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India's Parliament attacked; Nobody Notices.

By UncleMikey in Media
Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 04:49:00 AM EST
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As if I haven't burned enough of K5's bandwidth with the Arafat OpEd from yesterday, I'd like to bring to K5's collective attention another modern result of British short-sightedness. :-)

Last Thursday, while everyone was looking a few hundred miles further west waiting to see if we'd nab Usama, a "heavily armed group opened fire in India's parliament complex...killing several people in an unprecedented attack..." (Reuters, 13 December). India's government, of course, blamed Pakistan, or at least militants based out of Jammu and Kashmir backed by Pakistan, and has threatened to attack those targets. Pakistan, of course, has said that any attack waged on its soil by India will trigger strong retaliation.

The media have barely noticed.

(This spot on Yahoo! is probably as good a place as any to read up on it).


So, we find ourselves facing the very real prospect of Indian-Pakistani violence at the same moment that Israel and the Palestinians are escalating their conflict, and most of the world hasn't noticed.

Maybe this shouldn't be such a surprise to me. The only reason the world is noticing what's going on in Israel is because the Afghan war is winding down. But these are two nuclear powers we're talking about here, and they're growling at each other like angry cats. Furthermore, this was an attack on the world's largest democracy's parliament. If someone attacked Congress, don't you think we'd see it top of the headlines just about everhwhere in the world?

But no, today (Monday the 17th) was the first time since it happened on Thursday (the 13th) that this event merited a spot on the top five headlines on Yahoo! I also peruse headlines from many other news sources during the course of my daily surfing; maybe I'm just too pre-occupied, myself, but I didn't see this story once before today!

It's not that stories haven't been filed on the subject -- Yahoo! has a long string of articles since Thursday on the page referenced in the Intro. It's just that none of them have made the 'top headlines'.

And that's just bloody astonishing to me. Am I the only one?

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India's Parliament attacked; Nobody Notices. | 53 comments (48 topical, 5 editorial, 0 hidden)
BBC News coverage (4.60 / 15) (#1)
by pwhysall on Mon Dec 17, 2001 at 07:15:53 PM EST

It's been covered in full at BBC News.

Eyewitness: Attack on India power centre

In quotes: Indian parliament attack

Pakistan leads world condemnation

Suspects held over parliament raid

Much of this stuff was on the front page when originally posted.
--
Peter
K5 Editors
I'm going to wager that the story keeps getting dumped because it is a steaming pile of badly formatted fool-meme.
CheeseBurgerBrown

Yep. (3.50 / 2) (#19)
by FredBloggs on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 05:12:34 AM EST

He`s probably talking about the american media. Frankly i`m suprised they`re aware of whats been going on in Afghanistan.

[ Parent ]
Wash Post, too; Coverage no worse than usual! (none / 0) (#41)
by ToastyKen on Wed Dec 19, 2001 at 05:10:05 AM EST

The Washington Post has front page coverage on the topic, too.

It just depends on where you're looking for your news, I guess. I had a strong reaction when I first read this article, but a friend convinced me that this really is just a continuation of what's been going on, and the coverage in this case at least isn't really particularly worse than usual.

I was particularly convinced when I noticed that the BBC and the Washington Post both DO actually have semi-prominent front page articles on the subject.

[ Parent ]

Nobody? (3.77 / 9) (#2)
by svampa on Mon Dec 17, 2001 at 07:16:37 PM EST

At least in Spain. It has been the front page in paper and TV news for several days.



you foget... (3.00 / 1) (#14)
by Trickster on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 04:48:33 AM EST

like it or not (i'm in the later category if you care) this site (and most of the osdn network for that matter) is US-centric, many people here live in the us and "everyone" there means US and maybe canada. :)

tst



[ Parent ]
Re: you foget... (none / 0) (#40)
by macpeep on Wed Dec 19, 2001 at 02:34:05 AM EST

I agree with what you say that with many (not all) people in the USA, "everyone" and "world" seems to be "The USA and maybe Canada". "World Series Baseball" being a shining example of that.

However.. I don't think Kuro5hin is totally US centric at all. That's one of the reasons I like it so much. Maybe it's just the attitudes but I think a lot of readers & contributors are European. Are there any stats about this, like perhaps a poll at some point?

