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Martin Luther's 'Greatness'

By postDigital in Culture
Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 05:50:52 PM EST
Tags: religion, history (all tags)

Martin Luther'a inherent greatness is not universally believed, nor is it proper to assert without understanding at least part of the substance that lay within the charges of heresy leveled against him.


"I cannot and will not recant anything, for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. Here I stand, I can do no other, so help me God. Amen.

Martin Luther, Diet of Worms, April 18, 1521 - The Columbia World of Quotations, 1996.

One of the most significant charges against Martin Luther, from a contemporary perspective, because of its permanence in the public's consciousness, was his insertion of an extra word into his Bible translation, which directly aided substantiating one of his primary assertions of faith contradicting Papal canon: by faith alone.

The most important example of dogmatic influence in Luther's version is the famous interpolation of the word alone in Rom. 3:28 (allein durch den Glauben), by which he intended to emphasize his solifidian doctrine of justification, on the plea that the German idiom required the insertion for the sake of clearness. But he thereby brought Paul into direct verbal conflict with James, who says (James 2:24), "by works a man is justified, and not only by faith" ("nicht durch den Glauben allein"). It is well known that Luther deemed it impossible to harmonize the two apostles in this article, and characterized the Epistle of James as an "epistle of straw," because it had no evangelical character ("keine evangelische Art").

He therefore insisted on this insertion in spite of all outcry against it. His defense is very characteristic. "If your papist," he says, "makes much useless fuss about the word sola, allein, tell him at once: Doctor Martin Luther will have it so, and says: Papist and donkey are one thing; sic volo, sic jubeo, sit pro ratione voluntas. For we do not want to be pupils and followers of the Papists, but their masters and judges." Then he goes on in the style of foolish boasting against the Papists, imitating the language of St. Paul in dealing with his Judaizing opponents (2 Cor. 11:22 sqq.): "Are they doctors? so am I. Are they learned? so am I. Are they preachers? so am I. Are they theologians? so am I. Are they disputators? so am I. Are they philosophers? so am I. Are they the writers of books? so am I. And I shall further boast: I can expound Psalms and Prophets; which they can not. I can translate; which they can not .... Therefore the word allein shall remain in my New Testament, and though all pope-donkeys (Papstesel) should get furious and foolish, they shall not turn it out."

Philip Schaff's History of the Christian Church, New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1910; Luther's Translation of the Bible; The Protestant Spirit of Luther's Version

Given the era, calling James an "epistle of straw", and the Pope a "Papstesel", would rationally be a cause for indictment under charges of sedition and heresy. They were harsh dangerous words to be throwing at a Biblical apostle, and the Pope, in front of subjects of the Holy Roman Emperor, especially since it was that very ass of a Pope, who sceptered the Emperor's divine right.

It is also noteworthy, that Martin Luther's greatness is disputed by many Catholics, along with their disputation of his words' divinity. In The Catholic Encyclopedia's article on Martin Luther can be found the assertion that Martin Luther was afflicted with "an evident congenital inheritance", which made him prone to fly off into fits of rage. This, when considered along with his early home environment of "extreme simplicity and inflexible severity", including unmerciful beatings, gives one pause to contemplate Martin Luther's sanity. The article also alleges that Martin Luther's decision to enter into a monastical order was itself influenced, not primarily by faith, but was the harvest of these seeds sown from the past of deep and dark psychological motivations:

Luther's sudden and unexpected entrance into the Augustinian monastery at Erfurt occurred 17 July, 1505. The motives that prompted the step are various, conflicting, and the subject of considerable debate. He himself alleges, as above stated, that the brutality of his home and school life drove him into the monastery.

