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Racism in Britain

By A Bore in Culture
Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 12:00:00 PM EST
Tags: big brother, indians, racists (all tags)

The current crisis de jour for the media set in Britain centres on the antics of a group of B-list celebrities willingly incarcerated in a CCTV'd complex, in the Channel 4 show Celebrity Big Brother. For those of you unfamiliar with the premise and infamy that has built up around the series, allow me to bring you up to speed.


Celebrity Big Brother is a reality TV show in which a group of handpicked celebrities are asked; and agree; to spend about a month in a purpose built 'house' in Borehamwood. During this time, they are ordered to perform various silly tasks to win luxuries, and these are usually geared towards minor humiliation or embarrassment. The celebrities are deliberately stressed by the withdrawal of luxuries such as cigarettes, by the close proximity to one another, and by each others irritating personal habits. Generally speaking Endemol (the production company) pick socially incompatible contestants so ratings-winning hilarity ensues, making everyone involved a nice profit. To continue winning ratings in an increasingly creaky format (it is now #7), Endemol have engaged in various morally murky and unedifying tactics to manipulate newspaper outrage and bring in watchers. In the last series, Michael Barrymore, a celebrity whose fall from grace was caused by the discovery of a drugged and viciously sodomised dead man in his swimming pool at one of his parties, entered the Big Brother house whilst in the middle of nervous breakdown. And duly went through it on national television. He cried about 6-10 times a day, for our entertainment.

This year, the media are up in arms because of the racist antics of three of the celebrity contestants: Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara, and Danielle Lloyd, in their dealings with another of the contestants, a prominent Bollywood actress called Shilpa Shetty. Jade Goody is the 'star' of a previous non-celebrity Big Brother series, made famous by her ignorance and stupidity. Jo O'Meara was a member of a band of child entertainers with delusions of adequacy. Danielle Lloyd is a softcore model slash footballer's girlfriend. What was initially presented as a clash of personalities has, as it is shown, quickly degenerated into a quasi-racist group bullying against the Indian, with discussions about how she shouldn't prepare their food because she was dirty, that she should "fuck off back to her home", that she ate with her hands, that she was so thin because she didn't cook her food properly, and so on ad nauseam. About 20,000 complaints have now been filed with the appropriate watchdog. Estimates differ since the website crashed.

This outrage comes at a convenient time for Endemol and Channel 4. Based on early ratings, this was the least successful Celebrity Big Brother of the lot. One of the fractious partnerships combusted early when both Danny Tourette and Leo Sayer left abruptly (Tourette had engaged in an adulterous affair with Sayer's wife, so their inclusion was a naked incitement to audience-grabbing fisticuffs.) As Private Eye pointed out, it was beaten in the ratings war by a riveting edition of Grow your own Veg: Potatoes on BBC2.

It is worth remembering that everything that is seen from the house has been edited together from hours of footage. The footage is spliced together and packaged live, so producers are fully aware of both ratings and media coverage as time passes. It is becoming increasingly obvious that there has been careful manipulation of footage to boil the pot just enough to gain coverage, but not enough to take the show off the air. An example of this is the explicit censorship of the nickname that the three have for Shetty; "Shilpa Poppadom"; which has been leaked today. Removing this from the footage has allowed Endemol and Channel 4 to spin the situation as a clash of well, class, or personality, or anything except for naked prejudice.

It is evident that Channel 4 and Endemol have played the media adroitly. When Shetty (who has a hot sister) was told to fuck off back to her home, the originator of that remark, Lloyd, was called into the 'diary room' (where the only interaction between the people in the house and the people behind the scenes takes place). The producers attempted to somewhat defuse the criticism, which as I write this is getting truly ridiculous, in perhaps the least effective manner possible, as if they were saying "keep on bitching about her, but tone down the racist angle slightly, yeah?" She was confronted by her statement and asked emotionlessly and colourlessly if she stood by it. No censure. No lecturing or warning about her behaviour. That was it. Of course, she pretended she didn't remember saying it, retracted it and promised to apologise to Shetty.

After playing the racism-for-ratings card, one wonders how Endemol can be any more downmarket, unless the next edition of CBB will include Gary Glitter, MJ, and St. Winifred's School Choir.

