And denying the use of such makes an equal set of claims which I must add are much, much, much less supported than you would mostlikely admit.
The phrase "Under God", in the contect of the Pledge of Allegiance, makes several theological claims.
And people who are not includeing it want to feel that there isn't.
It claims that there is a god.
It suggests that there is either only one god,
Uhhhh skippy I don't think you realize that the whole pagans had a chance thing really fucking died out when christianity kicked everyone's asses back in the day.
This is self evident except to people whose parents were just beer swilling, trailer park individuals.
Again this is even more self evident. Even most archaic polytheistic religions don't have a problem of looking for a god who is of prime importance.
that there is one god of primary importance,
or that there is one god with a special relationship to the US.
You must be totally 100% stupid.
That is most certainly not a theological claim in the slightest. No real church really makes this absolute doctrine it's more of a statement of how we apply the thinking of how god operates into what we think we should do as part of the organization that has this certain type of thinking.
To put this another way it's just applying a certain type of philosophy.
National pride has nothing to do with theology.
In fact national pride is only connected with theology due to it's intersection with the lives of it's practioners.
It claims that the US is under this god.
That is the single most naive statement that you have yet provided.
Frankly I feel that you are most likely trying to make some kind of a joke.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you took that whole "..the unexamined life is not worth living" things a bit too far in this case.
In context, being underneath this god can only be construed to mean that this god is generally good,
I am suspecting that you are stuck into some kind of infinite loop. As a CS student I feel that this needs debugging now, schnell, schnell!
Pretending that God isn't good is just another act of stupidity that just screams "I'm disbelieving this for the benefit of looking smart"
Even if god were absolutely Hitleran who he is AGAINST is much, much, much worse. The Devil is absolutely 10,000x worse than that. So I guess you could say that the Pope is evil say compared to Tony Soprano by virtue of the fact that he will die and end up missing chances to help people.
Oh and by the way Satanist arguments don't work so try some real arguing to get around this one.
For an example two moronic examples of this type of misguided philosophy were the Cathars and the Lucifereans.
The Lucifereans figured that since imperfection existed that Satan created the world.
Completely mornic, and disproven by many thinkers since.
Then we have the Cathars, nice bunch and more or less believed that all material essence was sinful.
Their most wacky and completely wrong theory was that they needed to give some sort of dieing prayer was necessary to give the dieing just before they die.
The problem was that they tended to miscalculate and then they would have to force the people to commit suicide, or get murdered.
But I digress, onto making good arguments.
and that either he is favorably inclined towards the US,
We're making all the right calls, I can't see why not.
Of course this isn't part of doctrine per se so I have to call foul about this being part of standard Protestant theology.
I doubt you can.
or that the proper place of the US is to be subservient to said god.
Well I guess if your sense of dealing with challenging philosophical, psychological, physical, and mathmetical problems is to simply deal with them by challenging basic human ways of thinking I feel sorry for you.
You're great uncle Horace says that all you have to do to get 100 billion dollars is just straighten up and fly right and you get the money.
You are seriously the kind of guy who would challenge the deseriability of such an arrangement.
How is being privy to happiness for the small price of abstaining from self destructive behaviour a problem?
I mean come on even if you're some stupid homo reigning in all that gayness to have much more happiness forever is worth it right?
If you answer no to any of these statemnets you need to have your head checked.
Commander Checkov we have klingons surrounding us, what shall we do?
Something tells me that you are a fool who likes to question everything.
It also means that you probably feel that master thieves break into your house and steal everything and replace it all with identical stuff, have hysterical fits about the nature of gravity, and generally believe that Elvis is still alive.
Many people may be blind to the fact that these definite theological claims are inherent in the current pledge.
And many people things your fears are groundless and complaints moronic.
Frankly you are thinking in an algorithmic way. This is over common in CS and programming. Honestly I can understand I wasted a great deal of time doing pointless excercises like this with professors who extorted money from me and left me with a "portfolio" [if you can call it that] of projects that would make all but the stupidest people laugh.
However philosophical and more "esoteric" ways of thinking aren't like this.
These aren't claims, they are just retarded little nits that most people have not bothered becuase they don't worry about linguistics they way you seem to think that they do.
I also label you one of those people who feel they have no need for religion most likely because you like your little toys and wads of cash here and now and can't bear to part with them.
Maybe you don't live in a world in which rural Nepalese villagers have better living arrangements and entertainment choices than you but you should look at this. (PBS Frontline World presentation showing villagers getting more channels than I have even heared of, etc)
Maybe most people "haven't heard" of these claims or "don't think" about them is because they are just retarded things that most people don't think of.
It seems that just because people agree with these claims,
they are unable to see that the claims are, indeed, there.
And you think and write so much like a programmer/science major it hurts. Maybe you don't notice that?
Why do I harp on this? Because many of these people save some nobel laureats act like retarded Pee Wee's Playhouse cast members.
Physical reality isn't all that there is.
Science still has much to find and reccord.
We can only study what is in the physical universe and that we havn't missed (we missed a fucking "extinct" fish the Cealocanth(sp) a while back so anything in space and especially outside the universe is fair game).
You don't argue anything cogently.
You don't argue formally.
You are recycling arguments.
What's the difference between someone like Hume, Swinburne, Hicks, Wittgenstein, etc?
They can write about minutea.
You write from something that comes across as "gut level feelings" and what is "observable", frankly I read science papers/theses and you don't even approach that.
All the "intellectual" arguments against God sound like moronic appeals to some supposed obvious things.
This will not due.
I have, you suck. I can't get better than this.
Open your eyes, people.
It shouldn't matter whether most Americans agree with these claims, or indeed whether none or all Americans do.
Yes it fucking should.
I think I and most of the American people really hate a vocal minority trying to change the social fabric of our nation.
And you know what they have a point.
Most people aren't wealthy enough to create heaven on earth.
Most people aren't anti-religious bigots.
In the past whole eras which were colored by these idiots were not the majority or spoke for even half of all people.
The "communist" revolution in Russia in 1917 was a shitty little sham which was forced on a good 90% of people who didn't want that kind of totalitarianism.
The whole decade of the 60's was dominated by loud, retarded drug addled "revolutionaries" [look I can smoke pot and chant slogans incoherently at the same time dood!!] who were in the smallest minorities (like say less than 2% of all Americans)
This guy is the same kind of retard.
Our nation may be religious, but our government is secular, and it should not have any position on theology.
Secularity does not preclude being unfree to express a religious opinion
If you doubt this a more educated scholar than I can asist you if you can stop hitting the bong and programming, or posting to k5
"Over the Wall" by Fran Galuzzia
Should be found on bn.com or amazon
Basically the problem is that the supreme court is extremely fickle about how to define that "Wall of seperation" that we think we have and exactly what is against the wording of the first ammendment.
Religious opinion is still speech.
It should not have a position on the existence of god, nor on the proper relationship between god and man, nor between god and our specific nation/government.
In short anything but the most stolid de-culturation of the United States and it's right to religion is unacceptable huh?
Frankly I say fuck you.
Of course maybe you really wouldn't want that. Frankly you try and get people to admire how much they are screwed and you're going to get more unrest than the country of Afghanistan had since about '79.
I assume that this is you eh? Maybe a little artwork would be in order?
Arrr, it be the infamous pirate, No Beard Pete!
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