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The fallacy of Katrina Aid

By tannhaus in Media
Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 05:19:59 AM EST
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I live right beside the New Orleans airport. I am a survivor of Hurricane Katrina. I keep seeing all these stories and press announcements about how we're receiving tons of aid. However, this is my story...the story from someone who was there and is still in this horrible situation.

I was a resident of Kenner, which is the suburb where the New Orleans airport is located.


August 29th, 2005 is a day we're all well aware of now. Hurricane Katrina pummeled the city of New Orleans and left wide devastation. In the days and hours proceeding the storm, little aid was given, however, since then, aid is apparently coming from many government agencies and other sources. If you listen to the media, that is the impression you get. The reality is quite different.

I am a cab driver by trade. I worked right up until the 6 pm curfew the evening before Katrina hit. New Orleans is always subject to many close calls. Many of us thought this would be exactly that: a close call. If you had money, you left. If you didn't have money, you stayed and rode it out.

However, this was the "big one" we always feared. Katrina slammed into us and devastated the area. The next day, the levees broke and flooded the city. No one left was prepared for anything but a close call. Here we were in a disaster that no one really believed deep down would ever happen.

I had a bit more than one day's food and water stored. I figured, like many, it would be a close call, one of the near misses that New Orleans is famous for. In my 10 years of living in the city, we have evacuated no less than 10 times. However, not one of those times was a big deal. The hurricane missed us and New Orleans dodged the bullet.

The nightmare became all too real the day after Katrina hit. I walked down the street and was dumbfounded by what I saw. Buildings made out of concrete had been knocked down. Whole houses had been ripped apart. My own next door neighbor's house was only half there. At this point, we were shocked, but not panicking. Everyone had at least one day's food put back. We expected some power outages and such.

The next day was Tuesday. That is when the flooding became severe. It is also when people's food supplies started disappearing. People began looting out of desperation with only a few extreme lowlives stealing electronics and clothing. New Orleans took on the look of a warzone.

Tuesday came and went with no aid coming into the city. I didn't have enough gas to leave the city and it became apparent that the entire parish was without electricity. I began trying to get what little food I could.

Wednesday, we saw the first Red Cross truck pull through the neighborhood. Quite a few had been going without food and water at this point with their stores depleted. They ran into the streets screaming for the Red Cross truck to stop. It didn't. The day went by with no aid whatsoever. Twice I became dizzy, stopped sweating and my skin turned beet red. I almost succumbed to heat exhaustion but a neighbor gave me a 20 oz bottle of water, helping me pull through.

In desperation, I syphoned gas out of a parked car. The police had told me I could get gas in the next town over which is named La Place. I was able to retrieve four gallons of gas for the journey and sat out for La Place. However, when I got there, they were in the same situation. The police had lied. No gas or electricity was to be found in La Place.

I ended up having to travel all the way to Baton Rouge, barely making it on the four gallons I had syphoned out of the parked car. I gassed up there and began making the trip back home to pack up and evacuate. I had been sure I'd die before I got aid and this was the first ray of hope I had since the hurricane hit. However, hope soon disappeared.

Something else the police did not tell me became apparent. Even though I left the city to get gas, I now could not reenter in order to pack my things and leave. I was forced to spend 13 hours in my car with no food and water before I finally found a cop that took pity on me and allowed me to go back to my house and pack.

I packed what would fit into my car and left the city. I have family in Birmingham and headed to stay with them. I could not afford to do so, but I had no choice. It was a life or death situation. We had no aid coming into the city and no supplies. The one shelter we had in our suburb was much too far for people to walk to and there was no public transportation running. By the time I got gas, they had already evacuated the sheltered homeless elsewhere.

I keep seeing announcements on the news about how FEMA is giving us money. That is far from the truth. Out of myself and all of my friends I have been able to keep in contact with, none of us have been able to secure aid from FEMA. We were all denied. Most of us had damages to our houses and all of us were under mandatory evacuation.

I have also heard the governor of Louisiana state that many self-employed people were eligible for unemployment. She specifically said cab drivers would be able to receive disaster unemployment. I am a cab driver. I applied for unemployment. I was denied.

I have contacted the Salvation Army as well as attending a big disaster relief effort they had at the Boutwell auditorium in Birmingham. To date, I have not received a single cent of aid from anyone. I have worked for the past 18 years of my life and am now homeless due to Katrina. I had to use rent money that was two months past due in order to evacuate. Now, I cannot even pay that past due rent, much less the rent for August.

I see so many people donating to the relief effort. However, you should know that if the people were not lucky enough to get to the shelters, they are receiving no aid whatsoever. There are thousands like myself that will not receive a dime of aid and will remain homeless because of Katrina.

Even if I were to go back to New Orleans, which I may because I've heard FEMA is asking for cab drivers to come back and I have no choice but to try and make SOME money, I will be going back to an apartment without electricity or running water. They were both cut off right before the storm and I was forced to use the money I would have paid on them for gas. Then, when my landlord is able to arrive back in town, I will be evicted.

It makes me sick that I've worked 10-12 hour days driving a cab and I'm now in a situation where I'm homeless. Every time I see a commercial or an advertisement talking about Hurricane Katrina relief efforts, it turns my stomach. I am a victim of Hurricane Katrina first. I am a victim of the United States government second.

They call me a hurricane survivor. I say that I have survived nothing. It would have been better if I had died in the storm itself.

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The fallacy of Katrina Aid | 206 comments (151 topical, 55 editorial, 0 hidden)
Scoop? (2.00 / 2) (#2)
by BJH on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 02:54:12 AM EST

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

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Roses are red, violets are blue.
I'm schizophrenic, and so am I.
-- Oscar Levant

Scooped! -nt (none / 1) (#3)
by zenador on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 03:00:28 AM EST



[ Parent ]
17 friggin' seconds. IFI. [nt] (none / 1) (#4)
by BJH on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 03:04:32 AM EST

I said NO TEXT.
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Roses are red, violets are blue.
I'm schizophrenic, and so am I.
-- Oscar Levant

[ Parent ]
thanks (none / 1) (#17)
by tannhaus on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 09:22:49 AM EST

I corrected it

[ Parent ]
Could you not (2.00 / 3) (#6)
by IceTitan on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 03:28:32 AM EST

Stay with family and drive a cab in Birmingham?
Nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
cab in birmingham (2.50 / 2) (#12)
by tannhaus on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 09:13:23 AM EST

I don't know my way around Birmingham, nor do I have the money for all the fees/licenses/etc that would be required.  I'm renting this cab that I took with me, so I have to take it back to them this week.  So, since I'm there...

[ Parent ]
Well damn.. (1.33 / 3) (#155)
by emmons on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 05:02:40 PM EST

You life just totally sucks, don't it? There's nothing you could ever possibly do to improve your situation, is there? Let me guess, nothing bad that has ever happend to you is your fault either, is it?

Bitch bitch bitch.. instead of complaining, why not try to find a way to improve your situation? This guy gave you a suggestion and all you could do is complain about why it wouldn't work. No wonder you're in this mess.

You know what.. there's going to be a gigantic construction boom in NO pretty soon. I'm sure you can manage to live until that starts, and then you can get a construction job and earn some decent money. If only enough to get out of NO and move to a city that's above sea level.

But wait, I'm sure you have an excuse that makes that impossible too, don't you?

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[ Parent ]

I don't understand this comment. (none / 1) (#157)
by hentai on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 06:55:08 PM EST

Compassion is almost free; this vitriol actually requires more effort to muster and type than a simple "I wish you luck!". What does it benefit you to kick a man when he's down? What is the pay-off?

[ Parent ]
Thank you... (none / 1) (#158)
by mikelist on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 07:50:10 PM EST

...for making a vey good point.

All the second-guessing is just that, I'm convinced that put in the same place, many of the rugged individualists would've made the same 'stupid' mistakes they are taking you to task for.

[ Parent ]

Alternatively (none / 0) (#170)
by marx on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 07:44:12 PM EST

You could not have voted for Bush. That would have been even easier. But no, I'm sure you'll have an excuse for that too. Ignorant American half-wit.

Join me in the War on Torture: help eradicate torture from the world by holding torturers accountable.
[ Parent ]

my advice... (3.00 / 4) (#7)
by pb on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 04:31:38 AM EST

Set up a PayPal account, and post your story in a few places where it will be more widely disseminated. I'd suggest Daily Kos, for one, as there has been a keen interest in survivor stories. Also, when you do get your account of this posted somewhere, add it to dkosopedia's Hurricane Katrina survivor stories category.

Also this may not apply to you, but I've heard that the Red Cross is paying people's hotel bills for at least 2 weeks--we're talking up to $1,500 per person or so. Hopefully they'll be funding other aid efforts with the now greater than $500 million dollars they've collected.

Good luck! :(
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-- pwhysall

suggestions (3.00 / 3) (#15)
by tannhaus on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 09:21:30 AM EST

Well, this is not an attempt to get money.  I'd feel very weird setting up a paypal account and saying "Hey, I'm a stranger.  PAY ME!"  But, I just thought people would be interested in knowing the truth of all this.  

As far as the Red Cross, I'm actually going to try and apply with them today.  My earlier attempts were unsuccessful, so I'm travelling to a different city and trying.  I will apply there and the food stamp office.  Here's to hoping.


[ Parent ]

good luck! (3.00 / 4) (#23)
by pb on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 11:47:59 AM EST

I will just say that lots of people are donating money to strangers through PayPal these days. Often it goes to the Red Cross anyhow, but the point is that it is donated with the intent that it will be spent on hurricane relief, to help the victims of this storm.

If you can't get help from The Red Cross, or FEMA, etc., I'd imagine that many of the people donating money and paying taxes would want to know this. I know I did, and I'm grateful for your account. I'm sure others would be as well.
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[ Parent ]

bah (3.00 / 5) (#20)
by tannhaus on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 10:08:03 AM EST

I guess it won't hurt to try *wince*

Famous last words, eh?

[ Parent ]

you were struggling before katrina hit (1.00 / 5) (#8)
by nietsch on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 07:25:52 AM EST

So not all of you struggling can be attributed to Katrina. It appears you got your means of emplayment with you when you left, so it is not like you have no options left. I think you take that paypal advice to heart, there are probaly some suckers out thee willing to give you some money. But please be honest and donate the surplus you don't need to some katrina relief fund you trust.

means of employment (3.00 / 3) (#11)
by tannhaus on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 09:09:03 AM EST

It is true that I was struggling, but it was something I was getting under control.  I had a car wreck that left me with a herniated disc about 6 months before, so I was playing a game of catch-up, but I was catching up.

As far as taking my means of employment with me, that's not entirely true.  For starters, taking their cab with me doesn't do me any good.  I can't use it with another cab company and have to return it when they ask for it.  Also, if you are not familiar with a city, it's not like you can just hop out there and start driving a cab.

[ Parent ]

Society Says Its Ok To Kick The Poor (2.33 / 3) (#54)
by gruntydatsun on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 05:39:45 PM EST

"there are probaly some suckers out thee willing to give you some money"

and there'll be a few mean spirited cheap skates who like to take cheap shots at the poor because it's culturally acceptable to do so.
GRUNTY DATSUN ============== "Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
[ Parent ]
kicking the poor? (none / 0) (#189)
by nietsch on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 02:27:32 PM EST

Mind you that I am 'the poor' myself with no income and only a few bucks in the bank...
As for charity yes I don't believe in it, as most of the time it should be a task of the state to care for the needy and helpless, not for some religious groups. If you are needy you are needy, but to let a private (uncontrolled) organisation with their own agenda judge if you are needy isworse then letting a civil servant determine that.
For his means of employment: I was wrong assuming that it was his own cab

[ Parent ]
liars (none / 1) (#22)
by karb on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 11:42:45 AM EST

The police had lied. No gas or electricity was to be found in La Place.

How did you determine that the police had deceived you?
--
Who is the geek who would risk his neck for his brother geek?

