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Howto: Jack Shit And Sinsemilla

By mybostinks in Culture
Wed Jul 12, 2006 at 12:00:00 PM EST
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"It looks kinda shitty." Dodger says, with a stupid grin.
"Yeah? well look what I had to work with you dip shit...."
"I carved it with a chain saw for cryin' out loud."

If you are hiking in a certain state forest, in far Northeastern Washington state, not far from the Canadian border to the North and the Idaho border to the East, you might come across a statue.

The statue is in a hidden ravine, on a northern slope, deep within a small cedar grove where no sunlight reaches it. It is 4 feet high and 12 inches deep. It's a statue of a cannabis leaf node. The leaf is carved out of an ancient Western Red Cedar stump. The tree was killed and harvested (all but the stump) after the 1910 forest fire that occurred in the forest. It must have been a patriarch too. Counting the rings of the tree indicated it was ancient, at least 700 years old. You could see ax marks where some logger 60 years earlier had cut the patriarch down.

It was a monument to the first year anyone in North America successfully grew sinsemilla outdoors.

This is how we did it.

What is sinsemilla?
"If you have to ask..."
"She is one horny lady that will mess you up"

Building a cabin, a hydraulic ram pump and growing sinsemilla have been my favorite personal achievements. A few years later, growing sinsemilla indoors was all the rage in Western Washington and Northern California. But in 1971, me and two other associates, grew cannabis sativa that people now call Hash Plant and we grew it outdoors. Many people now grow it indoors and that's no big deal. There are plenty of articles on how to do that. But the best stuff is grown outside in the Mother Primeval. You don't believe that? Then go ask the Mexicans. Yeah...and we were the first in North America to grow sinsemilla outdoors.

For those that don't know, don't care or are curious, sinsemilla is Spanish for "without seed". Cannabis sativa grown so that it bears no fruit is the most potent cannabis there is. You know it is the real stuff if you roll an average doobie and can only smoke half of it. If you can smoke a whole joint of this stuff, you got burned and you ain't smoking sinsemilla.

Introduction: How to start
I see Dodger is walking up the logging road. In his grip is a leather bag, holding what I hope are hundreds of little jewels.
"Where'd you get 'em? You didn't try to smoke half of 'em did ya?...Geez, you're fucked up. Is it good stuff gawd dammit?"

The first time you try this you need to start a year in advance. Like all farmers on earth, this means getting good seed. The best seed you can find, steal or beg. The seed needs to be planted the February before planting them in your garden spot. Sinsemilla needs more than six months to grow, preferably nine months. Finally, you must do one other very important thing. KEEP YOUR FUCKING MOUTH SHUT ABOUT IT.

That's right you heard it, STFU. If you don't listen to me and you grow sinsemilla, then you will end up in jail. There are no looser lips than that of a stoner. It was true then and it is true now. If you have partners (and you will need them), you have to swear on your mother's grave (even if she is still alive) that the only people who know about your farm and it's location are you and your partners. It must remain a mystery to EVERYONE ELSE. This especially includes significant others. Otherwise, the fruits of your labor will be an ass-puckering in a state or federal penitentiary.

If you decide to do this, despite all the risks along the way including getting busted, keep a journal of everything you do no matter how trivial. A year later you won't be able to repeat your steps or make corrections. All good farmers do this, you should too. The journal can be simple; record the date, time, actions taken and observations made. The next year you will be glad you kept records.

Since this first part is the only time in the cycle you have the plants indoors, you need to baby them along. It's OK if they grow slow. They will burst with growing the first safe days in Spring once planted outdoors. For this part you need indoor growing lights, flats with good, rich soil and don't let them get dry. Most people fail here, they get too messed up the next few months and half the crop goes. So germinate and plant about 100 seeds.

Obviously, a garden spot needs to be selected. It needs to be open to the sun and have water close by or plenty of rainfall. The soil must be tillable too. If it is clay or caliche you will either drown or poison your crop. At any rate, get the soil tilled up to around 6-12 inches deep. Give the garden spot a good soaking of water and you are almost ready to start. There is one more critical step to perform first though.