Anyway, moving on, the wasted pages of downmarket tabloids and the radio wave outrage ponder whether it is racism(?!), and if these 3 girls are indicative of current attitudes in Britain today. Let us examine this.

Consider the institutions of state in Britain. Consider the proportion of minority representation in parliament (2%) to the general population (7%). Consider Jack Straw's voyeuristic admission that he'd like to see under the veil of Muslim women attending his surgery for his help.

Consider Stephen Lawrence - a black youth who was killed by 5 noted local extremists, and where the police response to the crime was so shabbily half hearted, just so uninterested that the subsequent inquiry found that the only possible explanation for their consistent failures was 'institutionalised racism' at all levels in the police. Consider how the police even treat one of their own, the case of Gurpal Virdi, where he was accused -and convicted!- of sending racist hate mail to himself.

Consider the curious case of the largest chemical explosive haul in mainland Britain, which was mentioned in "News in Brief" in a single national newspaper in Britain (p4, below the Volvo advert), virtually ignored because, well, the culprits were white nationalists and not brown skinned arabs. Contrast with the "Forest Gate" debacle, where the word of a single informant was enough to send 50 armed police officers to the address of a low income family, to encourage them to throw a grandmother onto the street, to shoot to kill (but merely wound) a civilian, and to smear as a paedophile a blameless citizen, all with willing accomplices in newsrooms throughout this fair nation.

Consider the odd inevitability of black people being voted out early in popular TV competitions reliant on voting, regardless of their skill in those competitions. Once is a mistake, twice is unfortunate and three is surely indicative of the biases of the voting public.

So our institutions, our newspapers and the people all show evidence of, at its most charitable, racist prejudice.

Maybe we deserve the TV we get.

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Racism in Britain | 96 comments (91 topical, 5 editorial, 9 hidden)
i don't get it (1.78 / 14) (#1)
by circletimessquare on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 05:39:23 PM EST

the europeans are culturally and morally superior. they don't have race problems. race problems are only for the culturally and morally inferior amerikkkans


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

What fucking news do you have in the US? (2.09 / 11) (#8)
by MotorMachineMercenary on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 11:58:05 PM EST

Oh, right, your "international" news means Madonna adopting a baby or Brangelina getting married in Eetaly.

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MMM: the thinking man's idiot
- zombie twisted sandshoe


[ Parent ]
nothing quite that fucked, i assure you nt (2.00 / 2) (#40)
by CAIMLAS on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 08:02:35 PM EST


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Socialism and communism better explained by a psychologist than a political theorist.
[ Parent ]

We do have race problems (1.44 / 9) (#14)
by A Bore on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 06:59:22 AM EST

..but these are caused by Americans. The worse of the race riots in France, for example, was as a direct result of America's propping up of unsustainable and unjust regimes for geopolitical reasons, such as Israel and Saudia Arabia. America's policies are loosing the wolves of havoc worldwide.

[ Parent ]
I thought they were disenfranchised Algerians (2.50 / 8) (#20)
by Adam Rightmann on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 09:08:01 AM EST

products of France's failed colonialism, who had no jobs and little future, and were stuck in concrete suburban ghettoes.

[ Parent ]
Yes, they were (2.41 / 12) (#24)
by A Bore on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 09:32:57 AM EST

I was just amusing myself by poking cts with my miserable-yanks stick.

[ Parent ]
Well then (2.83 / 6) (#25)
by Adam Rightmann on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 10:00:46 AM EST

carry on.

[ Parent ]
lol yeah right (1.33 / 3) (#80)
by thankyougustad on Sun Jan 21, 2007 at 04:46:19 PM EST



No no thanks no
Je n'aime que le bourbon
no no thanks no
c'est une affaire de goût.

[ Parent ]
Hey, we're superior (2.33 / 6) (#16)
by Wen Jian on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 08:53:26 AM EST

Not perfect.
It was an experiment in lulz. - Rusty
[ Parent ]
if you're so superior, why the chinese name? nt (1.33 / 3) (#41)
by circletimessquare on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 08:04:36 PM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
That's why he's not perfect? (1.50 / 1) (#49)
by shm on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 09:35:05 PM EST




[ Parent ]
he can be a perfect han imperialist (2.33 / 3) (#63)
by circletimessquare on Sat Jan 20, 2007 at 12:52:26 AM EST

or a perfect euroturd

but not both at the same time


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

It's not a name. (1.00 / 2) (#90)
by Wen Jian on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 02:30:25 PM EST

It's a type of sword. Much as we are blessed multiply in Europe, there has been something of a decline in sword furniture, since Wilkinson started only doing pattern sabres for parade.

