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How much is broadband in your part of the world?

By enterfornone in Internet
Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 05:05:38 PM EST
Tags: Internet (all tags)

Working for a large Australian ISP, I hear quite a bit about how much Australians pay for Internet access, particularly broadband access. If you believe the average Australian Cable or ADSL customer, Australians are paying through the roof while in the US and Europe Internet users are paying next to nothing.

Is this an accurate picture?

Cable Internet in Australia has been around for a few years. There are only two players. Big Pond Broadband, owned by Australia's largest telco, Telstra and Optus@Home, a joint venture between the US ISP @Home and Australia's second largest telco Optus.

Optus@Home has a single access plan. $64AU (around $32US) gives you "flat rate" access (slightly more if you don't want to pay for the modem up front). By "flat rate" (formerly "unlimited", they have since been barred from using the word unlimited by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) they mean you don't pay for downloads, however they reserve the right to terminate your account should your usage "represent an unusually large burden on the Optus@Home Network", defined as exceeding 10 times the customer average over a 14 day period. They have a strict residential only policy, no businesses can connect to their service.

Big Pond has a number of pricing plans. The most popular for consumer access gives you "flat rate" access, but a capped speed of 512kbps down and 128kbps up for $72AU ($36US). Again "flat rate" means they can terminate you if "in our reasonable opinion creates an undue burden to our network" however they don't define the volume that they would consider degrading.

In order to get an uncapped cable connection with Telstra you need to go on a business plan, $71.50 for 500meg then 18.9c per meg after that.

For a residential service Optus is clearly the better deal, however Telstra, who up until the last few years were a government utility with a monopoly on all telecommunications services and who still own the majority of telecommunications infrastructure in this country, have greater coverage. Both services are confined to the eastern capital cities Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.

In the ADSL market there is only one real player in the residential market. Again it is Big Pond Broadband. ADSL pricing is somewhat steeper than cable, $89AU ($44US) will get you 512 down and 128 up with a "flat rate" policy similar to their cable service. $116 will get you 1500 down and 256 up, 500meg and 18.9c for every meg after that.

Other ISPs, most notable iPrimus have attempted residential flat rate ADSL, but have found it impossible and have switched to volume based plans only. As Telstra own all the copper cables, they make it difficult for anyone else to get in on the action.

Telstra's near monopoly is usually cited as the reason for the cost and lack of choice in broadband. Another reason is the distance between Australia and the US. Due to the fact that as an english speaking and largely American influenced country, Australians access the majority of their Internet content from the USA. This means Australian ISPs need to meet the significant costs of bandwidth between Australia and the US (and from there the rest of the world).

It doesn't look good for Australians, but is it as bad as it seems? According to @Home in the US, "Monthly subscription prices range from $35 to $55 per month" - $70 to $110 AU, pretty much on par with what Australian users pay (@Home prices vary by cable provider). Road Runner pricing is "on average" $39.95 per month, around $80 AU. While both advertise as "unlimited" @Home at least has the same "unusually large burden" fine print. If Road Runner has any sort of acceptable use policy, it is well hidden.

So it would appear that on paper at least, Australians aren't getting it too bad. But what is the reality? If you are a broadband user, or if you wish you were, what is it really like in your part of the world? How much does it cost? Do you get what you pay for? Does you unlimited provider have any hidden fineprint? Have you ever fallen victim to it? Do you think what I've described as the Australian experience is bad, or is it what you would expect as adequate?


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Australian broadband?
o Very expensive. 8%
o On par with the rest of the world. 70%
o Great, what are you complaining about? 21%

Votes: 37
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o Big Pond Broadband
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o pricing plans
o "in our reasonable opinion creates an undue burden to our network"
o ADSL pricing
o iPrimus
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o Road Runner
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How much is broadband in your part of the world? | 41 comments (41 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
29$/month and 98$ to start (none / 0) (#1)
by KLH on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 09:42:27 AM EST

29$/month and 98$ to start

That's what I pay.

I have comhem intercable.

512/128 bandwith.
I carnt spell.
North UK (none / 0) (#2)
by FeersumAsura on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 09:48:23 AM EST

Currently where I am you can't get broadband until 2003. I've even offered to release my cpative telecoms engineer I kidnapped last year. People who do have it pay stupid amounts. £100 set up plus £40/month + 17.5%VAT and the baling wire service BT provides is crap.