The article even goes further, and makes the claim that Martin Luther lied about his own biographical facts, as a grounding for his heresy:

Of Luther's monastic life we have little authentic information, and that is based on his own utterances, which his own biographers frankly admit are highly exaggerated, frequently contradictory, and commonly misleading. Thus the alleged custom by which he was forced to change his baptismal name Martin into the monastic name Augustine, a proceeding he denounces as "wicked" and "sacrilegious", certainly had no existence in the Augustinian Order. His accidental discovery in the Erfurt monastery library of the Bible, "a book he had never seen in his life" (Mathesius, op. cit.), or Luther's assertion that he had "never seen a Bible until he was twenty years of age", or his still more emphatic declaration that when Carlstadt was promoted to the doctorate "he had as yet never seen a Bible and I alone in the Erfurt monastery read the Bible", which, taken in their literal sense, are not only contrary to demonstrable facts, but have perpetuated misconception, bear the stamp of improbability written in such obtrusive characters on their face, that it is hard, on an honest assumption, to account for their longevity.

There is great merit to the charge that Martin Luther's arbitrary insertion of an extra word within his translation of Romans 3:28 represented a significant change in the text's meaning:

  • allein durch den Glauben - by faith alone
  • durch den Glauben - by faith

There are many variations of this verse between Biblical translations, some small, yet still significant in implication. Here are some examples of differences between translations of Romans 3:28, and James 2:24:

  • Latin: Nova Vulgata
    • Romans 3:28 - Arbitramur enim iustificari hominem per fidem sine operibus legis.
    • James 2:24 - Videtis quoniam ex operibus iustificatur homo et non ex fide tantum.
  • Luther Bible 1545/1912
    • Roemer 3:28 - So halten wir nun dafür, daß der Mensch gerecht werde ohne des Gesetzes Werke, allein durch den Glauben.
    • Jakobus 2:24 - So sehet ihr nun, daß der Mensch durch die Werke gerecht wird, nicht durch den Glauben allein.
  • New Jerusalem Bible
    • Romans 3:28 - since, as we see it, a person is justified by faith and not by doing what the Law tells him to do.
    • James 2:24 - You see now that it is by deeds, and not only by believing, that someone is justified.
  • King James
    • Romans 3:28 - Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
    • James 2:24 - Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
  • 21st Century King James Version
    • Romans 3:28 - Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
    • James 2:24 - Ye see then how by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
  • Revised English Version/American Standard Version
    • Romans 3:28 - We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
    • James 2:24 - Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith.
  • Darby Translation
    • Romans 3:28 - for we reckon that a man is justified by faith, without works of law.
    • James 2:24 - Ye see that a man is justified on the principle of works, and not on the principle of faith only.
  • Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition
    • Romans 3:28 - For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law.
    • James 2:24 - Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?
  • New Century Version
    • Romans 3:28 - A person is made right with God through faith, not through obeying the law.
    • James 2:24 - So you see that people are made right with God by what they do, not by faith only.
  • New International Version
    • Romans 3:28 - For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.
    • James 2:24 - You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.
  • Wycliffe New Testament
    • Romans 3:28 - For we deem a man to be justified by faith, without works of the law.
    • James 2:24 - Ye see that a man is justified of works, and not of faith only.
  • Young's Literal Translation
    • Romans 3:28 - therefore do we reckon a man to be declared righteous by faith, apart from works of law.
    • James 2:24 - Ye see, then, that out of works is man declared righteous, and not out of faith only;
  • Worldwide English (New Testament)
    • Romans 3:28 - We know that if a person believes in Christ, God makes him right again. It is not because that person has obeyed the law.
    • James 2:24 - You see, a man is a good man because of the things he does, and not just because he believes.
  • New Living Translation
    • Romans 3:28 - So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.
    • James 2:24 - So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone.
  • New International Reader's Version
    • Romans 3:28 - We firmly believe that people are made right with God because of their faith. They are not saved by obeying the law.
    • James 2:24 - So you see that a person is made right with God by what he does. It doesn't happen only because of what he believes.
  • New Life Version (does not follow the same standard of verses in Romans 3-has only 25 verses)
    • Romans 3:16 - So God's promise is given to us because we put our trust in Him. We can be sure of it. It is because of His loving-favor to us. It is for all the family of Abraham. It is for those who obey the Law. It is for those who put their trust in God as Abraham did. In this way, he is the father of all Christians.
    • James 2:24 - A man becomes right with God by what he does and not by faith only.