A lot of people who reacted to this article said "here in [european country] we heard a lot of news about this!". Well, here in Finland too. My initial reaction to this article was the same as for many others; "What do you mean 'nobody notices'?"

[ Parent ]
No kidding. (3.75 / 12) (#3)
by delmoi on Mon Dec 17, 2001 at 07:20:32 PM EST

I saw a link about it on MeFi the day of, and when I turned on CNN to get more news they weren't even talking about it. Just Israel-Palestine stuff.

I'm beginning to wonder perhaps the US's reaction to OBL and Al Queda wasn't incorrect. Not because it was wrong to go after the Taliban, but because it gives any other country a 'precedent' to attack countries that they unilaterally claim 'support' terrorism. India can do whatever it wants to Pakistan (aside from the nuke issue of course... but India has many more and powerful (er?) nukes and a much larger landmass) And Israel can do whatever it wants to the Palestinians.

One interesting thing to note, There are only three countries that wholly (as in a majority of the people in) supported our military action in Afghanistan. Ourselves, the US, Israel, and India.
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"'argumentation' is not a word, idiot." -- thelizman
US vs. the world (none / 0) (#6)
by ucblockhead on Mon Dec 17, 2001 at 08:34:23 PM EST

Here's what's really interesting: for whatever reason, CNN's site doesn't deal with Opera well, and always defaults me to their asian site. The attack on India's parliament is plastered all over that page, but go to the US site, and there's nary a peep about it. Same media company, different headlines.

Though the "other top news" section has other stories that perhaps they judged the American public to be more interested in.

It also doesn't seem to make their european edition. Apparently they think that only Asians care about India.

(Though it is on the US site of you go to the "World News" section.)
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Makes sense (4.00 / 1) (#32)
by physicsgod on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 02:56:25 PM EST

India is at best a regional power. Yes they have nuclear weapons but their delivery systems make them a threat to Pakistan, China, and Indonesia. A war between Pakistan and India would really suck for those in the region but the only concern in Europe and North America would be the loss of life in Asia. As opposed to the US or Russia who could fight a "war" with anyone on the planet.

What I've heard in the US media was 1) Indian parliment was attacked by gunmen, 13 dead (on the day of the attack) and 2) India accuses Pakistan of supporting the attack and threatens war. And that's all I'm really interested in, I don't care about the law-enforcement practices in the respective countries.

--- "Those not wearing body armor are hereby advised to keep their arguments on-topic" Schlock Mercenary
[ Parent ]

World News (4.00 / 1) (#37)
by tripwyre on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 10:05:43 PM EST

My prime hours for TV are from 1am EST to 3am EST. CNN's World News comes on at this time and it's totally different from the CNN coverage later in the day. World News spent quite a bit of time with this recent attack on India's parliament and I suspect that this is because CNN is competing in Europe at these times. The "God Bless America" crap is kept to a minimum and it reminds me of News Hour w/Jim Leher or BBC rather than Fox News.

Jonathan Groth

[ Parent ]
Other Countries that support it (none / 0) (#8)
by yuri on Mon Dec 17, 2001 at 09:18:39 PM EST

I'm sorry but I do believe a majority of the British and Canadians fully supported this action as well. I'm sure this list can be expanded to include a lot of countries, besides those such as Afganistan and India that may have personal reasons to hate the Taliban and Al Quida. If you know anyone in other countries, ask them what they think the word on the street is. I know that the word on the street in both Britain and Canada is firmly in support.

[ Parent ]
Britian may not support the action (none / 0) (#21)
by rdskutter on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 06:51:30 AM EST

I don't know about the majority of the Brits supporting the action

Whilst the media and the government keep pulling polls out that show that above 50% of the British populace support the action, almost everyone I speak to thinks that the British forces should not be involved.

The British press like to define public opinion as meaning The Opinion of the Editor. Its a British thing. I don't read papers or watch the news on tv much, I get most of my news from the internet so I tend to have a different view on the news to the people who read the papers everyday.

