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Can we finally have <IMG> tags in stories?

By t1ber in Media
Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 03:15:07 AM EST
Tags: Kuro5hin.org (all tags)
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Dear Rusty,

Remember when we used to frolic on the beach, hand in hand, thinking about the 2400 baud modem days of the internet back when BBSs were cool and RIPSCRIPT graphics took 10 minutes to download but DAMN that was some good lolicon?

Well, the web has moved on. Not only is it called roricon now, but there's actually graphics on it! Those are like RIPSCRIPTs, but actually not made out of very small letters and numbers!

So I suppose the two big questions to ask about graphics on K5 are: How do we stop it from becoming "Rustys Meatwhistle Roricon Ranch" and "Why Do We Want To Do This Anyway?"

That and "Who is the Worthless Sod Proposing This and Can He Code?" But that makes three.


Why?
My argument for graphics on K5 is that they enhance the stories presented. The fiction section could certainly use the pictures because someone might wish to compose a storybook. Other sections could use the tags for charts and graphs to further illustrate the point. Take, for example, a story on brewing. How To Make Beer has been one of my K5 favorites. When we read that, we're presented with a very concise and easy to follow article with one exception: It's very hard to figure out how the tubing should connect everything if we don't have it in front of us. Worse yet, if we're not mechanically inclined, having everything in front of us still might not be enough. We could become confused on the collection of seemingly random and unrelated parts! Stories with pictures would solve this problem. Not only could Sgt York have written a story on brewing, but he could have posted photographs illustrating the proper head, color, and pouring methods of beer. He could have posted diagrams of his setup and proper techniques. A good example of a site which values illustrations more then text is Instructables. Because Instructables has no concept of moderation or an edit queue, they suck.

How?
Or more to the point, "Who is going to host all this?" I'm on the fence about this issue. In order to prevent image hosting abuse, I think it's reasonable to ask the users to host their own images. However, in the interest of keeping value in the archives, we simply cannot assume that a webserver is going to be there forever or that images will last forever. I suppose the best solution is to allow people to post images (restricted to a certain size) and then come up with an Apache configuration prohibiting the use of those images off site. If you're not coming from K5, you can't link directly to those images. This would be something for someone to contribute to the story in the comments section below, I really have no idea how to implement the concept but I've seen it done on other sites. The other upside of this is that it would mitigate other people having to whitelist "one more site" in their apache config if they host the images and we could re-use images between stories on K5. The political articles could really use this feature when discussing history. The computer people could use this if a design works well or if they want to compare benchmarks.

Code?
To the best of my knowledge, allowing the use of the IMG tag would probably just be a simple change in an array. To be frank, I have never actually looked at the SCOOP code. I don't believe images should be permitted anywhere except the body of the story. That is to say that people wanting to post images in comments are going to be out of luck. You're going to have to offer improvements to diagrams on your own dime and use good old A HREF. The same applies to posting images in the intro. As far as the upload system for images is concerned, that can wait...

So Rusty, can we have IMG tags in the body, hosted on our own dime until such a time when we can move the hosting to K5 to preserve the media?

Thanks!

Rusty Responds:
You can view his response in this comment in the comments section of this story. This has taken the story a new direction. I would like to see this become a discussion on implimentation theory in addition to usage theory. Ask how you can help improve Scoop.

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Can we finally have <IMG> tags in stories? | 116 comments (104 topical, 12 editorial, 0 hidden)
A good idea... (none / 1) (#2)
by scorbett on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 01:50:28 PM EST

... but would almost certainly be abused. It might work if you limited it only to articles submitted to the edit/vote queue (i.e. NOT the diary section).

Why deny the diary section? (none / 0) (#3)
by t1ber on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 01:55:45 PM EST

The diary section gets even less exposure then the queue's do.  While I know from running my own site that people have all sorts of scripts to parse your forms and try to stuff your comments section with their products, the diary section could use this.  The beekeeping diary from xC0000005 is a fine example of a legitimate diary which can use the image tag to great use.  I would have no idea, for instance, on proper use of steam to control bees, and I think it would be hard to properly describe.

On the other hand, I think it's much easier for someone to write a script to stuff images in diaries.

How about limiting it to K5 hosted images only and have a captcha required for uploading?  Anyone have experience using such a system?

And she said...
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
Hadji girl I can't understand what you're saying.

[ Parent ]

just to argue against myself... (none / 0) (#5)
by t1ber on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:16:53 PM EST

A good reason for denying IMG tags to the diary section would be to prompt people to post to the queues if their diary is getting requests for diagrams.  If people need diagrams, it means they've got something they want to discuss or debate.  It means they're probably following along with the project and can contribute to the comments and the refinement of the article.  