I'm so pre-emptive I'd nuke America to save time.
dsl pricing varies wildly... (none / 0) (#3)
by daystar on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 09:48:50 AM EST

[ Note: All prices are US$ ]

The phone company offers an extremely cheap package (<$30), but it's light on features. To get anything valuable (static ip, etc) they get up to about $80 immediately. And that's at about 256kbps.

Now, I have dsl through COVAD and Speakeasy, and it costs $80 for 1500kbps(something like 300k upload), with static ips and anything else I might want. Of course, I've had it for almost a year, and have under three months of uptime. I'm still using a 56k modem. The whole covad/speakeasy/phone-company model of providing dsl access doesn't seem to work. There's way too many points of failure, and not much communication between companies. I should probably move to a part of Phoenix where I can get a cable modem...

There is no God, and I am his prophet.

My @home cable costs (none / 0) (#4)
by ZanThrax on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 09:49:49 AM EST

$40 (Cdn ~= 20 US) per month. I think setup is $50, but they frequently offer free install to get new customers to join up. I'm not sure what kind of volume I'd have to move to get yelled at over excessive use, but constant browsing and frequent 100M downloads don't do it.
The other cable company in town has pretty much the same rates (along with the same 'ooga-booga dsl is evil and bad and bad and we're much much better' ads)
DSL is available from the local telco, or a couple of other isps in town, and as far as I can tell, the prices are about the same, but there are many more levels of service, and getting one with no volume limits would cost me twice what the cable does. (admitedly, the guaranteed speed would be nice. I hate downloading files at <10K when I know cable's capable of 10 or 20 times that)

Before flying off the handle over the suggestion that your a cocksucker, be sure that you do not, in fact, have a cock in your mouth.

I think its the same (none / 0) (#5)
by retinaburn on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 09:53:23 AM EST

I remember reading that they reserve the right limit downloads (and quoted some ridiculously low figure as an example). I think mainly they want to cover their butts if you start using more service than you pay for. Running a Porn site or warez site off your 40 month cable connection is a really good deal, but only for you :)

I think that we are a young species that often fucks with things we don't know how to unfuck. -- Tycho

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You're being a little bit hard on the loonie (none / 0) (#13)
by Phil the Canuck on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 11:11:18 AM EST

$40CDN is something more along the lines of $26US. Just a nit I felt like picking.

I'm on Cogeco@home, and even when they aren't offering free installation you can get it. Just push them hard enough and they'll do it for free. Anything to keep people away from DSL.

Interestingly, I recently discovered that Cogeco offers additional IP addresses for free (can't remember how many, two I think). It was included in their latest rate change notice.


I don't think being an idiot comes with a pension plan though. Unless you're management of course. - hulver
[ Parent ]

You're number is closer, but (none / 0) (#16)
by ZanThrax on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 11:34:31 AM EST

you should always round down since there's always an extra cost when you switch currencies :) OK, so I exagerrated, but I did just spend 21.?? for a $10 us money order and three stamps yesterday, so 50% feels right even though its not. All that said, the dollar is hurting pretty bad.

Before flying off the handle over the suggestion that your a cocksucker, be sure that you do not, in fact, have a cock in your mouth.
[ Parent ]

Heh (none / 0) (#17)
by Phil the Canuck on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 11:42:57 AM EST

I forgot about that stuff. I'm special, so I don't pay any service charges for conversion/money orders. :)


I don't think being an idiot comes with a pension plan though. Unless you're management of course. - hulver
[ Parent ]

DSL (none / 0) (#19)
by Kinthelt on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 11:45:58 AM EST

What's wrong with Sympatico HSE? They've got free installation (at times), and the price is the same as cable ($40 Cdn). The only thing I can think of is their choice of using PPPoE.

[ Parent ]
Nothing's wrong with DSL (none / 0) (#21)
by Phil the Canuck on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 01:42:05 PM EST

I meant that Cogeco/Rogers et al are willing to do a lot to keep people away from DSL.

As for quality, it varies. In some places Sympatico HSE is superior to cable, in others not. I'm on Cogeco@home in Niagara Falls and have no complaints. My brother, however, is on Cogeco@home in Kingston and is lucky to get the equivalent of dial-up. He'll switch to DSL as soon as it's on his line.