[ Parent ]
Unsourced? (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by chrome koran on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 08:55:57 AM EST

"There are only three countries that wholly (as in a majority of the people in) supported our military action in Afghanistan. Ourselves, the US, Israel, and India."

Frankly, I'm not totally disinclined to believe that statement, however, it would carry a bit more weight if you could actually tell us how you came to that conclusion??? Public opinion polls from respected agencies or news services? Or just your best guess? :-) Have you monitored public opinion polls in hundreds of countries around the world to come to this conclusion, or did you read it somewhere else? What time frame is this statistic from? September 13th? two weeks later? when the US first started bombing? present?

The biggest problem with political discussions on both kuro5hin and /. is that people have a habit of making bold assertions like that without providing any evidence to back them up...They sound nice, but do they really contribute anything to the discussion if you can't ground them in fact?

[ Parent ]

some pictures of the event and its aftermath (4.00 / 3) (#5)
by sayke on Mon Dec 17, 2001 at 07:50:29 PM EST

yahoo has some good pictures here. it seems the indian army is still using sten guns. heh.


sayke, v2.3.1 /* i am the middle finger of the invisible hand */

indian army sten guns (5.00 / 1) (#48)
by fockewulf on Wed Dec 19, 2001 at 06:01:39 PM EST

it's actually the sterling 9mm carbine 1A, a replacement for the much older sten as a submachine gun.

[ Parent ]
So? (none / 0) (#49)
by CodeLust on Thu Dec 20, 2001 at 03:03:38 PM EST

If you cared to read through the stories you would see that it was unarmed guards that stopped a possible massacre by people who were armed with kalashnikovs, RDX and hand grenades.

Compare and contrast with 9/11, with all the goddamn agencies that one needs for snooping and multi billion dollar budgets a group of freakoes brought a whole nation to its knees and not even a single nuke or c'd stop it.

I know its an unfair comparison, but give credit where its due people... US got to know what terrorism was only after 9/11, the rest of the world has been putting up with many such shit propped up and funded by the US over the decades. At least India did not go and bomb Pakistan (till now) or even cite the hidden hands and go and bomb all and sundry.


Consistency is my strong point: I am equally bad at everything!
[ Parent ]

Oooh oooh! I noticed! (3.44 / 9) (#7)
by joegee on Mon Dec 17, 2001 at 08:44:58 PM EST

For what it's worth I saw this covered on the US' ABC News evening broadcast, and on CNN.

You're right though, the tensions between India and Pakistan are quite disturbing, especially in light of both countries' nuclear capabilities. I am hopeful that the world's focus will shift to this region before a few million people on both sides become radioactive dust.

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India, Pakistan and the Bomb (3.33 / 6) (#11)
by AzTex on Mon Dec 17, 2001 at 10:05:52 PM EST

Mindful Link Propagation: An article in the 2001-12 issue of Scientific American tells why "The Indian subcontinent is the most likely place in the world for a nuclear war".

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** AzTex **

Welcome to India (3.00 / 8) (#13)
by n8f8 on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 03:26:00 AM EST