Jack Shit: the magic ingredient
"It makes great garden soil. Take as much as you like. I haven't cleaned that jack pen in twenty fucking years."
Felonious Frank was staring at us like we were nuts.
Frank had four jack mules in his jack pen. Grok and I stared at each other in amazement. "You don't know jack shit." Grok blurted out while we set forth digging for gold. Felonious goes back to sawing timber in his sawmill...

This is your magic ingredient, mule manure. Putting mule/donkey/horse manure in your sweet garden will produce the hottest, horniest mother-blasting sinsemilla you will ever smoke or eat. The key is that it cannot be fresh manure. Aged, ripe and compacted manure is the ultimate. Mexicans don't use mules much, but they do have a lot of donkeys and they know what they are doing.

For most of you, this is going to be hard to find. It's not very common to find completely aged mule manure. Why? Because most people keep equine stalls clean. What you should do is find a ranch that has corrals of horses. We had around a quarter of an acre of rich bottom land soil, so we used about 8 pick-up truck loads brimming with jack shit.

The rest is easy once you have located enough manure. Dump the manure in your garden spot and spread it out evenly and when you are finished, till that into moist but not muddy soil. You should now have a decent garden that will grow your beauties. All that's left is to make sure it gets enough water and to keep various varmints out at various times. The first attacks will be from squirrels, mice and rabbits going after the young plants. Later it will be the deer.

The Long Wait: The Most Critical Part
"OK...every fourth night each of us have to sleep down at the garden, who's gonna go first"

We did a lot of work and planning, so far everything was done right. We took all our young plants (about two feet tall) and planted them one night. We wanted bushy plants and not tall ones, so we planted them about 3 feet apart on all sides. It took us hour but the effort was worth it. We had just over 100 plants and when we were finished it was a beautiful garden. Now the pampering started. The next morning we walked over to the garden spot and then we were shocked.

Approaching the garden we were stunned that every damn one of the plants had been topped off.

"Geezus Christ! Look at our poor babies!", one of us screamed. Upon inspection, we finally determined that there was at least one mildly stoned deer out there somewhere. It had come some time in the night, after we left and "topped" all our plants. Fortunately, that is not a disaster for us. We quickly set to work building a rugged fence around our garden.

The lesson here is; before you plant anything build a fence around it to keep out the deer, goats and other cloven-hoof animals.

Now having done all this there is a long wait the next couple of months. However, going to sleep at this point will produce just normal stuff at best. From this point on you must watch every plant every day. Normally, you would not do this. But what you are needing to do at this point is to watch for male plants. The minute you find one, you pull it up and grind it up and do something appropriate with it. An illustration of a male flower can be found here. Remember, castrate these guys.

The Harvest
"OK, tonight as soon as it gets dark"
We have stoked up the wood stove in the 10X10 foot sauna cabin, in preparation for this night. We have the drying rafters ready.

Eventually, you will come to the night of nights, the evening you have been planning for. This is the night you harvest and dry your plants. For us, it was the end of September. Our plan was this; harvest, dry, strip, grade and package the product.

To do this we had a drying house that most of the year served as a sauna for us. Tonight it was used to quick dry the sinsemilla. As we kept the fire stoked in the stove, we noticed it took a couple of hours for the first group of plants to become crispy dry. We then took each plant and began stripping each one by hand.

For our purposes, the "packaging" consisted of a number of 1 gallon cleaned and sterilized pickle jars and a ceramic bowl. The ceramic bowl was covered with a stretched panty hose.

First with shears, we cut off the flowering buds. Those little, lush, resinous, dripping flowers. We placed them in a jar. Next we stripped off the smallest leaf nodes and placed them in another jar. Then we stripped the rest of the leaf nodes and placed them in yet another jar. We had 3 grades of product.

In the course of manually stripping the plants our fingertips became encrusted with resinous greenish powder; we called it "finger hash". We then rubbed our fingers on the panty hose stretched over the bowl. Then after we each had stripped two plants we had enough for a pipe full. We took a brief break to try our summer harvest for the first time. It was almost a mistake. We got blasted into outer space for about 45 minutes. It was intense to say the least. We decided that this would be our private stash for special occasions. We did not realize how potent sinsemilla can be.

We carry on with this until the early morning hours; stripping and packing dried sinsemilla.