Happy?
It was an experiment in lulz. - Rusty
[ Parent ]

Anyway (2.00 / 3) (#91)
by Wen Jian on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 02:32:17 PM EST

AFAIK Han names are comprised of three parts. Manchurians may have two-part names.
It was an experiment in lulz. - Rusty
[ Parent ]
Not necessarily (2.33 / 3) (#95)
by Scrymarch on Fri Jan 26, 2007 at 07:48:51 PM EST

Simply having a surname and one given name isn't as common as the surname + two given names, but it's not particularly unusual. Besides, you could simply be using your two given names, like the current President does among his buddies in the global elite. "Yo, Jintao, wassup wit' the satellites? Why you gotta hate?"

[ Parent ]
Fair enough (2.00 / 2) (#96)
by Wen Jian on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 05:04:24 PM EST

But I still aint a slope.
It was an experiment in lulz. - Rusty
[ Parent ]
That's not very reasonable (2.57 / 7) (#31)
by tweet on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 02:05:16 PM EST

We're also economically, hygienically, educationally better.  And there are lots of other problems we don't have.  Like hurricanes.

You spelt Americans wrong.

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Not everything in black and white makes sense.

[ Parent ]

wrong about the hurricanes at least (1.33 / 3) (#32)
by circletimessquare on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 02:23:46 PM EST

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/19/D8MOGT8O7.html

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
That's just wind (1.33 / 3) (#36)
by tweet on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 05:05:51 PM EST

not a hurricane.

_______________________________________________
Not everything in black and white makes sense.

[ Parent ]

no... REALLY?! what would i do without you! nt (1.33 / 3) (#38)
by circletimessquare on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 06:09:42 PM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Germaine Greer discussed this in the Guardian. (2.00 / 6) (#2)
by creature on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 05:56:53 PM EST

She's a weird woman. Normally I find her puzzling and/or wrong, but I thought she had a point this time. Or at least, another viewpoint:

There are no good reasons for watching Celebrity Big Brother and very good reasons for not. Not watching will spare you the nerve-fraying annoyingness that is Shilpa Shetty. Everything about her is infuriating: her haughty way of stalking about, her indomitable self-confidence, her chandelier earrings, her leaping eyebrows, her mirthless smile, her putty nose and her eternal bray, "Why does everyone hate me?" Not to mention the crying jags. What no one seems to have quite understood is that Shilpa is a very good actress. Everyone hates her because she wants them to. She also knows that if she infuriates people enough, their innate racism will spew forth. [More]

An array of apologetics (2.57 / 7) (#11)
by A Bore on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 02:50:40 AM EST

Cockneys can't produce Shilpa? Using bleaching face cream is provocative? It's practically a must for a Bollywood actress working in India, where paler skin is seen as more desirable (linked with class - you don't work outdoors).

This was written a few days ago, before the worst of it happened. I'd like to see her output now, to see if she's changed her mind. But I'm surprised that she finds Shetty's normal behaviour as more worthy of censure than the question "Do you live in a shack?"

[ Parent ]
It's just like Greer (2.16 / 6) (#43)
by livus on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 08:25:44 PM EST

to argue that the target of racism is supposedly asking for it from the poor innocent racists.

It's also typical of her to pretend some sort of ironic distance whilst simultaneously imagining her own projections are the "minds" of the televised house inmates.

She herself was on Celebrity Big Brother at one point, wasn't she?

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[ Parent ]

Didn't read like an apologia to me (1.50 / 4) (#47)
by Scrymarch on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 08:59:12 PM EST

More like criticism in the literary sense, saying: Shilpa gets racially abused (which is of course unacceptable) because she deliberately infuriates people. That a critic like Greer more often uses her newspaper column to explain the social dynamics of Big Brother than the meaning and usefulness of the term unsynthesised manifold says as much about modern Britain as the show itself.

