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Jack Valenti dies, to critical acclaim.

By OzJuggler in Culture
Sat Apr 28, 2007 at 12:00:00 PM EST
Tags: Jack Valenti, MPAA, culture, DRM, monopoly, death, tycoon, rejoice (all tags)
Culture

When I saw the headline I felt my heart leap.


Why the lack of mainstream media attention? TheSpoof.com has a good point, especially considering the difference between Valenti's enormous and persistent influence on the video-renting and cinema-going public versus the shallow and transient influence of Smith. Indeed sexy celebs behave like the fabled Hydra; cut off one big boobed blonde, and two others will rise up in her place.

The media should be all over this, but I can see why they aren't. The death of Jack Valenti is missing two ingredients critical to prime time gossip: 1) Public outrage. 2) Network profitability.

The public can't be outraged about this since, hey, the guy was gettin' on a bit and you can't blithely sell your soul to Satan and expect to live forever. The only thing outrageous about it is that it didn't happen in 1963. (If only Lee Harvey Oswald had valued cheap movie downloads more than the future of the free world.) Plus the public should be overjoyed about his death, it being a glimmer of hope in a media capitalist underworld. Which leads nicely to the second reason. The networks can't profit from this event because joy and hope don't get ratings. It could even be that without Valenti to grease the wheels of the DRM oligarchy, there is a slight chance that in the future less content will be locked into Big Media's pipeline, so it's potentially a downer for network sales.

The journo stalwarts will bollock on about Valenti's film ratings system, but most people browsing the web (myself included) will be too young to remember a time when such a system didn't exist. Instead we know Valenti only for his evil roles in more recent events. Originally he opposed the introduction of video tape recorders in the early 1980s in the mistaken belief that technology with such obvious piracy capabilities would surely be the death knell of the film and television industry. Heh. And prerecorded video sales soared, later accounting for nearly 40% of movie revenues.

In an almost identical situation 20 years later, he spearheaded the attack by the movie business on the historic fair-use rights of the public to transcribe movies they legally purchased, notably in the DeCSS case. Although of little consequence (yet) in Australia, he also supported the broadcast flag for digital television which had basically the same goal.

But the greatest evil he wrought was the DMCA - a desperate legal attempt to force people to pay money to an industry facing death by a thousand downloads. The steady increase in domestic Internet speed and availability ensured that music was offended by piracy first during the last days of the analog modem era in the mid 1990s, with DVD movie files emerging around 6 years later. The MPAA saw what happened to the RIAA and now by some accounts wants to be on the front foot with Internet downloads.
They bleat about piracy, but we know it's not the main reason for all the CSS/ACCS/HDCP DRM that's been descending onto consumers from a great height lately. It's all about maladaptivity, corporate profitability, and most of all about the movie studio dependency on their traditional retailers and distribution channels. As Standard & Poor's analysis tacitly admits, the goal of the MPAA now is to prevent the emergence of a free market in movies, such that the movie producers are able to continue to exercise as much control over movie retail prices as they've become accustomed to in the pre-Internet era. They are dinosaurs living in the shadow of the asteroid, and Valenti was their T-Rex.
Painting a picture of Valenti as the Dark Lord of the Sith is also not too difficult.

The warhead of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act was the new cluster of penalties that could be dropped on a content agnostic neutral service provider or carrier if they didn't become a cop for the studios and show enough diligence in architecting products for protecting movies or policing their customer's use of services. You and I know the fact that bits are bits and software is not a moral agent, but for the MPAA reality is not enough.

Existing copyright law adequately described what was in and what was out when things get copied. The entertainment industry wanted more technical protections, but for ulterior motives. The DMCA was unnecessary, disruptive for many reasons, completely failed in its objective, and Microsoft pointed out why it was never going to work anyway. (Of course the M$ solution was to buy a big slice of the HDCP pie, with equally dismal results.)

The DMCA began as a law only in the USA, but it soon spread around the world via the magic of free trade agreements. Yes, Aussies, there's a little bit of Jack in all of us now. Gimme a bucket. Kaaaarrk. Puh.

Throughout his long MPAA career, Valenti's campaigns consisted mostly of fear, uncertainty, and doubt, all tied together with faulty syllogisms. Valenti stood up and talked panicked nonsense to his government, paying lip service to the obvious superiority of the Internet as a movie distribution mechanism, whilst saying in adjacent breaths: "standards would allow for the protective garments of content encryption, watermarking and other necessities for guarding the life of movies. All this to the ultimate benefit of American consumers, 99.9 percent of whom are not hackers, who have moral standards which inhabit their daily conduct." The movie industry being held to ransom by 0.1% of the population? Clear as mud. The only two things the MPAA was in charge of was Jack and Shit, and Jack just left town.

He was acutely aware of the sourness of his own infamy, saying in a video message to the Creative Commons launch party "I hope, Larry, the fact that I'm supporting you on this doesn't ruin your reputation." He was all smiles about a scheme that licensed works he couldn't exploit for cash anyway, but history has shown he was never a champion for Free Culture and fair use when he had his chance. He had an industry to run.

The only sad aspect of Jack Valenti's death is that it is unlikely that the desperately backwards monopolistic DRM ideas that he engendered have died with him.
They live on.

Somewhere.

Near you.


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Jack Valenti dies, to critical acclaim. | 164 comments (145 topical, 19 editorial, 0 hidden)
Where's the Corpse Being Kept? (3.00 / 5) (#4)
by Peahippo on Sat Apr 28, 2007 at 04:25:25 PM EST

A/V America needs to find it, line up in all its millions, and quite simply FUCK IT. (Too back Jackie Boy isn't alive to enjoy such a long rape queue.)


Staked, Salted and Consecrated. (2.00 / 3) (#5)
by xC0000005 on Sat Apr 28, 2007 at 08:38:55 PM EST

Because someone that evil was probably undead already. Even Satan has limits to what he'll accept.

Voice of the Hive - Beekeeping and Bees for those who don't
[ Parent ]
It is said... (3.00 / 2) (#78)
by dissonant on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 07:31:30 PM EST

...that after being quartered, salted, submersed in holy water, and decapitated, but before his head finally died he was heard to utter:
"Death is but a doorway, time is but a window."

[ Parent ]
New poll suggestion. (none / 1) (#105)
by OzJuggler on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:50:44 AM EST

Jack Valenti most closely resembled:
A) Emperor Palpatine
B) Lord Viggo the Tormentor
C) The first Doctor Who


"And I will not rest until every year families gather to spend December 25th together
at Osama's homo abortion pot and commie jizzporium." - Jon Stewart's gift to Bill O'Reilly, 7 Dec 2005.
[ Parent ]

Now, if we only could have ... (2.28 / 7) (#15)
by Peahippo on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 03:15:08 AM EST

... pureed Jack Thompson and David Lereah and poured the resulting, nasty, industry-protecting stew into Valenti's coffin, all would be much better with the world. Imagine Valenti's corpse going into Eternity, sloshing like a raft on the rotting muck of two other industry shills and activists. The evil that's done in the name of corporations and industries of all kinds makes the act of pureeing a living Human being as a comparable nothing.


Don't forget Fritz Hollings (3.00 / 2) (#16)
by Kasreyn on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 03:17:04 AM EST

aka the Senator from Disney.


"Extenuating circumstance to be mentioned on Judgement Day:
We never asked to be born in the first place."

R.I.P. Kurt. You will be missed.
[ Parent ]
Oh, Yeah, I Forgot Him (3.00 / 2) (#18)
by Peahippo on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 03:51:04 AM EST

We can process his worthless hydrocarbons into fertilizer for Velenti's gravesite. Will I get arrested for wiping my ass with a Mickey Mouse consumer item and draping it on Valenti's tombstone? Time will tell.


[ Parent ]
How could you not? (nt) (none / 0) (#31)
by khallow on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 04:44:16 PM EST


Stating the obvious since 1969.
[ Parent ]

I dance on Jack Valenti's grave. (2.00 / 5) (#19)
by mr strange on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 04:55:51 AM EST



intrigued by your idea that fascism is feminine - livus
Unfortunately (2.40 / 5) (#21)
by toulouse on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 08:35:55 AM EST

While I had a brief swell of fairly inhuman elation when I heard the news, it quickly subsided as it dawned that this isn't going to alter a damned thing. The name on the door will change, and they'll have to change the stencil in the automatic-signature machine, but the next weasel in the queue will simply step up.

The mouthpiece is dead. Long live the mouthpiece.

etcetera.


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The name on the door already changed (3.00 / 2) (#24)
by Enlarged to Show Texture on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 11:47:25 AM EST

And sadly, I voted to send his ass to Congress. Twice. And then he rented his soul to the devil...