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7/1/1991---United Liberation Front of Assam (ULFA)---Kidnapping---Civilian---Assam,India---1---0
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7/4/1995---Al Faran---Hostage-taking---Tourist---Kashmir,India---1---0
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11/21/1995---Jammu and Kashmir---Bombing---Restaurant---New Delhi,India---0---22
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8/11/1998---United Liberation Front of Assam (ULFA)---Bombing---Plant/Factory---Thekraguri,India---0---0
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11/28/1998---Unknown---Bombing---Pipeline/Powerline---Assam,India---1---5
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12/18/1998---Unknown---Bombing
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6/22/1999---Unknown---Bombing---Train/Railway---Jalpaiguri Railway Station,India---10---59
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8/16/1999---Unknown---Bombing---Train/Railway---Calcutta,India---0---0
<TD>---Indian police found a large quantity of explosives with timers and batteries on arailway platform in Calcutta. During a routine check, policemen found two cartons containing explosives on a platform in the Sealdah railway station. An initial investigation
8/25/1999---Unknown---Handgrenade---Marketplace---Sopore,India---0---11
<TD>---Eleven people including two Indian security force personnel were wounded when suspected separatist guerrillas lobbed a grenade into the crowded Iqbal market in Jammu and Kashmir state.
3/16/2000---Unknown---Bombing---Marketplace---Delhi,India---0---7
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7/25/2000---Unknown---Bombing---Bus stop---Jullundur,India---7---20
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8/10/2000---Hizb-ul Mujehideen---Car Bomb---Bank---Srinigar, Kashmir,India---10---27
<TD>---Ten people were killed and 27 injured in the explosion of a car bomb in Srinigar. The blast occurred at around 12:15 outside the State Bank of India, where Indian troops collect their salaries.Witnesses said that a grenade was hurled at an army vehicle pa
8/12/2000---Unknown---Handgrenade---Tourist Site---Srinigar, Kashmir,India---0---4
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9/22/2000---Unknown---Bombing---Tourist Site---Sangaldan, Kashmir,India---7---6
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<TD>---A prominent Shia politician, Agha Syed Mehdi, was killed by the explosion of a landmine beneath his car in Kashmir's Budgam district. His driver and four bodyguards also died in the blast, which may have been triggered by remote control. The attack occurr
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6/8/2001---Unknown---Handgrenade---Place of Worship---Charar-e-Sharif ,India---4---50---2---At least four Muslim worshippers were killed, and more than 50 wounded when militantsthrew a grenade into a crowd of worshippers at the Hazrat Sheikh Noor-ud-Din Wali Muslim shrine in central Kashmir. Three of thedead were women, and most of the injured w


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K5 embedded markup... (none / 0) (#15)
by Sanityman on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 04:55:03 AM EST

Does not include tables. As you can see by glancing at the tags displayed directly below the "Comment" box.

That aside, your point could have been made in a quarter of the lines by some thoughtful editing and perhaps a link to the news service you copied these headlines from.

Sanityman



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[ Parent ]
Thoughtful (none / 0) (#18)
by n8f8 on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 05:06:03 AM EST

The data came from a database on my PC. I converted the table to DD's but I missed some td's. Sorry.

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[ Parent ]
yes, but (4.71 / 7) (#17)
by ragnarok on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 05:02:53 AM EST

Do you realize just how difficult it was to get the world to sit up and take notice of the war in East Timor?

(Not that I'm claiming anything for my own deeds of course. Just that someone recast Indonesia in East Timor as a prime example of the violation of the Apartheid Convention. But private persons with a need to demand action on particular urgencies, are generally treated with a certain amount of contempt by the powers that be. And quite justifiably, too.)

Face it, the great powers have their hangers-on, and that includes the media circus. And great powers don't have time for anything besides contemplating the spectacular magnificence of their navels and their arses, preparatory to giving the latter items a long celebratory kiss.

Pakistan and India could blast themselves silly tomorrow and unless it affected the West's access to oil or the Asian trade routes, all that would happen would be that you would have numbers of military "observers" taking down details of how and what and where, and who, and running them through the Military Academy/College courses on Military History and Doctrine. If you doubt me, just consider how long it took before the US could face the impact of Agent Orange on its own servicemen, and they've never yet apologized to the Vietnamese.


"And it came to healed until all the gift and pow, I, the Lord, to divide; wherefore behold, all yea, I was left alone....", Joseph Smith's evil twin sister's prophecies
Interests are interresting (2.33 / 3) (#30)
by Lenny on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 01:27:24 PM EST

Pakistan and India could blast themselves silly tomorrow and unless it affected the West's access to oil or the Asian trade routes, all that would happen would be that you would have numbers of military "observers" taking down details of how and what and where, and who, and running them through the Military Academy/College courses on Military History and Doctrine. It looks like you are stating that the U.S. tends to focus on its interests. No shit...?
"Hate the USA? Boycott everything American. Particularly its websites..."
-Me
[ Parent ]
India's Parliament attacked; Nobody Notices. (3.33 / 3) (#20)
by martinconaghan on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 05:39:55 AM EST

Are you using the same internet as the rest of us? This story was all over the news, both on television and on the internet. The BBC have covered it extensively and the BBC NEWS website has an entire section devoted to the coverage of the attack.