I don't think being an idiot comes with a pension plan though. Unless you're management of course. - hulver
[ Parent ]

PPPoE? (none / 0) (#39)
by Inoshiro on Thu Apr 05, 2001 at 03:35:53 PM EST

No PPPoE here. For 150$ a month I get nice rates (2.4 megabits down max, 640kbits up max) which I do hit regularly (~300k/s on all my Mozilla builds, ~100k/s on various PtP transfers via FTP and the like), 2 static IPs, and no DHCP/PPPoE/CISCO NAT crap :) My only problem is with the annoying cacheflow.com caching webservers they use, which you can't switch off (layer-7 fux0ring).

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[ Parent ]
The cheapest in the UK (none / 0) (#6)
by imperium on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 09:54:32 AM EST

As far as I can see, this appears to be Telewest's cable modems. The usual 512/128 applies (why, incidentally, is this such a popular combo?), and it comes in at 33GBP per month ($47US). I thought this was cheap until I read this story. Still, it pays for itself about two and a half times over each month, so I don't mind too much.

The frustrating thing is that the engineer who installed it told me they got to demo it with 2Gb up and down. Now that's what I call broadband!


Situation in the UK... (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by alisdair on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 09:56:16 AM EST

I have a 512K/128K cable modem from NTL, with which I am fairly happy. There are no download restrictions at all, and I can use the full 512K practically permanently if I want to.

My only peeve with NTL is that they ban all servers, threatening customers with account suspension or termination if they violate this rule. By all servers, they mean anything on their list, which includes such stupidities as print and X11 server, and excludes bootp or dhcpd for some reason. Unfortunately, this means I'm not allowed to run web, ssh, or ident services on my connection, and this really sucks.

What's worse, though, is that NTL's support and AUP staff acknowledge that this situation is ridiculous, and have stated that a user will only be investigated if a complaint is made. This means I'm perfectly able to run Apache on my machine, as long as I don't piss anyone off. Part of the AUP also states that NTL will not port scan their customers, so indeed the only way for them to check for my violation of their rules is for someone else to point it out.

Oh, and I'm paying £20.00 a month, with £150.00 for the modem and a £25.00 connection fee, which is around the same price paid by Australians and Americans. <abbr title="Always Delayed Slightly Longer">ADSL</abbr> simply isn't available around here, and when it does come out it'll be ridiculously expensive (around £100.00/month with ridiculous installation charges for the non-USB version).

Iceland (none / 0) (#8)
by Mawbid on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 10:01:28 AM EST

Iceland is in pretty much the same situation as Australia, with a newly privatized telco.

There are some options on the horizon, but right now ADSL is the only real choice. You pay the telco USD17/mo for a 256/128 ADSL line, 54 for 512/256, and 130 for 1.5Mbps/384Kbps.

Then come your ISP's charges. I chose the ISP branch of the same telco as my ISP. The price depends on how much traffic is included: USD13 for 100MB, 35 for 1GB, 59 for 2GB, 83 for 3GB. Traffic above the limit is 2.7 cents per MB.

My connection is USD100/mo.

Oh, and there was a $65 startup fee to the telco.

...and the quality of service ain't great either

Imagine that. Moving to Australia would actually be an improvement :-)

Some good points (none / 0) (#9)
by Mawbid on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 10:13:29 AM EST

I should note that there are some good points. I asked around before I picked an ISP and got the same answers everywhere: yes, you can run servers; yes, you can nat your home lan; no, there's no filtering or proxying imposed on you; yes you get a real IP address (but pay for a static one).

[ Parent ]
Avaliability (none / 0) (#10)
by Merkin on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 10:32:48 AM EST

The main problem in Australia is not so much the price (although it is a little above what I would *like* to pay) but the coverage.

In Sydney, most people likey to consider broadband connections are simply not able to get it. Optus can not deliver cable access to any apartment building. I can not get any sort of broadband access in my building (which is pretty central) so the price is kind of irrelevant.

Learn to Improvise

Rochester, NY, USA (none / 0) (#11)
by molo on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 10:43:40 AM EST

Here in Rochester, there are two options, either ADSL through the local telco (which I don't know much about), or Cable through the only local cable provider, Time Warner (RoadRunner). Yes, this means my cable is now owned by AOL, but as long as they keep DHCP on and I don't have to use some special client, its fine by me.

Since I don't have cable TV, the cable modem costs $47 per month (US$, including all taxes and fees). The service is capped at 2 Mega-bit downstream and about 500 kilo-bit upstream.

