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Tunnel of Love

By hkhenson in Fiction
Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 07:15:29 AM EST
Tags: fiction (all tags)

"Court, Brenda," Hernandez, one of the nicer guards, banged on the door and woke Brenda up again at 7 a.m.

She was a bit groggy, having been awakened at 3 a.m. for "pill call," awakened again at 4 a.m. for "breakfast," milk, cereal, an inedible biscuit, and a hard green pear. To top it off, the jail had sent her mother's mail back the night before because some jail clerk had interpreted the "no sticker" rule to include printed postage stamps.





Brenda was locked up pending trial for welfare cheating. She was in protective custody because her former boyfriend had former and current girlfriends known for violence in jail. She had been in solitary confinement for 8 months over $2,400 of welfare.

Hernandez chained her up; hands cuffed to her waist, and ankle shackles that limited her to a shuffling walk. They went down the elevator to the basement and through a tunnel that jogged back and forth under the street. Brenda noted the locked doors and cameras in the ceiling and made slightly flirtatious small talk with her guard.  She had to walk in front which kept her from being able to watch Hernandez's cute butt.  His elaborate tats on his muscular arms kind of turned her on.  But then after not being laid for that long . . .

Hernandez didn't really flirt with her as they walked over, but he thought as he watched her buns she was a nice piece of ass.  He knew from a casual (and illegal) look at Brenda's jail medical records she didn't have HIV or herpes and had had her tubes tied. Hernandez knew he would risk his pension by getting involved with a prisoner, or even a former prisoner, but he could not help thinking about getting her in bed, especially since his wife had left him four months ago. Brenda, limited in jail to lipstick, didn't look as bad as you might expect for a 36 year old woman who had had her first kid at 15. Even the blue jail suit didn't clash that bad with her blondish hair.

At the end of the tunnel, Hernandez took her upstairs and locked her in a metal cage outside the court.  The cage was so small her knees hit the far wall.  Brenda was 5'6" and weighed 140 pounds, but the 28 x 32 inches cage was cramped even for her, with a tiny shelf in the corner, which she could almost sit on. She had a hard time imagining how a 200-pound man could be stuffed inside, but had passed several such cages with big guys in them in the hall under the court.

There were a number of Black and Hispanic women brought down from the jail. One of them, who weighed about 250 pounds, was stuffed into the cage next to Brenda. Brenda tried to strike up a conversation.

"Hi." She said. After a minute of silence, Brenda offered, "I'm in here for welfare."

After another minute of silence, when Brenda had given up, the other woman said, "I'm Lupe. Murder."

Lupe and Brenda chatted for the next few hours about boyfriends strung out on meth, kids, cops and being horny in jail. Lupe was taken to court before lunch and Brenda never saw her again. She was given a sack lunch, which was almost impossible to eat with her hands chained to her waist.

Early afternoon, her public defender, Jim Notoro, came by and, talking through the cage door, suggested he might be able to cut a deal for time served if she pled guilty.

"Brenda, the penalty for welfare fraud is 6 months to a year. With the clogged courts, you have no chance for going to trial in the next six months. You want me to try to cut a deal with the DA for time served? The eight months you have been in here gives you a year credit."

"I was workin' and takin' welfare so I could move where Hogman wouldn't find me. I get out and he'll kill me and maybe my daughter's kids. Hogman's really pissed at me for trying to rat him out."

Jim considered the ethical rules. "Hogman was arrested after nearly killing a guy in a bar fight last week. He's not likely to get out for at least a year."

Brenda replied. "OK, if you can get my granddaughters back to me, plead me out."

"Who has them now?"

"My mother. She's getting too old to take care of young kids. My daughter, their mother's been missing for years."

Jim managed to plead Brenda out for time served. The new state law requiring judges to consider what it cost to keep a person in jail had not passed this session, but the judges were keenly aware of it. Brenda's $2,400 welfare cheat had cost the county over $24,000 to keep her in protective custody for eight months.