[ Parent ]
Greer deliberately infuriates people too (1.60 / 5) (#52)
by livus on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 09:56:54 PM EST

all the time - and yet I doubt she'd name this as the root cause of any racism or sexism directed at her.

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[ Parent ]
I agree (2.00 / 4) (#53)
by Scrymarch on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 10:08:29 PM EST

I don't think she does any such thing in the article. As I read it she says Shilpa's infuriating manner is the root cause of the abuse, but the racist elements come from the culture at large.

The word was bleeped out, leading many viewers to speculate that she had been racially abused. That is not surprising. This is a racist country; to the vast majority of couch potatoes out there, Shilpa is a "Paki bird".


[ Parent ]
Yes, I suppose I can see it that way too (2.33 / 3) (#58)
by livus on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 10:59:37 PM EST

and to be fair, it's probably Greer's history that makes me immediately assume the worse of the possible interprettations. You might well be right.

Nevertheless, I think it's a cleverly open ended column, and her main point - "well how can you be surprised" - paints all outrage or objection to racism into simply some sort of naive "surprise" at its existance, which I think is disingenious.


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be concrete asshole, or shut up. - CTS
I guess I skipped school or something to drink on the internet? - lonelyhobo
I'd like to hope that any impression you got about us from internet forums was incorrect. - debillitatus
I consider myself trolled more or less just by visiting the site. HollyHopDrive

[ Parent ]

But she's an honourary aboriginal! (2.00 / 5) (#61)
by Scrymarch on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 11:14:26 PM EST

How could she be racist? :)

[ Parent ]
[insert laugh acronym here] !!!! n (1.33 / 3) (#73)
by livus on Sat Jan 20, 2007 at 06:23:27 PM EST



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HIREZ substitute.
be concrete asshole, or shut up. - CTS
I guess I skipped school or something to drink on the internet? - lonelyhobo
I'd like to hope that any impression you got about us from internet forums was incorrect. - debillitatus
I consider myself trolled more or less just by visiting the site. HollyHopDrive

[ Parent ]
Germaine Greer (2.57 / 7) (#17)
by Wen Jian on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 08:54:50 AM EST

Is a troll.
It was an experiment in lulz. - Rusty
[ Parent ]
Possibly even (2.33 / 3) (#18)
by Wen Jian on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 08:55:44 AM EST

Like Egil's cousin or something.
It was an experiment in lulz. - Rusty
[ Parent ]
IAWTP. n (1.66 / 3) (#46)
by livus on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 08:35:48 PM EST

 

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be concrete asshole, or shut up. - CTS
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I'd like to hope that any impression you got about us from internet forums was incorrect. - debillitatus
I consider myself trolled more or less just by visiting the site. HollyHopDrive

[ Parent ]
In a myriad of ways. ny (1.00 / 3) (#67)
by spasticfraggle on Sat Jan 20, 2007 at 01:38:57 PM EST



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I'm the straw that broke the camel's back!
[ Parent ]
Shilpa is fit though $ (1.50 / 2) (#83)
by nebbish on Mon Jan 22, 2007 at 10:56:52 AM EST


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[ Parent ]

HALLOW POT? THIS IS KETTLE.... (1.72 / 11) (#3)
by GhostOfTiber on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 06:40:36 PM EST

HOLY SHIT PEOPLE TEND TO FAVOR FAMILIAR THINGS TO THEM INCLUDING RACE.

WHY DO WHITE PEOPLE VOTE EVERYONE ELSE OFF FIRST?

Because on Celebrity Big Brother, the people have very little merit other than the meat they occupy.  Otherwise, they might have been doctors or teachers or been able to stand on some merit of cultivated skill.

[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne

Close the newspapers, turn off the radio (2.89 / 19) (#10)
by A Bore on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 02:35:32 AM EST

From now on, all media comment will be restricted to GhostofTiber's "LOL I NEW THAT ALREADY FILM AT -11"

News: Earthquake in India
GhostofTiber: HOLY SHIT, TECTONIC PLATES TEND TO SHIFT YA THINK, FUCKWADS?

News: China's democratic reforms stumble
GhostofTiber: LOL SHIT YOU THINK A COUNTRY THAT BIG CAN JUST CHANGE OVERNIGHT YOU THINK EDUCATED STUPID??