The Next Season
"Gawd damn that plant is a beauty to look at! Are you sure we gotta do this? Let's just smoke it."...
We stand there admiring the mother of all future generations. Like an easy woman on a Saturday night, she was hot, sexy and oozing juices....

This is another very important step. Failure to accomplish this step means that you have to start all over again next year. For some growers that might not be a problem. However, following this step means you will start genetically producing a superior breed of sinsemilla. This is done subjectively though. During the season while you are topping off the plants to make them branch out, separate your cuttings. Obviously you are going to be testing these. So as you do make note of the plant(s) that are the most potent. Keep this in a notebook. In fact, during this complete process you should document everything that you do, especially if you are planning on being a serious producer.

We left one plant standing from which to take cuttings from. There are a number of ways to do this, air layering or cuttings. We tried both ways and the most successful was air layering. Cuttings work as well. What you will need to do is to take cuttings from cuttings until February. Each time you make a cutting, especially if they are air layered cuttings, root them in a small terracotta pot and keep them watered. In February, you can pot them in little flats and start the process all over. No more cuttings need to be made until the end of the next harvest.

I may have left something out but nothing that is key to growing sinsemilla. I have reconstructed it from notes I made during that time. After 1972, I never grew it again or even had the desire to.

I would not recommend growing sinsemilla outside these days. Lots of people get busted growing it. It is not because the narco squad is so vigilant but because growers tell/brag to someone and that person tells someone etc. YOU WILL GET BUSTED. You have been warned.

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Howto: Jack Shit And Sinsemilla | 76 comments (66 topical, 10 editorial, 2 hidden)
Please read (3.00 / 7) (#1)
by mybostinks on Wed Jul 12, 2006 at 11:47:44 PM EST

I posted this to the edit queue a few days back, I read through it and decided that it needed extra material added. So I pulled the article from the edit queue. Also, I fixed some glaring errors but there may be a few left, I hope not.

Also, some of you will recognize the author. I am posting this under a dupe account for obvious reasons.

lol rusty ? (none / 0) (#64)
by newb4b0 on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 01:56:36 AM EST

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[ Parent ]

Definitely not rusty /nt (none / 0) (#70)
by mybostinks on Mon Jul 17, 2006 at 09:41:42 AM EST

[ Parent ]
the "good ole days"...great story.. (2.50 / 6) (#3)
by dakini on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 12:38:18 AM EST

" May your vision be clear, your heart strong, and may you always follow your dreams."
I'm With Nancy Reagan (2.33 / 6) (#8)
by Egil Skallagrimson on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:53:02 PM EST

Drugs are for losers. Except for booze. That's for cool guys.


Enterobacteria phage T2 is a virulent bacteriophage of the T4-like viruses genus, in the family Myoviridae. It infects E. coli and is the best known of the T-even phages. Its virion contains linear double-stranded DNA, terminally redundant and circularly permuted.

But (3.00 / 2) (#13)
by trane on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 07:53:07 PM EST

should losers be put in jail?

[ Parent ]
No. Why put people in jail for getting high? (3.00 / 6) (#25)
by Egil Skallagrimson on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 06:26:31 AM EST

They should legalize everything and then no one would care.


Enterobacteria phage T2 is a virulent bacteriophage of the T4-like viruses genus, in the family Myoviridae. It infects E. coli and is the best known of the T-even phages. Its virion contains linear double-stranded DNA, terminally redundant and circularly permuted.
[ Parent ]

no need (3.00 / 5) (#31)
by Zombie Stanislaw Lem on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 11:59:32 AM EST

losers build their own prisons, decked out in finery and identified as "freedom."

From an undead loser to the living, I can only recommend that you loose as many chains, lose as many fetters, and trapments as you can.

Drugs will not free you, but you can learn from all experiences- even stoned ones. What you learn, may lead you from failing to succeeding, or even from succeeding back to failing.