What with filling out all the paperwork, Brenda was last out of the court, and the very last walked back to the jail to be processed and released that night. Hernandez had taken an extra four-hour overtime, all of which would go to his divorce lawyer, so he walked Brenda back through the tunnel. In spite of the penalties, he was making small talk to Brenda and thinking about asking her out (and getting in her pants) when there was a glare from both ends of the tunnel, followed at once by the tunnel lurching left and right two or three feet and the lights going off. As Californians, they both thought "Earthquake!"

Hernandez managed to keep his feet after banging his shoulder into the tunnel wall, but Brenda, with her hands chained to her waist, went down hard in the dark. Dust rained down from new and old cracks. Hot air blew in. There was overpressure that nearly popped their eardrums.  The air was sucked back out a few seconds later

Hernandez dug out his LED flashlight in the dark.

The right-hand wall had hit Brenda, and the floor had been yanked from under her feet. For all that, in the LED's cold light, she didn't seem to be hurt just a little dazed. Hernandez pulled out his radio and keyed it. The radio squawked the "lockout" tone, indicating the radio would not connect. Hernandez had only a vague idea of what caused a "lockout" tone. (The radio could not contact to any repeaters. This was understandable, since the repeater antennas on the top of the former building were incandescent vapor now being sucked up into the fireball.)

Hernandez checked Brenda, who was lying on the floor. He ran back toward the court, to find the last 50 feet of the tunnel choked with hot chunks of concrete. Hernandez played his light over the choked tunnel and walked back to Brenda. She was trying to sit up against the side of the tunnel. Giving her a reassuring "Back in a minute." he went to the other end of the tunnel, where there was a similar pile of rubble. He turned off his light and looked at the fading nuclear afterglow trickling down through a few small chinks.

Hernandez slowly walked back to Brenda. He pulled his handcuff keys out and, holding his flashlight in his teeth, unlocked the handcuffs and leg irons. "We have about an hour, Brenda."

He was wrong. They had almost two hours before the radiation leaking in killed them.

A year and a half later, a robot exploring the tunnel found their intertwined bones on top of a guard's uniform and a prisoner's jumpsuit.

[This is a little piece of a much longer story partly set in "Inland City."]

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END NOTES, NOT PART OF THE STORY

Tom Clancy in The Sum of all Fears details the design, construction and detonation of a thermonuclear terrorist weapon at a Denver Super bowl game. In his end notes Clancy goes into detail about how easy it is to get the information and machine tools needed to construct an H-bomb. He comments that his description is incorrect in a place or two, not that that would stop a terrorist from building a weapon from the same open sources he used.

Could an Aum Shinrikyo or Jim Jones type cult build working nukes from the rough description here? I don't know, I am an electrical engineer who never had more than a passing interest in weapons design before wasting some months in jail, thoroughly annoyed at a cult (my lawyer tell me I can not even name), and the local, state and federal government agencies the cult corrupted or intimidated. I was working on a concept (cable powered space elevator, geosync power satellites, and synthetic fuel plants) to reduce the cost of gasoline back to under a dollar a gallon before I was jailed.

That project was at a stage where I needed computers and contact with other engineers to make progress and I could not work on it in jail. My interest has shifted to writing a novel and I don't know if I will ever get back to this project.

Engineers, particularly pissed off ones, can't help thinking, especially when they are forgotten for an hour or two by the jail guards who locked them in a shower.  

Tom Clancy finessed the hard part of nukes by having Israeli-US weapons grade plutonium fall into the hands of the bad guys. To appreciate the hard part you need to understand how weapons grade plutonium is made, or rather was made. A little weapons grade plutonium may be have been made in recent years by the smaller nuclear powers but as far as I know none of the major nuclear powers have made any for more than a decade. How it is made? Any reactor that has U 238 in the fuel makes plutonium by neutron capture. A substantial fraction of the energy power reactors make comes from the plutonium they make and then fission.