Easy (3.00 / 5) (#29)
by tannhaus on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 12:48:24 PM EST

I acted on his information.  I went to La Place and saw first hand there was no gas.  From there, I had to travel to Baton Rouge to get gas.

[ Parent ]
I think (2.66 / 3) (#33)
by Sgt York on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 12:58:18 PM EST

His point was that they may have just been incorrect. Perhaps they weren't trying to deceive you. They had heard that there was gas there, but that information was wrong or out of date (was gas there yesterday, but not today). That's not the same thing as lying.

There have been a large number of miscommunications in this thing.

There is a reason for everything. Sometimes, that reason just sucks.
[ Parent ]

true (2.66 / 3) (#35)
by tannhaus on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 01:08:26 PM EST

But you'd think, given the desperate situation everyone was in, that the police would not give you incorrect information for something so important.

[ Parent ]
Exactly (3.00 / 6) (#51)
by Sgt York on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 05:28:34 PM EST

And that's not the cop's fault, so you shouldn't blame him. He should have had the proper information, he should have had the proper resources, and he didn't. But only because nobody made them available.

Actually, he shouldn't have had to tell you where to get gas. He should have been able to point to the truck or the bus that was getting ready to get your ass out of there to an aid station or a shelter. Hell, he should have had no one to talk to. You should have been bussed out of there the day before in public transportation.

He should have had a truck to point you to. He should have had an aid station to send you to. But he didn't. And that is not his fault. It's someone else's fault, and it is those people that you should be angry with, not the cop.

He got screwed over, too.

There is a reason for everything. Sometimes, that reason just sucks.
[ Parent ]

There's some blame left (none / 1) (#138)
by xL on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 10:32:01 AM EST

There's a difference between having no information and having disinformation. It's hard to judge this situation from a few thousand miles away, but it would seem one of the following things coule be behind the cop's "lie":
  • Someone up in the chain of command gave the cop misinformation and he repeated it (this one clears the cop of any blame).
  • The cop had no idea where there was gas to be had, but a guy in a uniform is not supposed to say "Gee dude, I don't know!" so he made a wrong guess.
  • The cop knew there was no gas to be had anywhere but didn't want to deal with the problem of telling someone with a desparate need that he couldn't help, so he sent him off to be rid of him.
Now I don't know how Lousiana cops work, but the local cops here in .nl are generally concerned with getting a problem off their plates as quickly as possible. I have to agree that it's silly to see the cop as an evil liar who deliberately sent a victim to the wrong place to aggrevate his problems, but it may still be an issue of a bureaucrat doing what a bureaucrat does best: Turning problems into other people's problems. If that were the case, I would be less than forgiving about the cop's attitude.

[ Parent ]
Absolute conjecture (none / 0) (#166)
by Sgt York on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 11:18:39 AM EST

And that's all this is.

Whatever the cop's reasons, I, like you, find it silly to just say "the cop lied", and let that be the end of it. That ascribes malice to the cop, shifting responsibility from those that should shoulder it. So it's not just silly, it's harmful.

Saying "the cop lied" is the same course of action you propose the cop took; "I don't know, so I'll make a wild guess based on my own motivations and preconceptions."

There is a reason for everything. Sometimes, that reason just sucks.
[ Parent ]

Hypocrit - Wild Guessing Reserved For Nationalists (none / 0) (#173)
by gruntydatsun on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 09:16:16 PM EST

What a hypocrit. Unreal. So anyone who says the cop lied is making a wild guess but you claiming that others should accept responsibility for this cop's actions is WHAT??? A wild guess. Hypocrit.
GRUNTY DATSUN ============== "Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
[ Parent ]
Dumbass (none / 0) (#174)
by Sgt York on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 10:07:47 PM EST

You are either a moron, or a piss-poor troll.

Quick grammar lesson in case it's the former. "All that is" would refer to his statements only. "All this is" would refer to mine + his.

Therefore my statement says that his statements, my statements, and your statements are pure conjecture.

At risk of pointing out the obvious, I reiterate : you are a dumbass.

There is a reason for everything. Sometimes, that reason just sucks.
[ Parent ]

Semantics are for Civilian Liars and Politicians (none / 0) (#176)
by gruntydatsun on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 10:30:36 PM EST

After putting you over my knee and spanking you soundly in other Katrina threads I'm not surprised you've come in here playing the semantic game. I do notice that it's the only point you try to argue, and that your posts are rapidly shortening which is usually a sign of a troll that's just had his ass handed to him. :)

Let me drills some facts into your hollow whistling cranium as you as you appear to be standing on a very low rung of the intelligence ladder. Not surprisingly, your view from down there is a little obscured.

Your letter opens with "And that's all this is". Now you're trying to misrepresent yourself with a pissweak semantic circle wrapped around a lie (presumably to bore readers off this thread). You sir are a dullard liar and not worthy of audience.
GRUNTY DATSUN ============== "Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
[ Parent ]
Please (none / 0) (#183)
by Sgt York on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 11:49:31 AM EST

Learn English. And make an attemot to understand what is meant by "Clarification", which is precisely what my post is.

Words do have specific meanings, you know. And in a medium that lacks inflection and nonverbal cues, an understanding of the meaning of specific words, and special attention to clarifications, is very important.

You may learn that as you grow older.

There is a reason for everything. Sometimes, that reason just sucks.
[ Parent ]

Anyone Notice No Apologists Were In New Orleans (2.50 / 4) (#45)
by gruntydatsun on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 04:44:02 PM EST

Apologists always have an excuse why the government just couldn't quite make it to help you. Until their little girl or boy is left to die slowly while a govt official stands by and watches, they'll blindly believe anything a suit tells them.
GRUNTY DATSUN ============== "Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
[ Parent ]
No (2.88 / 9) (#49)
by Sgt York on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 05:18:14 PM EST

I didn't say that nobody fucked up.

If you read my post, you will realize that I was trying to point at the actual problem instead of going for the emotional response.

The emotional, personal response would be "He lied to me!" which would get the cop in trouble for being intentionally dishonest.

Even in the most drastic of reactions, firing or even lynching the cop for "lying" would not have solved the problem or prevent it from happening again, nor would it punish those responsible. What happened was not the dishonesty of one cop, or even of the whole NOPD. The problem was a lack of communication, brought about by the lack of a proper response to a disaster.

Call a spade a spade. It's not just semantics, it is an important distinction that highlights what the real problem was (and is). The cop didn't lie, it was worse than that. He didn't know. It's not his fault, but he didn't know. Holding the cop in contempt for lying is a knee jerk, simplistic response that makes you feel better but solves nothing. Even holding him in contempt for not knowing is overly simplistic. You must determine why he didn't know.

The reason he did not have the right information, the reason he did not know, is because there was no proper communication. There was no proper communication because there was no proper resonse.

Hell, there was no response at all.

There is a reason for everything. Sometimes, that reason just sucks.
[ Parent ]

Haven't Had Someone Try To Sheepdip Me In A While (none / 1) (#126)
by gruntydatsun on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 01:03:23 AM EST

I wasn't talking about that cop or punishing him so the flood of explaining why the cop is blameless was wasted. You've mistakenly thought my post was exclusively about you and not the posts preceeding yours in the thread. The policeman you fixate on will be as much in the "dark" as every person right up to the President. Just like the 9/11 inquiry, no-one will be to blame, a huge list of proposed changes will be made to placate the citizens and handed to the president. He will, as best he can, imitate contrition and will give a corny bullshit speech full of lies about how he'll fix it all, but nothing other than a few nameplates and paychecks will change as a result. Years down the track the whole thing will happen again, and again there will be a miraculous breakdown of communications meaning no-one is to blame...again. You appear to be trying to muddy the waters and make me look like some unreasonable anti-authoritarian which is consistent with the way members of the US govt treat citizens with whom they disagree. Discredit and if that doesn't work, dismember and dispose. The comment about it being too emotional is a textbook way to appeal to men to ignore something and generally discredit the speaker as hysterical.

My point is perfectly valid. The US government rides on the back of the blinkered fools who keep on accepting the pitiful excuse of "noone told me" from the most powerful and best connected man on earth. What a goddamn liar! Have you considered that the poor communication channels are specifically designed to provide plausable deniability to those superior to citizens? Remeber the "poor communication channels", the ones that would be "fixed" after 9/11? How many more lies are you guys prepared to swallow? I wonder, did the children of any famous, rich or powerful Americans end up in that sports centre? Why did Harry Connick Jr get in there before your military? Why did Channel 7 Australia rescue Australians from the mess when our own government was also "unable" to go in there claiming the US government had banned them from entering?

The plan was clearly to starve out those who didn't want to leave in some sadistic kind of seige. I saw that creep Bush on tv this morning trying to save his skin with the old "the buck stops here" routine. I'm guessing that overnight they've managed to confirm that the chain of communications is soundly broken and George has solid plausible deniability of knowledge that could have helped. Shame George Bush Shame. This marks the end of your term of office and a light at the end of the tunnel for decent Americans everywhere.
GRUNTY DATSUN ============== "Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
[ Parent ]
AH (none / 1) (#139)
by Sgt York on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 10:35:51 AM EST

Prescience and conspiracy.

You should have stuck with plain ol' anti-authoritarianism. It makes you look a lot more sane.

As for acceptance of responsibility, Brown got nailed about as hard as anyone in govt has in a good while, and Bush yesterday claimed responsibility for the fuckup at the federal level.

As for what will or will not happen as a result, you go on ahead and claim prescience. I won't. It is a very rare occurance for a President to accept responsibility for something like this (i.e., where people die); I can't remember the last time it has ever happened. The point of plausible deniability is to deflect responsibility. How exactly does that fit with "I accept full responsibility"? It doesn't fit, and you have exposed yourself as someone that has already decided who is at fauly before knowing any facts.

If you are going to have a conspiracy theory, at least have the decency to make it internally consistent. Otherwise, don't waste my time. I've heard much, much better theories.

My personal favorite is the one about the feds blowing the levee after the storm, so they could wipe out the poor neighborhoods and revamp them to revitalize the city. Maybe you should go for that angle.

There is a reason for everything. Sometimes, that reason just sucks.
[ Parent ]

Bring It Propagandist (none / 0) (#171)
by gruntydatsun on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 08:51:49 PM EST

Prescience and conspiracy.
How odd to use a pompous word like prescience in a general forum when you could use one like foresight. The only person I've heard use that word was a lowly qualified beginner uni lecturer who was trying to make himself sound smarter than he was. Anyway I've used some more big words below so you can get more than one use out of that dictionary.

You should have stuck with plain ol' anti-authoritarianism. It makes you look a lot more sane.
...to the morons like yourself who blindly believe anything put in front on them. Believe me Sgt, anyone who accepts your flagwaving over my logic couldn't be convinced by being an eyewitness. That sentence was a pitifully weak attack of allusion even for yourself.

As for what will or will not happen as a result, you go on ahead and claim prescience. I won't. It is a very rare occurance for a President to accept responsibility for something like this (i.e., where people die);
Good thing you didn't claim to have any foresight as you're completely wrong, yet again. He claimed responsibility on television 2 days ago. If you're not keeping up with the story, why are you posting here?

I can't remember the last time it has ever happened.
Two days ago. Get with the program.

The point of plausible deniability is to deflect responsibility. How exactly does that fit with "I accept full responsibility"? It doesn't fit, and you have exposed yourself as someone that has already decided who is at fauly before knowing any facts.
I explained that clearly in my post but since you didn't want to understand I'll state it Dick & Dora style for you.
If GW can prove the message about the dying civilians in the dome never got to him, it's quite alright for him to publicly state that he's taking the blame (as he's not liable). He gets to look like the big man taking it on the chin while later on he can stand in front of the investigation into why aid was so late and "honestly" say he didn't know. Thats how it works. Did that sink in this time? It's farcical for a blind servile follower to accuse someone like me of being prejudiced. What joke!