[note, any moderation or posts made on or after 01/04/2007 were probably made by the jerk/s who stole my account after I left.]
[ Parent ]

Excellent story. That was a great experience (2.85 / 7) (#10)
by Sandwormrum on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 03:35:50 PM EST

you had. I had a friend once that grew the "weed" on his farm with his crops, but he was caught, and like you stated, you cannot brag or tell anyone else about it like he did. I will +FP this one.
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herbivore repellant (2.66 / 3) (#11)
by Saber RICO on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 05:24:52 PM EST

I read once in a scifi that a non-vegetarian can urinate around the garden to warn off herbivores. I don't know if this is true.

w.r.t. all the diaries about work drug tests, I heard from a stoner friend that you can test yourself with a kit from Walgreens to see if you're clear. Makes sense altho I wouldn't know if the tested levels are the same.
We often wondered about.... (2.66 / 3) (#12)
by mybostinks on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 05:59:00 PM EST

that but we never took the chance of only using that method. Maybe someone knows for sure.

[ Parent ]
I'm not going to comment on this story (2.75 / 4) (#14)
by trane on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 07:54:25 PM EST

'nuff said.

Maybe you can't smoke a joint of it (2.80 / 5) (#15)
by LilDebbie on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 09:36:21 PM EST

Of course, the last time I took down a joint on my own of seriously high quality stuff, I got so pale my mom thought I was dying.

Keep up the innovative spirit of the black market!

P.S. From roughly how far away could you smell the garden?

My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
- hugin -

Actually, (2.75 / 4) (#16)
by mybostinks on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 09:50:45 PM EST

If you have AGED manure like we had and could get our hands on, there was very little smell and after the first month there was no smell at all. Remember, the jack shit we used was very aged so it was almost perfect stuff coz we didn't burn up the plants.

It was quite mellow.......

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I wasn't talking about the shit smell... $ (3.00 / 4) (#17)
by LilDebbie on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 09:56:09 PM EST

My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
- hugin -

[ Parent ]
OH OK, (2.88 / 9) (#18)
by mybostinks on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 10:03:04 PM EST

In August, you could smell the resin of the flowering buds that were starting to get large at that point, before you saw the garden, maybe 10 yards away from it.

However, in the evenings as the breezes started coming down the hillsides because the air was cooling off, if you were downwind, maybe 20 or 30 yards from the garden.

Sometimes on really hot days it was difficult to smell anything but Ponderosa Pines because we were in the middle of a Pine, Douglas Fir and Larch forest. The resin from the Ponderosa Pines overpowered nearly everything else.

[ Parent ]

Great Story. +1FP from me. (3.00 / 2) (#20)
by free2delude on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 11:58:29 PM EST

$$Any fool can criticize, condemn, complain. And most do.$$
Wonderful story, I can even smell the mule shit! (3.00 / 3) (#22)
by miznorthernlites on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 01:25:32 AM EST

+FP from me as it is very well done and brings back some memeories!

Nice. (3.00 / 3) (#24)
by creature on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 04:34:16 AM EST

A couple of grammar errors but still an engaging read. +1FP from me.

Thanks... (none / 1) (#26)
by mybostinks on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 09:12:18 AM EST

well I tried to clean it up as best I could. A couple musta slipped by me. Point them out and maybe I can get an admin to fix them if it posts to SP or FP.

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OK. (2.25 / 4) (#28)
by creature on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 09:49:35 AM EST

Please remember I'm a pedant. I hate being this picky, really.

First up, you over-use commas. I would change:
If you are hiking in a certain state forest, in far Northeastern Washington state, not far from the Canadian border to the North and the Idaho border to the East, you might come across a statue.

If you are hiking in a certain state forest in far Northeastern Washington state, you might come across a statue not far from the Canadian border to the North and the Idaho border to the East.

There are others like this where the the comma disrupts the sentence flow. Read it aloud and take a big pause whenever you hit a semicolon. If your delivery sounds stunted, drop the comma. There's also a couple of places where you want a colon and have used a semicolon.

I can't find / can't recall the bit that irked me the most, but I think it could have been this:
For those that don't know, don't care or are curious, sinsemilla is Spanish for "without seed".

If I don't care, why are you telling me?

[ Parent ]

Thanks, I appreciate it.... (none / 1) (#29)
by mybostinks on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 09:57:25 AM EST

I believe you are correct. If this posts I will try to get the admin to make the changes you suggested. Doing so would improve the story.

thanks again!