Martin Luther's conception of "faith alone", is often taken out of context, and presented in a manner leading persons to believe he was asserting there was no need or justification for actions to lead a life of Christian grace. This is a gross distortion of what Luther wrote. What he stated is that actions not motivated from a true faith, from an embrace of the tenets of Christianity, which were instead grounded in a "fear of punishment or love of reward" (next citation), was hypocrisy, and would be judged as such in the final accounting. Martin Luther firmly believed that a true practise of Christian Faith would also be manifest with Christian Acts:

Hence it comes that faith alone makes righteous and fulfils the law; for out of Christ's merit, it brings the Spirit, and the Spirit makes the heart glad and free, as the law requires that it shall be. Thus good works come out of faith. That is what he means in chapter 3, after he has rejected the works of the law, so that it sounds as though he would abolish the law by faith; "Nay," he says, "we establish the law by faith," that is, we fulfill it by faith.

Martin Luther, Luther's Works, vol 35 St. Louis: Concordia, 1963, as published and revised at bible-researcher.com by Michael Marlowe

The distortion of Luther's "Faith Alone", which deflates the value of action to nil, when coupled with the concept of "God helps those who help themselves", has had great impact upon the present-day conceptualisation of the Protestant Work-Ethic. This admixture is applied as a means to stigmatise the down-trodden and poor, implying that it is their own sloth and lack of Christian Faith, which has caused them to fall into their horrible plight, and because of that, they are not worthy recipients of individual/societal charity. A heretical religious justification for the existence of an underclass; a defense of personal avarice and greed, which has no factual grounding in New Testament Biblical texts, and is served up as an assuagement for guilt, after coming face to face with poor-folk.

Martin Luther should be rightfully credited for his greatness, in that he was a primary force in the creation of Protestantism. He helped aid into being, the concept of a secular state, which was built upon by Calvin (see: John Calvin, "Institutes of the Christian Religion", 1536), and was a part of the foundation used in the Creation of America. Yet, Martin Luther was also a force in Protestantism's almost immediate fracturing into schisms during the Reformation:

His attitude hardened toward various sects, especially the Anabaptists, whose growth presented a serious challenge to his conception of the church. His uncompromising attitude in doctrinal matters helped break up the unity of the Reformation that he was anxious to preserve; the controversy with Huldreich Zwingli and later with Calvin over the Lord's Supper divided Protestants into the Lutheran Church and the Reformed Churches. After attempts at union, the Lutherans drew up their own articles of faith in the Augsburg Confession (see creed 4 ), which was written by Melanchthon at the Diet of Augsburg in 1530 with the sanction of Luther, who was not permitted to attend. About this time the control of the Lutheran Church had passed further into the hands of the Protestant princes.

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Martin Luther's 'Greatness' | 42 comments (21 topical, 21 editorial, 0 hidden)
Greatness (none / 0) (#1)
by 138 on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 06:07:03 AM EST

of Luther was in that he grabbed god from the sky and stucked it inside of our heads so that Nietzsche could kill it after few hundred years.

The end. And what a happy ending it is.
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Siili teki maalin.
divine comedy? (none / 1) (#2)
by postDigital on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 06:30:51 AM EST

I am easily amused by others' referencing of Nietzsche, because so few are even capable of understanding that chasing the will to power is a path fraught with dangers, comes at a very high personal cost, and can only be traversed by an uncommon human.

Lo, that pain itself did the same conscience produce; and the last gleam of that conscience still gloweth on thine affliction.

But thou wouldst go the way of thine affliction, which is the way unto thyself? Then show me thine authority and thy strength to do so!

Art thou a new strength and a new authority? A first motion? A perpetual wheel? Canst thou also compel stars to revolve around thee?

Alas! there is so much lusting for loftiness! There are so many convulsions of the ambitions! Show me that thou art not a lusting and ambitious one!

Alas! there are so many great thoughts that do nothing more than the bellows: they inflate, and make emptier than ever.

Free, dost thou call thyself? Thy ruling thought would I hear of, and not that thou hast escaped from a yoke.

Art thou one Entitled to escape from a yoke? Many a one hath cast away his final worth when he hath cast away his servitude.

Free from what? What doth that matter to Zarathustra! Clearly, however, shall thine eye show unto me: free For What?