I'm tempted to say "-1, not sensational enough", but I'll vote SP to give others more chances to learn of Valenti's late-career senility...


"Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do." -- Isaac Asimov
[ Parent ]
i am hard core anti-dmca (2.12 / 8) (#25)
by circletimessquare on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 12:31:16 PM EST

jack valenti was a guy who had a certain set of wrong beliefs about... intellectual property. so just because he made your music collection accumulation fraught with legal peril is no reason to be happy he is dead

there are plenty of people in this world we should be happy to see dead. mostly those who traffick in killing other human beings. but those who traffick in the dmca? not comparable with death you asswipe

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

Because (2.25 / 4) (#27)
by localroger on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 03:39:41 PM EST

Valenti didn't just have certain wrong beliefs, he devoted his life and considerable resources toward getting legislation passed to prop up those beliefs.

Valenti was actively engaged in the pursuit of his ideals -- which very much involve the enrichment of himself and his already rich buddies at our expense -- right up until the day his failing health made it impossible.

It is fortunate that Valenti lost perhaps the biggest battle he ever fought, trying to make the VCR illegal. It's unfortunate that those following in his footsteps have had so much success ramming DRM schemes down our throats. It's fortunate that such a powerful and dedicated person is no longer in the fight. This is a good thing regardless of how it occurred.

I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds -- J. Robert Oppenheimer
[ Parent ]

let's put it this way (2.33 / 3) (#29)
by circletimessquare on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 04:22:41 PM EST

it's good his era is over. but that doesn't mean i'll be celebrating his personal death. if he had murdered a number of transient prostitutes, then i would celebrate his death


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Value of a life? (3.00 / 9) (#33)
by localroger on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 07:28:31 PM EST

Valenti was actively trying to make it illegal for everyone in the WORLD to do something we take for granted as being a necessity now that it is possible. While it's true that's not like carving someone up and eating their heart, how many people do you have to fuck over before it becomes equivalent to the murder of one person? It's not a trivial question. Insurance companies actually write equations on the basis of such things.

Valenti was both evil and powerful, an extraordinarily dangerous combination. He was actively trying to set back the clock of technological progress, something that ultimately tends to reflect in higher standards of living and longer lives for all of us. He was so dedicated to his cause that only terminal illness was able to separate him from the pursuit of his goals. So given that, yay terminal illness. Yay death. Too often death takes those who aren't ready to go and shouldn't; when death takes one who should, it's proper to celebrate.

I also got standing reservations at Antoine's for the day Dick Cheney dies.

I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds -- J. Robert Oppenheimer
[ Parent ]

+3 Encourage... (3.00 / 2) (#34)
by superdiva on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 07:34:58 PM EST

For the last sentence of comment.
_____________________________________________

Psych-E.org
[ Parent ]
dick cheney is a dick (1.25 / 4) (#59)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:14:00 PM EST

but you don't beat a dick by becoming one yourself

understand?

taking joy in the death of anyone except killers is wrong


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Likewise (3.00 / 2) (#62)
by superdiva on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:34:02 PM EST

Calling people "asswipes" doesn't not lend an iota of credibility to the argument you're making; it's only blustery hot-air.

Cheney is a killer, btw...along with Rumsfeld and Dubya.  It may not fit in your definition, but it works for me.
_____________________________________________

Psych-E.org
[ Parent ]

hey asswipe (1.00 / 4) (#66)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:50:32 PM EST

i'll make you a deal: you don't say anything stupid, and i won't call you an asswipe, how's that?

if it means you respect me less for doing so, that's absolutely fine. because i have no respect for you whatsoever, based on the (lack of) quality of the words you say

why should i pay you any respect, asswipe, when the level of thought you demonstrate is so dim?

and it's only natural that you consider dick cheney a killer (sitting in the white house, drinking blood from the skulls of dead iraqi children, or whatever your retarded propaganda is). the man is a vile prick. but he's not a killer

but for you to understand that, you have to grasp higher mental faculties like context, and intent. you obviously don't have a very firm grasp on these things, so it's only natural that you should think the world functions like a cartoon or hollywood movie plot in simple one dimensional stereotypes. do whatever works for you, small simpleminded child


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

You've negated your own argument (none / 0) (#68)
by superdiva on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 02:06:42 PM EST

i'll make you a deal: you don't say anything stupid, and i won't call you an asswipe, how's that?

Thanks, but I'll pass.  Carry on.

if it means you respect me less for doing so, that's absolutely fine. because i have no respect for you whatsoever, based on the (lack of) quality of the words you say...

why should i pay you any respect, asswipe, when the level of thought you demonstrate is so dim?

If your deluded assessment of my words is all it takes to spout hostile invectives at me, an individual you don't even know, then you can hardly condemn OzJuggler's humorous fist-pumping for an individual who seemingly did nothing but hire some lawyer to protect the interests of movie studios.

But I have this hunch you won't make the connection.
_____________________________________________

Psych-E.org
[ Parent ]

i understand (none / 1) (#70)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 02:10:44 PM EST

celebrating a man's death who wasn't a murderer himself is just as horrible as calling you a bad name

awww, i'm so sorry

would a hug make it all better darling? there, there. pay no attention to the mean bad man on teh internets

something must be done to clean up the horrible horrible internets. there is mean peoples on it!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you are one sheltered selfish fuck

thanks for the entertainment you fragile child


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Ah yes... (none / 0) (#72)
by superdiva on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 02:22:16 PM EST

would a hug make it all better darling? there, there. pay no attention to the mean bad man on teh internets

something must be done to clean up the horrible horrible internets. there is mean peoples on it!!!

My hunch was right.

_____________________________________________

Psych-E.org
[ Parent ]

yes, your hunch was right (none / 1) (#73)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 02:31:49 PM EST

judging you on the low iq content of your words is as horrible a crime as celebrating the death of someone who was not a murderer

you are truly a savant of judging human character

an idiot savant

(snicker)


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

This is like watching a bunch of (3.00 / 2) (#132)
by debillitatus on Tue May 01, 2007 at 11:01:08 PM EST

retards trying to hump a doorknob

Damn you and your daily doubles, you brigand!
[ Parent ]

I don't understand. So, how DO you beat your dick? (3.00 / 2) (#101)
by OzJuggler on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:39:34 AM EST



[ Parent ]
you can't beat a dick by becoming one (none / 1) (#102)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:45:01 AM EST

that's what i said

you must become a vagina to beat a dick

you form your hand into a tubular shape

then you load up on vaseline

in such a way, you can beat a dick


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

a necessity? (none / 0) (#35)
by livus on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 07:41:11 PM EST

A necessity ???

Erm, either you need a copy of the shorter oxford or else you need to adjust your priorities, dude.

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be concrete asshole, or shut up. - CTS
I guess I skipped school or something to drink on the internet? - lonelyhobo
I'd like to hope that any impression you got about us from internet forums was incorrect. - debillitatus
I consider myself trolled more or less just by visiting the site. HollyHopDrive

[ Parent ]

Life is data (none / 0) (#37)
by localroger on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 09:02:52 PM EST

And you either own your data or you don't. Valenti's mission in life was to make sure you could never own more than a few megabytes of data without his friends' permission.

I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds -- J. Robert Oppenheimer
[ Parent ]
Look, I didn't like Valenti either (2.33 / 3) (#41)
by livus on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:12:23 AM EST

but your use of the word "necessity" is a gratuitous exaggeration.

"Life is data" is a cute aphorism but it doesn't translate to a real argument that Valenti denied you the neccessities of life.

---
HIREZ substitute.
be concrete asshole, or shut up. - CTS
I guess I skipped school or something to drink on the internet? - lonelyhobo
I'd like to hope that any impression you got about us from internet forums was incorrect. - debillitatus
I consider myself trolled more or less just by visiting the site. HollyHopDrive

[ Parent ]

amen brother nt (1.50 / 2) (#57)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:09:06 PM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Informaiton is a matter of life and death (none / 1) (#113)
by localroger on Tue May 01, 2007 at 12:34:58 PM EST

From Chernobyl to the recent pet food contamination debacle, governments and businesses conspire to cover their asses and hide the facts whenever things go wrong. Often it is only through the efforts of hobbyists and journalists who independently collect and can then freely disseminate information that you can learn what is going on.

This isn't theoretical. If you know about the soaring radiation levels you can take iodine and avoid milk. If you know about the wave of dead pets you can feed your cat something else. There have been many other examples. In a world where information is tightly controlled -- the world as envisaged by its Jack Valentis -- those warnings would not get out, because the very entities endangering us would be in control of the tubes.