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Living free off the land, a thing of the past. (3.00 / 2) (#30)
by UniverseCloud on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 11:34:20 AM EST

A very good account. +FP for this.
.. Albert Einstein: "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, ...
Creepy! (3.00 / 2) (#32)
by Smothie on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 12:35:14 PM EST

I've been sober for almost 20 years, and this made me, just for a second, long for the days that I used to get good indica bud. :-)

Do your techniques work as well for Indica? Is Indica actually a seperate strain, or different species?


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It should... (3.00 / 3) (#33)
by mybostinks on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 01:18:14 PM EST

I see no reason why it wouldn't. The key is to create a female that never gets fertilized/pollinated, i.e. no seeds, hence sinsemilla. We never tried it on indica. In fact, I did this for only two growing seasons, then I left the Going-back-to-the-land movement, it was way too much work for me. I then spread the word as much as possible by mouth on how to grow sinsemilla outdoors. It spread in a year or two throughout Oregon, Washington and Northern Calif.

Eventually, I became a programmer analyst after college. I remember the exact day I quit smoking pot, almost 25 years ago.

[ Parent ]

This makes me wonder (none / 1) (#35)
by Smothie on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 02:11:56 PM EST

If this, or a simmilar technique is used for all the pictures we see in High Times.


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[ Parent ]
What I grew was similar.... (none / 1) (#36)
by mybostinks on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 02:52:11 PM EST

to this photograph but not quite as long.

Although, I have not read a High Times in almost 30 years, if their photos are like that one or a group of horny "ladies" then that is what you are seeing. I do know this, when High Times first came out, they did not have any pictures of sinsemilla from what I remember.

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It will (2.25 / 4) (#55)
by SlashDread on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 06:01:27 AM EST

Good story, but vague on the importance of seeds.
Seeds are -the- most contributing factor of your yield.
Roughly, two main species of cannabis are distinguished, indica's and sativa's.
Indica are generally well adapted to northen areas, where sativa's come from tropical areas.
This is important. It determines lots of grow aspects, not the least the starting point of blooming, and how long it will bloom.
If you live in Chicago, dont grow Sativa's outdoors. Tropical it aint in Chicago, and the plant needs long blooming times.
There are many many species nowadays however, and most of them are hybrids with Sativa and Indica properties.
The main effect differs too between sativas and indica's. The tropical stuff will get you more euforic or high, and the indica's will get you more erm, stoned and apathic. Indica's make great hash. Afghan, hmmm.
Your best strategy will be to find several commercial outdoor seeds for your climate type and latitude, perhaps even some known good local seeds, and label and sample them well the first year.

[ Parent ]
wooo hooo good stuff!! +FP (none / 0) (#34)
by Sandwormrum on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 02:09:35 PM EST

**Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.**
wooohooo reminds me of my old wine bottle!! (none / 0) (#37)
by oldwinebottle on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 04:35:41 PM EST

dude (3.00 / 6) (#38)
by phayd on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 04:52:16 PM EST

my ferret has cultivated various crops before, and has some tips:

Pests (like deer & rabbits) can be scared away from an area by convincing them that a large predator frequents the area.  You can buy cougar piss from hunting supply stores, or if you have a local zoo, they may have a program that sells the fecal matter of the big cats to the general public for scaring off deer from vegetable and flower gardens.

Slow curing of your harvest will greatly improve the final quality, as taking it slow allows chlorophyll to break down into simpler sugars, insuring a sweeter, smoother taste.  The best way to do this is by laying out the harvest (after trimming leaves or stems) on a mesh so that air can circulate around the harvest.  Do this in a cool, dark room.  My ferret does this about a day to two days.  Once a stem will snap (and not just bend), the harvest is placed into mason jars and the lids are affixed.

At first, you will want to open these jars every few hours, whenever you see condensation appearing on the glass of the jar.  Rotate everything in the jar so that it all gets an even drying.  My ferret likes to do this for a week.  He's an impatient sob, but he figured out that waiting really does make it more worthwhile.