And she said...
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
Hadji girl I can't understand what you're saying.

[ Parent ]

i know i'm submitting the mighty goatse himself (none / 0) (#7)
by superawesome on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:19:42 PM EST

the moment we have this feature
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I FUCK DEAD PUPPIES
[ Parent ]
Dairies... (none / 0) (#62)
by AndreMA on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 03:35:16 AM EST

The potential for abuse might be mitigated by allowing the diarist to post IMG tags, but have Scoop convert them into straight links. If such links are present in the diary, automatically add a button to request that the images be actually added to the story; if there are "enough" votes for it Rusty or another Admin copies them to the K5 server, and the diary gets automagically modified, restoring the IMG tags and making them point the the locally hosted copies.

Just an idea.

[ Parent ]

i want smilies (2.20 / 5) (#4)
by feddc on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 01:59:31 PM EST

like on phpBB and vbulletin boards.

plz, rusty, plz!

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ZING

:D :D :D :D :D :D (3.00 / 2) (#87)
by SoupIsGoodFood on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 03:34:47 AM EST

:o
:)
;)

[ Parent ]
No. (2.66 / 3) (#6)
by CanSpice on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:17:19 PM EST

k5 would turn into a den of goatse and tubgirl. ASCII goatse is enough.

haven't the admins added pictures to stories? (none / 0) (#8)
by superawesome on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:21:05 PM EST

I remember some math related article from long ago that involved equations and possibly diagrams. Is there already some established procedure for making this happen?
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I FUCK DEAD PUPPIES
I agree (2.76 / 13) (#9)
by rusty on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:22:22 PM EST

And actually, a modern Scoop has some really nice image tools built in. We can already limit uploads per user, and limit individual upload sizes, and do all kinds of slick thumbnailing and resizing on the fly and stuff.

So yeah, I already planned to do some opening up of images in an updated K5. And AYE! there's the rub. I have to find the time to update. I realize that half the people here will bitch and moan about it, but I don't care that much. I figured we'd open up images in voted stories and see how it goes. And maybe diaries could come later.

So, totally agree with you, and alreasdy planning to do it, and hoping to get K5 updated this year.

I don't really want to just throw open the IMG tag, even just in the story body, because of the high likelihood that it will ultimately lead to stories with broken images down the road. I take fairly great pride in ensuring that things that are posted here have remained, and continue to remain online here, at the same URL, forever. With the obvious exception of stuff that's wiped out for beng obnoxious, of course. Or, I suppose, obnoxious in the wrong way (if we're being totally honest about it).

So, have patience, grasshopper. Have patience.

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Not the real rusty

images must be hosted on K5 (3.00 / 6) (#12)
by insomnyuk on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:31:07 PM EST

All of the other technical and policy considerations are trivial in comparison.

Whatever happens, images will have to be hosted on kuro5hin.org servers.

Or things like this will happen. And instead of it being cheeky and amusing, the sort of serverside switcharoos that will happen will be an unmitigated, unmediated look into the bilious darkness that is the soul of the K5 troll.  I don't think any of us are truly prepared for that.  Except maybe Jesus, because, you know, he is The Christ who trolled Rome, t3h Jews, and death itself, even death on a cross.

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"There is only one honest impulse at the bottom of Puritanism, and that is the impulse to punish the man with a superior capacity for happiness." - H.L. Mencken
[ Parent ]

hey rusty (none / 0) (#15)
by circletimessquare on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:43:14 PM EST

did you get my email this morning about possibly putting an image in a story, speak of the devil? ;-P


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
I didn't (3.00 / 2) (#26)
by rusty on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 03:22:31 PM EST

Honestly, I'm way behind reading help@k5. And it's so spam-ridden that even attempting it makes me sort of shudder with dread. That's another reason I really want to upgrade the site -- we need a web-based help form, to get that support address changed and keep it hidden, so that hopefully it can actually be of some use again.

Usually I don't have any problem putting images in stories. I'm going to be offline for a few days though. So go ahead if you can get one of the other admins to work with you on it or get in touch with me Monday.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

alright, thanks man ;-) i sent it to editors@ nt (none / 0) (#31)
by circletimessquare on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 03:33:28 PM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Timetable? Things To Be Done? (none / 0) (#16)
by t1ber on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:46:20 PM EST

I'm sure we've got a few coders here who are more familiar with it then me.  In the interested of open source and community submission, how about a list of things we (the coders) can work on to smooth the transition process?  Are there any features which still have rough edges?  If there are, how about setting a timetable you'd like to see these features completed on and link us to specific things we can help out with?