There are many other examples, of varying degrees of personal importance, but the basic principle has broad application: What you don't know can hurt and even kill you. As a general principle, information is life, and suppressing it is wrong.

I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds -- J. Robert Oppenheimer
[ Parent ]

yeah (none / 1) (#134)
by circletimessquare on Wed May 02, 2007 at 12:22:31 AM EST

ALL INFORMATION IS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH

INCLUDING MY STAR WARS MOVIE COLLECTION

AND MY DEVO MUSIC COLLECTION

JUST ASK KITTEN

are you trying to be a blowhard or are you just an alarmist wackjob by nature?


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

life is slightly more than data moron nt (none / 1) (#44)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 09:27:50 AM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
No, it's all ones and zeroes. $ (none / 1) (#65)
by localroger on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:49:04 PM EST



I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds -- J. Robert Oppenheimer
[ Parent ]
hi i am teh locelrogerz (1.25 / 4) (#67)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:51:21 PM EST

teh world is like teh movie teh matrix. omfg! roxors!!!!1!!


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
No, not the Matrix (none / 1) (#83)
by localroger on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 09:26:54 PM EST

I wrote MOPI years before the Matrix was made.

I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds -- J. Robert Oppenheimer
[ Parent ]
it must have been a good story (none / 0) (#88)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 07:39:08 AM EST

emphasis on story

as in, not reality


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

That's a rather deep epistemological question (none / 1) (#95)
by localroger on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:06:07 AM EST

In the end you cannot prove that matter exists, but you can prove that information does. ("I think therefore I am" is one crude expression of this.) You can also mimic all of the capabilities of a Universe made of matter with information, but the reverse is not true.

Incidentally, these ideas are really old; Matrix was ripping off Philip K. Dick, who in turn was rediscovering Gnostic Christianity. Long before computers were known the idea that the Universe is an illusion, or as the Hindus taught a dream in the mind of a sufficiently advanced being, made more sense in some fundamental ways than taking it literally.

I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds -- J. Robert Oppenheimer
[ Parent ]

hey frootloop (none / 1) (#99)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:23:07 AM EST

reality exists, and trumps all

but you go ahead and suggest otherwise. you are correct in one respect: when you deny reality, you are part of an old and grand tradition of delusional thinking


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Philosophy 101 (none / 0) (#110)
by localroger on Tue May 01, 2007 at 12:20:18 PM EST

You should take it sometime. You might be surprised at what you learn.

I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds -- J. Robert Oppenheimer
[ Parent ]
i'm certain i would learn all sorts of wonderful (none / 1) (#112)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 12:32:13 PM EST

things

none of which would empower me to lose my grasp of the fundamentals of reality and existence, and float away into the ether spouting nonsense

if that's your standard for enlightment then i will forever stand unenlightened in your view

and you will forever stand wackjob crackpot in mine

fair enough fruitcake?


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Your pride in your ignorance (none / 0) (#115)
by localroger on Tue May 01, 2007 at 12:43:18 PM EST

...makes me proud to be counted by you among the frootloops of the world.

Philosophers call your position "naive materialism." They call it "naive" because it's been considered pretty laughable since the 18th century or so.

While it's reasonable to argue that there is something out there that we generally agree on as "reality," it's rather trivial to show that your particular perception of that reality belongs to you and you alone, and is at best only approximately similar to the perceptions of others. To argue otherwise is what is ridiculous.

You have spent a great deal of energy and invective here arguing that your particular interpretation of a particular event is the only one that should be entertained. And then you have the stones to call me a fundamentalist for daring to disagree. Impressive, I must admit.

I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds -- J. Robert Oppenheimer
[ Parent ]

ignorance of indoctrination (none / 1) (#117)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 12:53:57 PM EST

is not the same as ignorance of education

so yes, i am proud in my ignorance... of things which you seem to think enlightens you, but which only indoctrinates you into a given worldview

and you are correct to point out that my perception is not the same as other peoples perception. and then you allude to approximating the perceptions of others... and then you lose it

my religion, if there is one, would be a sort of radical humanism, an extreme allegiance to populist notions at the expense of aristocratic ones

in other words, my greatest tragedy is would only approximate the perceptions of others, but my greatest pride is that i would get so very close to perception of others in approximation

meanwhile, yourself, you seemed content, as usual, as is the story as old as time, of adhering to the symbols and notions of "superior" thinking of your day, and be content withint the subculture of superior notions

tale as old as time, conceit as old as time

traps you. for your beliefs seem to include embracing

i will not be indoctrinated into the way of thinking you see as superior, because unlike you, i know i am not superior to the common man

i am the common man

and i am proud of it

and where you see pride in ignorance of education

i see pride in ignorance of indoctirnation into a subculture of superiority and arrogance

i am sorry your ego is so important to you

it is a common weakness though

so sorry you're so common, after all

(snicker)

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

You are the common man? (3.00 / 2) (#144)
by localroger on Wed May 02, 2007 at 05:59:41 PM EST

my religion, if there is one, would be a sort of radical humanism, an extreme allegiance to populist notions at the expense of aristocratic ones

In case you haven't noticed CTS, "humanism" and "populism" are not exactly synonyms lately. The "common man" votes Republican, would rather have a beer with George W. Bush, thinks the social safety net is a bunch of handouts for losers who should die, and laughs heartily when you slip on a banana peel.

I do not begrudge you your beliefs; despite your opinion of my opinion of Mr. Valenti you'd probably find my own worldview closer to your own than that of 95% of America. The difference is that I understand where my worldview came from, how it dovetails (or fails to) with the worldviews of others, and what its limitations are. Mr. Valenti, by the way, represents one of those limitations.

What I do find pathetic is that you not only don't know what others believe, you don't want to know. You've defined your own views as the only valid ones and vilified everyone who disagrees.

There's a word for that. It's called fundamentalism.

I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds -- J. Robert Oppenheimer
[ Parent ]

not all philosophers on in agreement on this (none / 1) (#142)
by Delirium on Wed May 02, 2007 at 02:48:47 PM EST

Quite a few philosophers are of the opinion that reality-denying skepticism is somewhat ridiculous, as its arguments (they allege) themselves rely on philosophical intuitions, and these intuitions are actually less sure-footed than the intuition that an external world exists. See, for example, Thomas Reid for a classical such defense of common sense, or in the 20th century, G.E. Moore.

[ Parent ]
so you are a religious fundamentalist? (none / 1) (#43)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 09:27:12 AM EST

doesn't matter what your religion is- christian, muslim, nationalist, technoanarchist... whatever. if you believe human life is worth sacrificing for non-mortal tenets of whatever you believe (that is, having to do with something other than the criminal taking human life himself), then you are a fundamentalist. look at osama bin laden and appreciate that there is some of him in you

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
I have a feeling (3.00 / 2) (#51)
by Pirengle on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 12:32:00 PM EST

that when the world ends, it's going to be your fault, cts.


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A sure-fire way to make friends and influence people: transform the letters "l" and "i" into "-1"s whenever posting. Instant wit!
[ Parent ]
the world will only end (none / 1) (#56)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:08:27 PM EST

when enough people believe it will end, if it is to end by mankind's own hand

in which case, fuck you for bringing up the possibility


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Legislation... (2.33 / 3) (#81)
by dissonant on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 08:09:11 PM EST

...as unlikely as it may seem, can be undone.  Death can not.

Even the most stone stubborn can sometimes surprise you and redeem themselves in life.  When death comes, the door is closed, and redemption is no longer possible in this world.

That's the difference.  That's why I won't celebrate his death, though I certainly will not mourn it.

[ Parent ]

amen! truth written above nt (none / 1) (#103)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:46:05 AM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
No (3.00 / 2) (#28)
by 4343 on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 04:01:38 PM EST

The man deserved to die, and it's a pity it didn't happen sooner and in a more painful manner. This is because Karma is such a nice concept, but doesn't really exist.

K5: Yawn in 60 seconds --Liar
[ Parent ]
so what other things are worthy of painful death (2.00 / 2) (#30)
by circletimessquare on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 04:24:52 PM EST

according to you?

you're priorities are severely retarded

if there is such a thing as karma, you've got something coming to you. mainly a painful reacclimatization with what's more imnportant than what


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Yeah, sure, whatever (none / 0) (#32)
by 4343 on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 04:56:55 PM EST

Nothing is going to happen, and nothing will be learnt.

K5: Yawn in 60 seconds --Liar
[ Parent ]
spoken like someone deserving of a comeuppance nt (none / 0) (#42)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 09:19:09 AM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Blah blah (none / 0) (#45)
by 4343 on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 10:55:14 AM EST

The story above nicely illustrates that there is no such thing as Karma. Jack Valenti died at the age of 85. We should only mourn the fact that it didn't happen sooner.