Finally, all trim can be used to extract any vitamins, minor as they may be.  Solvents like acetone, ethyl alcohol, or ether are one way.  There also exists a somewhat more complicated way using ice-water and variously sized goretex bags to create bubble h4sh.  The ice water causes any trichomes or crystalline coatings on the trim to detach from the plant matter, and the goretex bags allow the trichomes to be separated from the plant matter.

Great tips... (3.00 / 2) (#39)
by mybostinks on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 05:31:59 PM EST

I am sure there are VERY sophisticated techniques of growing, harvesting, curing and packaging sinsemilla these days. We were unsophisticated in what we did I will admit.

Having said that, this was new ground in those days and beyond the two seasons that I was involved in it, I never tried it again and had no further interest in it.

I would be curious to know if there are still major producers in the US that grow sinsemilla outdoors. I do know that the techniques are much different than those that are grown indoors.

I hope that your ferret is careful as well as successful. grins

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Heh (3.00 / 2) (#40)
by Smothie on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 07:13:23 PM EST

Had another thought - have you cross posted this to smokedot? :-D


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question... (none / 0) (#41)
by mybostinks on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 07:23:46 PM EST

wtf is smokedot?

[ Parent ]
nevermind i just googled it /nt (none / 0) (#42)
by mybostinks on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 07:25:33 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Labor Intensive (3.00 / 3) (#43)
by asolipsist on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 09:09:29 PM EST

Winston: We grow copious amounts of ganja, yah. And you're carrying a wasted girl and a bag of fertilizer. You don't look like your average horti-fucking- culturalist! That's what I mean Willie.

So you grew these things indoors from seeds, loaded, hauled, and unloaded load upon load of mule shit, built a fence around a half acre, stayed out every 4th night to guard your crop and faced criminal charges if you were caught all for a bit of pot? (and then dried it too quickly lowering quality?)

This seems like an incredibly poor use of time (even for hippies), why not just throw a bunch of seeds in the forest and collect the next year, or just buy it from Mexico.

J: I've a strong suspicion we should have been rocket scientists, or Nobel Peace Prize winners or something.
Charles: Peace Prize? Ooh. Be lucky to find your penis for a piss, the amount you keep smoking.

Coz, we had to make a living... (3.00 / 3) (#46)
by mybostinks on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 12:07:47 AM EST

For the two years I lived there I had no income except selling the best pot money could buy, working in sawmills and logging (which I hated). We did not smoke all of it. We sold 99% of it in a prearranged deal for enough $$$$$s to live on during the winters.

[ Parent ]
Cute (none / 1) (#44)
by livus on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 09:22:07 PM EST

nice story, though I don't know why you thought you were the first.

I've heard many reports tothe contrary. In fact they even imported outdoor from the States to grown over here in the late 60s.

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In my research I found no references (none / 1) (#47)
by mybostinks on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 12:13:28 AM EST

to growing sinsemilla in North America earlier than 1974 or 1975. Yes, it has been grown in Mexico for a long time that is how I came to know about it. One of my associates had been to Oaxaca and discovered how it was grown.

Yes there are lots of references about it but it was not grown outdoors in North America until we first did it in 1971.

I could be wrong but I could not find any references earlier than 1974.

[ Parent ]

what "references"? Talk to some hippies. (3.00 / 2) (#53)
by livus on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 02:59:03 AM EST

If I understand you correctly Sensimilla is just the practice of growing unfertilised all-female patches, yes? Sticky bud. Which is what any commercial grower will do, and presumably any hobbyist with time on their hands and any sense would.

I checked wikipedia on the offchance that you were talking about something else, but it seems te same time honoured tradition is indeed what you're discussing here.

In NZ, indoor/hydroponic weed comes in later in our commercial Marijuana growing history than traditional outdoors styles.  Presumably you had outdoor commercial in the states in the 1960s, and you definately had outdoor homegrown. I find it hard to believe that your growing techniques were different to anyone elses given the amount of travelling and sharing that was going on -  I know some people who collected and exchanged seeds in every country they visited.

I can't help still wondering if you're talking about something else, though because it seems too odd that you could think this practice originated in the 70s. Marijuana is one of the oldest non-food crops in the world, with obvious sex differences. According to google, even your founding father George Washington said you have to keep em separated.

Is there a paricular hybrid variety also called senismilla or something?