I'm actually glad the trolls haven't scared you off.  The IMG thing pops up from time to time in people's diarys and I think there's probably enough geeks here on the site we can actually do something to help.  (Even if it is to simply make a taller soapbox to troll off of).  ;)

And she said...
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
Hadji girl I can't understand what you're saying.

[ Parent ]

Nothing to be done, unfortunately (none / 0) (#18)
by rusty on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:59:43 PM EST

What needs to be done is not really anything I can farm out. It's not like there are features yet to be finished or anything. I basically just need to set up a fresh copy of my working Scoop, get a modern version of the K5 design put together, get it set up to go along with any desirable new-skool upgrades, and then bung all the old content and stuff into it.

Ok, actually, in that list is one thing that someone else will have to do, which is produce an updated K5 design. I was going to have my boy Ryan do it, but I don't know when I'm ever going to be willing to sacrifice his time for K5, nor could I even really afford to pay him for it. So if anyone wants to take on the job of producing a modern, clean, xhtml/css version of (more or less) the current K5 look and feel, be my guest. There's little chance anyone else is going to suddenly render your work obselete before you're fin ished, and it would give me a significant nudge down the road to updating.

All I need is an html exemplar of an index page and an interior (i.e. story) page, along with any necessary images and css. The example content can either be lipsum or something slurped from the live site. So, anyone up for it? :-)

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

So is this going to be... (none / 0) (#20)
by t1ber on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 03:07:42 PM EST

Whatever grabs your attention?  I think you should run a front-pager that you're looking for submissions and you're going to dump them all at once into the edit queue after $DEADLINE for us to comment and vote on.  It would get the ball rolling...  ;)

And she said...
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
Hadji girl I can't understand what you're saying.

[ Parent ]

Good idea (3.00 / 2) (#25)
by rusty on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 03:20:12 PM EST

I'm not actually looking for a new design. I'm just looking for a good clean modern version of the current design, with hopefully an eye toward some good CSS standardization, that we could use later on for options and theming. I think there's enough to do without also trying to do an overall redesign.

I'm about to leave for the weekend, but look for something on Monday. I really do want to get this thing updated. It irks me more all the time dealing with the old bad ways of doing things that we've got a lot of here, as opposed to updated better ways that I work with professionally every day.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

BEFORE YOU LEAVE (none / 0) (#27)
by t1ber on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 03:23:58 PM EST

Link us to the template spec.

It's always a little bit easier working on something if you know the API.  ;)

Does it have a header, footer, and sidebar?  Are there other objects to design?  Should we just mock it up and you'll do the cutting to make it fit in the Scoop template?

And she said...
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
Hadji girl I can't understand what you're saying.

[ Parent ]

Template spec? (3.00 / 2) (#39)
by rusty on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 04:12:17 PM EST

My god man, what do you think this is, a professional enterprise? :-)

Seriously, my best advice is take what we have now, turn it into good clean "describe what stuff is" html and "describe what stuff should look like" css, while ending up with a page that looks, to the very best of your ability, exactly like the page you started with, and you'll almost definitely have made something I can use.

What I usually start with for work is an html/css/images mockup, which isn't live or functional in any way, but just has everything in it that the finished page is supposed to have. Then I chop that up into pieces that Scoop can digest. That's probably what you meant, but "mockup" can mean both that and a straight "jpg saved out of photoshop" mockup, so the former is the kind of mockup I'd want.

But I really will try to post about this formally on Monday.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Re: design (none / 0) (#93)
by driph on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 05:07:18 PM EST

While I dunno if K5 theming is a good idea(good for Scoop itself, tho), it'd be nice to clean up the code a bit.

Are you planning to move completely to CSS for layout, or tables with CSS used for formatting?

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Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]

As much css as possible (none / 0) (#106)
by rusty on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 12:51:15 PM EST

Sometimes, defensive design demands tables where we'd rather not use them, especially for sites like this, where there's a lot of open posting. But the sites I'm deploying now are all css, and it usually works eventually. So the new design should be all CSS, and I'll probably end up having to hack in a table or two where there's just no CSS way to do soemthing.

And by theming, I'm thinking more like small changes that may be personal preference, like we could offer a darker-background version for people who hate the brght white. More CSS means this would be much easier to do --  just load (or overload) a slightly different css file for some themes.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

post about it formally (none / 0) (#100)
by Delirium on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 03:44:29 AM EST

Can I get a UML diagram of the k5 code pls so I can send this to management.

[ Parent ]
I'm gonna need those TPS reports... (none / 1) (#103)
by rusty on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 09:41:05 AM EST

...mmmm-kay?