If you are going to have a conspiracy theory, at least have the decency to make it internally consistent. Otherwise, don't waste my time. I've heard much, much better theories. That was explained above. This sentence is just more sheepdip attempting to portray me now as inconsistent, where in fact you merely expose yourself as biased, dishonest and unprepared to listen.

My personal favorite is the one about the feds blowing the levee after the storm, so they could wipe out the poor neighborhoods and revamp them to revitalize the city. Maybe you should go for that angle. And finally, you've implied I made the above statement without actually saying it. You sir are a manipulative jackass and I can see straight through your misdirection, blatant dishonesty and stumbling attempts at wit. I just hope the rest of the world can see through your lies the way I and many like me who've seen wars come and go and seen the propaganda during them be dispelled as blantant lies afterwards, can. When zealots take Nationalism too far, they end up with their heads stuck in the sand, like our angrily braying jackass Sgt.
GRUNTY DATSUN ============== "Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
[ Parent ]
Long post (none / 0) (#175)
by Sgt York on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 10:27:45 PM EST

I don't think I'll reply to all of it. But here's some.

1. I used "prescience" because it has a specific meaning that is different from foresight. Foresight is rational prediction, prescience is a supernatural ability. I was making fun of your blatant attempts at prophesy, essentially telling you that I think you have delusions of grandeur. Have problems with people using big words? Take your toys and go home. Let the adults talk. Oh, and to find another word for foresight I would have used a thesaurus, not a dictionary.

2. Yep, still looking like you're crazy. Add stupid to the mix, now.

3. WTF? OK, you are an idiot. This is proof positive. Reread what I said, and your response and think. If you don't see the problem, locate a grade school student and have him explain it to you.

4. Ah. Nice. I see your mind is made up. I will try not to confuse you with any more facts

5. It's not hard to make you look inconsistent. I'm really not even trying to do that, I'm trying to make you look like a rambling idiot. The inconsistency thing was quite unintentional.

6. Feeling a bit sensitive? Reading a bit between the lines? Perhaps a bit of transference? Oh.....sorry, I forgot. You don't like big words.

Oh, and in case you didn't catch on, the numbering system refers to the paragraphs in your post, starting with the first bolded quote.

There is a reason for everything. Sometimes, that reason just sucks.
[ Parent ]

Calling Sgt Troll - Calling Sgt Troll (none / 0) (#177)
by gruntydatsun on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 11:17:32 PM EST

I don't think I'll reply to all of it. But here's some.
I'd just follow your previous tack and reduce the amount of lies you tell as the post count goes up, that way I have less to smack you over the nose with when I reply.

Lets have a look at your panicked flailing reply:

1. I used "prescience" because it has a specific meaning that is different from foresight. Foresight is rational prediction, prescience is a supernatural ability. I was making fun of your blatant attempts at prophesy, essentially telling you that I think you have delusions of grandeur. Have problems with people using big words? Take your toys and go home.
1. LOL More semantics from the man with nothing to say. You don't need prescience when you have experience. I don't expect you to understand yet. I've seen the cycles go full circle quite a few times over the years. When your tree has a few more rings on it, you might have a clue. Until then you should stop your incessant yapping and let the big dogs, who really know what they're talking about, speak.

2. Yep, still looking like you're crazy. Add stupid to the mix, now.
HA! That's all you've got isn't it Sgt Pork. You are a frothy mouthed patriot rabid dog and your lies were completely exposed. You make no sense. I make perfect sense. No amount of pretending it didn't happen will change things. If you're too mentally feeble to understand what I've told you, just accept the cornholing you took as deserved, and move on.

3. WTF? OK, you are an idiot.
3. I read it, understood it, re-read it and now you demonstrate that you're too lazy to reread your own lies. I think YOU are the one who needs to do some re-reading. Also have a look at your grammar, spelling and excessive use of expletives. It might be acceptable behaviour in your trailerpark, but not here :)

4. Ah. Nice. I see your mind is made up. I will try not to confuse you with any more facts
4. I'm afraid you haven't brought a single fact to the table. Only your own brand of lies, misinformation and hysterical abuse. I've explained how GWB will use plausible deniability to escape responsibility, even though he is pretending to claim responsibility now. If you had a bit more life experience, you'd be able to see it coming too. Sit back, shut your mouth and listen, and you'll learn a lesson.

5. It's not hard to make you look inconsistent. I'm really not even trying to do that, I'm trying to make you look like a rambling idiot. The inconsistency thing was quite unintentional.
5. It's hard to argue with an emotional dropkick like yourself without getting some of the excrement you speak spattered on me. Note that your actual use of the word 'inconsistent' in your post flies directly in the face of your above lie, jut one of many. Stop lying and this discussion will be a lot easier.

I though you might be late 20's based on your selfish arrogant behaviour and inability to listen to anyone but yourself. Now that I see you trying to cast aspersions on my character as unstable or emotional I see you're more manipulative than most kids that age. Anyone who knows about sheepdipping can see you're working pretty much straight from the script. You don't impress me. Even the dullest of drones can see through Sgt Troll.
GRUNTY DATSUN ============== "Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
[ Parent ]
Those gosh-durned whippersnappers! (none / 1) (#184)
by Sgt York on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 11:51:52 AM EST

1. Well, I suppose when you are as wizened as yourself, prescience becomes second nature. I suppose common events such as these get rather routine when you take the long view.

2. Name calling? I would say I thought you were above that, but that really wouldn't be true.

3. Not acceptable behavior here? Hi! You must be new. Consider this your welcome to K5.

4. Again with the lack of experience...are you using your prescient abilities to deduce my age and life experience now? Have any stock tips for me?

5. Again with the insults and wordplay namecalling. What's next, "York, York, banana-fanna fo-Fork"? And you call me childish. That really isn't acceptable behavior here, people won't take you seriously if you swear or start name-calling, remember?

Go let the adults play. You might get hurt here.

There is a reason for everything. Sometimes, that reason just sucks.
[ Parent ]

No, he's right. (2.33 / 6) (#52)
by porkchop_d_clown on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 05:32:30 PM EST

There's an old saying: Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity.

Which, in fact, is the biggest reason I never buy into those Bush Lied For Halliburton theories. I don't think he's smart enough.

"On Monday it was like, `Wow, it missed us, it took a turn east,' and everything eased up," Tyson said. "... And then all of a sudden, literally and fi
[ Parent ]

I Just Love It When People Share Pearls Of Wisdom (none / 0) (#125)
by gruntydatsun on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 01:02:02 AM EST

I've got a few old sayings too:

"Tiger in lambs clothing"
It's frightfully naeive or deceptive to portray George as a dopey good old Southern boy that can do no wrong - that crap is an act. Do you really think a dopey baccychewin hillbilly can rise to the highest height of power in the world?


"If it looks like shit, smells like shit and splatters like shit, it's most likely shit"
Which is THE reason I believe the Bush Lied for Haliburton Theories. The proof is overwhelmingly clear and has been public domain for a long time. You'd have to want to disbelieve it pretty bad to convince yourself otherwise.
GRUNTY DATSUN ============== "Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
[ Parent ]
Proof? (none / 1) (#130)
by porkchop_d_clown on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 06:58:07 AM EST

Yeah, and there's proof that Clinton had Vince Foster killed, raped Juanita Broderick and was in league with Satan himself.

You can prove all sorts of things with selective editing and your own website.

"On Monday it was like, `Wow, it missed us, it took a turn east,' and everything eased up," Tyson said. "... And then all of a sudden, literally and fi
[ Parent ]

How Rare To Get 2nd Reply From Sheepdipper (none / 0) (#172)
by gruntydatsun on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 09:01:50 PM EST

Yeah, and there's proof that Clinton had Vince Foster killed, raped Juanita Broderick and was in league with Satan himself.
The error you and most kneejerk political biteback types make is that you think that since I criticise your idol/paymaster, that you can fix me by criticising who you assume to be mine. I'm not American and I don't like Clinton. He was a lecherous womanising swine with the snake-belly-low morals of George W Bush. Happy now? Both of those creeps are tarred with a very similar brush in my book.

You can prove all sorts of things with selective editing and your own website.
Look. I can do it too. * You can shave eggs in lumpy goat.
* You can swim your nails with a hammer.
* You can smurf fish with ape doily.
* You can silence dissidents by threatening to deport their elderly family members.
* A good way to silence critics is to try to make them appear hypocritical by citing an example of something they did even worse than you.
* Any lies told in pursuit of someone declared fair-game is quite ok.
* Media can be quoted as a rock soild source as long as it doesn't contradict the governments line, in which case it can be accused of being "selectively edited".

All six of these sentences have as much to do with the parent post as your reply.

If you're going to reply to this please, lets talk about the same issue. Your pointless random replies are just a waste of time.

That post was an clearcut exercise in propaganda. Allow me to be your guide. First our friends makes a negative assertion against his polar opposite leader who he assumes to be my leader. He makes first a likely, an unlikely and then an impossible assertion. The trick is that the smart with believe one point, the less smart two and the imbeciles will believe all three. Whatever way, the mud sticks with an optimum spread.

Secondly our friend alludes to me being a liar and operating a website to give substance to the lies. What a moron! Put up a link to this site you DREAM that I control. You can't because you're a liar trying to sheepdip me.
GRUNTY DATSUN ============== "Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
[ Parent ]
*My* pointless replies? (none / 0) (#182)
by porkchop_d_clown on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 09:36:35 AM EST

Seeing how you started this by making unsupported assertions and name calling, I suggest you put your money where your mouth is, instead of playing the wounded martyr.

Let's see - I claimed that Bush was to stupid to engineer a vast conspiracy, you counter by saying that the "proof is overwhelmingly clear" but you don't actually offer any.

I particularly like the claim that, because I don't believe the conspiracy theories I'm a "kneejerk political biteback type" and Bush is my "idol/paymaster".

Sweet. I never realized calling someone an idiot implied they were my idol.

"On Monday it was like, `Wow, it missed us, it took a turn east,' and everything eased up," Tyson said. "... And then all of a sudden, literally and fi
[ Parent ]

Couple of things (3.00 / 10) (#24)
by Sgt York on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 11:56:18 AM EST

First, I'm glad you got out alive. It sounds like things were pretty hairy for you there for a while, but you made it out in one piece. I've heard the same sentiment from a lot of people, "Yeah, I'm alive, but WTF do I do now?" So, you aren't alone.

FEMA is swamped, and they are trying to make up for their lack of response and preparedness by just dashing ahead without looking. Hence, the debit card fiasco. But there are other ways to get some help. The Red Cross is giving out needs-based assistance, up to $1500. You can also contact The Community Foundation, the Salvation Army, or local churches.

Also, I'm sure there are shelters in Birmingham, and if they are like the ones here they offer services besides housing. They will help you find work, housing, and a way back to NO if you need it. But, I don't know what the shelters are like there. The big ones here (Houston) are just starting to get really organized for helping people recover, the focus early on was getting them medical attention, fed, clothed, and reunited with family. The recovery phase has just now gotten enough momentum going to start to truly help some people. Smaller shelters may have a harder time, I don't know.

The Community Foundation:
205-328-8641

Salvation Army
205-328-5656
1-888-363-2769

(call the Birmingham # first, they'll be able to help you more quickly)

It sounds like you were struggling even before this, and when you have no margin in the first place, s blow like this can be catasrophic. I hope you get on your feet soon.

There is a reason for everything. Sometimes, that reason just sucks.

Thank you (3.00 / 3) (#28)
by tannhaus on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 12:47:23 PM EST

Thank you very much for your comments and suggestions.  As far as the Salvation Army, I went to their local office and left.  They said they really weren't offering anything.  "We have a little pantry but not very much.  We really don't have any services." etc etc.

But, thank you very much for the other.

[ Parent ]

Glad to help (2.50 / 2) (#31)
by Sgt York on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 12:54:04 PM EST

Let us know how it turns out.