British? (3.00 / 3) (#23)
by titivillus on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 09:11:31 AM EST

.... another modern result of British short-sightedness. :-)
Pardon. I saw the smiley, but India, when held by Britain, was India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and more. That was the India that was lead to freedom by Gandhi, but broke into two countries over fighting between Hinus and Muslims. I don't see where the British had anything to do with that conflict.



Good 'ole Colonization (none / 0) (#38)
by linca on Wed Dec 19, 2001 at 01:08:12 AM EST

A very good way to rule over a country your are not a part of is to divide its part and have them fight against each other. That was the case in Rwanda ; tribes that were relatively peaceful to each other in the 19th century killed each other by the thousands in the 20th, as Belgium had increased the rivalry between the Tutsi and the Hutus. The British rule over India had the same effect : Muslims and Hindus began to hate each other. So, yeah, it the Brit's fault, as usual.

[ Parent ]
Yes British! (none / 0) (#52)
by DaIllest on Fri Dec 21, 2001 at 06:30:31 AM EST

Hindus & Muslims managed to live together quite well together until India was split up by the British so yes it was their fault!

[ Parent ]
Not Nobody (3.85 / 7) (#24)
by mcherm on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 09:27:51 AM EST

"Nobody Notices" indeed! I heard a detailed report on it immediately afterward. Perhaps it's because my favorite news source is NPR, but one way or another the word DID get out there to some folks.

On the other hand, I certainly do agree that it's important enough news to belong, for instance, in the news section of K5... so thanks for the article.



-- Michael Chermside
What? (3.66 / 3) (#25)
by mafryer on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 09:35:56 AM EST

As US news sources are notorious for only covering news stories in the US, what do you expect? Try using BBC News Online for decent coverage of world news. There was loads of stuff on the TV and on the BBC news site.

I'd also like to hear exactly why you think the British are/were short-sighted and what they could have done differently given your 20-20 hindsight.

So you heard it late? (2.66 / 3) (#26)
by uweber on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 10:06:23 AM EST

I saw it on the evening TV news last Thursday here in Germany - with no less than a coverage of the firefight and a controled explosion of a bomb. Maybe you should consider lookig for more reliable newssources or even better pressure your lokal media to actally use the newsfeeds the undoubtably get instead of telling the tale of rescued kittens.

Yahoo, msnbc, npr, cnn, rueters, etc. reported it. (2.80 / 5) (#27)
by sonovel on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 10:08:02 AM EST

I've seen news reports on the attack in at least a half dozen U.S. media sources.

So why are you saying it isn't reported?

Perhaps it should be reported on more, but at least two articles were on the front page of msnbc that I recall so to say none of the stories made "top headlines" is incorrect.

CBS had a story on it today (12/18) (3.00 / 3) (#35)
by sonovel on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 08:50:04 PM EST

Dan Rather talked about it on the Evening News.

So much for the "U.S. media didn't report the story" story.

[ Parent ]
MSNBC again, + comment, don't rate (5.00 / 1) (#53)
by sonovel on Fri Dec 21, 2001 at 12:21:38 PM EST

MSNBC had another front page story on the the India Pakistan situation.

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martman --

what the hell is your problem?

I post an on topic, factually based response and you rate it as a '1', but don't comment?

What exactly is your point?

Do you disagree with the facts I present?

Given that a big thrust of the original story was that mainstream media didn't report on the situation, I think my counter examples are a direct response to the story. Do you disagree?

Are you capable of responding to me? Do you use ratings as "punishment" for people you disagree with but are not capable of responding to?

This is supposed to be a discussion site, not a "rate down things that are true, but that I disagree with" site.

Same goes to you bablooo.

[ Parent ]
Actually... (4.50 / 4) (#28)
by UncleMikey on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 10:42:48 AM EST

...I'm rather surprised at the reaction to this little piece of mine. Apparently, editorial comments don't survive past the vote-in process, but I admitted there that this article should have been focused strictly on the news story itself, and that I let myself get distracted by the fact that this was a five-day-old story and just now pinging my radar. It appears that this was at least partially my own pre-occupation rather than a complete failure of the news services.