K5: Yawn in 60 seconds --Liar
[ Parent ]
karma exists (none / 1) (#47)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 11:20:01 AM EST

like all things involving human faith

it exists because people believe in it


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

leprechauns. (3.00 / 2) (#48)
by 4343 on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 11:36:13 AM EST



K5: Yawn in 60 seconds --Liar
[ Parent ]
Dude, you don't know who you're dealing with. (3.00 / 5) (#49)
by OzJuggler on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 11:59:08 AM EST

I mean, you can't argue with a guy who redefines the word "exist" without batting an eyelid.

At least ye used de roight tarm. Cause we hate de tarm "luttle paeple". Ooo diddly dee potatoes.

[ Parent ]

hey fuckhole (1.14 / 7) (#55)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:06:43 PM EST

grow some braincells, then comment

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
it's called self-fulfilling prophecy (none / 0) (#54)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:05:57 PM EST

leprechauns are something you can see/ hear/ touch

karma is merely a philosophical concept

you can bring philosophical concepts into existence merely by believing in them

you can't do that with actual objects

understand the difference moron?

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Yes (3.00 / 2) (#69)
by 4343 on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 02:08:12 PM EST

And when it comes to Jack Valenti, the concept of Karma is as much real as a leprechaun. Just like when you state that I will be punished for saying the man deserved a far worse fate than dying at 85, you may just as well state that I will get leprechauns. It's no more than wishful thinking, and wishful thinking is rarely a self-fulfilling prophecy, because if it were, there would be a whole lot more ponies walking around in this world of ours. Also, leprechauns.

K5: Yawn in 60 seconds --Liar
[ Parent ]
you say you understand, but you don't (1.50 / 2) (#71)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 02:20:05 PM EST

ponies are physical objects

beliefs are in the realm of human ideas. human ideas have a life of their own, outside of human bodies and lifetimes. the man's value, his esteem, how well he is known, how he is judged, these things matter more than his actual physical life, they matter in the metaphysical realm of ideas. in such arelam. karma is very real

you have to learn to separate the physical from the metaphysical in discussing this subject. once you do that, you will begin to make sense. because a judgment about something metaphysical: the man's reputation, for example, can only be judged within that same realm. it makes no sense to mix up the physical and metaphysical realms when drawing judgments on these issues

in other words, whn i talk about karma, i'm not talking about the death or life of the man in the real world, i'm talking about the reputation of the man

you can kill a man two ways:

  1. kill him physically, stab him in the chest. but if he is a hero, he can still be a hero. his good name still lives

  2. kill his good name, kill him in the realm of the metaphysical. for example, you can besmirch a good man's reputation. accuse him of being a pedophile and planting fake evidence of that, for example. he might still live as a physical person, his heart might be still beating, but you've killed him in the metaphysical world

do you understand now?

stop mixing up the two realms. then you can begin to make sense and talk about what karma is and what it really means with some understanding of the concept


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Of course I understand (2.50 / 2) (#79)
by 4343 on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 07:53:36 PM EST

It just happens to be irrelevant, both to me and to Jack Valenti. It's not Karma that some random guy on the internet takes offence at what I write. It's not Karma that people speak badly of Jack Valenti after he died. Even though you believe it exists just because you decide to believe in it (omg, circularreasoningtimessquare ftw), these things affect neither me nor Jack Valenti. Ie, the Karma you believe in is a delusion.

K5: Yawn in 60 seconds --Liar
[ Parent ]
if enough people believe it (none / 1) (#90)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 07:43:50 AM EST

it is so

call it emergent phenomenon

and i can see you rolling your eyes already, because if enough people believe in leprechauns, it doesn't mean they exist

if that is still your complaint, then yet again, you fail to understand the difference between the physical and the metaphysical

if enough people believe in something METAPHYSICAL, simply enough people believing in that makes that METAPHYSICAL thing real

understand?


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

No, that's false (none / 1) (#92)
by 4343 on Tue May 01, 2007 at 08:53:02 AM EST

The metaphysical isn't dependent on the number of people believing in it. Descartes' cogito existed when he invented it. Sure the idea of Karma exists, it just happens to be wishful thinking. You see, even if metaphysical ideas exist, they aren't necessarily true. Plato's ontology is bollocks. In that respect, there's no significant difference between the belief in Karma and the belief in leprechauns. Despite the number of people believing in Karma, Jack Valenti lived a long and successful life, and was well respected by his fellow crooks. Yes, he died. He was 85. He had it coming to him, Karma or not. There's no self-fulfilling prophecy there, we're all going to die.

K5: Yawn in 60 seconds --Liar
[ Parent ]
you keep talking about the real world (none / 1) (#97)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:16:10 AM EST

as if it has any value about what we are talking about

you continually lack the ability to understand that the metaphysical is different than the physical

in the realm of the metaphysical, if something metaphysical is believed in, it exists... only in the metaphysical

do you fucking understand that?

or do you insist on trying to disprove that with real physical examples when i am NOT in any way talking about anything physical or real?

you can kill a man's good name in the realm of the metaphysical. karma exists concerning someone's good name... in the METAPHYSICAL. karma is confined by, and only exists in, the realm of human minds

do you fucking understand the difference between the metaphysical and physical?

this has to be the 4th time i've asked you. this has to be the 4th time you've completely been unable to demonstrate that you understand the fucking simple concept

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

You brought up the real world (none / 1) (#104)
by 4343 on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:47:54 AM EST

The key here is "self-fulfilling prophecy". You claim Karma has an effect on the real world.

K5: Yawn in 60 seconds --Liar
[ Parent ]
show me where i ever said that (none / 1) (#106)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:56:01 AM EST

what i have actually been saying, loudly and repeatedly to you, is to understand the difference between the physical and metaphysical

you apparently can't

a self-fulfilling prophecy can only be about real world things? you can't have a self-fulfilling prophecy about metaphysical things?

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

I can (none / 1) (#108)
by 4343 on Tue May 01, 2007 at 12:15:52 PM EST

But you can't. You don't know anything about metaphysics. It's not some kind of fantasyland totally removed from the physical. On the contrary, metaphysics is the branch of philosophy concerned with the nature of the real world, physis. Then there is the more spiritual New Age kind, which is more concerned with mental leprechauns and all sorts of modern superstitions. Then on the one hand, you claim that "if there is such a thing as karma, you've got something coming to you. mainly a painful reacclimatization with what's more imnportant than what" (i.e. a prediction placed firmly in the real), which you now turn into "a self-fulfilling prophecy about metaphysical things", which won't be painful in any conceivable way. The fact is, you don't argue shit, you just spew out atomic statements with no connection between them whatsoever. Your logic isn't flawed, because there is none.

K5: Yawn in 60 seconds --Liar
[ Parent ]
it's very simple darling (none / 1) (#111)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 12:29:09 PM EST

if enough people believe something, about that which only goes on in their heads, and they have a word for it, it is so. there is no further justification needed, because IT ONLY EXISTS IN THEIR HEADS

it's really quite that simple

but you now go ahead and sneer and throw rocks at that simple concept all you like, or question the verbiage i use to describe this. or bring up completely unrelated issues like real world phenomenon. whatever. my point still stands, completely untouched by you

you've lost the argument. just admit it like a man, or continue to scream and whine

zzz


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

You don't seem to read at all. (none / 0) (#114)
by 4343 on Tue May 01, 2007 at 12:42:34 PM EST



K5: Yawn in 60 seconds --Liar
[ Parent ]
relfecting my complaint about you (none / 1) (#118)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 12:55:34 PM EST

back at me, is not a witty comeback

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
That wasn't your complaint, idiot. (none / 0) (#119)
by 4343 on Tue May 01, 2007 at 01:21:57 PM EST



K5: Yawn in 60 seconds --Liar
[ Parent ]
my complaint was (none / 1) (#120)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 01:24:52 PM EST

you didn't fucking understand what i said, even after saying it 5x in a row

in other words, that was my complaint

idiot


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

I understand it perfectly (none / 0) (#121)
by 4343 on Tue May 01, 2007 at 01:36:37 PM EST

You just happen to be wrong.

K5: Yawn in 60 seconds --Liar
[ Parent ]
i'm wrong (none / 1) (#122)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 02:27:53 PM EST

there is no difference between the metaphysical and the physical

wow, i am floored

i learn some amazing things on teh intarnets from the geniuses there


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Yeah, because that's what I said, right? (3.00 / 2) (#123)
by 4343 on Tue May 01, 2007 at 03:07:58 PM EST

No, it wasn't.