There is a reason for everything. Sometimes, that reason just sucks.
[ Parent ]

Dunno if you've tried NOLA.com (none / 0) (#154)
by Shajenko on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 04:55:37 PM EST

On NOLA.com there is a forum where people are offering to share their homes with people who have been affected by the hurricane. Might help you get some temporary shelter.

Also, a number of places are giving priority job placement to hurricane victims, much to the chagrin of locals who still can't find work.

Finally, I'd be careful about trying to return to New Orleans. I've heard stories about the authorities confiscating buses and the like, they might do the same with your cab.

[ Parent ]
I give this troll a 7 out of 10 (1.78 / 14) (#32)
by LilDebbie on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 12:55:22 PM EST

Quality, but nothing special.

My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
- hugin -

Shelters (3.00 / 5) (#41)
by catseye on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 04:28:39 PM EST

Even though you're not staying at a shelter, you still need to register with a shelter. That will get the aid process started.

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How can we fight Islamic Fundamentalism abroad if we do not fight Christian Fundamentalism at home?
register at a shelter (3.00 / 4) (#44)
by tannhaus on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 04:36:48 PM EST

Well, I've registered with FEMA, unemployment, etc.

Today I finally got in to see a caseworker with Red Cross.  They're saying they're going to give me $350 but I'll believe that when I see it.  Everyone else has denied me.  I don't see why they'd just write me a check.

[ Parent ]

Denied you what? (1.42 / 7) (#90)
by CAIMLAS on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 02:30:35 AM EST

What have they denied you? Free money?

You know, you could leave the area and find work. Gainful work is plentiful in much of America.

Though, I think that if you can't even pay rent two months past due, you're either trying to live well above your means, not trying hard enough, or some combination thereof.

Maybe you should try and re-evaluate your mindset. You're not due anything: you didn't have to keep returning to New Orleans. Free will, my friend.
--

Socialism and communism better explained by a psychologist than a political theorist.
[ Parent ]

reality (3.00 / 6) (#93)
by tannhaus on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 03:49:12 AM EST

When you decide to get in touch with reality and are able to shake off the republican fantasy, let me know.

[ Parent ]
-1 paypal account (2.11 / 17) (#56)
by Fen on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 06:42:06 PM EST

Strictly on that, actually. I was going to +1FP it too.
--Self.
Agreed (1.33 / 3) (#57)
by scorbett on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 06:57:52 PM EST

I too had been planning on voting +1FP before the author added the paypal thing.

[ Parent ]
HOW DARE YOU (1.05 / 20) (#58)
by HAVE CAKE AND EAT IT TO on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 07:22:16 PM EST

I AM ROYALY OFFENDED BY YOUR BEGGING

PEOPLE ARE STILL DYING AND YOUR BUSY TYPING AWAY BEGGING FOR HELP

HAVE SOME COMPASSION YOU LIVE DOWN THEIR SO GET OUT AND HELP YOUR NEIGHBORS

In case you haven't noticed (3.00 / 3) (#70)
by tannhaus on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 09:25:50 PM EST

Not too many people are living down there these days....and my neighbors are in other states needing the same things I am.

[ Parent ]
wow (1.06 / 15) (#60)
by akivameda on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 08:26:37 PM EST

Omg Im so sorry I spelled relief wrong, am I sub-human in your eyes now? Moron.

Fuck New Orleans, and fuck you. (1.00 / 24) (#61)
by Terrell Owens on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 08:28:49 PM EST

Katrina is a state issue. Stop jacking my federal dollars.

Also, why are we even giving the New Orleans citizens money anyway? They're just going to blow it on busses full of cigarettes, crack, and big screen TVs.

PARENT POST MAY BE INFLAMATORIE (1.18 / 11) (#68)
by HAVE CAKE AND EAT IT TO on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 09:19:28 PM EST

BUT IT HAS A DISTURBING AMOUNT A TRUTH/FACT BEHIND IT

[ Parent ]
Oh yeah (1.00 / 3) (#99)
by tkatchevzombie on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 05:52:29 AM EST

Especially the bit about big-screen TV's rang true

[ Parent ]
is that a common opinion in USA? (3.00 / 3) (#107)
by svampa on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 04:48:41 PM EST

I wonder if this attitude is common in USA.

Shouldn't the several states united help when one of them is in troubles? isn't that solidarity what makes a group stronger than isolated members?

I've seen a lot of times this attitude in posts from USA people. Not only about states but about people. Something like "If you need help it's because you haven't done your duties, you looser. Look at me, I don't need help."



[ Parent ]
unfortunately (3.00 / 3) (#112)
by tannhaus on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 05:20:49 PM EST

Unfortunately, I think it is an all too common opinion.  People are willing to send their money to a faceless person that needs help in some foreign country.  However, as soon as they see someone in need, an actual individual, they're going to find every way in their power to say that person is worthless and deserves whatever has happened to them.

I've worked for eighteen years.  Never once have I asked for a handout or aid from anyone.  Now, because of a freak of nature, I'm homeless.  Yet, I'm more likely to be told to get a job and how worthless I am rather than be helped.

[ Parent ]

Obscenities (1.00 / 9) (#62)
by akivameda on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 08:33:50 PM EST

The intelligence of my fellow country men abound! State. Federal, monkey, rat, who cares-- down with biophillacs, FUCK everyone, haha; lol

Money (1.00 / 4) (#63)
by akivameda on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 08:40:23 PM EST

Terrell, I didn't realize this whole thing was about money, how could I be so silly. I'm sorry it's sometimes hard for my above average intelligence to grasp the primitive concept of money as opposed to sincere virtues like honosty, trust, hope, faith, self-lessness, creativity, justice and love. Pity me, all well.

One more virtue (2.80 / 5) (#65)
by dark on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 08:55:04 PM EST

You forgot generosity.

[ Parent ]
-1, bah bloody humbug. (1.50 / 12) (#69)
by fyngyrz on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 09:25:17 PM EST

First, I'm glad to hear you're OK. You not only have your health, you also have your means of earning a living intact. Outstanding.

Second, some people aren't OK. To put it mildly. These people need support considerably worse than you do. I've donated money in this direction and I've donated blood as well, and I doubt I'm done with either.

Third, some animals (pets and otherwise) aren't OK. In fact, most of them are suffering terribly. Because our society has a decidedly twisted outlook on what priority of these creatures, our charges and dependents, receive in an emergency, they're likely to just come to a bad end and there you have it. Again, I've donated money to this cause (equally, in case you're curious) and I am definitely not done doing so.

Fourth, after the people and animals with life and death problems are all sorted out, feel free to reiterate your problems. If you're very convincing, I might hand some cash over at that point.

Good luck. Seriously.

Blog, Photos.

fuck you, man (2.90 / 11) (#75)
by Blarney on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 10:09:36 PM EST

Give or don't give. But don't ask a man to dance for your penny. Is there no respect for human dignity?



[ Parent ]

Um-hmmm. (1.00 / 6) (#84)
by fyngyrz on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 12:46:07 AM EST

I'm sorry, I missed it when you were appointed Knight Arbiter of Charity and Lord High Moral Authority on what lines I get to draw with my own funds when someone comes hat in hand.

...or did I just miss your appointment as court jester?

;o)

Blog, Photos.
[ Parent ]

Orwell (2.50 / 6) (#88)
by Blarney on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 01:32:05 AM EST

SAY what you like, things do change. A few years ago I was walking across Hungerford Bridge with a lady aged about sixty or perhaps less. The tide was out, and as we looked down at the beds of filthy, almost liquid mud, she remarked:
`When I was a little girl we used to throw pennies to the mudlarks down there.'
I was intrigued and asked what mudlarks were. She explained that in those days professional beggars, known as mudlarks, used to sit under the bridge waiting for people to throw them pennies. The pennies would bury themselves deep in the mud, and the mudlarks would plunge in head first and recover them. It was considered a most amusing spectacle.
Is there anyone who would degrade himself in that way nowadays? And how many people are there who would get a kick out of watching it?

No, Mr. Eric Blair, they don't change, not really. Some things never change.

Yeah, I'm the jester, you're a pompous fucking prick. Oh yeah, you're so rich, you can totally help him out, fuck you fool, you're the kinda guy who'd be nowhere if your paycheck didn't come for a couple months in a row, the kinda guy needs to have his friends chip in for gas money when you all go somewhere, you are poor you stupid fuck, like me, but at least I fucking know it! Go suck George Bush's dick.

You wanna impress me? Give the poodles $50,000 then torment him. I'll be impressed then, I'll think you're sick fuck who ought to be killed but hey, at least I'll be thinking about you, you'l kinda be a minicelebrity. That ain't true tho. I think you're a little child watching the grubby people dig for penies in the mud, go play with your Pokemon. Have Mom bake you some cookies.

[ Parent ]

Actually... (none / 1) (#104)
by fyngyrz on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 01:48:23 PM EST

You wanna impress me?

No, not in the least. You're irrelevant to me. Which, I readily admit, is a warm, fuzzy thought.

Blog, Photos.
[ Parent ]

self-righteous prick (2.80 / 10) (#76)
by tannhaus on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 10:28:03 PM EST

I'm supposed to sit here and listen to you talk about how you think I don't have it that bad, while you're sitting in your house full of furniture and things you've collected over the years?  Then, I'm supposed to sit here and listen to how you think some lady's poodle is more important than me?  THEN I'm supposed to BEG for money from you that I didn't ask for in the first place?

Fuck you Opie.  Keep your allowance.  You'll need it to pay the doctor to pull that corncob out of your ass one of these days.

[ Parent ]

Sigh. (1.77 / 9) (#83)
by fyngyrz on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 12:39:19 AM EST

I'm supposed to sit here and listen to you talk about how you think I don't have it that bad, while you're sitting in your house full of furniture and things you've collected over the years?

We're not comparing you to me. We're comparing you to other New Orleans and regional residents. You're ok. You have your health and your job. Others aren't. So they come before you.

Then, I'm supposed to sit here and listen to how you think some lady's poodle is more important than me?

Some poodle's life is more important to me than the stuff you collected. Certainly. Not more important than your life. You're ok, though. You're online, blogging away, you've got a job, you've got your health. As for what you're supposed to listen to, you put your case up in a public forum. You can expect all manner of responses. If you thought that your posting was likely to get only like-minded responses, then I'd say that your expectations were unrealistic.

THEN I'm supposed to BEG for money from you that I didn't ask for in the first place?

Hmm. I'm sorry. Were you offering your paypal address so you could send money to others, rather than so others could send money to you? My mistake. Mea culpa.


Blog, Photos.
[ Parent ]

tell me (2.60 / 5) (#85)
by tannhaus on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 12:54:47 AM EST

Exactly what job do I have?  Driving a cab around a city that is 50% under water?  Yes, FEMA wants us back.  Do you honestly think we'll make more than $20 a day...especially with gas at $3 a gallon?  I'm going back and risking my health precisely because I DON'T have a choice.

[ Parent ]
No, you tell me. You have the info. (1.62 / 8) (#86)
by fyngyrz on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 01:14:02 AM EST

Is your cab license limited to N.O.? If your stuff is gone, and your apartment toast, why go back to N.O.?

If you have to drive in N.O., and you can make $20 a day past gas, I figure you can eat for what, half of that? Maybe less if you can find some charitable outlet? You're sleeping in your cab, so that kind of cuts down the living expenses. Are there other costs? Can you accrue cash under these circumstances? It seems like you could, but again, you tell me.

For now, life in N.O. is going to be tough. You, however, have an opportunity to work and get by. The city will almost certainly recover. You need to decide if you want to be involved in the interim, and if you want to be there if it does finally recover, and if you want to stay given that you now know what the disaster planners have been saying all along was true — and that it could be worse next time. Starting over is tough; no question. But it could be a lot worse. Grit your teeth. These are hard decisions, but they are not impossible decisions. People start over. They do it with a lot less than you have (I've done it myself — from nearly zip (one cat in a bag, no money, no possessions, no job, no family, no place to live, just self-taught programming skills and a willingness to work) at age 30 to where I am now at 50, which is quite distant from zip, true enough.)