News: Aliens land
GhostofTiber: WTF YOU THINK ALL THOSE PHOTO BLOBS WERE WETHARBALLONNS OR SOMMAT YOU PRICKS??

GhostofTiber. Infinitely wise, some time afterTM.

[ Parent ]
LOL R U ON DRUGS? (1.71 / 7) (#28)
by GhostOfTiber on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 11:57:52 AM EST

But we knew that already.

[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne
[ Parent ]

wondering what (1.57 / 7) (#4)
by balsamic vinigga on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 08:05:01 PM EST

they do in india to explain what she percieves as odd behavior isn't "racist," it's just rationalizing. Obviously if the bitch was racist she'd know chinks eat with fucking chopsticks. Being painfully ignorant and culturally isolated is not racism.

Fuck, those fuckers are dumb anyway... you don't tell a punjabi to cook you chicken without a tandoori then later bitch about food poisoning. Fuck it, buy the bitch a bag of lentils and a spice rack and let her do her thing. Shit's a non issue after that.

The bigger scandal here is who the fuck took the set designer of A Different World out of retirement? I swear you tasteless redcoats got more important issues to address than feeling impotent over losing your last colony to an anorexic vegan.

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India wasn't Britain's last colony. % (1.50 / 4) (#12)
by Joe Sixpack on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 05:35:55 AM EST


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[ Parent ]

last major colony (1.00 / 4) (#21)
by balsamic vinigga on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 09:08:24 AM EST

well, you could argue that hong kong was major..  but that wasn't really a loss.. i mean they were just honoring the original agreement...  besides hong kong is an island, india is a subcontinent.  But yeah I shoulda been more specific but i figured yall'd know what i meant.

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[ Parent ]
Try south and east africa (2.00 / 3) (#30)
by TDS on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 01:57:03 PM EST

Pretty big.


And when we die, we will die with our hands unbound. This is why we fight.
[ Parent ]
yeah but they just followed suit (1.00 / 4) (#33)
by balsamic vinigga on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 02:42:23 PM EST

india was the test case, therefore the only significant one.

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tell that to the kenyans mate <nt> (2.00 / 3) (#34)
by TDS on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 02:49:26 PM EST



And when we die, we will die with our hands unbound. This is why we fight.
[ Parent ]
don't have to. I'm sure they already know (1.60 / 5) (#35)
by balsamic vinigga on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 03:32:49 PM EST

that following india's example it became international fact that britain wouldn't fight to maintain any overseas territory wishing to be independent. The only ones that remained did so by choice, or out of fear that they'd be absorbed by another nation.

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Dude. No, you're kind of majorly wrong. (2.12 / 8) (#44)
by livus on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 08:33:01 PM EST

In the late 50s, Britain hanged over 1k of Kenyans and shoved about 50k of them into internment camps where they were tortured. Srsly.

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[ Parent ]
must.. not... admit.. teh fail... NO UR ALL WRONG (2.25 / 8) (#59)
by balsamic vinigga on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 11:05:30 PM EST



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A Bore == correct. (1.75 / 4) (#5)
by stuaart on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 08:28:11 PM EST

``Maybe we deserve the TV we get.''

Quite.

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+1FP, Foam, mouth $ (1.50 / 6) (#6)
by jandev on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 10:19:43 PM EST


"ENGINEERS" IS NOT POSSESSIVE. IT'S A PLURAL. YOU DO NOT MOTHERFUCKING MARK A PLURAL WITH A COCKSUCKING APOSTROPHE. APOSTROPHES ARE FOR MARKING POSSESSIVES IN THIS CASE. IF YOU WEREN'T A TOTAL MORON, YOU WOULD BE SAYING SOMETHING LIKE "THE CIVIL ENGINEER'S SMALL PENIS". SEE THAT APOSTROPHE? IT'S A HAPPY APOSTROPHE. IT'S NOT BEING ABUSED BY SOME GODDAMN SHIT-FOR-BRAINS IDIOT WITH NO EDUCATION. - Nimey

we deserve the TV we get (2.28 / 7) (#15)
by wiredog on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 08:51:37 AM EST

American Idol: Everything That's Wrong With America
The new season of "American Idol" did the impossible last night: Showed more scenes of torture than "24."