That said, apparently some number of people either were similarly pre-occupied, or else just thought that the underlying news story needed attention here on K5, because it did get voted to the FP, even after I admitted that the article was probably not what it should have been. I'm quite surprised by this -- I expected to find it voted out or relegated to the News section only.

Lesson learned: next time I hit upon a situation like this where I think a story deserves better coverage, I'll simply cover it, and not waste time railing against the media.
--
[ Uncle Mikey | Radio Free Tomorrow ]
[ot] editorial comments (5.00 / 1) (#36)
by greenrd on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 10:04:21 PM EST

Apparently, editorial comments don't survive past the vote-in process,

They do, they're just hidden by default. Choose "All comments" on the first combo box on that little control panel between the article and the comments.


"Capitalism is the absurd belief that the worst of men, for the worst of reasons, will somehow work for the benefit of us all." -- John Maynard Keynes
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Yes I agree!! (4.33 / 9) (#29)
by pamri on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 12:05:30 PM EST

This Times of India editorial (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?catkey=-2128669051&art_id=2105284008&sType=) also states the same thing. Qoute: The American mainline papers took cursory note of the attack, giving precedence to the bin Laden tape, the conflict in West Asia and the US withdrawal from the ABM treaty. There was no shock, no outrage expressed at the fact that the world's largest democracy had survived an attack on an institution that represents the sovereign will of a billion people. Since, I live here (india), I can take the liberty to state that when the event happened, Cnn & Bbc did not drop their respective programs. The coverage they gave today to our Home minister's statement about India's patience being running out,etc., was better covered than the actual event. IMHO, this may be due to the fact, that tora bora has fallen.

The media is ignoring it? (3.40 / 5) (#31)
by aphrael on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 02:39:49 PM EST

Which media, pray tell? The New York Times reported it on the front page, as did the Wall Street Journal. The CNN breaking headline email thing that i've subscribed to since 9/11 emailed me about it. It's got a sizeable story in this week's _Economist_. How is this *ignoring* it?

subject (1.66 / 3) (#33)
by Prophet themusicgod1 on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 05:43:04 PM EST

nuclear war flashpoint much?
"I suspect the best way to deal with procrastination is to put off the procrastination itself until later. I've been meaning to try this, but haven't gotten around to it yet."swr
Ignored? (2.66 / 3) (#34)
by NovaHeat on Tue Dec 18, 2001 at 06:37:30 PM EST

I wouldn't say that this story has been ignored at all. I've seen it all over newspapers and on several webpages online. I also recall seeing it on the nightly news.

But I share your trepidation about this... we don't really know how responsible either of those countries will be with their nuclear weapons... my personal feeling is that they won't take things to that level... but you never know. However, one of the stories I read noted that Pakistan offered help in tracking down and apprehening the people responsible. I have a feeling this will blow over relatively peacefully, but if conflict does indeed arise, and if it is left unchecked, it's quite possible that it could escalate... not to the "OH MY GOD IT WILL BE WORLD WAR TRHEE!!!!" level that I've seen some folks talking about... but it could rise the the point of a pretty sizable conflict.

-----

Rose clouds of flies.

That isn't news (1.00 / 1) (#39)
by Publicus on Wed Dec 19, 2001 at 02:14:16 AM EST

What is, however, is that Marines raised an American Flag today above the airport in Kandehar. Don't you watch Fox News?
Times like these are trying, soulwise

Nobody said it is (none / 0) (#47)
by mali on Wed Dec 19, 2001 at 05:50:20 PM EST

What he implied was the little attention this event received. Don't you read the article before posting?

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US Troops in the crossfire (2.00 / 1) (#42)
by NexusVoid on Wed Dec 19, 2001 at 05:34:48 AM EST

And this (the possible lobbing around of nukes or even just conventional weapons) becomes yet more disturbing given the current concentration of US troops in Pakistan.

Why? (4.00 / 5) (#43)
by brunes69 on Wed Dec 19, 2001 at 07:28:39 AM EST

Why should the fact that US troops are involved make this any more disurbing? What, the lives of US military troop are vastly mor eimportant than the democraticly elected leaders of a nation?



