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Getting a .US domain can be a pain!

By bobv-pillars-net in Internet
Wed Oct 18, 2000 at 12:04:07 PM EST
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It never ocurred to me why there are so few .US websites until I tried to obtain a regional domain name.


When I first read the WIPO2 proposal to consider such issues as personal names and trade names in ICANN domain disputes, I wasn't too worried. I guess I figured there probably weren't too many businesses interested in pillars.net, and I'd never heard of anybody named "Pillars".

But the next day a strange woman stopped at a red light, rolled down her window and motioned for me to do the same, then shouted, "Are you related to Mary Pillars?"

"No, " I answered, "that's not the name of a person; it's the name of my website."

Then I read some of the WIPO decisions. And I considered, what if this woman named "Mary Pillars" decided that she didn't like my domain and she appealed to WIPO for domain transfer? Not much I could do about it.

So I finally decided to apply for delegation of the subdomain pillars.norfolk.va.us.  According to their naming convention, even if a Mary Pillars in Norfolk, Virginia wanted a domain, she would have to name it mary-pillars.norfolk.va.us, which would not conflict. Only a business by the name of pillars could dispute ownership.

The major hassle I'm running into is that nobody claims to be responsible for the parent domain. The US Domain registry claims that it belongs to infi.net, and infi.net claims that they stopped administering the subdomain years ago, and control has reverted back to the US. The nameservers for the city webpage are located a visi.net, but they also claim no responsibility for delegation of subdomains.

How about it guys? Do people in other countries go through this kind of hassle to get a regional subdomain? Or elsewhere in the US, even?

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Getting a .US domain can be a pain! | 7 comments (2 topical, 5 editorial, 0 hidden)
Tough in Canada too. (none / 0) (#6)
by Greener on Fri Oct 20, 2000 at 07:54:42 PM EST

The last time I checked, the only way to get a .ca domain name was if it was the name of a nationally incorperated business or registered trade mark. Otherwise all you can get is a provincial name like .bc.ca

My .US experiences and some nslookup results (none / 0) (#7)
by jroysdon on Sat Oct 21, 2000 at 02:52:15 PM EST

ISI (.US NIC) answers authoritatively for both VA.US and Norfolk.VA.US. Perhaps forward the email from infi.net on to the admin at ISI, and also paste these results querying the SOA (Start of Authority for the zones) from their nameserver.

I've successfully registered two domains, roysdon.modesto.ca.us and moms-club.modesto.ca.us with no problems (well, I tried to register momsclub.modesto.ca, and they advised me I would have to hyphenate). But then I was able to go to ISI direct and didn't have anyone else maintaining or supposedly maintaining my city's domain.

Here are the SOA nslookup query results on VA.US and Norfolk.VA.US directed to ISI's nameserver. Also note that if they were not the SOA, or the SOA was unavailable, or the domain did not exist, the reply would be "venera.isi.edu can't find ..."

$ nslookup -q=soa va.us venera.isi.edu
Server:  venera.isi.edu
Address:  128.9.176.32

va.us
        origin = VENERA.ISI.EDU
        mail addr = us-domain.ISI.EDU
        serial = 2000101101
        refresh = 43200 (12H)
        retry   = 3600 (1H)
        expire  = 1209600 (2W)
        minimum ttl = 86400 (1D)
va.us   nameserver = VENERA.ISI.EDU
va.us   nameserver = NS.ISI.EDU
va.us   nameserver = RS0.NETSOL.COM
va.us   nameserver = NS.UU.NET
va.us   nameserver = ADMII.ARL.MIL
va.us   nameserver = EXCALIBUR.USC.EDU
VENERA.ISI.EDU  internet address = 128.9.176.32
NS.ISI.EDU      internet address = 128.9.128.127
RS0.NETSOL.COM  internet address = 216.168.224.206
NS.UU.NET       internet address = 137.39.1.3
ADMII.ARL.MIL   internet address = 128.63.31.4
ADMII.ARL.MIL   internet address = 128.63.5.4
EXCALIBUR.USC.EDU       internet address = 128.125.51.11
EXCALIBUR.USC.EDU       internet address = 128.125.52.4

$ nslookup -q=soa norfolk.va.us venera.isi.edu
Server:  venera.isi.edu
Address:  128.9.176.32

va.us
        origin = VENERA.ISI.EDU
        mail addr = us-domain.ISI.EDU
        serial = 2000101101
        refresh = 43200 (12H)
        retry   = 3600 (1H)
        expire  = 1209600 (2W)
        minimum ttl = 86400 (1D)

$ nslookup -q=soa bogus.va.us venera.isi.edu
Server:  venera.isi.edu
Address:  128.9.176.32

*** venera.isi.edu can't find bogus.va.us: Non-existent host/domain

$ nslookup -q=soa ci.norfolk.va.us venera.isi.edu
Server:  venera.isi.edu
Address:  128.9.176.32

*** venera.isi.edu can't find ci.norfolk.va.us: Non-existent host/domain


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