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Please no images in teh diaries (3.00 / 9) (#28)
by tetsuwan on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 03:26:11 PM EST

I beg you on my bare knees!

Njal's Saga: Just like Romeo & Juliet without the romance
[ Parent ]

IAWTP (none / 0) (#82)
by GotoHospital on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 02:42:09 PM EST

As it is now, I can look at comments wrt offsite images to see if OH NO OH NO MY BLEEDING EYES comments are there.
nested¢ evolution is still interesting. talk.origins faq.
[ Parent ]
Being omniscient and all that, (2.80 / 5) (#37)
by DJ Allah on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 03:55:31 PM EST

I would just like to point out that images are a very, very bad idea. I think the resulting squabble has the potential to ruin K5 completely.


The real image of Islam!
[ Parent ]
Give K5 to somebody with more time. (2.33 / 3) (#43)
by Paulsweblog on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 04:58:08 PM EST

Seriously.

--
Blood for blood and death for death.
[ Parent ]

He did (1.50 / 2) (#46)
by debacle on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 06:36:31 PM EST

His name is hulver.

It doesn't take that much time. Ruston is just busy polishing all of those monocles.

After all, he took the time to put those goddamned ads everywhere.

It tastes sweet.
[ Parent ]

Husi isn't k5 (1.50 / 2) (#50)
by Scrymarch on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 08:59:09 PM EST

It's a gentrified diary ghetto.

[ Parent ]
And k5 is what? $ (none / 1) (#51)
by debacle on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 09:33:23 PM EST



It tastes sweet.
[ Parent ]
Backissue of The New Yorker left in a gutter $ (1.50 / 2) (#77)
by Scrymarch on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 06:14:05 PM EST



[ Parent ]
Hahahaha. (none / 0) (#47)
by NoMoreNicksLeft on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 06:38:58 PM EST

T1ber, now you'll NEVER have it. If rusty says he likes the idea, just has to find time to do it, that's the kiss of death.

If he would have just been quiet about it, there was always some slim chance...

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Do not look directly into laser with remaining good eye.
[ Parent ]

frankly, rusty, your preserve too much of K5 (none / 1) (#53)
by balsamic vinigga on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 11:35:50 PM EST

Like sure if a story made it past the queue keep for all eternity.  But most of the comments are pure crap.

delete from comments where ratingCount < 2

plz k thx

oh and after you got rid of the bullshit comments get rid of the bullshit diaries too, you'll know which ones are bullshit by how many non-bullshit comments it has

delete from diaries having commentCount > 10

plz k thx

Before I thought you preserved everything out of laziness not PRIDE

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[ Parent ]

wait wait don't run that query yet! (none / 1) (#54)
by balsamic vinigga on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 11:36:54 PM EST

there was an error!

LESS THAN 10 not GREATER THAN

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[ Parent ]

You just want to... (none / 0) (#85)
by D Jade on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 08:14:05 PM EST

... get rid of all the dumbass comments you made back in the day when you had a codeine addiction... Man, I see right through you.

You're a shitty troll, so stop pretending you have more of a life than a cool dude -- HollyHopDrive
[ Parent ]
I want to write an article on pinhole photography (none / 1) (#65)
by SoupIsGoodFood on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 05:13:01 AM EST

SO GET A BLOODY MOVE ON! :p

[ Parent ]
Offtopic, but... (3.00 / 3) (#69)
by gordonjcp on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 08:39:52 AM EST

Fresnel photography is cool too. Look for "fresnel ring" or "zone plate".

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll bore you rigid with fishing stories for the rest of your life.


[ Parent ]
YES, I TOO (1.50 / 2) (#111)
by Lenticular Array on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 07:33:27 PM EST

I WISH TO WRITE AN ARTICLE ON INDOOR AIRBORNE HAZARDS AND I CANNOT DO JUSTICE TO IT W/OUT SOME CFD VISUALIZATIONS, PREFERABLY INLINE WITH THE ARTICLE.
ANONYMIZED
[ Parent ]
Unlikely, for security reasons. (none / 0) (#10)
by creativedissonance on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:23:14 PM EST

Give me a IMG tag and I'll have XSS nastiness on k5 so fast it'll make your head spin.

Think about it - we could finally steal Kitten's account once and for all.


ay yo i run linux and word on the street
is that this is where i need to be to get my butt stuffed like a turkey - br14n

If you're not part of the solution... (none / 0) (#13)
by t1ber on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:36:55 PM EST

OK, so what would you do to prevent yourself from doing that?

Should Rusty require cDiss::Gun::InMouth?

And she said...
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
Hadji girl I can't understand what you're saying.