Canst thou give unto thyself thy bad and thy good, and set up thy will as a law over thee? Canst thou be judge for thyself, and avenger of thy law?

Terrible is aloneness with the judge and avenger of one's own law. Thus is a star projected into desert space, and into the icy breath of aloneness.

To-day sufferest thou still from the multitude, thou individual; to-day hast thou still thy courage unabated, and thy hopes.

But one day will the solitude weary thee; one day will thy pride yield, and thy courage quail. Thou wilt one day cry: "I am alone!"

Friedrich Nietzsche, "Thus Spake Zarathustra", Part 1, Chapter XVII: On The Path of The Creative



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Kind of (none / 0) (#5)
by 138 on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 07:14:06 AM EST

I placed my comment half jokingly. I have read a bit of Nietzsche and one of my friends is writing his doctoral thesis on Nietzsche, so I can ask clarification from him if only I can understand what he is saying. :)

I do not consider myself uncommon in any way, more of a one of the many or many of the one.

Lutheranism is quite familiar for me being Finnish and all. Well, atleast northern european version of it.
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Siili teki maalin.
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Mortal Comedy. (none / 0) (#37)
by k31 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:02:00 PM EST

Half-jokingly or not, the grandparent and its reply did entertain me, because things like N's writings are so exceedingly long that I doubt anyone has actually read very much of them, must less understood them... I certainly gave up after a few days of fighting thru "The Antichrist", or whatever.

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Yeah, I Had A Diet Of Worms Once Too. (none / 1) (#3)
by MichaelCrawford on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 06:51:44 AM EST

But then I got a job.

Hah! Am I Not Teh Funnay? I just kill me sometimes.


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i to like allusions to (3.00 / 2) (#4)
by postDigital on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 07:02:08 AM EST

A "Diet of Worms", as well as "Papal Bull".

For some real Con.Founding twisting, Samuel Adams' musing that Catholics should be excluded from civil society's religious toleration is loaded with context:

"The only Sects which he thinks ought to be, and which by all wise laws are excluded from such toleration, are those who teach Doctrines subversive of the Civil Government under which they live. The Roman Catholicks or Papists are excluded by reason of such Doctrines as these 'that Princes excommunicated may be deposed, and those they call Hereticks may be destroyed without mercy; besides their recognizing the Pope in so absolute a manner, in subversion of Government, by introducing as far as possible into the states, under whose protection they enjoy life, liberty and property, that solecism in politicks, Imperium in imperio leading directly to the worst anarchy and confusion, civil discord, war and blood shed'

Samuel Adams, "The Rights of the Colonists", November 20, 1772

Think about this the next time you hear a Catholic wish nostalgically for The Nation's return to original intent, and the Christian ideals of America's foundations.



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Or Islam (n/t) (none / 0) (#36)
by SnowBlind on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 02:12:14 PM EST



There is but One Kernel, and root is His Prophet.
[ Parent ]
whoa you missed black history month by like 8 days (2.33 / 9) (#8)
by chlorus on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 10:11:47 AM EST


"THROW YOUR HANDS UP AND LET THE CATS DECIDE" - hallo

lol (3.00 / 2) (#9)
by rhiannon on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 01:23:23 PM EST

klerk yourself now

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yuo (1.50 / 2) (#10)
by chlorus on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 02:12:31 PM EST


"THROW YOUR HANDS UP AND LET THE CATS DECIDE" - hallo
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it's spelled k l e r c k (3.00 / 2) (#12)
by The Hanged Man on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 05:03:07 PM EST


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Dificile est saturam non scribere - Juvenal
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should I visit the King Memorial in ATL? (none / 1) (#13)
by GrubbyBeardedHermit on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 06:17:02 PM EST

rate it on a scale of 1 to 10 as a tourist attraction

GBH

+1FP, Martin Luther (2.00 / 3) (#14)
by jxg on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 10:52:21 PM EST

