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Carnivore update:

By ramses0 in Internet
Mon Nov 20, 2000 at 11:35:54 PM EST
Tags: News (all tags)

According to Yahoo News reports, the FBI's Carnivore system has (almost) passed the Chicago-Kent's College of Law's tests with flying colors.

"For the most part, it does not overcollect," said Dean Henry Perritt, who declined to say how or when Carnivore does overcollect.

For those of you who don't know much about the Carnivore system, it was originally designed to read and capture emails from a suspect (to be used only with a court order). It is a device which detractors call a "black box" which sits between the suspect's Internet Service Provider and the rest of the internet. (see earlier kuro5hin stories).

Originally I thought it only operated at the email level, but I've been told that Carnivore actually captures information at the packet level. This means that it can (and has been used to) intercept and archive chat-packets, ICQ/AIM/etc... information, and... well, "reliably capture and archive all unfiltered traffic to the internal hard drive." This is bad. Actually, it's good for the FBI, but bad for everybody else because it means that they can recreate in a lab situation any stream of traffic in which any user is involved.

Not only can they get a terrorist's secret email about blowing up buildings, but also the complete interception of all internet traffic to and from that user. (I'd assume by IP address.)

Of course "The FBI said that the lab report [capturing all unfiltered traffic] was the result of a test to determine Carnivore's 'breaking point,' and that laws and court orders restricted Carnivore from being used so broadly".

If you haven't seen Enemy of the State, please do so now.


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Do you Carnivore?
o The FBI must be allowed to use Carnivore 1%
o There is a need for a Carnivore-like system 4%
o Carnivore is a good thing 0%
o Carnivore is a bad thing 39%
o [this space intentionally left blank] 19%
o Show me the source 26%
o Carnivore? I'm vegetarian! 3%
o Just use Inoshiro 4%

Votes: 83
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o earlier kuro5hin stories
o Enemy of the State
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Carnivore update: | 5 comments (3 topical, 2 editorial, 0 hidden)
old saying becoming frighteningly true... (2.80 / 5) (#2)
by azzael on Mon Nov 20, 2000 at 08:40:22 PM EST

"Its not whether you're paranoid, but are you paranoid enough?!?"


"You're not paranoid, they are out to get you, and they will!"


insert your fear of big brother quote here.

It really makes it obvious that the company that can truely get the average John and Jane Doe users to become security aware and provide them with real and easy to use security tools will ride one of the biggest waves in the computer industry.

Just my $0.02,

I wonder if I can get the job title Über Geek at the year end job review?
"Teach a man to make fire, and he will be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life." -John A. Hrastar
Also (4.50 / 2) (#4)
by Elendale on Mon Nov 20, 2000 at 10:34:15 PM EST

"If you aren't paranoid, you aren't paying enough attention."

Thats my presonal favorite.


When free speech is outlawed, only criminals will complain.

[ Parent ]
'I think I'm paranoid...' (3.00 / 1) (#5)
by systmc on Tue Nov 21, 2000 at 09:43:51 PM EST

Just because you don't think they're out to get you doesn't mean they're not!

- systmc
Lets get naked.

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