You can do this. Look how much better off you are than many around you. To dredge up a hoary old phrase, "count your blessings" and go on from here.

Blog, Photos.
[ Parent ]

cab license (3.00 / 4) (#87)
by tannhaus on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 01:22:00 AM EST

Yes, my cab license is limited to New Orleans.  The cab is not mine either.  I rent it from a company there.  So, outside of the parish, I don't have a field of work.

[ Parent ]
Work & Living Arrangements (2.85 / 7) (#108)
by catseye on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 04:57:58 PM EST

As much as you don't want to hear this... you don't have to drive a cab. Swallow your pride and take the first job you're physically qualified to take. I've been there and it sucks a lot, but if it's a question of having an income or not having an income, you can't afford to be choosey. When I relocated, I could not find a job in my chosen field and after my savings ran out, I took the first job I could find, which was a crap minimum wage job for Kinko's where I had to stand on my feet all day and be condescended to by managers who made spider monkeys look intelligent.

You can also look at this as a chance to start over. I have a hard time believing that any of the evacuees are going to be held to their leases, especially if the apartment buildings are no longer habitable. You can start over somewhere else, maybe closer to your family in Alabama where you have a support structure.

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How can we fight Islamic Fundamentalism abroad if we do not fight Christian Fundamentalism at home?
[ Parent ]

well (3.00 / 2) (#110)
by tannhaus on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 05:12:47 PM EST

I HAVE their cab in my possession, so I have to go back.  It's my only means of transportation as well.  So, most likely tomorrow, I will go back.  They're claiming they need transportation workers and, without aid, I have to go back...even if that means sleeping in the car.  

[ Parent ]
Shut the fuck up and file an insurance claim (1.40 / 5) (#100)
by kosuri on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 11:14:03 AM EST

Life is more important than things. And some lady's poodle is more important than your waterlogged couch.

Quit fucking around on k5 and call whoever carries your homeowners/renters insurance policy. That's what you have been paying premiums for all these years.

Call them. They can help.
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I'm glad that when this story goes down this stupid comment will go with it. -- thankyougustad, 11/23/2005
[ Parent ]

Wtf? Apartment dweller's insurance? (3.00 / 2) (#141)
by Parity on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 11:30:39 AM EST

You think that apartment dwellers who are behind on their rent are going to be carrying insurance that covers this?

For that matter, you think homeowner's insurance -would- cover this? I believe that as an 'act of god', the damage wrought by this hurricane is not covered by a standard homeowner's insurance policy. If you wanted to be covered in this case, you should've gotten the supplemental hurricane insurance policy... (I don't actually know New Orleans rules per se, but this kind of thing is pretty standard in most of the country - the local most-likely disasters - earthquake, tornado, hurricane, whatever - require a separate supplemental insurance policy.)

Doesn't matter anyway. I've yet to meet the apartment dweller who carries insurance.

[ Parent ]

Renters are such morons (1.50 / 2) (#143)
by kosuri on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 01:27:40 PM EST

You think that apartment dwellers who are behind on their rent are going to be carrying insurance that covers this?
What difference does it make if the author was behind on his rent? If he's a cab driver, he's probably current on his insurance payments.
For that matter, you think homeowner's insurance -would- cover this?
You're goddamn right I do. There are two parties who are responsible for your being adequately insured:
  1. Your mortgage lender(s)
  2. Your insurance agent
Now maybe you have a retarded insurance agent (most of them are), but I can guarantee that the bank who lent you tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars secured by your house is going to make sure their interest in your house is properly insured.

It's true that in some states it's common practice for "named hurricanes" to be excluded from basic homeowner's policies (basic homeowner's normally DOES cover weather-related loss... if lightning strikes your home and it gets torched, that is definitely covered by your hazard insurance), but your lender will make you buy a hurricane rider/policy in those cases. Flood related loss is covered by your flood insurance policy, which is required if your property is in danger of being flooded.

Doesn't matter anyway. I've yet to meet the apartment dweller who carries insurance.
Do your acquaintances own cars? If so, they are among a group of people I like to call "financial morons". They will always be renters, and they will always be poor.

The majority of my tenants carry renter's insurance. They get it after I explain to them the following:

  1. If the property burns to the ground, my landlord's insurance policy only covers the building. It does not cover any of their prized possessions, and neither do I. If they want coverage, they need to obtain it.
  2. If the power goes out for a long time and they lose a freezerfull of food, again, that type of loss would only be covered by their renter's insurance.
  3. Renters insurance is oftentimes free or extremely low-cost if you own a car. Don't believe me? Call your auto insurance company and ask them about multiline discounts if you were to obtain renter's insurance. When I was renting way back when, it was actually cheaper overall for me to have auto+renters than it would have been for me to just have auto. My renter's insurance was cheaper than free. The insurer was State Farm, if you're curious.
I'll quit typing now so you can go get yourself some renter's insurance. HTH. HAND.
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I'm glad that when this story goes down this stupid comment will go with it. -- thankyougustad, 11/23/2005
[ Parent ]
A coworker (none / 0) (#156)
by Harvey Anderson on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 06:40:52 PM EST

is fond of saying, "My dad sold State Farm Insurance for 28 years," followed by a severe warning to never, ever do business with them.

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insurance (none / 0) (#181)
by Eivind on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 04:32:04 AM EST

Insurance makes sense in some situations, namely the ones which are unlikely, but that you just can't afford to pay for yourself.

Insurance-companies want to turn a profit. That means you always pay somewhat more than the real risk is, meaning if you can afford to, it makes more economical sense to carry the risk yourself.

Some people *prefer* 100% chanse of loosing $50 instead of 1% chanse of loosing $3000, and are fine with paying for the decreased *uncertanity*, and that's also fine I guess.

I agree that insurance makes 100% sense for stuff that you just simply *cannot* afford to pay for yourself. Say your new house burns down, or you crash with an expensive limo, or similar.

This also means that the richer you are, the more you can afford to not insure. If you've got $300 in the bank own a cab $5000 that is your lievelihood, it sure as hell should be insured against theft/vandalism/self-caused-accidents.

On the other hand if your car is a $10.000 Skoda Fabia, but you've got $60.000 stashed away in various savings, you don't really need insurance for the car. (you still need insurance for the risk that you cause damage to others *with* the car.)

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Say hello to... (none / 1) (#145)
by Pirengle on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 02:23:41 PM EST

Florida renter's insurance. Though this Floridian said what needed to be said.


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Nice to know that pets>people you PETAn jackas$ (none / 0) (#186)
by destroy all monsters on Sat Sep 17, 2005 at 09:30:08 AM EST



"My opinion: You're gay, a troll, a gay troll, or in serious need of antidepressants." - horny smurf to Lemon Juice
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if val(animal) <= val(tv set) then you=suck (none / 0) (#193)
by fyngyrz on Tue Sep 20, 2005 at 01:49:27 PM EST

We're not talking about human life vs. animal life here, Einstein.

Suggestion:

Try and read for content instead of skimming. You won't have to taste your toenails so often. And that tongue fungus might settle down, too.


Blog, Photos.
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You stated (none / 0) (#205)
by destroy all monsters on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 06:11:38 AM EST

that you gave equally to those charities purportedly helping people and to those purportedly assisting animals. This added to your overall shitty attitude towards the original poster (which seems to be based on the fact that he just wasn't white collar or otherwise special enough for your taste) is why you got the blasting you did.

Ergo, you did exactly what I accused you of by putting animal life on more of a pedestal than the poster's situation. While it's a shame that many pets will die, it is a far greater shame that many people have and will - and that their livelihoods are destroyed.

"My opinion: You're gay, a troll, a gay troll, or in serious need of antidepressants." - horny smurf to Lemon Juice
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-1, PayPal beggary. (1.50 / 10) (#71)
by The Amazing Idiot on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 09:43:29 PM EST

Give us only an email acct. No paypal or such. That just amounts to scams, begs and other trash.

If we want to give, we will use email, not "paypal give".

-1 on that alone.

email account (2.66 / 3) (#72)
by tannhaus on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 09:45:30 PM EST

That paypal IS my email account.  Send an email to that address if you wish.

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plus (2.50 / 4) (#73)
by tannhaus on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 09:46:41 PM EST

This was a story about what actually happened.  I didn't add the paypal thing until it was in edit and someone suggested it.  It's STILL a story about what happened and not an attempt at cyber panhandling.

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You've got to remember... (2.83 / 6) (#80)
by Russell Dovey on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 11:41:59 PM EST

The Internet is vast, and contains many people.

This is the way of things.

"Blessed are the cracked, for they let in the light." - Spike Milligan
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Sigged <nt> (none / 1) (#91)
by bml on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 03:43:27 AM EST



The Internet is vast, and contains many people. This is the way of things. -- Russell Dovey
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GEORGE BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT BLOGGERS (2.50 / 24) (#74)
by Tex Bigballs on Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 10:05:21 PM EST



-1 WTH, you're an idiot (1.15 / 19) (#89)
by CAIMLAS on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 02:23:46 AM EST

So let me get this straight:
  • you had only one day's storage of food and water available to you? Seriously, a day's food costs what, $5?
  • You're a cabbie and you don't keep your tank topped off?
  • You drove out of New Orleans with an empty car to get gas, and then drove back because you weren't smart enough to fill your car up before you left, effectively making yourself go through hell for no apparent reason?
Shut up. You're too stupid to complain about this situation: it's one of your own creation.
--

Socialism and communism better explained by a psychologist than a political theorist.

oh please (3.00 / 3) (#92)
by tannhaus on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 03:47:12 AM EST

Yes, I had only one day's food and water available to me.  Hey, guess what?  We had at least a couple of hurricane evacuations every year.  Nothing happened.  It's easy for you to sit there and whine about how stupid I am.  You weren't there.  You're still not.

Keep my tank topped off?  Do you know ANY cab driver that "keeps his tank topped off"?  I certainly don't.  I know a lot that spend as little as they can to put gas into the car because it's draining them dry.

As far as your last point, it didn't even make any sense.  


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still stupid. (none / 1) (#180)
by Eivind on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 04:20:34 AM EST

Even if you consider the odds that you'll actually *need* water and food only 1:10, it's still stupid not to have it, given that the cost is so low. Hell, even at 1:1000 chanse that it migth save your life, $10 invested is a good investment indeed.

Your second point is stupid too. It's not actually much more expensive to constantly drive around with a near-full tank than with a near-empty one. The only cost is that the car will consume sligthly more fuel due to the increased weigth, that's sligthly as in maybe you'll loose a single dollar.



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rations... cabbies... leaving property behind... (3.00 / 2) (#147)
by mikelist on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 02:42:04 PM EST

...Five bucks?, I guess that means that you could live on seventy dollars worth of groceries a week (double the fiver and multiplied by seven)under normal circumstances

...don't usually own their cabs, rather they drive for an agency, so topped off or not they wouldn't necessarily have access to that gas...

...driving out of NO sans belongings was probably a byproduct of looking fruitlessly for gas. The last place (maybe second last) I'd want my stuff would be in an out-of-gas car thatI had to abandon.

I get the impression that a lot of basement dwelling youngsters don't have an accurate idea of the world upstairs and out the door. I will further suggest that most of our 20/20 hindsighters would have been at least as 'stupid' as they accuse you of being.

I'm also gonna pass on the paypal donation, I have already donated a large sum relative to our family income, to related causes,

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Sure (none / 1) (#179)
by Eivind on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 04:16:32 AM EST

Five bucks?, I guess that means that you could live on seventy dollars worth of groceries a week (double the fiver and multiplied by seven)under normal circumstances

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. $10 a day is actually significantly more groceries than a person need. Besides, we where talking about survival in an emergency here, not living the happy life. You can probably do without the caviar for a few days.

