Ok, this has been gone over many times, but I'll do it again, just because...
...does anyone really have any doubt that bin Laden and his cronies want to knock off every single non-his-particular-brand-of-fundamentalism country on the planet?
Yup. I doubt it very much. Yes, I know he's said some really inflammatory and threatening statements in the past. He's said "kill 'em all", in a sense. But you know what? He's really angry. People make idle threats all the time. How many times have you seen a bumper sticker that says "Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out"? Do these people want everyone in the world they don't approve of dead? Even if they do, are you afraid they're going to go out and do it? Simple example, yes, but consider this... Bin Laden so far hasn't given us any reason to think that he's systematically attempting to wipe out all non-Islamics. He's suspected to be behind a few terrorist attacks (read that again: suspected). But let's assume he really is the mastermind behind these attacks. There is plenty of information by very well-studied peoples all over the world why he's done these things. People go on terrorist campaigns for reasons. Not just willy-nilly. It's a political agenda. Look up the definition of terrorism. If he wanted to wipe out the largest amounts of westerns as possible, there are better, more efficient ways of doing so than crashing planes into buildings to kill a few thousand people.
It's like the old quote "When the nazis came looking for the Jews I didn't protest because I wasn't Jewish...
No it's not. Not in any way shape or form. See my above quote as to why. He is not responsible for any form of ethnic cleansing or genocide, as WWII Germany was. He is responsible (maybe) for a few acts of major terrorism. BIG difference. He has not come after anyone. He's hit key targets (maybe) because of their psychological effects.
I don't care what you think of our sanctions on Iraq. Right or wrong, they don't make bin Laden's actions any more right. Please. He's a moral man?
Absolutely, two wrongs don't make a right. I don't think anyone on this site has accused him of being a moral person. BUT, I've said this before, and I'll continue to say it, ad infinitum... If I was living in a foreign country, and a foreign power came and killed thousands (nay, millions) of my people and made life damn near unbearable, I don't know what I might do in response to that. You can argue all day long about the morality of my response, but what would you do if you were bullied your whole life?
There is a need for "propaganda." Not over here so much as over in Afghanistan and the various other countries with high degrees of violent fundamentalism. The "propaganda?" Um, life is better this way.
I disagree whole-heartedly. A. Nobody has the right to tell anyone else in the world "you should live this certain way, trust me, I know better". B. Our "way", as you put it, is not depicted accurately, or comprehensively, in your statements. For our "good quality of life", "high standard of living", etc., how many people across the globe are suffering as a result of it? I've given this subject a great, great deal of thought. What I've come up with? Our "way of life" is not sustainable, in the long term. For example, the world does not have enough resources to keep up with our level of consumption forever. I could go on, but don't want to write a dissertation on the subject. But keep in mind that "our way of life" includes terrorizing foreign countries, exploiting cheap labor overseas, drug trafficking, assassinations, increasing repression of free speech and liberties, etc. etc. And why? All in the name of greater profits and higher "standards of living" for our inhabitants. It can't go on forever. We will eventually run out of resources and areas to exploit. It just isn't sustainable. No, we should NOT be teaching "our way of life" to other countries. I'm appalled at the idea.
Stop letting corrupt dictators keep all your resources (oil, aid) for themselves and pushing you all down.
Maybe you should do a little more reading on the subject. Part of the reason OBL is so pissed, and got to where he is right now, stems from his opposition to the (corrupt, oppressive) Saudi monarchy asking the U.S. to establish a military presence in Saudi Arabia, effectively giving us unfettered access to their oil supplies in exchange for keeping them in power and stinking rich. He was a dissident in the country, a voice of major opposition, and was banished because of it. They don't tolerate political dissidents in middle eastern countries nearly as well as they do here in the U.S. (although I do say that statement sort of tongue-in-cheek).
I'm starting to doubt all this happy propaganda about Islam being a religion of peace. Heck, it's just as bad as Christianity. -- Dphitz
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