The problem with trying to use power reactor plutonium for weapons is the Pu 240. Usually the Pu 239 fissions when it is hit with a neutron, but some of the time it will absorb a neutron becoming Pu 240. Pu 240 is nasty stuff to have in weapons because it decays by spontaneous fission, i.e., it splits and spits out neutrons.  The neutrons degrade the explosive and make the bombs easy to detect as well as being unhealthy to be around.

According to Clancy's description, the way nukes are set off is to implode and compress the plutonium. When it is close to maximum density, a shot of neutrons from a little cyclotron/target initiate the chain reaction for maximum yield.

The problem is that spontaneous fission neutrons from Pu 240 will start the chain reaction before the ideal point of compression. The more Pu 240 in the fuel, the more likely you will have a "fizzle" like the North Korean bomb test is thought to have been. "Weapons grade" plutonium is made in dedicated reactors. There is a trade off between grade and production. For high grades the slugs of uranium are pushed through the reactor core in a shorter time so relatively little of the newly formed plutonium picks up an additional neutron. The slugs are dissolved in acid and the plutonium sorted out chemically.

A decade or so ago it occurred to me that the extraction step could be combined with the exposure step and the newly formed Pu 239 could be removed before it became Pu 240. (I kept this to myself for many years.) All you have to do is circulate uranyl nitrate (or sulfate) in a high neutron flux such as you get in a power reactor core and remove the plutonium 239 as it is formed. Over a fuel cycle (a few years) a large power reactor makes kg of neutrons. Stealing a tenth of a kg of neutrons would make 24 kg of extremely high-grade plutonium, enough for about four bombs. Power reactors have holes in the high neutron flux zones of the core used for control rods. Replacing one or two with a loop circulating depleted uranium (U 238) solution would not present much of an engineering challenge. Obtaining depleted uranium would not be difficult either. If for some reason weapon builders didn't want to leave tracks by buying it, the US left hundreds of tons of DU in the Mid East in the last two wars. It would not be hard to collect.

The chemical processing to get plutonium out of solution is well understood; the whole process can be considered kitchen chemistry (if your kitchen contains a power reactor). There are ways to make neutrons without a reactor. If one of them is practical on the scale of tens to hundreds of grams of neutrons then the threshold for bomb builders is reduced even further.

Given plutonium in kg quantities, the next problem is how to implode it to a super critical state. (The above method should make plutonium good enough to use in a gun type device, but implosion gets results from smaller amounts.) Normally a ball of explosives around a sphere of plutonium accomplishes this. The explosives have to be exquisitely shaped and set off from many points on the surface with precise timing. The design of these explosive "lenses" is a demanding task.

While I was waiting for a guard to let me out of the shower, I realize that there was a way discussed in Dr. Robert L. Forward's SF story Camelot 30K where a nuclear "fizzle" is used to bootstrap a thermonuclear explosion. It uses a flash source at one foci of an ellipsoidal reflector to focus soft x-rays on a target at the other foci. It occurred to me that the intense light from a few pounds of flash powder would be enough to set off a light sensitive ball of explosives at the other foci--with close to perfect timing and over the entire surface. This trick eliminates the complicated design problems that require hydro code programs, complicated electronics and krytrons. It may reduce the difficulty of creating such devices to the level it could be done by a decently funded street gang. It's not a compact design, per the text 8 feet long and 7 feet in diameter, but if it's being shipped in a container, it doesn't need to be small.

Would it work? Darned if I know, here it's just an element in a story I wrote while in jail.

As to a cult leader being insane enough to try to kill thousands of people--that has already been demonstrated. If Jim Jones, Heaven's Gate and Aum Shinrikyo aren't enough, consider Pol Pot, Rwanda and Osama Bin Ladin (as a cult leader). Ideally, this is a cautionary tale, one that might get the IAEA inspectors to watch for pipes being used to steal neutrons out of power reactors. Perhaps Sum of all Fears has had such an effect and someone is watching the sale of precision machine tools good enough to make parts for nukes. But Clancy's Debt of Honor (1998) included a jumbo jet being used in much the same way as the 9/11 attacks and this bestseller unfortunately didn't help the FBI agents trying to get the attention of FBI high level bureaucrats when they were trying to report Arab pilots learning to fly (but not land) 767/757 aircraft.