Service is reliable, although traffic is pretty crowded at peak (like any other service, cable or otherwise).

A couple interesting facts: If I had standard cable TV service (~$32 per month) my cable modem bill drops $5 per month. If I want additional IPs, $6.50 additional per month per IP.

Also interesting is that as time goes on, they keep dropping the bandwidth cap. Upstream hasn't changed too badly (I used to get 750 kilo-bit upstream when the service was new) but downstream has been slaughtered. We used to get *7* Mega-bit downstream! I used to love downloading at 650 kilo-bytes per second (real data rate).

Latency has recently been pretty good. The network now has more egress points than before and has improved connectivity quite a bit. A portion of a traceroute to www.yahoo.com from behind my NAT:

1 thebox ( 0.508 ms 0.402 ms 0.356 ms
2 ( 11.156 ms 16.169 ms 12.018 ms
3 roc-24-93-2-21.rochester.rr.com ( 11.746 ms 10.906 ms 10.073 ms
4 roc-24-93-2-193.rochester.rr.com ( 10.555 ms 10.890 ms 9.996 ms
5 roc-mth-gsr2-mth-gsr.nyroc.rr.com ( 10.373 ms 11.609 ms 10.605 ms
6 acr2-serial2-1-0-0.NewYorknyr.cw.net ( 24.903 ms 24.156 ms 23.921 ms

25 ms to get onto a major carrier isn't bad at all in my opinion. (Note that the 10.* router is the first hop past my cable modem)

Whenever you walk by a computer and see someone using pico, be kind. Pause for a second and remind yourself that: "There, but for the grace of God, go I." -- Harley Hahn
Where is "in the US"? (5.00 / 1) (#12)
by DesiredUsername on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 10:50:15 AM EST

If you live in Silicon Valley or some big city, you've got options out the ying-yang. If you live anywhere else you are lucky to get a single option*, especially since the DSL providers are dropping like flies. This is further complicated by the fact that it's pretty damn near impossible to figure out who does what, where and for how much. dslreports.com is just plain confusing, is there another option?

*(Back in 1999, I knew a guy who lived less than an hour from Seattle who couldn't even get 56k)

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Options??! (5.00 / 1) (#23)
by rusty on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 02:46:40 PM EST

If you live in Silicon Valley or some big city, you've got options out the ying-yang.

Oy. If you live in Silicon valley you can call any one of ten billion broadband ISPs, which all charge the same price, and then wait three months for PacHell to get around to expanding capacity in your area.

Contrary to popular belief, the bay area is hell on earth for bandwidth-lovers. PacBell still owns the market, and they are easily the worst phone company I've ever seen.

Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Pachell, eh? (none / 0) (#30)
by Strongtium90 on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 04:54:47 PM EST

I know everyone says that their phone company is the worst, but really US West is, by far, the worst US phone company.

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Ya know, USWorst is now Qworst ;-) (none / 0) (#34)
by tankgirl on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 06:43:14 PM EST

And yes having spent the last three years at an ISP, I must wholeheartedly agree that they are the worst of the so called Baby Bells (who aren't so small anymore).

My opinion is based on having worked with the following RBOC's:
ELI (Electric Lightwave)
USWest, now Qwest
PacBell, now part of the SBC family of companies
BellAtlantic now Verizon East
GTE now Verizon West

They _really_ are worse than PacBell and the rest I have experience with, hard as that may be to imagine ;-) IMHO, it's true!

"I'm afraid of Americans. I'm afraid of the world. I'm afraid I can't help it." -David Bowie
[ Parent ]
the valley (none / 0) (#27)
by Seumas on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 03:26:06 PM EST

The valley is the worst place to get broadband service.

I spent nine months there and needed to get broadband to cut down on my commuting during my stay. I went back home (to Oregon) after those nine months -- waiting for Covad and PacBell to get my installation completed up until the very last day at which point I canceled my service request.

Covad was quite responsive and kept me up to date on things. PacBell, however, kept screwing things up. For example, in the first two months, Covad visited five times only to report to me that PacBell had prepared the wrong phone trunk in the apartments and that until PacBell completed that, there was nothing they could do. After three months, Covad arranged for a meeting with PacBell on-site (basically, the Covad guy and I had to sit around at my place for most of a day waiting for PacBell to show up whenever they felt like it). In this meeting, Covad physically walked the PacBell guy to the correct phone trunk and watched him install it.