The judges and the viewers were tortured by contestants whose delusions of grandeur and hegemonic vanity had led to them to think that they could sing. ...

Collectively [the judges] told the majority of contestants ... that, as Simon put it at one point, their futures would not involve singing. This came as shocking news to many contestants, who, demonstrating one of the core weaknesses of American culture, had been told again and again that they had a talent that they in fact lacked. What we saw was the self-esteem movement exploding on prime-time television. We saw young people ... being told the truth for the first time in their lives. Gosh it was painful to watch, unless, of course, you're a sadist, in which case it was hilarious.

"American Idol" is, on many levels, a catalog of all that is wrong with our country.

...you have celebrity worship merging with individualism to create the delusion that no one is allowed to be anything other than exceptional. Everyone must be a star. ... These people had dreams, but some no longer had jobs ... The gleeful producers milked their humiliation for all it was worth;

I suspect that BB is a catalog of all that is wrong with the UK...

Wilford Brimley scares my chickens.
Phil the Canuck

Not all (2.00 / 3) (#68)
by tweet on Sat Jan 20, 2007 at 02:19:02 PM EST

that is wrong with the UK.  Maybe all that is wrong with TV in the UK.

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[ Parent ]

All that is right with America (2.00 / 4) (#69)
by TDS on Sat Jan 20, 2007 at 03:48:54 PM EST

Srsly. One of the things I like about Americans and American society is that it tends to dispose people to thinking they can do stuff. The famous "can do" attitude. European society leans towards towards making perfectly able people think they can't and to very risk averse. If you look at the attitudes and figures toward entrepreneurship they bear this out. There is also, perhaps contrary to the brutal form of Darwinian economics practised, a softer bounce. You can fail but you can come back and you can fail again and then maybe make it. Many successful entrepreneurs have that kind of history as do many artists and other people in competitive areas. Of course its a truism that if you want more millionaires in society you are going have to accept a few more bankrupts as well. Unfortunately European society tends to say if you try and fail, you should learn the lesson and give up.

If the cost of this is a few idiots get a nasty awakening on a reality TV show once in a while, its worth it both socially and economically IMHO.

And when we die, we will die with our hands unbound. This is why we fight.
[ Parent ]

Quitters never win (1.66 / 3) (#92)
by cburke on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 06:27:50 PM EST

and winners never quit, but those who never win and never quit are idiots.

-- credit to Despair.com

[ Parent ]

Eh, it's a tradeoff. (2.00 / 1) (#75)
by Kasreyn on Sat Jan 20, 2007 at 08:57:23 PM EST

It's fun to watch their dreams being crushed, but it's not worth suffering through their screeching for an hour. Besides, they all suck and it's annoying to see one of them crowned "WORTHWHILE" at the end. There needs to be a "none of the above" voting option before I'll get interested.


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We never asked to be born in the first place."

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[ Parent ]
+1FP for "delusions of adequacy" alone $ (2.14 / 7) (#19)
by rpjs on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 09:00:30 AM EST



sup (1.40 / 15) (#23)
by noogee on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 09:23:57 AM EST

<@Keron> no i think only catholics can confess <@LordBrian> time to convert <@Keron> no need to convert <@Keron> jesus has already prepaid your visa sin card <@Keron> he's already predied for your sins <@Keron> it's like being preapproved to sin <@liwei> that must have been a spectacular death <@Keron> only if you don't accept him as your savior, then instead of breaking your knee caps like a loan shark <@Keron> he sends you to hell <@Keron> kind of a bum deal if you ask me. <@LordBrian> sounds like a jew all right

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Best troll on this subject i've seen yet: (2.20 / 10) (#26)
by daveybaby on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 11:35:15 AM EST

'WHY HAS SHILPA NOT APOLOGISED FOR 9/11?'

And it wasnt on k5. People, i'm disappointed in you.

-1, inferior (1.42 / 7) (#27)
by cow dung and algae on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 11:56:51 AM EST



Naked prejudice (2.16 / 6) (#42)
by Scrymarch on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 08:17:56 PM EST

Removing this from the footage has allowed Endemol and Channel 4 to spin the situation as a clash of well, class, or personality, or anything except for naked prejudice.

