Ok, I've finally stopped laughing at your ridiculous strawmen arguments. Let's answer. Oh, yeah, BTW, by the time I'm done, you'll wish you'd never written your post.
No, I stand by what I've written (maybe not in such an inflammatory manner, though). My post was a response to your message as well as a large number of other posts I saw that expressed similar feelings.
I challenge you to find in any post I've *ever* posted ever a condemnation of drug usage, and support of persecution of drug users. Anywhere. Words that either literally say that, or from which it logically follows (BTW, I've studied logic at a graduate level, so don't try to pull a fast one). Again, I challenge you to find some place where I've ever said that drug users are not victimized by the authorities.
I'm not arguing with your personal beliefs specifically, I'm defending this article and your attempt to discredit it and/or get it modded down into oblivion. The author has raised a very real, and very signifigant issue that many people are loathe to discuss, and I saw a heavily mounting opinion against it, which I cannot, in good conscience, allow to go unrebuked.
Eh, as several pointed out, a good number of states have
As I have pointed out, where there are anti-sodomy laws, they are seldom, if ever, enforced, and enforcing them would only result in mass media coverage and large lawsuits against those trying to do the arresting. Homosexuality is currently protected by media (as well as a variety of anti-discrimination laws), and thus, general public opinion that discrimination is wrong, however drug users are afforded no such protections. Public brutality of homosexuals, homophobia, and related discrimination are very real issues, worth discussing, but that does not mean that drug use isn't, or that one is necessarily more important and deserves more attention than another. Both are unconstitutional, that is enough.
If you're a drug user, you risk violence mostly from the authorities. If
you're homosexual, your risk violence both from most people in our
society and the authorities. Homosexuals get verbally and physically
attacked just for being who they are. And the cops are particularly
nasty towards homosexuals.
Just because homosexuals have it worse than drug users, that does not mean that no attention should be directed to the fact that drug users are being discriminated against and abused as well. They are both legitimate concerns. I'm sure that the cops are very nasty to "those goddamn druggies" as well as "those goddamn homos." Neither should be happening to begin with. The problem this author has is that many minority activist groups care only for their own members, and fail to acknowledge the more base issue that NO ONE should be having their rights taken away to begin with. In this respect, the discrimination casual drug users get is very similar to what homosexuals have to/had to endure at various points. They are being denied a basic right -- the right to do with their body as they please. Maybe you can't help being homosexual, but it is a choice to act on it and commit sodomy. Maybe you enjoy doing a specific drug. Well, you can't help your tastes. Some people like sports, some people like coffee, some people like drugs. All three offer some sort of stimulation. And I think it's generally agreeable that what someone enjoys varies widely from person to person. So it's arguable that you can't help that you like a drug. It's still a choice to act on it. There are people that behave responsibly and irresponsibly in both groups. Neither should have to choose between what they like and the possibility of being thrown in jail.
And how do you think homosexuals are treated in prisons, both by
the inmates and the guards, compared to heterosexuals?
From what I hear, everyone gets treated pretty harshly no matter what you are, and that a large portion of prison members have "homosexual relations" to begin with because of the obvious absence of the opposite gender. I think it would be best to try and keep people out of prison to begin with, which is my goal here.
I recommend you make a side-by-side comparison of both religious
anti-gay and anti-drug propaganda. How many times have you heard
drug users called the spawn of satan?
Again, because one may occur more frequently than the other, it doesn't make it any less wrong, nor does it doesn't make right to favour one group's dilemma over another. Nor does it mean the other never happened. Many believe drugs were created by the devil himself, or so I've heard.
Get a grip. Drug usage is widespread among all social classes in the
US. The rich and famous take a lot of cocaine, with very little stigma
to it. In high school and college, a sizeable portion of students, if not
most, see pot smoking as completely normal. The junkie segment is a
fairly small segment of the drug using public.
So explain to me why it's still illegal. I think all that anyone wants here is just to be able to do what you choose in peace. They don't want special priveledges, government money, or anything else. Just basic freedom to do with their body as they choose.
What the fuck do you know about me, anyway? I am a nick and text
to you. Whatever experience I relate to you could be completely
ficticious, for that matter. All you see me writing here could as well
be an experiment in character development, for what you know.
Then, by all means, tell me honestly you've used them and prove my hypothesis wrong. I once held your opinion. Today I don't. There is a reason for that. And it was just as hard for me to accept as I'm sure it is for most people. I am speaking from experience. While you may be only a study in character, and your experience purely fictional, mine is very real, and I am a very real person affected by very real issues.
In any case, yes, sexuality is central to everybody's life, in some
way or another. Drugs aren't-- plenty of people don't use them. And
most drug users don't go with your "SPIRITUAL and RELIGIOUS
experience" thing-- for most people, drugs just are a high.
Then punish the ones that abuse it, and let people who don't do what they like. There is no reason anyone whom this does mean that much to has to miss out because others can [and will] behave irresponsibly.
You are a functionally illiterate pamphlet-wielding propaganda idiot.
You have difficulty distinguishing what people actually say from the
attitudes, fears and beliefs that your petty self-centered egocentric
ass projects on them. Your post says far much more about you than
it does about me.
I apologize for the inflammatory nature and admit that I got overly worked up and could have responded in a more objective manner. This is an important issue to me. You also made me mad, which is something that very, very rarely happens to me, and is rather intoxicating when it happens, and so I tend to get over zealous. I would say that it was your article in combination with the other overwhelmingly negative comments and dismissive comments that I read that got me so worked up.
You also obviously don't know shit about what homosexuals have to
endure. And, you're a self-important spoiled brat that thinks that he
and his problems are the center of the universe, and that to point
out that other people suffer from much graver problems is to deny
that *your* problem exists.
First of all, I am female, not male. As a female, a [misunderstood] artist, as someone who has been abused, as someone who has suffered stereotypes, as someone who has been accused of being a devil-worshipper, as someone who lives in a very conservative part of the continent where my type is generally not welcome, as someone with very controversial views, as someone who likes to do things outside the orthodox way sometimes, I have had to endure plenty. And I can greatly sympathize with the things that homosexuals surely have to endure. Please do not make assumptions about me in the same post where you blast me for doing just that about you. I became upset with the responses to this article because it seemed to me that you and other people are willing to just ignore the things that casual drug users have to endure because a few people make bad choices -- just like a few homosexuals who had indiscriminate unprotected sex at some point in the past have given alot of them a bad reputation, in regards to AIDs, etc.
to say that they feel they are "every bit as
much a victim" as the people they killed.
I'm not killing anyone, nor would I ever, and I never stated that I wished anyone harm. In fact, all my opinions express just the opposite.
This article is a mild case of that; homosexuals very simply have to
undergo much more problems than drug users, but, oh, no, "I'm a
stoner, I'm oppressed, I suffer every bit just as much as gays do".
I'm not sure the author of this article wants anyone to feel sorry for him. I, as a general rule, don't approve of these groups that seem to only want pity. I think he wants casual drug users to be acknowledged as a legitimate minority with rights, so that actions can be taken to move towards legalization. I do think he could have been more clear about his desires and goals in the article, but I don't think that takes any weight from the points I have raised.
This post was probably not written by the real Jin Wicked. Please see user "butter pie" for Jin's actual posts.
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