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[ Parent ]

Lots of hemp was grown in the US (3.00 / 2) (#57)
by mybostinks on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 09:02:37 AM EST

before 1971. Washington separated the males from the females for entirely different reasons altogether. He certainly did not grow it to smoke it nor did he even know that one could get high on it. What early Americans smoked was tobacco not pot.

Sinsemilla had been grown in mexico for the specific purpose to get high. In 1969 and 1970 I remember purchasing it specifically, only rarely. In the US it was not easy to come by.

A sinsemilla flower is quite different in appearance than regular pot, even dried. Here one purchased only buds of it as opposed to "baggies" of it as it was normally sold.

In fact, sinsemilla was not at all common in the US until the early to mid-70s.

Dude, I have talked to some hippies (hell, I WAS one at that time) and one producer of sinsemilla recently. What prompted the article was the fact that either in the library, old High Times magazines and what I could find on the Internet confirmed what I have written.

Re-read my article, I did not state that we were the first to grow this, but we were the first to grow it in North America for the obvious purpose of getting high.

Mexico is NOT considered part of North America by most here. It is considered part of what is called Central America. The indiginous Mexicans have been growing it for a very long time.

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Hmmm (none / 1) (#61)
by livus on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 05:14:31 PM EST

Yes, I realise that George Washington was growing sensimilla for different purposes but if the practice was even common for non-high growers, and in countries like mexico, do you really think it died out altogether in the US until the tail end of the hippy era?

I'm unconvinced. The fact that you keep talking about buying your marijuana makes me think you quite frankly weren't in the best position to know.

I know what sensimilla looks like, man. I come from a region famous for production, and have had to look at a lot of product out of politeness (I don't even smoke anymore). I'm not accusing you of not knowing the difference, and I'm quite prepared to believe that you never saw anyone else growing it.

But like I said, nothing wrong with the article. An article doesn't have to be 100% believable in order to be interesting and entertaining.

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Well what we purchased before 1971... (none / 1) (#62)
by mybostinks on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 05:32:35 PM EST

was from Mexico. I doubt that anyone here in the US would dispute that. If it was grown for the purpose of getting high before then, it was and still is kept very private.

But I understand what you mean.

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Different reason? What then? (none / 0) (#66)
by ip4noman on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 05:09:05 AM EST

"Washington separated the males from the females for entirely different reasons altogether.
Different? And what reason was that?

Seems to me there is only one reason to separate males from females, and that is to make sure the female plants don't produce seeds, i.e., Washington was making high-potency seedless pot... outdoors.

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Early Americans grew hemp (3.00 / 2) (#67)
by mybostinks on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 06:46:26 AM EST

not pot for it's superior fiber producing abilities. They did this up until the hemp plant became illegal in the early part of the 20th century.

Separating the males from the females was reportedly done by George Washington in order to grow a tougher fiber by the males. This is documented in lots of places. Rope in early America was widely made from hemp (cannabis) plant. Later after the illegalization of hemp, Americans imported rope from Mexico. It was grown from an agave plant and is called sisal rope. Otherwise they imported hemp rope from the tropics, where hemp was legal to grow.

As appealing as the myth is that George Washington smoked dope growing hemp for rope was common amongst early American farmers and landowners. Unfortunately that was the reason George Washington grew it.

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It'd be nice to see a pic of that statue \\ (none / 1) (#45)
by rpresser on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 10:34:59 PM EST

"In terms of both hyperbolic overreaching and eventual wrongness, the Permanent [Republican] Majority has set a new, and truly difficult to beat, standard." --rusty
I would give my left nutt for a pix of it ... (3.00 / 4) (#48)
by mybostinks on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 12:19:46 AM EST

but I have not been to that area in over 30 years. I don't even know if it still exists or not. Anyone that is interested however, I can give almost exact directions on how to go there.

It is a state forest which means it is leased out for logging. The statue was in a cedar grove that had large Western Red Cedars. I would hope that it is still there. I have no idea if anyone has ever seen besides me and my former associates.

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POSTSCRIPT..... (3.00 / 5) (#49)
by mybostinks on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 01:08:53 AM EST

First, we did not smoke what we grew. 99% of what we grew was sold in a prearranged deal (dependant on its potency of course).