In my preceding pamphlet I had no occasion to condemn the peasants, because they promised to yield to law and better instruction, as Christ also demands (Matt. vii. 1). But before I can turn around, they go out and appeal to force, in spite of their promises, and rob and pillage and act like mad dogs. From this it is quite apparent what they had in their false minds, and that what they put forth under the name of the gospel in the Twelve Articles was all vain pretense. In short, they practice mere devil's work, and it is the arch-devil himself who reigns at Mühlhausen, indulging in nothing but robbery, murder, and bloodshed; as Christ says of the devil in John viii. 44, "he was a murderer from the beginning." Since, therefore, those peasants and miserable wretches allow themselves to be led astray and act differently from what they declared, I likewise must write differently concerning them; and first bring their sins before their eyes, as God commands (Isa. lviii. 1; Ezek. ii. 7), whether perchance some of them may come to their senses; and, further, I would instruct those in authority how to conduct themselves in this matter.

With threefold horrible sins against God and men have these peasants loaded themselves, for which they have deserved a manifold death of body and soul.

First they have sworn to their true and gracious rulers to be submissive and obedient, in accord with God's command (Matt. xxii. 21), "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's," and (Rom. xiii. 1), "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers." But since they have deliberately an sacrilegiously abandoned their obedience, and in addition have dared to oppose their lords, they have thereby forfeited body an soul, as perfidious, perjured, lying, disobedient wretches and scoundrels are wont to do. Wherefore St. Paul judges them, saying (Rom. xiii. 2.), "And they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation." The peasants will incur this sentence, sooner or later; for God wills that fidelity and allegiance shall be sacredly kept.


Empty the countryside.

from the Vulgar Sepsisgent (none / 0) (#17)
by postDigital on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 09:15:28 AM EST

Yesterday, I discovered while studying the body of work comprising the web accompaniment to The PBS Martin Luther series; that upon the entryway into the vestibule of Martin Luther's immortalised estimations, had been nailed 10 disputations of reputation based upon factual trivia regarding his life, three of which I now cite:

1. Alcohol cures all evils - Luther thoroughly approved even advocated drinking heavily. When a young man wrote to him complaining of despair at the prospect of going to hell, Luther wrote back advising him to go and get drunk. That, he said, was what he did when he felt despair.

2. Let's talk about sex - Luther also thoroughly approved of sex; he said that a woman had the right to take on a lover, if her husband wasn't able to satisfy her in bed - and the husband should look on this with equanimity.

and one which offers great illumination upon Luther's earthly motivations:

5. The 'Fish Barrel' incident - Luther's wife was an ex-nun who had managed to escape from her convent by hiding in barrel that had once contained pickled fish.



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This is hilarious (none / 1) (#15)
by Wen Jian on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 05:30:58 AM EST

I can't wait to read it aloud to my Lutheran girlfriend...
It was an experiment in lulz. - Rusty
i had a couple of fills too (none / 0) (#16)
by postDigital on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 08:51:52 AM EST

but got jammed-up on a pre-scheduled conference chat in an EU time zone.

I was going to add to and better arrange the Biblical citations, clearly separating and tagging the Catholic/GermanProtestant/Anglican versions, as well as toss in a Madison citation, hot off the net from Newsweek.

The citation I'm dumping here is much bigger than my original intent, but since it's now addendum, I'll cite excessively. It also relates to a topic I have collected a bit of data about: the great leap of blind faith out over the chasm of fatuity in an attempt to prove that America was founded as a "Christian" nation. and that it needs to return to its original Christian intent. Fine, I believe that colonial Massachusetts is an appropriate era, because the thought of watching the city's elders, "whip wandering Quakers", sounds like an amusing pastime. A value-added bonus would come from the history lesson awaiting the Anabaptists, while being burned at the stake for their aggressive proselytism of wicked heterodoxy.

The segment of the citation relevant to "faith Alone" is in the last paragraph, but you may find the rest possesses its own potential when implementing applications of divine comedy:

Steven Waldman's enlightening new book, 'Founding Faith,' is wise and engaging on many levels, but Waldman has done a particular service in detailing Madison's role in creating a culture of religious freedom that has served America so well for so long. 'As a child, James Madison needed only to look across the dinner table to see the Anglican establishment,' writes Waldman, the editor in chief of Beliefnet and a former NEWSWEEK colleague. Madison's father, James Sr., was a vestry-man of Brick Church in Orange County, Va. 'The church lay leaders (the vestry) had not only religious powers but also the authority to collect taxes and enforce moral laws,' Waldman writes. 'It was they who would declare punishments for those who rode on horseback on the Sabbath or drank too much or cursed.'