You simply don't know what metaphysics is, and the claim that it is "about that which only goes on in their heads" is simply something you've pulled out of your arse.

K5: Yawn in 60 seconds --Liar
[ Parent ]

got it (1.33 / 3) (#124)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 03:30:30 PM EST

ignore the point i'm making and focus on word definitions instead and thereby disprove my original point

!?

focus on semantics, idiotsan, not syntax

you know what those words mean, right?

(snicker)


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Yes, I know what those words mean, you don't (none / 0) (#125)
by 4343 on Tue May 01, 2007 at 03:50:25 PM EST

Semantics concerns the meaning of words (word definitions), syntax concerns the ordering of words (grammar). First you blame me for being overly focused on word definitions (semantics), then you demand that I focus on semantics instead of syntax, which I haven't mentioned at all so far.

You should stop snickering now.

K5: Yawn in 60 seconds --Liar
[ Parent ]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA (1.00 / 3) (#126)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 04:24:41 PM EST

you're such a moron

you still don't fucking get it: you don't try to understand what i say, and you think you have a point to me by getting all literal and uppity instead of just looking at the simple fucking point i was making

whatever loser

just be a man and fess up

or don't. why think when you can be stubborn, right?

truly you are a great mind ;-P


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

So I should ignore the meaning of your words (none / 0) (#127)
by 4343 on Tue May 01, 2007 at 04:32:07 PM EST

And listen to the point you make using these words, that means something entirely different from what you think you're saying? Sorry, but that's impossible.

K5: Yawn in 60 seconds --Liar
[ Parent ]
oh. my. god. (none / 0) (#133)
by circletimessquare on Wed May 02, 2007 at 12:11:52 AM EST

someday i think you'll find that stubbornness is not a suitable replacement for intelligence

good luck to you kid


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

lofl (3.00 / 2) (#137)
by spasticfraggle on Wed May 02, 2007 at 03:14:49 AM EST

someday i think you'll find that stubbornness is not a suitable replacement for intelligence

Indeed, but he's not likely to learn it from you is he? ^_^

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I'm the straw that broke the camel's back!
[ Parent ]

Well said ... $ (none / 0) (#141)
by icastel on Wed May 02, 2007 at 12:40:02 PM EST




-- I like my land flat --
[ Parent ]
Not everything has to be "big picture" (1.50 / 2) (#53)
by hatshepsut on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 12:53:09 PM EST

CTS, I understand that you have a big picture of the world and the changes that you think are needed, but not every story, every life, every person has to fit into it in some way.

The instigator of the DMCA is dead. This is news. The news was put into context in a very interesting way (the write-up) with lots of nifty clicky links. Sure, Jack Valenti wasn't a mass murderer, a kidnapper, a political tyrant (well, ok, a case could be made for that) or whatever, but it is news that he is dead.

I don't think that it warrants a personal attack (such as "asswipe"), even if you don't agree with the sentiment.

[ Parent ]

hey asswipe (2.00 / 4) (#58)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:10:58 PM EST

taking joy in someone's death who wasn't a killer themselves is wrong, asswipe

that observqation trumps all the pretty clickies

asswipe


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

He didn't do it alone (2.80 / 5) (#36)
by livus on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 07:51:36 PM EST

there were legion behind him. Celebrating his death is a bit like celebrating the death of someone who invented a weapon.

My favourite Valenti moment was when he testified before a congressional subcommittee that basically designer rip-off handbags and pirated DVDs fund terrorism.

Hmm which was also reported at k5.

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The dude was NOT Alfred Nobel $ (none / 1) (#38)
by localroger on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 10:39:45 PM EST



I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds -- J. Robert Oppenheimer
[ Parent ]
wtf (none / 1) (#40)
by livus on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:09:09 AM EST

I'm against everything the MPAA and Valenti stood for.

If you (like me) lived in a region 4 country where half of what you find in the shops is region 3 and everything you buy off amazon is region 1, you too would appreciate exactly how inconvenient it gets even supposing you're happy paying for everything.

His death has not changed anything.

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HIREZ substitute.
be concrete asshole, or shut up. - CTS
I guess I skipped school or something to drink on the internet? - lonelyhobo
I'd like to hope that any impression you got about us from internet forums was incorrect. - debillitatus
I consider myself trolled more or less just by visiting the site. HollyHopDrive

[ Parent ]

whut (none / 1) (#46)
by tsunami on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 11:01:51 AM EST

a) why is half of what you find in shops in NZ region 3?  All legit DVDs (that I know of) in Oz are region 4.
b) why does it matter anymore anyway?  Aren't pretty much all DVD players all-region nowadays?


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I also saw a madman crazily pumping this polygon thing to roughly the same timing as a functional wank. - A Trolled An Anonymised Englishman
[ Parent ]
Region free is true. (3.00 / 2) (#50)
by OzJuggler on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 12:04:05 PM EST

On the top models from Sony and Philips you don't even have to take it to a dodgy eletronics shop to get modded any more. The retailer GIVES you a piece of paper describing the secret button sequence on the remote control that unlocks the DVD player to all regions.

I don't know who the CCA think they're kidding, but it's not us.

- OzJuggler.

[ Parent ]

Our retailers must do that for us? (none / 0) (#85)
by livus on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 10:02:09 PM EST

Ours was region free straight out of the box. Didn't have to do anything.

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HIREZ substitute.
be concrete asshole, or shut up. - CTS
I guess I skipped school or something to drink on the internet? - lonelyhobo
I'd like to hope that any impression you got about us from internet forums was incorrect. - debillitatus
I consider myself trolled more or less just by visiting the site. HollyHopDrive

[ Parent ]
Which brand? When? Where? -nt (none / 0) (#94)
by OzJuggler on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:02:40 AM EST



[ Parent ]
mitsubishi black diamond (none / 0) (#129)
by livus on Tue May 01, 2007 at 07:56:03 PM EST

a few years ago.

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HIREZ substitute.
be concrete asshole, or shut up. - CTS
I guess I skipped school or something to drink on the internet? - lonelyhobo
I'd like to hope that any impression you got about us from internet forums was incorrect. - debillitatus
I consider myself trolled more or less just by visiting the site. HollyHopDrive

[ Parent ]
Really? (none / 0) (#86)
by livus on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 10:08:53 PM EST

a) NZ is small, and I buy a lot of weird crap. Much of the "latest release" stuff in mainstream shops is quite possibly region 4 but that hasn't been my buying experience - things have a region warning but if it's the only copy I'm going to take it. I think everyone here picks things up where they can. All my Australian and NZ films are region 4 though, even if I buy them online.

b) computer DVD players aren't - if you know of one that is, please tell me.  

My home player is fine and plays everything, but my computers are all hell bent on region locking themselves. Seems archaic in this day and age. For reasons I don't want to go into I want to play a range of films on these machines and had to make myself a chart - turns out I have all 5 types of DVD; zones 1-4 plus zoneless.

I'm working on that problem of course, but in the meantime it's extremely irritating.

---
HIREZ substitute.
be concrete asshole, or shut up. - CTS
I guess I skipped school or something to drink on the internet? - lonelyhobo
I'd like to hope that any impression you got about us from internet forums was incorrect. - debillitatus
I consider myself trolled more or less just by visiting the site. HollyHopDrive

[ Parent ]

so update the firmware on the drive (none / 1) (#87)
by tsunami on Tue May 01, 2007 at 03:10:29 AM EST

to make it region-free. I did that to my last DVD-ROM drive... was a Pioneer of some sort I think.


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I also saw a madman crazily pumping this polygon thing to roughly the same timing as a functional wank. - A Trolled An Anonymised Englishman
[ Parent ]
I'm getting to that (none / 0) (#128)
by livus on Tue May 01, 2007 at 07:55:19 PM EST

in fact the last drive I bought, I bought one that is known to be easily flashable. I thought I had sourced a download for it but now their site isn't working. :-(

When I get time I'll probably do it. Basically I need to organise a system to rip everything at home but havent got round to it yet.

The one in my laptop on the other hand is obscure and I don't like fucking with laptops, so I just play Region 1 in it (my largest number of films are region one)

---
HIREZ substitute.
be concrete asshole, or shut up. - CTS
I guess I skipped school or something to drink on the internet? - lonelyhobo
I'd like to hope that any impression you got about us from internet forums was incorrect. - debillitatus
I consider myself trolled more or less just by visiting the site. HollyHopDrive

[ Parent ]

yeah laptops are a bitch (none / 1) (#131)
by tsunami on Tue May 01, 2007 at 10:01:33 PM EST

i haven't flashed my laptop dvd drive but i don't really watch that many (any?) dvds on it anyway, I tend to watch ripped stuff.  And most of my DVDs are r4 anyway. Agreed that they should all be region-free out of the box.