Probably nobody will take this seriously either until a nuke goes off in a US city.

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Tunnel of Love | 41 comments (23 topical, 18 editorial, 0 hidden)
Thank FSM you're out! (none / 0) (#2)
by Corwin06 on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 07:59:11 PM EST

Seriously, you deserve a Nobel prize for peace. I'd nominate you for it.

As for taking seriously the threat that terrorists would attack in the same way as described in a book, some years ago I've read an alternate history novel (not by T.Clancy) where a crazy Chinese general has a nuke-bearing Boeing crash on NYC. It's not a new idea.

I realize what's new here is that it's damn easy to make a nuke.
I'm impatient to read your novel.

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I was able to escape wrist/waist cuffs once (3.00 / 7) (#3)
by MichaelCrawford on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 09:04:47 PM EST

I'm absolutely serious.

When I was transfered from the Mental Health Block in the LA County Central Jail, to the Norwalk State Hospital (in California anyway, all the "state hospitals" are psychiatric hospitals), I was put in cuffs that bound my wrists to my waist.

I wasn't wigging or anything, it's just Standard Operating Procedure for transporting psychiatric patients from the jail. I went in an ambulance, but it wasn't running its siren or lights.

These were special handcuffs, not the steel ring and chain ones that are used for mere criminals: no, I was wearing a four-inch wide, thick leather belt, and the cuffs were four inches wide as well. I think their purpose was to prevent suicidal patients from hurting themselves on the restraints, or psychotic patients from breaking them in their rage.

It happened that I was a huge fan of Harry Houdini when I was a little kid. I used to do rope escapes to entertain my schoolmates, and in sixth grade I put on a magic show for the whole school, ending it all with an amazing rope escape.

So when they were about to tighten the cuffs, I made fists with both hands, turned the backs of my hands outwards and then turned my fists inwards to press against my thighs. This made a gap of about an inch between each wrist and my waist. I was subtle with my movements so as not to draw attention, and chatted up the jail guard while doing so.

I relaxed after the guard was finished, and found the cuffs to be loose.

Several times in the course of waiting for the ambulance, being transported, and waiting for the admission nurse at Norwalk, I pulled my hands completely out of the cuffs and put them back in again!

One more funny tidbit... there was a driver up front in the ambulance, and an attendant in back with me. Being manic, I was very chatty and friendly. He seemed to have a hard time understanding why I'd been in jail, and why I was heading for a nuthouse. So I explained the whole sorry story. (It was a long ride).

Despite his uniform and heavy boots, I could tell by his demeanor and his manner of speaking that he was a surfer. This was Southern California after all! And do you know what he asked me?

Are you a rebel?

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by rhiannon on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 11:13:41 PM EST

Rebel

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Few corrections to your end-notes (none / 0) (#4)
by jd on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 09:21:59 PM EST

Britain's Sellafield (formerly known as Windscale) nuclear reprocessing plant does indeed make plutonium. That is a consequence of reprocessing and you can't avoid it. Whether it makes (and extracts) weapons-grade plutonium is unknown. The BBC's thriller "Edge of Darkness" was based on the premise that it did. For all that that series was broadcast a long time ago, the memory is still chilling.

Could a terrorist obtain weapons-grade plutonium in other ways? Almost certainly. Again, going back to Sellafield, it used to dump high-level nuclear waste down an outlet pipe. Somewhere between England and Ireland, there is a radioactive sludge containing uranium and plutonium. It is slowly migrating in-shore, with measurable levels of plutonium in houses near the shore (carried by sea-spray) and in rivers.

In principle, someone with a boat, a suitable container and some means of digging into the lethal sludge could extract enough plutonium to make a weapon. They'd need to have some means of separating it out, but if it's still liquid or semi-liquid, then it's close enough to critical mass for the heat generated to keep it that way. Therefore, there probably isn't a lot you'd need to eliminate.