Actually, if you're a bit careful $10 a day will be sufficient for a family of say 3, not just for a single person.

In an emergency, 2 boxes of canned food and 2 litres of pure water a day will do you just fine. Total cost, maybe $3. And like several people have pointed out, you don't have to throw that away if the hurricane doesn't hit.

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or... (none / 0) (#201)
by CAIMLAS on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 08:17:46 PM EST

Or I could have two weeks worth of food and water stockpiled in case of just such an emergency, prepared to take care of me and my own.

And no, I'm not "middle class". I make less than 15k a year before taxes, currently, as a full-time student with a wife and son and mounds of debt. So if I can do it, he could have done it.
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Socialism and communism better explained by a psychologist than a political theorist.
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My opinion (3.00 / 7) (#96)
by binford2k on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 04:02:16 AM EST

Post your resume, not your paypal account.

I don't have the funds to hire another person right now, but somebody else might.


good suggestion (2.33 / 3) (#97)
by tannhaus on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 04:05:42 AM EST

I can't afford to relocate again though.  I've got $300 left from evacuating and that's it.  That's all I have to my name.  I'm going back to New Orleans...possibly Wednesday and do what I can to stay afloat.  I really see no other option at this point.

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I +1FP'd it (1.53 / 13) (#98)
by nebbish on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 04:44:55 AM EST

Then I saw the paypal stuff. Fuck off.

Otherwise, I think the lack of help given to victims of Katrina will be the next big scandal the Bush administration faces. They will fuck this up.

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Kicking someone in the head is like punching them in the foot - Bruce Lee

oh, poor me. poor poor me. (1.00 / 10) (#102)
by phybre187 on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 12:46:52 PM EST

If you want money, you should apply for disability pay. Obviously you're fucking retarded. Aside from that you deserve every bit of your troubles. You sure as fuck aren't getting my tax dollars.

Someone before said you should post your resume instead of your paypal account. I agree. TANSTAAFL.

+1FP, It's a decent story. (2.87 / 8) (#103)
by neuroplasma on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 01:28:54 PM EST

If the PayPal thing bothers you, guess what? Don't give any money!

What a novel concept.

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"...you know how you pple are... very sneaky with untrusting slanty eyes" - LxXCaligulaXxl@aol.com

Thank you (3.00 / 4) (#105)
by tannhaus on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 02:55:08 PM EST

I'm surprised at how vicious and uncaring people became once i put the paypal info in.  All you have to do though is look in the comments and find where someone suggested I add paypal info.  It wasn't in the original story and the story shouldn't be judged on the fact that I took someone's suggestion from the comments.

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People have been scammed too often (none / 0) (#153)
by Shajenko on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 04:42:43 PM EST

The thing is plenty of people want to help the less fortunate, but don't want to be suckered by a scammer. Many will simply assume you are a scammer if you ask for money. In my city (Dallas) we've even banned panhandling. It apparently hasn't stopped it, so they're talking about making it illegal to GIVE money to panhandlers now.

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+1 Section (2.50 / 2) (#106)
by Morosoph on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 04:36:48 PM EST

The money side still makes me feel uneasy.

Worse, it makes me doubt the authenticity of the story. I agree that it's almost certainly authentic, but the incentive effect always induces doubt.

tannhaus: If it's voted down, please repost it without. Include the donation request on a linked page, or something.

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well (3.00 / 2) (#109)
by tannhaus on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 05:09:48 PM EST

If you look below in the comments, you will find that it was posted without any donation info whatsoever and someone suggested that I include paypal info in it.

So, why would you doubt a story that was posted without any paypal info whatsoever and someone suggested it be added?

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The doubt isn't conscious (3.00 / 2) (#116)
by Morosoph on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 06:21:36 PM EST

It's more how I'm wired. I agree that given the context, it looks okay, but part of me says "is he just saying that?"

I know in practice that you're not, for you wouldn't respond in quite the way that you have been to posts but, as I said, it isn't conscious.

This flood is such a tragedy that I am moved to give, but really I wish to give efficiently, ie. to a competent aid agency. I've been dragging my feet as I'm unemployed myself, but I gave to the tsusami appeal; I will give a reasonable sum in the next half hour, before I go to bed.

I live in Britain, if you're wondering why it took so long to filter into my brain.

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Whoever suggested you add the paypal info (none / 1) (#144)
by your_desired_username on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 01:43:44 PM EST

did you a disfavor, whether they intended that or not. And you did yourself a disfavor by following their advice.

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Hey fuck you (1.00 / 9) (#114)
by AlwaysAnonymized on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 05:43:31 PM EST

How about you survive a shotgun blast to the head? If you really are in that much pain and suffering that a starving black man is SO much better off, I have a plan: Loot a shotgun, let that loot your face.

Choke (2.50 / 2) (#121)
by Armada on Tue Sep 13, 2005 at 08:16:29 PM EST

I suggest that more K5'rs read the novel "Choke" by Chuck Palahniuk (author of "Fight Club" and "Survivor").

Don't ask me what it is about or why it has relevance to the story, because it isn't something I care to explain. I think you'll fully understand humanity once you've read it, though.

The fallacy of this story (1.60 / 5) (#124)
by Silver6 on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 12:22:08 AM EST

If you have not figured it out yet, a lot of people on k5 are completely and utterly moronic, and without anything remotely resembling reason or sympathy. This is, I think, the first reasoned article from the position of a Katrina survivor I have read, and I am very sympathetic towards you. I cannot imagine how difficult it is for you. Ignore all the people telling you to take the paypal thing down, I would give you money if I had more than $7 to my name. That being said, this will probably end up sounding pretty unsympathetic.

In my short 17 years of living, however, one thing I have learned is that you can not rely on any remote source for aid, especially not the government. Regardless of promises from FEMA or any private organization at all, you need to live your life as if the government owes you nothing, and not expect aid. By your own admission it was your mistake not leaving. The one thing I can not stand at all is your pathetic, whining attitude towards this. Many people have it worse than you, and you are still alive. You are staying with family, which means that you have to pay very little, if anything, for food and shelter, and you are safe during the night. If you really worked "10-12 hour days 6-7 days a week" before the hurricane, then why can not you find another job, or two even, and start working to pay back your apartment debt. Work $5.15 an hour if you have to, the world has not come to an end. Let me summarize. You have food, shelter, health, a car, and a work ethic, this is America, what the fuck more do you want. Leave your old apartment, go to another city, work as a taxi driver there or find a more lucrative career, stop whining about how the government has not gotten around to giving you a few thousand dollars. I can not handle your piss-poor attitude. Good luck.

17 is different (3.00 / 2) (#127)
by Blarney on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 02:14:22 AM EST

When you're 17, your family is supportive. At least if they're halfway normal, they'll voluntarily support you. Or at least, the law says they have to feed you until you're 18, they might just be avoiding trouble.

Things can be different when you're older.

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Be that as it may... (none / 0) (#133)
by ckaminski on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 10:11:14 AM EST

but a family that won't support you for a couple months when the city you live in is levelled, isn't a family I want to be a part of...


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family (none / 1) (#136)
by tannhaus on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 10:16:02 AM EST

But, it's not like you can pick and choose which family you have.

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my point (none / 0) (#161)
by Silver6 on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 09:25:36 PM EST

I understand that, but as I said, you are fortunate enough to have family that will support you, at least for a limited amount of time. My point was that your position is, all things considered, not that poor, and that you should make the most of the things you do have rather than complaining about having no options and wishing you were dead. From what you said, it sounded like you have little more than unpaid debts in New Orleans, why do you feel bound to it? What, realistically, did you lose in the flood? Why not consider this a chance to start over somewhere else?

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Something I do not get... (1.00 / 4) (#129)
by mirko on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 04:26:25 AM EST

Where do you post from ? If you're a poor cab driver, how did you get an Internet access ? You say you don't have electricity but you had enough time to type the above and then to post it and to answer the negative comments. Is this a fiction ? I'm sorry if this is not but you have to include these elements in your story.
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Finally I managed to make the decision that I would work on it. - MDC
we had to huddle together - trane
your answers (none / 1) (#132)
by tannhaus on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 10:05:07 AM EST

Did you actually read the story?  If you had, you would have noticed that half of it was about getting out of New Orleans.  

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I did (none / 0) (#165)
by mirko on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 09:52:41 AM EST

you did not convince me. there are plot holes in your story and I guess it's the reason you won't get as much help as you could. I'm not sugesting you lied, I'm just suggesting that you need more contextual info and less sensationalism if you want practical help.
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Finally I managed to make the decision that I would work on it. - MDC
we had to huddle together - trane
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Stupidity. Sheer stupidity (2.00 / 7) (#131)
by bgarcia on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 08:32:37 AM EST

I am a victim of Hurricane Katrina first. I am a victim of the United States government second.
A victim of the United States government??? Sure, I thought you were stupid for staying in the path of a hurricane. Sure, I thought you were stupid for not loading your car with your possessions before leaving to find gas. Sure, I thought you were stupid for only having a day's worth of food in the house. But still, I almost felt sorry for you, and then you had to prove your stupidity with that statement. So, at what point did you blame your STATE GOVERNMENT for your situation? At what point did you blame your CITY GOVERNMENT for your situation? Wow, you just immediately jump all the way to the federal government. I guess you just don't expect much from the people who live there with you. It's just too hard to admit that the people who should care the most and could have done the most are the people closest to home. And of course, the person who could and SHOULD have done the most to help you was YOURSELF. You are a victim of yourself.

It's a damn hurricane. It's a national disaster. Do you think a government beaurocracy of any kind is going to act at a moment's notice, give everyone a big fat check and brand new houses and welcome them to their new lives??? Hell no, government sucks at these things. Go find a job. Sell your computer, stereo, and TV to get some money to live off of. And stop blaming other people for your problems.

pot meet kettle (2.85 / 7) (#135)
by tannhaus on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 10:14:41 AM EST

I think you're stupid for a lot of reasons also.  Number one, for automatically assuming everyone in the PROJECTED path of a hurricane has the money to flee.  Number two, for wanting to load your car that is almost out of gas full of your possessions so you can run fully out of gas before finding a gas station, practically giving your looters delivery service when you have to leave the car on the side of the road.  Three, for lamenting the fact I blame the federal government for not giving me aid, yet the federal government has the programs set up to give aid and is constantly announcing how much good it is doing by doling out aid.

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Oh, the stupidity is rampant here (none / 0) (#203)
by bgarcia on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 02:28:43 PM EST

Number one, for automatically assuming everyone in the PROJECTED path of a hurricane has the money to flee.
First, I didn't say that everyone was stupid, just you. We are not talking in generalities here, we're talking about YOU. You said that you HAD A CAR. When you finished your last shift, you should have driven it out of town.

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Bush did what he was supposed to do (3.00 / 3) (#160)
by SFJoe on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 09:20:57 PM EST

Why is everyone angry at George Bush for ignoring the Katrina victims? George Bush, like Ronald Reagan before him promised that he would do absolutely nothing for poor people. He promised that he would let nothing stand in the way of tax cuts for the wealthy. Americans re-elected him on the strength of those promises. Why is everyone so angry at himn for doing what he promised he would do?

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What the fuck gives??? (1.00 / 3) (#140)
by mirleid on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 11:29:23 AM EST

Is it just me on drugs, or have the comments been, shall we say, pruned???? Sure as flock my comment isn't showing (maybe because I forgot to post it as topical rather than editorial, but then again that's no excuse) and there used to be a big ass rant from the author in there that I can't see anymore...

Chickens don't give milk
Slow Down Cowboy (none / 0) (#151)
by vectro on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 04:10:51 PM EST

All editorial comments are hidden once the story goes out of voting and onto the section/front pages.