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I also saw a madman crazily pumping this polygon thing to roughly the same timing as a functional wank. - A Trolled An Anonymised Englishman
[ Parent ]
yeah (none / 0) (#136)
by livus on Wed May 02, 2007 at 02:34:20 AM EST

Laptops are weird. I used to just watch divx but atm I don't have a good net connection so I keep picking up dvds.

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HIREZ substitute.
be concrete asshole, or shut up. - CTS
I guess I skipped school or something to drink on the internet? - lonelyhobo
I'd like to hope that any impression you got about us from internet forums was incorrect. - debillitatus
I consider myself trolled more or less just by visiting the site. HollyHopDrive

[ Parent ]
just to clarify (none / 0) (#130)
by livus on Tue May 01, 2007 at 08:04:45 PM EST

my point above isn't that my problems are in any way unsurmountable, my point is just that out-of-the-box legit use is a pain in the ass.

I'm in the middle of something quite time consuming right about now and have been backsliding, which is how I've even come to notice the above.

---
HIREZ substitute.
be concrete asshole, or shut up. - CTS
I guess I skipped school or something to drink on the internet? - lonelyhobo
I'd like to hope that any impression you got about us from internet forums was incorrect. - debillitatus
I consider myself trolled more or less just by visiting the site. HollyHopDrive

[ Parent ]

MOVETO TEH STATES LOL $ (none / 0) (#107)
by debillitatus on Tue May 01, 2007 at 10:11:01 AM EST


Damn you and your daily doubles, you brigand!
[ Parent ]

he wasn't adolf eichmann either, you retard nt (2.20 / 5) (#64)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:35:25 PM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
You forgot the scare quotes (1.50 / 4) (#52)
by sholden on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 12:36:58 PM EST

should read: "free" trade agreements.

--
The world's dullest web page


War Veteran (1.57 / 7) (#60)
by Roman on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:15:53 PM EST

Jack Valenti was a war veteran, a wartime bomber pilot.  As a young pilot in the Army Air Corps in World War II, Lieutenant Valenti flew 51 combat missions as the pilot-commander of a B-25 attack bomber with the 12th Air Force in Italy. He was decorated with the Distinguished Flying Cross, the Air Medal with four clusters, the Distinguished Unit Citation with one cluster, the European Theater Ribbon with four battle stars. He has a B.A. from the University of Houston (doing all his undergraduate work at night, working during the day). He graduated from Harvard with an M.B.A. In 1952, he co-founded the advertising/political consulting agency of Weekley & Valenti.

What have you done for your country, ass wipes, stole some music?

exACTLY. thank you nt (1.40 / 5) (#63)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:34:15 PM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Well, see... (2.00 / 3) (#75)
by NoMoreNicksLeft on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 03:15:25 PM EST

I didn't know his country was Italy. I have some newfound respect for him that he liberated his home from the fascists.

Oh wait, he was from the US? How in the fuck did that do anything for us, were the wops getting ready to stage an invasion of the east coast?

--
Do not look directly into laser with remaining good eye.
[ Parent ]

what are your heroic achievements (1.60 / 5) (#76)
by Roman on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 03:22:37 PM EST

besides attacking the dead, of-course?

[ Parent ]
yeah... (1.50 / 2) (#135)
by kuro5hinatportkardotnet on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:54:25 AM EST

If a man builds a thousand bridges and sucks one dick, they don't call him a bridge-builder... they call him a cocksucker.

 

Libertarian is the label used by embarrassed Republicans that long to be open about their greed, drug use and porn collections.
[ Parent ]
I wonder (1.50 / 2) (#140)
by Roman on Wed May 02, 2007 at 08:46:19 AM EST

I wonder what they'll tell about you

[ Parent ]
Irrelevant. (2.40 / 5) (#138)
by slaida1 on Wed May 02, 2007 at 04:34:45 AM EST

He was a war veteran? OTOH, he had also five fingers. What has that anything to do with the subject? Nothing.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. It does not make any sense.

"But but.. he's a war hero veteran martyr hotdog(whine)!!"

Haha! *points finger*



[ Parent ]
it has everything to do with the subject (1.25 / 4) (#139)
by Roman on Wed May 02, 2007 at 08:45:52 AM EST

the guy is dead and people are pissing on his grave,  and this is how they treat war veterans.

Cheers.

[ Parent ]

Yes, some other subject far away. (3.00 / 2) (#146)
by slaida1 on Thu May 03, 2007 at 02:10:12 AM EST

People don't piss on his grave because he was a war veteran.

They piss on his grave for other reasons and it doesn't fix anything if he was a vet or good samaritan or something.

What, you think after bombing people good 50 years ago it's a free ride after then to do anything he wishes without anyone complaining? If anything it's yet another shameful stain on his memory that he killed or helped kill other human beings.

[ Parent ]

"Killed or helped kill" (none / 1) (#147)
by Peaker on Thu May 03, 2007 at 10:48:28 AM EST

Yeah, we shouldn't have fought the Nazis, we should have let them rape the entirety of Europe, Africa and Asia. Enslave everyone and kill all the Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, etc.

That would have been a much more moral thing to do.

And therefore, all of those who participated in killing the Nazi war machine only have a shameful stain on their memory.

Wow, man, you suck.

[ Parent ]

You only get to claim morality... (none / 0) (#149)
by NoMoreNicksLeft on Thu May 03, 2007 at 04:23:04 PM EST

If you're out rescuing people all the time. The US doesn't do this. We ignore genocides all over the place.

The truth is, there were those people that thought we should have just let the Nazis rape europe anyway, and they would have, but they had other reasons to fight that war. So give up all the sanctimonious bullshit already.

--
Do not look directly into laser with remaining good eye.
[ Parent ]

The US may not be moral (none / 0) (#153)
by Peaker on Fri May 04, 2007 at 09:47:42 AM EST

I never claimed the US was moral so your claim is irrelevant.

I claimed the specific act of killing, in the context of fighting the Nazi war machine, was moral, against the silly pacifist views exposed in the grand-grand-parent.  So the US happened to do this one moral thing. Whether or not the US is moral is out of the scope of my comments.


[ Parent ]

Fighting the nazi war machine... (none / 0) (#155)
by NoMoreNicksLeft on Fri May 04, 2007 at 12:25:27 PM EST

Was completely amoral. None who fought it fought it for moral reasons, and regarding the individuals who fought, almost all of them to right down to the last was conscripted. They were forced to.

How can something be moral to do if you're only doing it because you were forced to by a government that was protecting the interest of the powerful? Britain wanted us in the damn war, and they no doubt manipulated our government into it, with the express permission of their cronies in office.

Unless of course, you meant only that hypothetically someone could have fought them and that action been moral. But it never happened.

--
Do not look directly into laser with remaining good eye.
[ Parent ]

BS, noone forced my grandfather to fight that war (1.50 / 2) (#159)
by Roman on Fri May 04, 2007 at 04:49:53 PM EST

He went himself, but of-course living in Ukraine placed him very close to the action and he saw what Nazis were doing to the civilians, namely shooting and burning them.  Fucktard.

[ Parent ]
Morality (none / 0) (#160)
by Peaker on Fri May 04, 2007 at 09:38:42 PM EST

You do make a point, that some individual soldiers did not make a conscious moral decision to join the war (though there were many, perhaps most, who considered the war a moral cause and a disgrace not to fight in).

However, even if all soldiers conscripted forcefully - the only way it could be immoral for soldiers to fight, is if the only moral course of action for them is to refuse to fight. Since the war was a moral one, refusing to fight would be immoral and fighting it - moral, and thus there was no "shame" as the Nth-grand parent tried to attach for fighting the war as a soldier.


[ Parent ]

This argument is unadulterated horseshit... (none / 1) (#156)
by debillitatus on Fri May 04, 2007 at 03:26:52 PM EST

because it makes no differentiation between someone who acts morally some of the time and none of the time.

I don't think you've thought this line of reasoning through at all.

Damn you and your daily doubles, you brigand!
[ Parent ]

Don't dodge it. A kill is a kill. (none / 1) (#150)
by slaida1 on Fri May 04, 2007 at 03:34:26 AM EST

I took the liberty to shorten your reply into "But they were nazis and we saved the world!".

First, there is no we. They killed, they died, they fought. Even if you were there then, which I doubt, you are still only you, not we. And Jack was only Jack.