To be honest with you, I've always considered that to be a far greater threat than stealing nuclear material from a secure site. You can't secure the Irish Sea nearly as well as you can secure a pond containing spent nuclear fuel rods. The pond is going to be small, predictable, stable, stationary and inside what is already a highly secure facility. I would argue that Britain and America should do their utmost to remove and seal the nuclear waste sludge in the Irish Sea before less well-meaning groups find alternative uses for it.

However, I would consider that a relatively minor threat. Biological weapons, nerve gas cannisters and other weapons from World Wars I and II were dumped into the Irish Sea as well. Shells and other explosives routinely detonate in the underwater dumping ground. They have become so unstable that underwater currents and extremely unlucky fish are all that it takes.

Not all poisons and biohazards could have survived for so long, and identifying which cannister is what would be almost impossible. But let's say a few could be harvested for malign purposes and that - of those - even just one cannister could be positively identified. That's all it would take.

The risks are probably way too high for even fanatics to chance it, but I regard it as insane that the British are gambling on that. The entire dumping ground should be systematically destroyed before anyone finds a way of exploiting what's there.

Are there any other major threats? Probably no. There are minor threats - there are sunken ammunition ships in various British rivers which will someday explode and cause severe damage, but that's relatively local and totally non-portable. The location and maximum area affected are already well-known, and the ammunition is certainly too unstable for anyone to move the vessels to a more dangerous location.

What about America? The homeless are a far greater danger than most WMDs, to be honest. As carriers, they could infect entire cities far more efficiently than a biological bomb. Indoctrinated and armed, America would be facing a force of somewhere between five to ten million ideal candidates for a fanatical group. ("Dune" goes into this idea in some depth.)

The other consideration in the USA is that it is very spread-out. Even the most extreme of WMDs are going to be local in comparison to the geography involved. Using the homeless and other migratory human populations would be the only effective way to put the entire nation at risk.

Killing the homeless, which is what some South American states do, doesn't eliminate them all and actually makes those who survive even more vulnerable to being used.

The only solution to this threat would be to rehabilitate and rescue as many as possible. Ideally, you'd get to the point where even those who wanted to be left alone would be so determined to remain as they are that they'd be just as immune to cultists and fanatics.

lot of bull, I think (3.00 / 3) (#8)
by khallow on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 07:41:59 AM EST

In principle, someone with a boat, a suitable container and some means of digging into the lethal sludge could extract enough plutonium to make a weapon. They'd need to have some means of separating it out, but if it's still liquid or semi-liquid, then it's close enough to critical mass for the heat generated to keep it that way. Therefore, there probably isn't a lot you'd need to eliminate.

That's generously assuming enough plutonium was dumped to make a nuclear weapon and that you don't mind filtering thousands of tons of "lethal sludge" to pick up fractions of a gram of plutonium. Frankly, it'd be far easier to make your own. Depleted uranium is far easier to obtain and neutron sources are pretty easy to come by. Maek your own breeder reactor.

The risks are probably way too high for even fanatics to chance it, but I regard it as insane that the British are gambling on that. The entire dumping ground should be systematically destroyed before anyone finds a way of exploiting what's there.

This is silly. It's easier to make your own rather than go fishing for decades old stuff that wouldn't work any more.

What about America? The homeless are a far greater danger than most WMDs, to be honest. As carriers, they could infect entire cities far more efficiently than a biological bomb. Indoctrinated and armed, America would be facing a force of somewhere between five to ten million ideal candidates for a fanatical group. ("Dune" goes into this idea in some depth.)

This is a bad joke. The homeless aren't some sort of native fremen waiting for a "Kwisatz Haderach". First, they don't have the discipline. The reason the majority live on the street is because they can't hold a job or have snuck across the border from somewhere. They have no common culture. The only sci fi story that ever exploited homeless in the way you describe was "Full Tide of Night" by J. R. Dunn. He refers back to a hidden enemy, the "Erinyes", which turned to be bad AI bent on complete subjugate of humanity and which suborned (via nanotech) and used early on homeless and others for terrorist attacks.