All of this, mind you, was all in preperation for getting a measely 144k connection (IDSL), because even though I was between San Jose (where I lived) and Santa Clara (where I worked), I was 16,000 feet from the nearest CO.

I've heard nothing better from anyone else in the valley looking for broadband. It's awful.

Ironically, when I returned to Portland, Oregon and called Qwest, they had my DSL turned on within seven days.
I just read K5 for the articles.
[ Parent ]

AT&T Broadband (none / 0) (#14)
by Paradocis on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 11:15:29 AM EST

Here in Atlanta, I'm using AT&T Broadband's cable internet service. Service is unlimited for $40\mo (all figures are in USD). if you purchase the cable modem (which costs about $250), or you can lease the cable modem at an addition $10\mo, bringing the total to $50\mo, so purchasing the cable modem only makes sense if you intend to be using it for a little over 2 years (25 months). What irks me though, and what they don't advertise or tell you until you sign the papers is that it states in the terms of service that you are not allowed to set up any type of server on it (web, ftp, napster, whatever), and that they can cut you off if you do and they find out about it. Of course, they never actually check, but it's the thought that counts.

"El sueño de la razon produce monstruos." -Goya

Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (none / 0) (#15)
by cbatt on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 11:31:29 AM EST

We have a few options, the mjor one's being:
Shaw@home - cable - $40/month CDN
videon v-wave - cable -$40/month CDN
Telus - ADSL - $40/month CDN

Those are just the standard home consumer packages with limited bandwidth and IPs and all the rest. The prices are roughly $100-150/month for "small business" packages.

We also have a handful of other smaller providers, but they're concerned with business accounts and are slightly pricier, for supposedly better service... which I wouldn't doubt as the big three are uniformly mediocre.

Before you can understand recursion
you must understand recursion.

Also (none / 0) (#20)
by paulT on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 11:48:41 AM EST

I live in the same city and it should also be noted that Cable access has been available in this city for at least four years already. I was one of the early adopters and the rates have dropped slightly since then. We started our cable access at $50 per month.

A nitpick: Shaw has aquired Videon as part of another deal and is working at harmonising their rates and services.

"Outside of a dog, a book is probably man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
[ Parent ]
Also note the bandwidth... (none / 0) (#28)
by Rhamadanth on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 03:33:22 PM EST

Videon cable claims speeds of up to 6Mbit/sec down, and 768kps up. I've gotten the 6MBit down, before, so I can verify that.

I can't remember what Shaw claims, but it's similar.

Telus DSL (at $40) gives unlimited upload/download (theoretically, it's capped at 5GB, but they don't check. You have to be transferring something in excess of 100GB a month to get in trouble. My friends regularily transfer more than 10GB/month, which is the enforced limit with Videon.) However, Telus only gives 1.5MBit bandwidth, shared between up/down transfers.

In some instances, as well, I've seen multi-service discounts from Videon, where they give me $10 off my cable modem service for having basic cable TV.

-- The /bin/truth is out there.
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Sweden (none / 0) (#18)
by caine on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 11:45:54 AM EST

I pay 160 SEK (~15$) a month for my 10Mbps, but then I'm a student too :). Normal homes who have 10MBps usually pay 200-300 SEK (~20-30$) and the ones with ADSL 250 SEK (~25$). So it's not that expensive, mostly because there's some "we're not going for profit" companies like Bredbandsbolaget. The Swedish state also supports broadband, making it cheaper for consumers and companies.


On Telia ADSL (none / 0) (#22)
by mikael_j on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 02:04:58 PM EST

Unfortunately Telia, the main broadband ISP for those swedes not located in any of the larger cities, has decided to raise their prices, can't remember how much though...

/Mikael Jacobson
(btw, this is for ADSL access)
We give a bad name to the internet in general. - Rusty
[ Parent ]
You lucky bastard with DHCP (none / 0) (#38)
by Misagon on Thu Apr 05, 2001 at 01:33:07 PM EST

In my area, all I can get is 512kbps (at most) for 220 SEK (~20 USD) per month. This is with NAT, which means that you can only browse the web and send email... Networked games are out of the question. I am not a subscriber (yet) because of this (but I will be ... can't wait any longer for better options to show up)
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Not just price (none / 0) (#24)
by Arkady on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 02:52:21 PM EST

You need to consider overall service (what you get bandwidth/IP-wise as well as customer support, friendly geek-oriented support, etc) in the evaluation as well.

