Okay; I understand. Right. By system, I refer to the way we live; I don't mean conspiracy. When I say, "the system", I mean to include all of our collective cultures, governments (just a small part), pragmatics, histories, pretty much everything. I don't mean a particular government agency, or something like that. I can understand how you misunderstood, and the miscommunication is quite fair.
We both agree on desire for a meritocracy; That what we put in to life is roughly what we get out of it.
I agree with you that all races are more or less equally guilty of racism. Actually, that probably doesn't affect races that have cooperated and never had any problems with one another; I can't name any, but I can imagine that there have existed different cultures that have gotten along well with one another in the past. I don't know, maybe some island cultures or nomadic tribes in the past; Something. But this is going too far into a technical detail; I agree with the general thrust of your statement. There are racist black people just as there are racist white people. Whenever there is an oppression, some irrational anger tends to rage up on both sides, both on the oppressing side and the oppressed side. It is, largely, unproductive on both sides, though the oppressed bear the bulk of the weight of the oppression. (Most likely but possibly not quite- I don't know how the meters of karma keeps score.)
I have only once been discriminated against because of my race; When I went to school at E.A. Hall in Watsonville, 6th grade, the vast majority of the school was Latino. I was thrown into walls, lockers, door frames, had my things stolen, been peed on (P.E. showers) all sorts of things. I tried to make some friends, but no one really wanted to associate with me. This went on during the whole school year, after which I was transferred by my parents to another school for 7th grade. I only have a few vague memories of the school.
I don't think that black people are claiming to be born inferior, unless you mean economically inferior (having less money, rather than more), or socially inferior (viewed with suspicion or contempt, rather than trust or praise). I do think that otherwise perfectly willing and intelligent and capable black people (or, insert otherwise oppressed ethnicity here) have a greater challenge in breaking from their peers. I forget the title of the book, but it describes how black youth who persue good grades and study and try to do these things are frequently alienated by their peers- sort of a "Hey? Why are you trying to be so white?", and have to make a decision between their individual dreams, and their friends. When I was in high school, I never had to make such a decision; there was a plentiful nerd community. Then again, there also weren't any black students. But there was a substantial (50%, if I recall correctly) latino population, and none of them had joined our nerd group. I suspect the dynamic is similar.
I think that affirmative action will help some of these "rift" people, choosing between their grades and their friends, get into college.
Now, that's just my off the cuff observation. As for real statistical data; I'd look at the body of work on affirmative action, their arguments, their data. I'm not so familiar with it, but I have seen enough data to convince me that affirmative action works, and has been working, for some time. By working, I mean improving the living conditions and social standing of black people (and other minorities) in the United States.
I'd like to apologize to you, as well. Please sleep well, whether you agree with what I have said or not. If you like, you can email me (firstname.lastname@example.org), which has a little less pressure than the public K5 forums. I have REALLY appreciated your reply, and it was quite fair, in all senses of the word.
Please take care.
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