Killing the homeless, which is what some South American states do, doesn't eliminate them all and actually makes those who survive even more vulnerable to being used.

You've clearly never paid attention to genocides of the 20th century. This is a large number of people to kill, but the methods have been demonstrated to work.

Stating the obvious since 1969.
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Who needs organization? (none / 0) (#38)
by jd on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 03:39:13 PM EST

Most terrorists don't rely on organization. They rely on surprise, shock, fear and intimidation. Hand a deranged lunatic homeless person an uzi, and you'd have all the terror in the world. You wouldn't need organization, you'd rely on shock value.

No twentieth-century attempt at genocide has worked. The closest to success was Serbia's attempt to exterminate Bosnia and Croatia, and the vast majority of Americans are pissed off that Clinton stepped in. It is doubtful Serbia would have totally succeeded, but if they had, it would have been with the complicity of others.

(Other well-known attempts at genocide that achieved any kind of result - Rwanda for example - have also depended heavily on direct complicity and aid. Where attempts have produced no result, no complicity or aid has existed. Chechnya and Somalia, for example, produced massive devastation but nothing remotely close to genocide, despite the best efforts of the parties concerned.)

The plutonium in the sludge is sufficient to generate sufficient heat to keep it semi-liquid (no small achievement - the melting point is significant) over an area of several hundred square miles. It has been accumulating for over fifty years and the quantity has never been documented. They have been caught illegally dumping plutonium in the recent past, and they used the pipeline to dump raw nuclear waste - not even in barrels - prior to the ban on sea dumping.

The thing about getting old weapons is that the ingredients are now monitored, chemical plants are being tracked (or blown up), unusual orders for explosives or compounds are being investigated, and so on. Anyone with the brains to succeed has the brains to follow the path of least resistance. THAT is the path of greatest danger.

Personally, I'd find it far more credible that there are stockpiles of anthrax bombs from World War II and from the 1950s that are still dangerous than the idea that Mexicans are going to destroy the American economy. Guess which gets walled off. You get two attempts.

There are also many smallpox graves in England that are being discovered. Those aren't dangerous, as the smallpox would have long-since decayed beyond being directly hazardous, but it would potentially be possible to splice fragments of historic smallpox into synthesized smallpox. You'd do this because lab viruses lose potency rapidly and synthetic smallpox would be based on a lab virus. You'd therefore need to splice in natural fragments to have anything that would be meaningful.

(This is why the smallpox vaccines which caused US servicemen deaths were not only dangerous but pointless, as any lab virus Iraq could produce would be so close to inert by this time that the victim might have a few sores and a cough for a few days.)

However, the technology to do a genetically engineered virus with suitable fragments is at the upper limits of what can be done by the high-tech nations.

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homeless!= migratory (none / 0) (#17)
by livus on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 04:13:50 PM EST

I think you're thinking of the rich.

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There was talk... (none / 1) (#11)
by BJH on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 11:42:11 AM EST

...that Aum actually did have a nuclear weapon development program going in the Australian Outback.

It's not entirely out of the question, seeing as they not only had ties to the USSR (they managed to get a couple of Russian ex-military helicopters, etc.), but were also certifiable nutbags. However, it's generally considered bullshit.

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as I understand it (none / 0) (#22)
by khallow on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 07:09:52 PM EST

They had something going (after all they had bought a former uranium mine), but they weren't even close to getting a nuke. Rumor has it that maybe their scientists weren't so gung-ho on going all the way.

Stating the obvious since 1969.
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Neutron production w/o radioactives (none / 1) (#18)
by rpresser on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 05:09:03 PM EST

is rather easy, as you mention. The Farnsworth-Hirsch Fusor does the job effectively.
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I <3 kuro5hin (none / 0) (#20)
by LilDebbie on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 06:57:56 PM EST

where else can i get the information necessary to bring about the apocalypse?

My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
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Try the White House (none / 0) (#37)
by j1mmy on Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 09:33:24 PM EST

It's public domain!