One of the main reasons that Northpoint and the others are cheesing out is that they were so big. They were depending on volume to make up for the ludicrously small amount of money they were getting for each line. CLIQ (the consulting collective-now-also-ISP I work with), on the other hand, is small and will stay that way (we will fission the ISP into seperate groups if it gets too big to be managed by a small team of admins); plus, we're setting our rates to reflect a reasonable mark up on our facilities cost to prevent ourselves from ever getting into that situation.

It's better to honestly let your customers know why you need to charge a higher rate than your competitors (and ours are generally higher by a few percent than the huge ISPs like UUNet) than to get involved in a price-war (like the DSL clouds have) that generally ends up wiping out everyone except the one with the biggest cash reserve. By setting a reasonable price for the service we expect to continue operating a CLIQ ISP as long as folks want good, personal service at a reasonable price. (I realize that that sounds like stock marketing tripe, but it became a cliche because there are some of us out here who actually do it.)

There's more to the issue than raw price.


Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere Anarchy is loosed upon the world.

About the same (none / 0) (#25)
by Anonymous 6522 on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 03:18:18 PM EST

I pay about US$50 (if I didn't get cable television I'd be paying US$60) a month for a 128kbs up/560kbs down cable connection with a pseudostatic ip (it technically is dynamic, but hasn't changed since I got the service) and no download/upload cap. If the ADSL cutoff point wasn't a few blocks from my house, I could get 256kbs up/640kbs down connection for around the same price.

It seems that you Australians are actually paying a little less for broadband than us Americans (at least those of us who live in the middle of nowhere).

Oregon (none / 0) (#26)
by Seumas on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 03:18:20 PM EST

In Portland, Oregon: I'm paying $75/mo for 640k/640k ISP service from easystreet. This includes half a dozen static IPs and a very liberal view on running any servers (unless they're being used for big commercial uses, in which case you need to get a commercial account).

I'm paying $70/mo for 640k/640k DSL from Qwest (formerly US West).

Of course, I expense all of this to my employer, so the cost isn't really a big issue.
I just read K5 for the articles.

cheap fast cablemodem (none / 0) (#29)
by Delirium on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 03:52:21 PM EST

In Houston, TX, I pay $40 for around 3000kbps downstream, 350 kbps upstream cablemodem.

Upstate NY, USA (none / 0) (#31)
by minusp on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 04:56:20 PM EST

$50US/mo. 256/256 Flash DSL (could have 512/1500 for $170/mo) with 3 static IPs. No setup if you can do it yourself, otherwise $65/hr. Modem for $200, NATbox for $150.

If I really wanted a time/money haemmorhage, then there is 56Kflex for $1300 setup and $250/mo.

Coverage is pretty thin, the office is in range, the house still needs to dial....
Remember, regime change begins at home.
Road Runner AUP (none / 0) (#32)
by lovelace on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 06:16:33 PM EST

I live in NC and if I actually had cable I could get Road Runner for $39.95. Since I don't have cable, however, I have to pay $59.95 (cable is ~$20, so it would be the same, but since I have DirecTV I refuse to get cable). So, it's actually a bit more than the prices quoted for Australia.

As far as the RR AUP, I don't know about RR in general, but the North Carolina AUP for Road Runner can be found here.

Access in New Zealand (none / 0) (#33)
by flameboy on Wed Apr 04, 2001 at 06:25:13 PM EST

Well down here in that little dot next to Oz, where $1nz buys about $0.40us =/ adsl costs about $60nz/month for 128Kbps each way "unlimited" (depends on your isp) for the line and isp. That also costs $178nz to have installed and the cheapest 'certified' adsl modem is about $290nz. The cheapest "high speed" adsl is $70nz/month ($20nz for isp, $50 for line) adsl modem rental costs another $30/month. Thats capped at 400MB/month and costs $0.20 per MB over that =/. About the only other option at the moment (where I live) is a Satellite/phone setup, which is limited to 256Kbps and 2 GB/month for $49nz/month or $59/month gets you an uncapped speed for 300hrs but again only 2GB/month. The install cost is $99 but it also requires a phoneline on top of those prices and all uploads are by modem =/ at 31.2Kbps.