Let's not godwin this thread and go anymore offtopic it already is. Tags in the original story contain 'DRM' and 'MPAA'. There aren't words 'war' or 'veteran' anywhere in the story or its tags. Yet this one Roman guy here thinks it is somehow relevant that Jack flew a plane and dropped bombs.

When I pointed out it isn't, you pop up telling me something even more irrelevant about nazis. Fascinating. Maybe after this reply, some third person appears out of nowhere telling me something still more irrelevant.



[ Parent ]
Relevance (2.00 / 2) (#154)
by Peaker on Fri May 04, 2007 at 09:49:26 AM EST

My comment was relevant to its parent comment. I don't really give a damn about the story relevance, when someone claims killing Nazis was an immoral act.

Killing Nazis was moral and anyone claiming otherwise is an idiot -- and should be answered.

[ Parent ]

There would be no you (1.33 / 3) (#158)
by Roman on Fri May 04, 2007 at 04:47:30 PM EST

if the Nazis weren't stopped, unless you were on their side may have been a good slave today.

Fuck you, retard.

[ Parent ]

No point repeating 'irrelevant' anymore. (none / 1) (#162)
by slaida1 on Mon May 07, 2007 at 05:44:44 AM EST

Your subject line alone tells me that you won't get it. Maybe you believe in afterlife because that would make it bit more logical. Not by much, though. Haha.

There would be no me or you either if some caveman war thousands of years ago would've gone differently. I wasn't born then and I wasn't born when ww2 was fought.

Are you offering your worthless gratitude to all vets, even our monkey ancestors who surely fought and died a lot way back then? Or just the most recent?

Yes I'm sure monkeys would appreciate your gratitude appropriately by flinging poo at you.

Appeal to emotion, play the nazi card and throw ad hominems. Some day you'll win the internet with those aces up your sleeve.

[ Parent ]

blah blah blah (none / 0) (#163)
by Roman on Mon May 07, 2007 at 05:57:28 PM EST

Your subject line alone tells me that you won't get it. Maybe you believe in afterlife because that would make it bit more logical. Not by much, though. Haha. - I am an atheist and don't believe in shit until you prove that it exists.  Oh, and if you are judging about someone by a headline, you are a fucktard.

Are you offering your worthless gratitude to all vets, even our monkey ancestors who surely fought and died a lot way back then? Or just the most recent? - I am not pissing on their graves, if that's what you are after.

Yes I'm sure monkeys would appreciate your gratitude appropriately by flinging poo at you. - you are dodging it, Valenti was no monkey.

Appeal to emotion, play the nazi card and throw ad hominems. Some day you'll win the internet with those aces up your sleeve. - all that vs pissing on a dead guy's grave.  Maybe you should have approached him while he was alive and tried pissing on him, then it would've been more fair (he would most likely kick your sorry ass too,) the way you are doing it now is disgraceful.

[ Parent ]

at least they know where his grave is. (1.33 / 3) (#148)
by Roman on Thu May 03, 2007 at 11:52:50 AM EST

People don't piss on his grave because he was a war veteran. - I don't see those, who piss on graves as people anyway.

They piss on his grave for other reasons and it doesn't fix anything if he was a vet or good samaritan or something. - they should be sticking those insignificant little "pipiska's" of theirs where it belongs, up their own asses.

What, you think after bombing people good 50 years ago it's a free ride after then to do anything he wishes without anyone complaining? If anything it's yet another shameful stain on his memory that he killed or helped kill other human beings. - interesting point of view.  Next time someone decides to kill all of your friends and relatives and neighbours, you should just roll over and let them, so that you wouldn't suffer the terrible shame of killing them first.  You don't even deserve a dog to piss on your grave, you little maggot.

[ Parent ]

I certainly didn't BOMB PEOPLE. /nt (none / 0) (#151)
by ksandstr on Fri May 04, 2007 at 08:47:32 AM EST



Fin.
[ Parent ]
Ouch (none / 0) (#157)
by Roman on Fri May 04, 2007 at 04:45:58 PM EST

Yeah, we should have let the Nazis just take over the world because bombing them (they are people too) would not be a nice thing to do.

[ Parent ]
But, but, but, ... (2.00 / 2) (#152)
by walwyn on Fri May 04, 2007 at 09:15:54 AM EST

... stealing music makes you a hero.

----
Professor Moriarty - Bugs, Sculpture, Tombs, and Stained Glass
[ Parent ]
a real observation, this story is retarded: (1.80 / 15) (#61)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 01:33:19 PM EST

jack valenti died on april 26

he had a long and influential career in hollywood, his most influential contribution of which...

...i said, his most influential contribution of which, pay attention fuckknobs with their heads so far up their asses they can't see beyond thier small selfish world...

...was its movie rating system. not the dmca

the movie rating system is much reviled and hated and ridiculed by many. but it did help prevent the government from stepping in and policing hollywood, allowing hollywood to police itself. in such a way, jack valenti kept the hand of government out of the creative process of many a hollywood movie

his death ends an era in hollywood that will not be missed by many, but certainly can't be summed up in...

i said certainly can't be summed up in...

...one small facet thereof

do you understand that point you dimwitted assholes?

and if one were to still go ahead and commit the sin of narrowminded fundamentalism by focusing on one small facet of the man's life, to then go further than that and celebrate the man's death because of that small facet ONLY HURTS THE CAUSE SUCH A PERSON CARES ABOUT, BY REVEALING SAID PERSON TO BE AN EMPTY CALLOW ASSHOLE NOT WORTHY OF ANY SYMPATHY FOR THEIR CAUSE

the dmca is an evil upon this earth. i REPEAT: the dmca is PURE EVIL. are we clear on where my sympathies lie?

however, the fight against the dmca wins no converts by people who celebrate the death of another human being because of it. because life is a lot more fucking important than the fucking dmca. i repeat: human life is WAY MORE FUCKING IMPORTANT THAN THE FUCKING DMCA. has that sunk in yet you dense fucks? it's called priorities you autistic morons. could some of you braindead twits try to get some?

it in fact turns away people from such a cause to celebrate a man's death because of the dmca. because no cause so populated by fundamentalist pricks is worthy of sympathy. understand you braindead pricks?

i want the dmca defeated. IN PURSUIT OF THAT GOAL, i want you assholes to SHUT THE FUCK UP, because stories like this ONLY HURT THE CAUSE YOU SAY YOU CARE ABOUT. you want to defeat the dmca? good! but by your actions, like this story, and some of you fuckknob's comments below, you HURT THAT CAUSE

fucking low iq morons

grow a fucking brain, you useless dimwitted turds

do you hate fundamentalists like osama bin laden? do you hate neocons like dick cheney?

guess what retards: when you celebrate the death of a man over the fucking dmca, you are a fundamentalist: chop off a man's hand for stealing. you are a neocon: human death in the pursuit of strategic goals is unimportant. want to know how dick cheney and osama bin laden think? look into your own hearts when you celebrate jack valenti's death...

over the fucking dmca

!?

wtf?! what a bunch of cretinous losers

seriously


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

Wow! (2.50 / 6) (#74)
by NoMoreNicksLeft on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 03:13:12 PM EST

the movie rating system is much reviled and hated and ridiculed by many. but it did help prevent the government from stepping in and policing hollywood, allowing hollywood to police itself. in such a way, jack valenti kept the hand of government out of the creative process of many a hollywood movie

So you're saying Valenti was the Vichy government of Hollywood, stepping up to the plate so that the Nazis could focus their attention elsewhere?

--
Do not look directly into laser with remaining good eye.
[ Parent ]

i'm saying (2.25 / 4) (#77)
by circletimessquare on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 05:46:08 PM EST

that if you focus all of your vitriole on valenti, you don't even begin to understand or solve your real problem


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Who says we're focusing ALL of it? (2.00 / 4) (#82)
by localroger on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 09:22:59 PM EST

Look, Valenti was as symbol. It was his choice to be that kind of symbol. It wasn't some mantle thrust upon him by outrageous circumstance, he sought it out. And what he symbolized, for a whole lot of us, is censorship.

This is a very great conflict. I am in no way as far out on this as Richard Stallman, but I did form the opinion very young that censorship is evil -- all censorship, for any reason. I'm serious. I sincerely believe in what the American founders wrote, that you cannot have a free society with an open path to forward progress if you declare certain thoughts unthinkable.

Valenti dedicated his life to the censorship of mass media. His are the velvet-toothed jackals that decide whether your movie is just a little to risque' and therefore tagged with an "unmarketable" rating. He wants you to never be able to own either your own music or your own copy of a TV broadcast or movie. He wants his wealthy friends to control those things forever.