Because prejudice based on class or personality is of course much better clothed than that based on race ...

Not suprising (1.50 / 8) (#48)
by Social Democrat on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 09:13:57 PM EST

As European politics continue their march rightward, racism increases.  No suprise here.

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I say (1.75 / 4) (#56)
by Scrymarch on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 10:56:06 PM EST

I mean look at Conservative leader David Cameron fights the last British election on his green credentials and no cuts to the national health service: he's virtually a European Pinochet.

[ Parent ]
Karl Marx was a racist /nt (2.40 / 5) (#62)
by GrandWazoo on Sat Jan 20, 2007 at 12:09:07 AM EST



[ Parent ]
wow that really proves something! -nt (1.75 / 4) (#74)
by Kasreyn on Sat Jan 20, 2007 at 08:54:11 PM EST

nt
"Extenuating circumstance to be mentioned on Judgement Day:
We never asked to be born in the first place."

R.I.P. Kurt. You will be missed.
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It's gotten so bad... (1.66 / 6) (#71)
by Stjck on Sat Jan 20, 2007 at 04:55:02 PM EST

That they've even called in the A-Team.

Stupid (1.75 / 4) (#77)
by JohnFlux on Sun Jan 21, 2007 at 01:07:37 PM EST

Such a mix of points all clumped together.

Saying that you want to see under a view is racist?  Wtf?

Let me guess, I'm racist as well because I don't agree with the way most Muslim countries treat their women.  Quick, someone lock me in Jail!

treat their what? (1.33 / 3) (#86)
by Private Papers on Mon Jan 22, 2007 at 03:27:26 PM EST

spew forth some ignorant prattle about women walking seven steps behind a man and then visit the middle east for the real thing you ignoramus.

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The choice of the viewer (1.25 / 4) (#88)
by ribo on Mon Jan 22, 2007 at 10:33:35 PM EST

I get a smug satisfaction not knowing anything about any of the people or show you're talking about.

Yes, keep watching the TV, keep writing diatribes against it on the internet, you'll never know what they'll do next!! Yes, that will show them.

And Channel 4 says "no racism". (2.20 / 5) (#89)
by darkonc on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 02:51:38 AM EST

What I find most bothersome about this whole mess is that Channel 4 kept on saying that there was no racism... like repeated denials would make the problem magically go away.

As for the perpetrators... braying about the way that Shilpa cooked -- and even when she managed to complete a meal, like she was some sort of a servant....
If you don't like her cooking, then cook your own freaking meal!

And as far as trying to start a conversation of whether it is bullying rather than racism: the two are far to closely intertwined. Bullies are likely to use race as an attack mechanism since the victim has very little avenue of response, and it can be used even when there's nothing of substance to complain about. However, racism as a bullying tactic only works if it's seen as socially acceptable. Clearly, the clique saw the racism as an acceptable venue of expression.

Having been a victim of bullies when I was smaller (I'm now 6'0) and a racial minority myself, I think that I can speak with reasonable authority about the two.
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Reality TV isn't. (1.66 / 6) (#93)
by cburke on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 06:39:27 PM EST

Basically after the first season of MTV's Real World what we call "Reality TV" has had nothing to do with reality as such.

The primary difference was that then, the format itself was new and novel enough that they let it stand more or less on its own.  As the opening says, they picked some people to live in a house and recorded them.  Maybe it was intentional or maybe not, but the people they picked were normal people.  Not exemplary specemins of humanity, but they were all functional adults, well adjusted enough to live in New York and hold down a job before signing on to the show.  Basically normal people.  There was certainly drama and fights and such, but more or less they lived their lives and dealt with problems like most people would.

Realizing that the arguments and drama was the most popular part of the show, starting with the second season they started picking people specifically to cause conflict among the group.  Including -- in some cases especially -- racial conflicts.

At that point, and for the rest of time, "Reality TV" is to reality what "Professional Wrestling" is to wrestling, and about equally spontaneous.

Oh yeah, and of course there is racism involved.  Who but priviliged sheltered white folk think racism is a thing of the past?

great entertainment, everyone needs to read this (1.33 / 3) (#94)
by great going guys on Thu Jan 25, 2007 at 04:42:52 AM EST



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