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By Banjonardo in Internet
Tue Nov 13, 2001 at 09:43:39 AM EST
Tags: Technology (all tags)

Reading a certain story about E-governments, I saw a certain post complaining that although being of that country, the man couldn't file his taxes online.

This got me thinking: In Brasil, we can use our state-provided "numbers" and voter declarations to see our tax returns and declare inelligibility. Likewise, we can take a stroll around the digital national library and download some famous romance, or poetry, or maybe check out what the president is up to, while looking up federal laws. In fact, the government provides a link to every large ministry we have. To see what other governments around the world have for online tax and immigration services, click here.

Oh, how the world has changed! It seems three years ago an e-mail held no value. It's funny, however, to see how third-world countries like mine adapt to a changing economy, as opposed to the U.S., or the European countries.


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Meanwhile in the U.S. (5.00 / 2) (#2)
by theboz on Mon Nov 12, 2001 at 06:42:38 PM EST

About the only thing you can do in this country with the internet is be sent to prison. Our government may have initiated the technology, but now all they do is fear it. I remember when Bush went into office he made a big deal of telling all of his friends and family that he could no longer use email because he had no expectation of privacy.


Whitehouse.gov and Bush's mail (4.00 / 2) (#4)
by Blarney on Mon Nov 12, 2001 at 07:05:13 PM EST

When Bush took office, as the second POTUS to use whitehouse.gov, I would have expected him to have all the old stuff archived and available. You know, family pictures, press releases, transcripts of Mike McCurry and various reporters going at it, that sort of thing. Instead, it is gone perhaps never to be seen again. I think it would have historical value for future generations, but Bush's boys think it should be disappeared. Is he afraid of having to compete with the memory of Clinton? Or is it something more sinister?

In theory, I could file a FOIA request and get a copy of the old Whitehouse.gov backups, which of course the government would have. In fact, I don't know if this would accomplish anything or if it would just get me in some sort of trouble.

When Bush makes the Clinton-era Whitehouse.gov data evaporate, he is setting a precedent that press releases and other stuff on Whitehouse.gov are not eternally archived the way that New York Times articles, for example, would be. Information can be removed - perhaps even altered - at the whim of whomever is the President at any moment in time. Bush will not be bound by anything he says in email, hence his desire to not communicate this way, and he will not be bound by the Web either.

To Bush, the Internet isn't a tool for spreading information, but is a way to replace paper archives with a more mutable and supervisable medium.

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Sorry, that's just incoherent (3.50 / 2) (#5)
by greenrd on Mon Nov 12, 2001 at 07:23:21 PM EST

Bush will not be bound by anything he says in email, hence his desire to not communicate this way,

That makes no sense. His desire not to communicate that way is due to privacy concerns, not a desire to be bound by what he said (eh?!). Email and websites can still be archived by third parties, and people can get caught out changing the past (in theory), so that acts as a disincentive.

"Capitalism is the absurd belief that the worst of men, for the worst of reasons, will somehow work for the benefit of us all." -- John Maynard Keynes
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Screw the Clinton data... (none / 0) (#6)
by Rand Race on Tue Nov 13, 2001 at 08:50:57 AM EST

... we want the Reagan papers that the current administration won't give us. And good luck with those FOIA requests, just hope that Ashcroft doesn't mind.

"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather than that of blindfolded Fear." - Thomas Jefferson
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Nice topic for discussion! (5.00 / 1) (#3)
by chipuni on Mon Nov 12, 2001 at 06:46:21 PM EST

New growth rarely takes place where old growth has stopped. For old growth to restart, it has to clear out the debris that was keeping it from restarting.

In short, I'm pleased (but not surprised) that Latin America (including Brasil) is hopping onto the Internet. Latin American governments have problems with their governments, but as they build less corrupt governments, they'll grow even more. (I'm most familiar with Mexico; I lived there during the Carlos Salinas de Gortari years. Aie. He fooled me, badly, when he was President.)
Perfection is not reached when nothing more can be added, but only when nothing more can be taken away.
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