Whirlpool Whiners (none / 0) (#35)
by NightRain on Thu Apr 05, 2001 at 12:12:32 AM EST

I can't say that the comments on this article overly surprise me. The result seems to be that the cost in Aus is roughly the same as everywhere else comparable in the world. This meaning apparently that it's just a case of Whirlpool being full of whiners. But then if you visit the site often you already know that ;)

Don't vote, it only encourages them!

No ADSL here yet... (none / 0) (#36)
by mamtchenkov on Thu Apr 05, 2001 at 05:23:35 AM EST

Yup... the best of the best in here are announcing ADSL to come here this year. Meanwhile you can get an old-fashioned leased line for A LOT OF money. Not every organization can have even one of those 128Kbps ones.

56Kbps dial-up connection costs approx. 20USD per month + 0.5 USD per each hour of use.

P.S.: This is called Cyprus. I bet you cannot even find it on the map :)

Leonid Mamtchenkov ...I don't need your civil war...
Alberta, Canada (none / 0) (#37)
by AdamJ on Thu Apr 05, 2001 at 06:21:51 AM EST

I believe that most of the major cities in Alberta are served by @Home (Calgary, Edmonton, Lethbridge for sure), for cable access. Telus offers ADSL in some areas of the province (list), but I haven't done any research into what they offer as they don't serve my area, and even if I did I would be very unlikely to use them - I found their dialup service problematic, partially due to reliability issues and also due to the fact that they have no unlimited time plans for home users.

Monarch.net serves towns in the South/South-East area for both cable TV and internet service. It's still relatively new in my location (Just about to hit 4 months), and I've had my cable modem since January 19th. Cost was $39.95 (Canadian) a month, plus $10 for an extra IP address. Installation was free, as was the first month, and they also paid my dialup bill for that month. They also take a 'virtual' deposit in case you run off with the modem itself, which I believe was $200. In my case they just took a CC number, so they could withdraw the funds if I went AWOL. The only major snag that I found is they didn't advertise that they had a quota (10GB down, 1GB up) until right near the end of their big promotional blitz, and IMO it's still not advertised well. 10GB down isn't too shabby, but 1GB up is a bit slim for my tastes. It basically leaves out being connected to Gnutella or other P2P services for very long. They nail you pretty harshly for going over quota - $10/GB down and $40GB/ up, although they do offer two more advanced plans for those who know they'll need a larger quota. No restrictions on running servers and the like, except for the quota.

Speeds have been quite satisfactory in my experience, and in 2 1/2 months of service I've had a total of about 8 hours downtime, and maybe 4 instances where all transmissions have just stopped for <5 minutes, but extended downtime did not occur.

Telus Vs. Rogers/Shaw (3.00 / 1) (#40)
by contec on Thu Apr 05, 2001 at 06:17:38 PM EST

I've got a different take on the Western Canada highspeed situtation. I live in downtown Vancouver, and used Rogers Cable access for about 2 years - it was constantly up and down, and the connection speed was often not much better than dialup. Eventually I got fed up and switched to Telus ADSL - it took me about 2 months of waiting to get hooked up, but once I did it was worth it. I pay about $40.00 canadian a month for excellent service, always great transfer rates, seemingly endless u/d access, and VERY little down-time. My only beef would be that their 'tiered' system of tech support is very frustrating at times.

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Just got cable (none / 0) (#41)
by Rainy on Fri Apr 06, 2001 at 08:49:26 AM EST

Availability here in US is haphazard - I'm in brooklyn, which is a New York borough, and I only was able to get cable modem about a week ago. There's tons of adsls available but they're all going through COVAD in this area and reportedly COVAD sucks horribly. It takes forever to get everything working, literally 3-4 months. Speeds and connection stability is also very poor with COVAD. Oh, and prices for DSLs just came down to $40 in this area.. I'm rather lucky with this cable, though - it's cablevision service (optimum online) and it's $30 through a special deal where you order a few cable tv channels for a few dollars and they discout $10 off regular $40 monthly fee (yes, this doesn't make much sense). Speeds are very good, up to 400k/s (that's kilobytes) down and at least 100k/s up. There's no caps I'm aware of. So, Aussies are in fact paying less, but they get much less too, with the caps and all. It makes alot of sense to me - a regular web surfer will use up much less bandwidth than some compulsive site-runner but they both pay the same price here, that's mad. US does win when it comes to availability though - afaik it's in almost all decent-sized cities, and in some smaller ones even.
Rainy "Collect all zero" Day
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