---There is no Spoon---
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Because, (1.25 / 4) (#44)
by TheReverend on Wed Dec 19, 2001 at 10:49:02 AM EST

Some of us don't care if they blow each other up, we just want them to stay away from us.

And please no rhetoric about how we actually caused this or are in some way responsible, as it's way too early.

---
"Democratic voting is specifically about minority rights" --Infinitera
lol
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A truly conspiratorial theory ... (none / 0) (#51)
by aphrael on Thu Dec 20, 2001 at 06:45:08 PM EST

There's been some speculation in the US press that the US is concerned about this because it might distract Pakistan at a time when the US wants Pakistan to be closely monitoring its borders, etc, in case bin Laden and his cohorts try and dash across the border.

This makes me wonder: what is the possibility that this was staged by Pakistani intelligence --- many members of that organization are known to be pro-taliban --- expressly for the purpose of creating that distraction? That's the only story i've heard under which the Indian allegation of Pakistani involvement makes any sense.

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Nuke scaremongering... (5.00 / 4) (#45)
by zander106 on Wed Dec 19, 2001 at 11:59:28 AM EST

Every single article I have seen on this story highlights the fact that both India and Pakistan are nuclear powers. There are fears about both countries lobbing nukes at each other if the current crisis deteriorates into war.

There seems to be a patronizing implication made in these stories and comments. That implication is that neither two of these South Asian nations can handle their nukes. The United States and the Soviet Union survived fifty years of Cold War without launching a single nuke at each other, despite building stockpiles of thousands upon thousands of nukes. Is there any reason to think that India and Pakistan can not exercise the same caution in using such massively destructive weapons? I believe that everyone in the world knows what nukes can do, and I also ultimately believe that it is because of that fear, no nukes have been used since Nagasaki.

More to the point here, I also believe India and Pakistan know this too. I can see some kind of conventional conflict taking place. Weeks of fighting between masses of troops in the Kashmir area (or beyond). It would certainly be a very bad conflict, and, as an aside, a great cover for UBL while he bides his time and tries to sneak back to Saudi Arabia during pilgrimages to Mecca late January-early February.

But there definitely sems to me an unfounded concern about how quickly the conflict would devolve into nuclear war. India and Pakistan may not be world superpowers in the same way that the United States and the Soviet Union were, and they may not be at the same level of development or economic strength as either were, but that doesn't imply that they are stupid or irresponsible. Clearly some are calling for war - the Parliament leader Advani seems to be rather hawkish in accounts I've read. They won't risk the utter devastation of a nuclear war, though.

To address the original posting, I believe the television media should be covering this more. There are plenty of sources online, best of all probably http://www.saja.org, a resource on South Asia for journalists. But this story hasn't had significant coverage on CNN or MSNBC or network news (and definitely not in the first 15 minutes of any half-hour or even hour-long news shows), and it has the serious potential to complicate our dealings in the area. And really, as the original poster remarked, this is truly analogous to armed gunmen breaking into the Capitol building and opening fire on anything they could see. Same thing.

Certainly more worthy of coverage than Drew Barrymore and Tom Green breaking up. Is it safe to say that, as The Onion commented, we can go back to caring about stupid bullshit again?

Cold War is hardly a comparison (none / 0) (#46)
by mali on Wed Dec 19, 2001 at 05:44:07 PM EST

Let's not forget two things:

* US & SU never escalated the conflict (that's why the Cold is in there, remember?).
* The space separation allowed them not to step on each other's toes too much.

Since we are seing the opposite now, I think it really is a dangerous situation.
And let's not ignore the trend in the area - you cannot count on common sense or reasoning - just look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel/Palestine.

Sweet dreams :D

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Yes but (2.50 / 2) (#50)
by aphrael on Thu Dec 20, 2001 at 06:42:19 PM EST

The United States and the Soviet Union survived fifty years of Cold War without launching a single nuke at each other

True. But, also, remember, that there were numerous crises over the course of those fifty years where it seemed highly likely that they would launch nukes. The fact that they didn't doesn't mean the danger wasn't there; and it seems perfectly reasonable for someone to say, hey look, this is at least as dangerous as the nuclear arms race during the cold war was. (Worse, in some ways, because they (a) share a land border, and (b) have less international attention focused on them).

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