“The problem with that definition is just that it's bullshit.” -- localroger
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My view setting is "All comments"[nt] (none / 0) (#195)
by mirleid on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 01:08:22 PM EST



Chickens don't give milk
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Life sucks when you are an idiot (2.25 / 12) (#142)
by omegageek on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 01:20:38 PM EST

What a whiny idiot you are. Your predicament is 100% YOUR OWN FAULT. You did everything wrong that you possibly could do wrong. By rights you should be dead, instead of alive and whining about how its everyone's fault but your own. Let's count up the bad decisions YOU made that caused you to be in this predicament


Bad decision #1. You didn't take the storm seriously. Your storm plan A seemed to be "Hope it doesn't hit," and your plan B was...? There was no plan B was there? I too live in a metro area that has seen a lot of close calls but no direct hits (Tampa Bay), but I take the hurricanes seriously. I don't just assume that it will be another close call like all the others. I always assume it will be the "Big One" (because someday it really will be) and act accordingly.


Bad decision #2. You had no emergency supplies. During hurricane season I always keep a minimum of 1 week worth of nonperishable food and water for everyone in the house. I also top off my gas tank BEFORE the storm hits and keep about 2 weeks worth of extra gas on hand since past storms have shown that gas is going to be the hardest thing to come by. I also keep some cash on hand since ATMs and credit card processing don't work without power and phone lines.


Bad decision #3. You didn't evacuate when you were told to. I live on high ground in a sturdy concrete building. I am not even in an evacuation zone. But even so, you wouldn't catch me staying in the path of a category 5 hurricane. I wouldn't attempt to ride out more than a category 3 even in my high, dry and sturdy place. I'd get the hell out. Last year when it looked like Ivan was coming at us I had the van loaded with valuables and supplies and made motel reservations in Georgia and I was ready to get the fuck out of its way. But you chose to stay, in the path of a category 5 storm, in a city that is below sea level, with no emergency supplies and no gas. What the hell were you thinking? You should have evacuated. You could afford to go to Birmingham after the storm, so you sure as hell could have afforded to go before it hit.


Bad decision #4. When you finally did decide to leave town, you didn't take your stuff with you, and so had to go back. I'm at a loss for words to describe this level of idiocy.


Bad decision #5. Relying on the lumbering and inept bureaucracy that is the federal government to be there to take care of you, personally, right away after a catastrophe of epic proportions that affected millions. In my opinion, idiots like you should be at the back of the line.


Bad decision #6. After becoming a victim of your own stupidity, instead of just being honest with yourself and others about it, you instead make up a bunch of lame excuses and start blaming everyone else in sight for your problems. Grow a pair already.


How pathetic! I have zero sympathy for idiots like you. I'm glad FEMA denied your claim. I'd hate to think that my tax dollars are going to subsidize your stupidity. That aid should only go to those who are truly needy THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.

Omegageek


Digital Rights Management? Hell no! The only person with any rights on MY computer is ME.

You, sir, are my hero. (none / 1) (#146)
by LilDebbie on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 02:34:59 PM EST

Bravo

My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
- hugin -

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hey jackass (3.00 / 3) (#148)
by tannhaus on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 02:59:39 PM EST

Glad you can afford to do all that shit.  But, the reality is, a lot of us can't jump up and leave every time there's a hurricane that MAY come our way.  A lot of us can't afford to leave even if it's going to hit us.  We have to stay because we have no choice.  If it's getting evicted and evacuating even though you may be ok or staying put, paying bills and hoping....guess which one happens?

People like you make me sick.  

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listen to yourself (2.00 / 2) (#162)
by Silver6 on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 09:37:42 PM EST

Bad decision #3. You didn't evacuate when you were told to.

Bad decision #4. When you finally did decide to leave town, you didn't take your stuff with you, and so had to go back. I'm at a loss for words to describe this level of idiocy.

"Glad you can afford to do all that shit."

You have said that you evacuated in the past, and that are now staying at your family's house. The news called for a direct category 5 hit on New Orleans. I refuse to believe you could not have just stayed at your family's house for one or two days to be safe. But lets accept your arguement that you can not afford to do that. It was still a bad decision to leave, come back, then leave again. Your economic situation has nothing to do with that decision.


Bad decision #5. Relying on the lumbering and inept bureaucracy that is the federal government to be there to take care of you, personally, right away after a catastrophe of epic proportions that affected millions. In my opinion, idiots like you should be at the back of the line.

Like it or not, we live in a country where the government does not really care about you individually. What will a $1000 check from FEMA really do for you? Pay off your apartment and give you some food? Given your attitude up to this point, it does not seem like you will put it to good use by going to work somewhere else. Its up to you to support yourself, regardless of what other people think and what the federal government or private aid organisations tell you.

[ Parent ]
You have no excuses (1.00 / 2) (#163)
by omegageek on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 07:35:00 AM EST

Glad you can afford to do all that shit.


Oh please! It doesn't cost that much. A weeks worth of nonperisable food like peanut butter, crackers, canned food, etc. What does that cost? Maybe $15-$20 bucks tops. What does a little bottled water cost? $10 will buy a lot of water. Buy the stuff a little at a time and stash it away somewhere. How hard is topping off your gas tank BEFORE the storm hits? How hard is buying a couple $5 plastic 5 gallon gas cans, filling them up and stashing them somewhere? After hurricane season ends you can always go ahead and use up all those supplies, so you aren't out anything in the long run.


It doesn't cost anything to make a reservation at most motels. If the storm turns and you don't need the reservation just cancel it before the deadline and it costs you nothing. If the storm doesn't turn and you have to leave, well the expense is minor compared to dying, or being trapped in the rubble.


This isn't rocket science, dude. And it isn't expensive either. This is just basic preparedness that EVERYONE who lives in hurricane country ought to be doing. There's no excuse for not taking these few simple and inexpensive steps. You are just a lazy, complacent, slug who doesn't want to do anything for himself and wants everything handed to him on a silver platter. You didn't want to be bothered with having to prepare for the storm, and now you don't want to be bothered with rebuilding your own life which YOU ruined. You want the rest of us, via the federal government, to do it all for you. Well I've got two words for you. Request Denied!

Omegageek


Digital Rights Management? Hell no! The only person with any rights on MY computer is ME.
[ Parent ]

whatever. (none / 1) (#178)
by Eivind on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 04:04:54 AM EST

Glad you can afford to do all that shit. But, the reality is, a lot of us can't jump up and leave every time there's a hurricane that MAY come our way. A lot of us can't afford to leave even if it's going to hit us.

But leaving was only one of the things you should do in such a situation. This joker did literally nothing.

How much does it cost to have fresh water for atleast a week stored ? If you use it only for drinking (like you would in an emergency) you'd be well off with like 5 gallons. That costs how much ? (yes, you can buy the cheapest water)

When you *do* leave, by car, after siphoning the petrol you didn't tank before the storm from a parked car, how much extra does it cost to assume it won't be trivial to return, so bring as much stuff as you can from what's needed and/or valuable ?

What is the downside of filling your car *before* a major storm is arriving ? It's not as if that'd be such a loss even if the storm *does* pass you by ?

How much does non-perishable and not-easily-destroyed food for a week cost ? Preferably such as can be prepared and eaten even without power.

Fact is, there was ample warning of this storm. Fact is also, with all of 1 hour investment and perhaps $10 in costs pro *YEAR* you could enormously improve your odds if something like this happens. That doesn't sound so impossible to me.

[ Parent ]

Comments on comment (3.00 / 2) (#152)
by jungleboogie on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 04:28:26 PM EST

While I agree with #1-#5, I can't agree with #6.  His point had little to do with the stupid decisions he made.  His point was that news media is full of bullshit and that the general public is being lied to.  None of that would have changed even if his pre-catastrophy decisions were smarter.

[ Parent ]
Nonsense (1.50 / 2) (#164)
by omegageek on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 08:11:11 AM EST

His point had little to do with the stupid decisions he made.


Actually it has everything to do with them. This guy was a lot better off than a lot of the others trapped by the storm. He had a car. He managed to get gas. He obviously lived in an area that didn't flood so badly that he couldn't drive his car out of the city. He even managed to get at least some of his stuff out. He only mentions damage to his neighbor's house, not his own. He's a cab driver, which means he can take his business anywhere, it isn't drowned under the flood waters in New Orleans leaving him unemployed like so many others. So what's his problem? This guy had it made. If only he'd had a brain to go along with his good luck. Everything bad that happened to him was his own doing. What makes him think he deserves any aid?


His point was that news media is full of bullshit and that the general public is being lied to.


How would he know? Just because he isn't receiving any aid doesn't mean there isn't lots of aid being delivered to others. Naturally he isn't receiving any storm aid. He is a victim of his own stupidity, not the storm. Now if he was one of those people who had to hack their way through their own roof to escape being trapped in their attic by rapidly rising water and was rescued by a Coast Guard chopper with only the clothes on his back and his job and everything he owned was gone forever, then I might have a little sympathy for him. But if that was the case, he couldn't be whining that the government hadn't done anything for him.


Besides, if the media is lying to us, then that must mean that the government is doing a great job of helping all the truly needy hurricane victims, right?

Omegageek


Digital Rights Management? Hell no! The only person with any rights on MY computer is ME.
[ Parent ]

Guess you haven't read some of the comments (3.00 / 2) (#167)
by Shajenko on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 01:34:04 PM EST

He only mentions damage to his neighbor's house, not his own. He's a cab driver, which means he can take his business anywhere, it isn't drowned under the flood waters in New Orleans leaving him unemployed like so many others.
He doesn't own, he rents. And he's likely to get evicted as soon as his landlord returns to NO.

He doesn't own his cab either, and he's only licensed to be a cabbie in NO. So no, he cannot take his business anywhere.

[ Parent ]
I read enough (1.50 / 2) (#169)
by omegageek on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 07:26:16 PM EST

I read enough to see that he had been trying to scam people into donating to his PayPal account.


He doesn't own, he rents. And he's likely to get evicted as soon as his landlord returns to NO.


Well Duh! He admits he was 2 months behind in the rent BEFORE the storm. So storm or no storm, the deadbeat would have been evicted. So again, he can't blame the storm for his homelessness. Is it any wonder FEMA and every other agency has shown this clown the door? He has yet to post anything to prove he is a victim of anything but his own stupidity.


He doesn't own his cab either, and he's only licensed to be a cabbie in NO.


So how long does it take to get a cab driver's license in Baton Rouge or Shreveport, or Lafyette or Monroe or any number of other places? A couple hours down at the DMV? It's not like he has lot of other things to do. Then maybe he can try to work a deal with his employer to allow him to drive the cab in one of those other towns until NO is back up and running. I'm sure the cab's owner isn't thrilled about it not generating any income. Hey, it may be a long shot, but he can at least ask. After all, about the only thing this clown has done right so far was save his employer's property by driving the cab out of NO. He may be grateful enough to be willing to work some sort of deal. If not, then there are a lot of other cab companies in those other towns.


The possibilities are endless. Rather than just sitting on his ass, whining, with his hand out, this lazy clown needs to switch his brain on, find some ambition and start working on putting his own life back together.

Omegageek


Digital Rights Management? Hell no! The only person with any rights on MY computer is ME.
[ Parent ]

IMPORTANT UPDATE AND PROOF OF MY STORY (3.00 / 6) (#149)
by tannhaus on Wed Sep 14, 2005 at 03:00:41 PM EST

Ok, I have gotten tired of all the idiots whining "scam" while not taking me up on my offer to provide proof, so I'm posting links here to several documents that will provide proof.

http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/6596/tannscan17sa.jpg

http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/6803/tannscan23bu.jpg

http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/7461/tannscan31vv.jpg

I darkened out my social security number, driver's license number, and street address of my family members I'm staying with in Alabama.  However, I left my address intact.