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What's with the end notes? (none / 0) (#19)
by kromagg on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 06:49:53 PM EST

You have all sort of stuff at the end about the construction of nuclear weapons, what the hell has this to do with the rest of the story? Did you cut more than you intend to? Am I missing something?

yes, you did (none / 0) (#21)
by LilDebbie on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 06:58:30 PM EST

but don't worry. others didn't.

My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
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So I always got a good vibe off of you (3.00 / 3) (#23)
by LilDebbie on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 07:10:35 PM EST

Despite your weakness for the poor, you seemed like a straight-shooting, smart-ass fella. Your mention of the Cult Which Shall Not Be Named (waitta minute, I'm not under lawsuit! THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY IS A MURDEROUS CULT) piqued my curiosity about what legal troubles you may be in. Subsequently, I find myself reading your entry in wikipedia.

Having read a bit of your biography, let me state for the record: dude, you are fucking awesome.

My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
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I get the vibes too (none / 0) (#26)
by rhiannon on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 11:08:50 PM EST

I knew about him from The Real World and here but I never put the two together until just now.

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Tactical nukes (3.00 / 4) (#24)
by regeya on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 08:02:53 PM EST

Tactical nukes could be used to bake a helluva lot of clams.

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-1, Author clearly does not believe Global Warming (none / 0) (#28)
by Hiphopopotamus on Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 07:03:09 AM EST

as evidenced by this pitiful story.
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-1 (none / 0) (#33)
by /dev/trash on Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 05:36:02 PM EST

People don't actually get arrested for cheating on welfare.

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This was written in jail (none / 0) (#35)
by hkhenson on Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 06:25:53 PM EST

With the help of a retired deputy sheriff who had been the person who trained the jailers.  It's rare that a person stays in jail in that county for a long list of felonies, but there were a lot of women in there waiting trial for welfare fraud.  I talked to one at length when we were being taken in a van to a court 20 miles away.  

Before they stuck the retired deputy sheriff in with me I was in solitary (for a misdemeanor charge) because the jailer took certain death threats serious.

I appreciate the comments, re character development but this little segment isn't intended to stand alone--though I could spin out the conversation between Brenda and Lupe.  It fits in after the description of the nuke going off that was used to settle a zoning dispute.

If you don't like it, that's fine.  Tom Clancy (for example) is an acquired taste.

[ Parent ]

Well (none / 0) (#39)
by ShooterNeo on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 04:49:36 PM EST

My only comment is that the standard nuke survival guides all clearly say that radiation would NOT kill you.  Basically, for there to be enough gamma rays from the detonation to be a lethal dose you have to be so close that the heat would kill you anyways.

Fallout?  Maybe, but the radiation poisoning would take several weeks to be fatal if the pair were exposed to enough contamination.  

Plus, it would be difficult to get it on suffering the symptoms of acute radiation exposure.  (from EXTREMLY high radiation doses the central nervous system fails as I recall)

Oh, and I was relieved to learn that "On the Beach" would NOT happen : the level of radioactivity from fallout goes down exponentially with time, reaching more or less safe levels in a matter of weeks.  By the time the winds carried the radioactive material to Australia most of the hot stuff would have already decayed.

I can haz the neutron bomb?? (none / 0) (#40)
by kenmce on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:13:54 PM EST

> My only comment is that the standard nuke survival
> guides all clearly say that radiation would NOT
> kill you.  Basically, for there to be enough gamma
> rays from the detonation to be a lethal dose you
> have to be so close that the heat would kill you
> anyways.

I can haz the neutron bomb??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb

>Oh, and I was relieved to learn that "On the >Beach" would NOT happen : the level of >radioactivity from fallout goes down >exponentially with time, reaching more or less >safe levels in a matter of weeks.  By the time >the winds carried the radioactive material to >Australia most of the hot stuff would have >already decayed.

Leó Szilárd says yes he can:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_bomb

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bookmarked $ (none / 0) (#41)
by sye on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 10:45:22 AM EST


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