Your claim that death trumps all is contradicted by countless real life examples, a metric buttload of them originating in the insurance industry. For many of us a symbol of evil has fallen. Yes his falling is meaningless because there are legions behind him, yes it would have been nicer if he had been removed from the equation by being seduced by a 18 year old starlet and retiring in Switzerland. I don't really care why the old fascist windbag is gone I'm just GLAD HE IS. So are a lot of other people. And your vitriol is misplaced if you think that's a bad thing.

I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds -- J. Robert Oppenheimer
[ Parent ]

why do i hate osama bin laden? (none / 1) (#89)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 07:41:18 AM EST

because he represents fundamentalism. teachings that rejoice in the death of others simply because they do not abide by your agenda

the point would be to find a world without fundamentalism, of any kind, at all

but apparently, for someone like you, rather than looking for no fundamentalism in this world, you merely want a different kind of fundamentalism


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

You keep using this word 'fundamentalism.' (3.00 / 2) (#96)
by localroger on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:08:20 AM EST

I do not think it means what you think it means.

I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds -- J. Robert Oppenheimer
[ Parent ]
then define it for me oh great swami (1.50 / 2) (#98)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:20:13 AM EST

in such a way that taking delight in the death of another human being who is not a murderer himself is not fundamentalist in nature

fundamentalism is taking any tenet, religious, nationalistic, political, etc., and positing it as more important than human life

this is the rationale that allows people to slay other human beings for religious and/ or political reasons

but please, by all means, go ahead and readjust my lowly nonunderstanding self

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Definition (2.66 / 3) (#109)
by localroger on Tue May 01, 2007 at 12:18:14 PM EST

As the name suggests, fundamentalism involves rigid adherence to the first principles of a religion or other belief system. It has nothing to do, directly, with whether you are willing to murder. Quakers, Amish, and Mennonites are all fundamentalists.

Now you keep throwing that word at me and you will have a long search for the belief system whose principles I am clinging to. As I've written here I do not even rigidly subscribe to the notion that the universe exists, at least in the form it appears to.

What we have here, rather, is the opposite of fundamentalism; I reject your arbitrary assertion that the value of a human life is eight lying on its side. And as I keep saying, if you want to press this fight you should start with the insurance industry, because they make decisions that kill people to save a couple of hundred thousand dollars all the time. There is a whole class of business functionaries who like to remind you that you might think your life is worth a million dollars, but it's only really worth a million dollars if you have a million dollars to pay for it. And cemeteries are full of ex cancer patients who found that out the hard way.

I suspect from your ongoing tantrum here that you'd agree that this is evil and should be stopped. I would then humbly suggest that your efforts might be more effectively directed at people whose decisions actually kill people, as opposed to those who drive up the sales of Cabernet Sauvignon whenever a particularly evil person kicks the bucket.

As to my opinion of the late Mr. Valenti, I am perhaps painting myself as a bit of a chickenshit because regardless of my opinion of his works, I wouldn't actually kill him to stop him. But that doesn't mean I'm not glad he's out of the game, and the fact that death generally sucks notwithstanding it's a little silly to claim I shouldn't be.

Anyway, back to the original point, please be explaining to those Quaker, Amish, and Mennonite peaceniks how evil their belief systems are, then get back to me.

I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds -- J. Robert Oppenheimer
[ Parent ]

it's funny you bring up the amish, et al (1.50 / 2) (#116)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 12:45:37 PM EST

as they are amongst the most solidly dependable archconservative republican voting blocks out there

i wonder why that is?

i now direct you to the fine establishment of bush, cheney, rove, and war machine, esquires, who seem to have a passing resemblance to the evils you deride above, but somehow don't register in your mind as something connected to your beloved amish

and yet they are, somehow. how? i leave it to your boundless imagination as to imagine why and how

for me, the conneciton is very simple. fundamentalism always equals more killing and death. the amish, mennonites, etc. only exist within the larger framework of the united states. they don't exist on their own as discreet social units. therefore, in my mind, they are merely part of a whole that includes the effects of their fundamentalism

however, in your mind you wish to use them as discreet examples of fundamentalism, without the effects of fundamentalism. it would be lovely to think of them out of context, wouldn't it? unfortunately for you though, they don't exist out of context. they only exist in the context of the united states

put your beloved amish in the hinterlands of the caucasus mountains and the cultures andf beliefs in that region, and i'd think you'd seem some one of two things:

  1. instant extinction
  2. fine bloodletting in the pursuit of their high holy fundamentalist notions

but left in idyllic lancaster county, and the amish are allowed to spout their pap about being pacifists, without actually being asked to test that notion. they exist within the coccoon of the united states, which pursues its various agendas around the world, ready and willing to embrace bloodletting in the pursuit of that, for which the amish seem all to happy to vote for as well

it must be dandy to embrace a notion you are never actually asked to test. however, as proof for a way o fthinking, i will ask a little more from you please. interesting that notion: context, isn't it?

therefore, your fundamentalism != killing trap has failed to be sprung on me, as the revelation you think you have enlightened me about is not so enlightening as you imagine, now is it?

however, i stand bemused and gratified that towards the end of what you wrote above, you back away from celebtrating in the death of valenti

so i am happy to have played a small part in providing you with the time and space to reflect and realize you are not the fundamentalist you were so proud to be only a few comments beforehand, celebrating in the death of another human being in the pursuit of your agenda

xoxoxoxoxoxoxox


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Dude, you KEEP USING THAT WORD (3.00 / 2) (#145)
by localroger on Wed May 02, 2007 at 06:05:32 PM EST

Words have meanings. You do not know what "fundamentalist" means, and nobody is going to start using your definition just because you are teh great CTS of K5.

The recently departed Robert Anton Wilson liked to call people whose views are similar to yours "fundamentalist materialists." It's a very accurate description. I'm sure you would not agree, because RAW used the definition of "fundamentalist" that everyone else does.

Incidentally, I don't have a lot of time (I am on vacation in the soviet Republic of Canuckistan) but I did want to point out that I am telling you all of this as the other K5 poster child for having something that really sucks happen to your city. I don't know quite how this particular bee got in your bonnet, but I can tell you there are a LOT more constructive things you can be doing if it bothers you that much.

I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds -- J. Robert Oppenheimer
[ Parent ]

fundamentalism (none / 1) (#161)
by circletimessquare on Sun May 06, 2007 at 03:19:35 PM EST

is a rigid interpretation of how humans are supposed to behave, and is therefore unavoidably at war with real human nature, which is, and should be, more flexible

more blood has been, and will be, spilled in the name of fundamentalism (and your favorite crackpot wackadoodle is right in identifying non-religious forms of fundamentalism, which i am not, but the religious forms just happen to be on the uptick currently in terms of how many can we kill in the name of rigidity)

yes, i have a bee in bonnet about fundamentalism, it is the very definition of evil on this planet. i think that makes me extremely well-centered about reality

now you know who i am, now you know my motivation

anythign else i can help you with darling?


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Pssst. That's the new CTS troll pattern. (3.00 / 2) (#93)
by OzJuggler on Tue May 01, 2007 at 08:57:49 AM EST

I can't spell it out, because much like the Borg, as soon as I describe the pattern he will instantly adapt to the sudden exposure and develop a new trolling pattern to which we have little resistance.

It's the f word. No, the other f word. And how he arrives at it. You know what I'm talking about?

Shhh! He's coming back. Act natural.

[ Parent ]

resistance is futile (none / 0) (#143)
by circletimessquare on Wed May 02, 2007 at 05:03:31 PM EST

you will be assimilated


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Hardly (3.00 / 2) (#84)
by livus on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 10:00:12 PM EST

  1. Hollywood was always voluntarily self-policing; almost exactly like what happened with comic books in your country. Valenti's move there was in support of the self-policing majority, to curtail a minority and police the standards of foriegn imports.

  2. The Vichy were almost the exact opposite of this - an unpopular minority which stepped into power to do the work of a foriegn power (often more zealously than that power demanded).


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be concrete asshole, or shut up. - CTS
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I'd like to hope that any impression you got about us from internet forums was incorrect. - debillitatus
I consider myself trolled more or less just by visiting the site. HollyHopDrive

[ Parent ]
amen brother nt (2.00 / 3) (#91)
by circletimessquare on Tue May 01, 2007 at 07:45:18 AM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Valenti was a great man (1.40 / 5) (#100)
by nlscb on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:25:17 AM EST

He fought to protect property rights and American values.

Comment Search has returned - Like a beaten wife, I am pathetically grateful. - mr strange

I don't think Egil will bother 0ing this comment. (none / 0) (#164)
by uid 71137 on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 10:18:03 AM EST



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