As far as the important update, I'm leaving right after I write this to go back to New Orleans.  They claim they need cab drivers, so I'm going to go back and work...even if I have to sleep in the cab.  I might not have internet access, so I'll be slow in replying to you if you email me, but I WILL reply when I get a chance.

the saddest thing about this (3.00 / 2) (#168)
by nanobug on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 03:19:27 PM EST

I must say that I agree completely with the consensus that you put yourself in the situation.  If I were in N.O. when a Cat. 5 hurricane came along, and I had a car, I would have left and worried about where to stay after I left.  You played with fire and you got burned, and while I do feel sorry for you, I also think that you need to stop pointing the finger and start figuring out a real solution to your problem.  You are not a victim of the government.  The government is not some entity that has bottomless pockets and an all seeing eye to come to your aid whenever you are in trouble.  Your attitude reeks of entitlement, and maybe this is the wake-up call you need to realize that you are not entitled to ANYTHING.  

By the way, there are a LOT of job openings posted on craigslist by generous people and companies who want to help out in some way.  Many are offering relocation assistance.  There are also a lot of families all over the country offering free room and board.  If you are willing to do what you need to do, and work hard, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.  

Anything is better than sitting around feeling sorry for yourself.


Not entitled? (none / 0) (#194)
by Keepiru on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 12:28:44 AM EST

Your attitude reeks of entitlement, and maybe this is the wake-up call you need to realize that you are not entitled to ANYTHING.
Why shouldn't a US citezen feel entitled to the things that the government is supposed to provide?

[ Parent ]
Oh that's terrible... (none / 1) (#185)
by A synx on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 06:21:18 PM EST

I'm so sorry you have to go through this! The media can be so terrible when they talk about recovery when there is none, talk about caring, when there is none.  And stupid landlords, anyone who evicts someone suffering from the effects of a hurricane should be not allowed to own land.  Instead, it's the worthy people who are not allowed to own land, and the rich bastards who hoard it all "privately."

You still have your cab, and your life, so there's some good in this.  Just try to find a place where people will pay you to drive them around, and you can find another place to pay rent at.  Hopefully with a better contract, and landlord, this time.  The corporate media lies and sidesteps, and gives us whatever news that sells, but you who are in the reality of it, good luck and keep facing forward.

Unbelievable Behaviour (none / 0) (#188)
by sympathiser on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 06:54:07 AM EST

Tannhaus, I am really sorry for the tragedy that has befallen you and wish you a speedy recovery. I am appalled by the heartlessness and cruelty of the human parasites, collectively known as Trolls, that infest K5! You are by far the most worthless human beings I've ever encountered. Be that as it may, I would not even contemplate wishing Tannhaus' fate for you.

Some comments (none / 0) (#190)
by skim123 on Tue Sep 20, 2005 at 01:03:35 AM EST

First off, glad you made it out alive and healthy. You have the one thing that matters most - your life. I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to lose everything, to face hunger and thirst, to be turned away when you see the news shows talking about so much. I think it's understandable that you're complaining here, although I agree with others when they say that you made some poor decisions and are not taking your share of the responsibility. (But now is not the time to worry about that... in retrospect after you get resettled, you will hopefully see this side of the coin.)

In any event, I hope you come through this stronger than when you entered it. Hopefully this ordeal gives you some inner strength and confidence that you can persevere. Try to remain optimistic and have faith that things will work out for the best. Never give up and bust your ass and things will work out! :-)

Ok, enough of the motivational speaker bit... Good luck, stay strong, and don't give up. As this disaster has shown, the only real thing you can count on is yourself, your own drive, and your own ingenuity... not the government, not social aid, and not your neighbor. Yes, those can provide help, but when the chips are down, there's only one source that you know will be there for you come hell of high water - you. Best wishes...

Money is in some respects like fire; it is a very excellent servant but a terrible master.
PT Barnum


And what we learn from this is ... (none / 1) (#191)
by Ranieri on Tue Sep 20, 2005 at 04:23:55 AM EST

Never post anything even remotely personal to K5.
--
Taste cold steel, feeble cannon restraint rope!
Don't lose hope (none / 1) (#192)
by HuguesT on Tue Sep 20, 2005 at 07:39:34 AM EST

Well at least you are alive, and don't listen to the people who say it's your own fault. They weren't in your shoes, maybe they'll realize that some day.

To all the naysayers, many many people thought NO would dodge that bullet once again, and for a while it looks at if it would and the levee would hold.

Tannhaus makes the cogent point that if one is rich enough then missing out on a few days' work is no big deal, and if it all turns out to be a false alert then fine, however if one is not rich enough (and he write he was already late on rent payment) then effectively he had no choice.

Many people make the mistake of thinking rich==smart, nothing could be further from the truth. Chance happenth to them all.

Anyway, Tannhaus, you write well and you have a thick skin, you deserve better than getting abuse from some of these people here on Kuro5hin.

Thanks for your story.

Moronic (none / 0) (#196)
by Overture on Thu Sep 22, 2005 at 02:04:18 AM EST

I am 18 years old. I volunteered to go and help in New Orleans. Can anyone explain why you can join the army and help but you must be 21 to go with the red cross? It is ridiculous that I can not volunteer and help these stupid people who can't help themselves, but I am willing to lend a hand to, simply because I am not legally able to drink alcohol.

Volunteers aren't limited to Red Cross... (none / 0) (#199)
by jpeace on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 12:28:50 AM EST

Please check into the shelters in your area. Many are begging for volunteers. One for instance: there have been mountains of clothes donated that need to be sorted. There are many other tasks too. Every little bit helps!

Thanks for wanting to make a difference. Please don't let the Red Cross pop your baloon! Many people do not realize that church groups usually get to the disaster sites way before Red Cross. Red Cross is just the most visible.


"We do not need to do extraordinary things to achieve extraordinary results!"
[ Parent ]

I hope you make it (none / 0) (#197)
by Witchey on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 10:31:28 PM EST

I'm a little concerned about the number of people who seem to think that this man's plight is of his own making. And something in the tone of these comments makes me think that the posters have never been poor or lost everything. It also seems to me these days that some think that giving negative criticism shows that they are intelligent and witty, and they will be contrary just for the sake of contrariness.

If it was as simple as some of you say to avoid being homeless or poor, we wouldn't have many homeless or poor people, would we? I mean, it being so easy to not be homeless or affected by natural disasters and all...

I think much of the unsympathetic, it's-your-own-fault post may be attempts by the writers to distance themselves from the possibility of such a thing happening to them. If you are just like them, then something like this might one day befall them, no? But if it is your fault, if you are stupid or otherwise lacking, then this cannot happen to them because they are smarter, better, etc.

I wish you luck.

WOW! I too am a Katrina survivor... (none / 1) (#198)
by jpeace on Mon Sep 26, 2005 at 11:37:04 PM EST

My ex happens to also be a cab driver. He first sought out a shelter after the storm. He drove north and looked for the nearest church. They took him and many others in. They fed & housed him & the others for a week. Then they gave him enough gas plus a few dollars in his pocket so he could return home. (But then again he has always been the resourceful type!) Once he found his apartment inhabitable he found the nearest policeman who he asked very respectfully what on earth he could do next. They told him to go to the airport and if he did not want to go to Baton Rouge he would be flown to somewhere else. He was told that he would not know where he was going till he boarded the plane - but that he would be going where he would be housed, taken care of and they would help him find work. He went to South Carolina and was offered a job as a driver for a major company. Another Success story. I know of many more.

That first 3 days gave the government time to get a plan together. YES, it takes time, sorry. This was a disaster of proportions we have NEVER before seen. 9/11 can only be compared in some respects. First - it was NOT spread over 4 states - IT WAS CONFINED TO ONE CITY. The NEXT one WILL be different. We all learn from our mistakes, hopefully!

Many people out there believe the world owes them something. We all know the type... thier problems are NEVER due to any fault of thier own.

Every hurricane preparedness list I have ever seen, the stores/banks/gorceries around here are always handing them out during hurricane season, points out that you should have food and water for a MINIMUM of 3 days. This is reitterated on the local news over and over when there is a storm approaching. Please keep in mind - Logistically it takes that long for supplies to be expedited to the disaster site - MINIMUM. Most of the general public has no idea that the shelters that are initially set up to evacuate to REQUIRE YOU TO BRING YOUR OWN FOOD AND WATER! The same went for the Superdome and Convention Centers. NEVER were these facilities supposed to FEED all those people. SORRY, The fault lies with the people themselves. Should we always be prepared to save people from thier own bad decisions? When will adults be made accountable for thier own actions? Which brings up another point - I am sure many are already contemplating lawsuits. Can we sue GOD? If you are a believer, as am I, surely it is HIS fault!!!! Lawsuits are an entirely different subject and I won't get on that soapbox... YET! I'll save that for another day!

PERSONALLY, Tannhaus, You had me going till I saw that you posted a PAYPAL ACCOUNT.

H m m m m m m m m m...

Kinda makes me wonder...


"We do not need to do extraordinary things to achieve extraordinary results!"

I joined this site after I read this story... (none / 0) (#204)
by hanjet on Thu Dec 01, 2005 at 08:06:46 PM EST

I joined this site after I read this story and the stupid comments that followed it. I think it is utterley despicable that people can say the things they did. This man has survived something that most of you will never even come close to experiencing in your lives. You can post all the sucess stories you want, and it will not make a difference. There are probably an infinite amount of losses. Just because you know someone who happened to share the same job and was fortunate enough to make it to a church ( a lot of churches were destroyed), doesn't mean that everyone else who was a taxi driver could have made it.

Also, tannhaus posted proof which you can read, and later on (after this post) and asked people to stop donating. If a scammer was making a profit, he would not do this.

I highly suggest you stop criticizing people from behind your computer and go to New Orleans (if you are not already there). You should have seen people floating in boxes on the flooded streets. The police viloence, the racism and things that humans only do under the most extreme circumstances. You said the fault lies with the people for not bringing any food... well there wasn't much of it in the first place.

Tannhaus I feel the same pain you feel, even though I myself do not live there, but have seen what has happened there.

I hope all you critics who just think you are "cool" and gaining "respect" by trying to prove that he is scamming everyone, and it is somehow his own fault that he is the position he is in, go to New Orleans, even now, and see the damage that has been done. Don't rely on the internet or the medias to show you the damage, go see it yourself. Then come here and criticize all you want. You will just be criticizing your own stupid self.

[ Parent ]

Thank you (none / 0) (#206)
by tannhaus on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:05:38 PM EST

Thank you very much.  I really appreciate it.

[ Parent ]
Nature's awesome power (none / 0) (#200)
by redeye on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 09:44:57 AM EST

I sympathise with your plight, but I can't help but wonder about your own thoughts, back at Christmas time, about the millions of people caught up in the Tsunami.

Apparently the relief effort for it has been a disaster too, with most of the money donated never reaching the victims.

UPDATE FROM JEFFERSON PARISH (none / 0) (#202)
by tannhaus on Tue Oct 04, 2005 at 04:08:55 PM EST

I'm back in Jefferson Parish by the New Orleans airport. The governor put a law into place that you could not be evicted for a month after this, so, thanks to the paypal donations, I was able to pay up the rent and not get evicted. I have electricity at my place now, although running water is proving to be difficult. I hope to have it again within a week. As far as the job goes, the only place I COULD drive my cab is Jefferson Parish. However, I am now back in Jefferson Parish and driving. So, my financial situation is pretty much stable again. I'm still hoping FEMA comes through for me to help replace some of what I lost. They did send me rental assistance, but there aren't really any places to rent, so that's pretty moot. But, I think I can get the $2,000 from them for disaster aid. But, I just wanted to come and update, for those that cared. Thank you so much for your wellwishing and for those that donated. Both actions were very very much appreciated. I am out of the fire now and back in the pan, so I ask that please, no one send any more paypal donations to me. I really appreciate those that did, and I used it to pay rent and electricity bills...but I'm now able to once again support myself. This is not a situation that rectifies itself overnight, but things are back on track for me. I'm on the path to recovery...I think everyone is. There are so many job openings here, anyone that wants a job can have one. So, all of us are able to work and get back on our feet. Thanks to everyone that left words of encouragement and kindness.

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