I have researched as much as I could and no one has claimed growing it any earlier than 1974 in an outdoor environment. It may have been grown earlier indoors but there is a BIG difference between stuff grown indoors and stuff grown outdoors, IMHO.

Native Indiginous Mexicans have grown it outdoors for who-knows-how-long.

I don't know if the statue still exists. I wish I knew and I have no idea since I have not been back there in over 30 years.

After the 1972 growing season I never grew it again. I had no desire to. I only passed the word along on how to grow it.

I haven't even touched pot in over 25 years. Those days are long past me.

I don't recommend this to ANYONE. The risks are too great at least until/if it becomes legal to grow it in the US.

interesting... (3.00 / 2) (#54)
by CAIMLAS on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 03:07:37 AM EST

I'm no horta-fucking-culturalist, but I found this very interesting. Not too fond of the ganja, but it's interesting to know where it came from.

All very interesting in an evolutionary sense, too. I wonder if the stuff that grows wild today is genetically weaker (but more potent) as a result of such efforts? It would make sense, even if the weakness is minor; the same thing has occured in other domesticated plants for eons.

Socialism and communism better explained by a psychologist than a political theorist.

A shit comment (1.50 / 2) (#56)
by SlashDread on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 06:07:33 AM EST

Most shit will do. Horse shit, donkey shit, stay away from human shit thou.
Guano is super shit.
The more shits you mix (but dont overshit it) the better the product will taste. Shit, irony.

Yes (2.00 / 7) (#58)
by trhurler on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 12:49:40 PM EST

It is an excellent idea to keep a detailed log of your felonious activities.

Or not. Maybe you should consider that there are much less risky ways to get high than to spend months writing down explicit details of your carrying out of an activity that is highly illegal. The three ways people normally get busted for doing illegal things are talking about it, writing it down, and just plain getting unlucky (rare.)

If you MUST write down stuff like this, at least do it in an electronic medium disconnected from any network and encrypted and disguised in such a way as to provide plausible deniability. If you don't know how to do that and can't be bothered to research it, you aren't smart enough to succeed. I have no personal ax to grind against weed growers, because I personally don't see why the stuff is illegal in the first place, but most people would rat you out even if they're smokers, just because that's the kind of people they are. Use some sense.

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->0 (none / 1) (#59)
by phayd on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 02:18:51 PM EST

over the top

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Moron $ (none / 0) (#60)
by trhurler on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 02:29:05 PM EST

'God dammit, your posts make me hard.' --LilDebbie

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Deer are much more problematic (none / 0) (#63)
by lukme on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 11:52:23 PM EST

The deer pens at PSU has a sign out stating that deer can clear a 20 foot fence (hence the reason why theirs are well over 20 feet), jump over a 40 foot ravine as well as accellerate to 40 miles per hour very quickly.

Unfortunately a fence only serves as a deterant. Thankfully for most deer, food is easier to get outside of the fence than inside.

It's awfully hard to fly with eagles when you're a turkey.
Excellent article. (3.00 / 2) (#65)
by xC0000005 on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 02:49:56 AM EST

Familiar writing style. I like it.

Voice of the Hive - Beekeeping and Bees for those who don't
Thanks bee man! I am still waiting (none / 1) (#68)
by mybostinks on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 06:48:47 AM EST

for another wonderful bee article. They are simply fantastic and always a pleasure to read.

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Diary updated. (none / 0) (#69)
by xC0000005 on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 08:28:43 PM EST

While I've never grown weed (and never actually wanted to), I still find this fascinating.

Voice of the Hive - Beekeeping and Bees for those who don't
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Object of derision.... (1.16 / 6) (#72)
by Marvaud on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 03:03:16 AM EST

Yeh, how to grow stuff that sends
some people off to the loony bin.
Just how cool do you think you are, huh?
It's nice for others to look down upon people while they're having a "bum trip" and say something like,
well you're just not "in the groove".

Wouldn't they be going (none / 1) (#73)
by GrandWazoo on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 07:55:11 AM EST

off to the looney bin anyway?

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Banal (1.20 / 5) (#74)
by Marvaud on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 10:26:10 AM EST


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