A child of the established church, of a world in which one's civil and political rights were linked to one's religious observances and professions, Madison was deeply affected by what he called the 'diabolical, hell-conceived principle of persecution' at work in his native county in the early and mid-1770s. Dissenters-Baptists in those days were dissenters-were being jailed, beaten and harassed (one preacher was nearly drowned by a mob in a mud puddle) by the Anglican establishment, and Madison was horrified. 'I must beg you to pity me,' he wrote a friend, 'and pray for liberty of conscience to all.' Madison ultimately became a kind of Adam Smith of church and state: he believed that the marketplace, if left to its own devices without government interference, would produce stronger religious belief, not weaker.
{. . .}
'Founding Faith' is an excellent book about an important subject: the inescapable'but manageable'intersection of religious belief and public life. With a grasp of history and an understanding of the exigencies of the moment, Waldman finds a middle ground between those who think of the Founders as apostles in powdered wigs and those who assert, equally inaccurately, that the Founders believed religion had no place in politics. Along the way he does justice not only to Madison but to John Leland and Isaac Backus, two Baptists who fought for the separation of church and state on the grounds, to borrow a phrase of Roger Williams, that the 'wilderness of the world' was bad for the 'garden of Christ's church.'

That fervent evangelicals were in the forefront of the fight to secure what Jefferson called the 'wall of separation' is among Waldman's many counterintuitive historical points. He does a good job of correcting what he calls 'common myths,' such as: 'The Founding Fathers wanted religious freedom because they were devout Christians. Most of them disliked much about organized Christianity, the clerical class, and its theology, especially the common Calvinist doctrine that salvation came only from expressed faith in Jesus'or from being among God's elect'rather than through good works.' And: 'Evangelical Christians invariably want more government support for religion and less separation of church and state. In fact, separation of church and state would not exist if not for the efforts of eighteenth-century evangelicals.' And: 'The First Amendment was designed to separate church and state throughout the land. Actually, the Founders only intended it to apply to the federal government, not the local governments that regulate schools, local courthouses and town squares.'

Jon Meacham, "Golly, Madison - Faith, the Founding Fathers and the unlikely rise of religious freedom", Newsweek, March 17, 2008 Issue

Lest anyone still drifts in a fog, searching for a clueful state, irrationally persuaded that I exude a decidedly Romish taint: The Popetroll webpage I published in response to a past thread on Kuro5hin still exists, and has now been updated with a Church of the Sub-Genius tribute photo-chop, which I was compelled to create, having for a time fallen under the spells of entrancement cast by succubus in their nocturnal visitations, and fear from the possibility of having to face the pestilent visage of succinbus terminal bathrooms contemporary conservative perverts with their daemonic wide-stances from beyond the very fiery gates of hell looking up at me from under the stall's walls, beseechingly begging buggery bought with Bezzlebub bewitchments of $20 bills.



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Too complicated. (none / 1) (#29)
by V on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:40:06 AM EST

This Luther simply had envy that the church was running a nice business. Instead of paying his dues and getting in the action he created his own branch. Fuck this fucker. The "counter-reformation" almost destroyed all that was beautiful in the church.

V.
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it's hard to think straight (none / 1) (#34)
by circletimessquare on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 02:19:48 AM EST

on a diet of worms


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

but (none / 1) (#35)
by postDigital on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:24:49 AM EST

you are likely to experience a significant performance boost to you mental faculties, once you're staring into the breech of a Papal Canon, that's been loaded with Bull,



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it is st patties day. Down with thep rods! (none / 1) (#38)
by wastedyears on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 10:09:28 PM EST


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He was hack (none / 0) (#42)
by cronian on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 09:50:41 PM EST

Martin Luther was a religious-zealot opportunist. He basically said 'fuck you' to the pope, which was kind of cool. However, he helped start some of the bloodiest European wars, ever. Although, I suppose the net-effect has been religious freedom, and a disunited Europe.

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