[ Parent ]

are you being deliberately obtuse? (none / 0) (#56)
by creativedissonance on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 11:47:25 PM EST

the point is not whether or not I would do it, its the fact that anyone could.


ay yo i run linux and word on the street
is that this is where i need to be to get my butt stuffed like a turkey - br14n
[ Parent ]
they did it before (none / 0) (#11)
by circletimessquare on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:23:33 PM EST

for some economics story awhile ago

but its potential for abuse is to great

so the current status quo: beg the admins on a case-by-case basis, is the best

if you don't like that, go to fark.com and image post to your heart's content


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

The advent of images on k5 ... (none / 0) (#14)
by Ignore Amos on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:42:26 PM EST

... will be the harbinger of my departure.

And that explains why airplanes carry cargo on small boats floating in their cargo aquarium. - jmzero

Oh fuck, then we'll have it done tomorrow. (3.00 / 5) (#17)
by t1ber on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:48:37 PM EST

;)

And she said...
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
Hadji girl I can't understand what you're saying.

[ Parent ]

-1 situation sort of resolved. move to diary (none / 1) (#22)
by superawesome on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 03:14:04 PM EST

link to rusty thread.
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I FUCK DEAD PUPPIES
Actually, that's been the problem (none / 0) (#24)
by t1ber on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 03:16:24 PM EST

There's been comments about it IN the diarys, but no-one has pulled it out as a roundtable in the queues.  I'm pretty sure people have ideas about it and want to help but they weren't organized about it.

And she said...
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
Hadji girl I can't understand what you're saying.

[ Parent ]

IAWTP - Thank GOD we have t-1ber to lead us [nt] (none / 0) (#58)
by IAWTP Troll on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 12:39:42 AM EST



[ Parent ]
i always figured (none / 1) (#23)
by eudas on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 03:14:49 PM EST

it was because things will drop down to the lowest common denominator, and the LCD around here is pretty goddamned low.

eventually it'll be "lol what", "no yuo11!" and porno pics.

hence, no IMG tag.

eudas
"We're placing this wood in your ass for the good of the world" -- mrgoat

O RLY? [NT] (2.50 / 4) (#40)
by MattGWU on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 04:21:27 PM EST



[ Parent ]
Mr Goatse says hi.$ (none / 0) (#30)
by V on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 03:31:21 PM EST


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"That, and the fact that V is a total, utter scumbag." VZAMaZ.
"well look up little troll" cts.
"I think you're a worthless little cuntmonkey but you made me lol, so I sigged you." re
"goodness gracious you're an idiot" mariahkillschickens
Rusty's ... (none / 1) (#32)
by Ignore Amos on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 03:34:27 PM EST

... meatwhistle?

And that explains why airplanes carry cargo on small boats floating in their cargo aquarium. - jmzero

No images in diaries, please (2.88 / 9) (#38)
by Enlarged to Show Texture on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 04:09:16 PM EST

There are enough instances of goatse on the internet to where we don't need to have more of them showing up in diaries around here. Frankly, there are some of us who troll K5 from the office, and don't need to be seeing that tripe (or having K5 getting filtered out for that reason).

Frankly, I would say that we're better off without images, unless there is some easy way to toggle between allowing and disallowing images. Preferably, I would like to see this included as part of the session cookie - but, if I have to toggle it in the settings, so be it.

As for the article, +1 FP. This is something that needs to be discussed thoroughly before Rusty considers implementing it, and this story is as good a means as any.


"Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do." -- Isaac Asimov
No referer checking (none / 0) (#41)
by Psychopath on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 04:41:35 PM EST

Please. Some people use browsers who don't send a Referer header. And in my opinion it just sucks. I hate it when I search for something on google images, get nice results but when trying to view them full size there's only some insult about beeing a thief or something like that.
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The only antidote to mental suffering is physical pain. -- Karl Marx
They need better referer scripts (3.00 / 3) (#66)
by SoupIsGoodFood on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 05:26:40 AM EST

I guess it depends on what they use it for. I have a referer script. However, rather than not showing the image, I redirect to an HTML page containing the image. Also, I don't redirect when there is no referer, just when it's not my domain. This solves most of my hotlinking problems. It must really confuse the fuck out of these myspace idiots. The images doesn't show up, so they paste the URL into the browser to check, and it seems to work fine. Serves the bastards right ;)

[ Parent ]
Tell me how to do this (none / 0) (#73)
by MichaelCrawford on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 02:38:01 PM EST

I'm ok with getting hotlinked, but I'd like to serve a different image that has my URL added across the bottom, so all those people at myspace who are presently seeing my logo getting hotlinked all over creation know where it comes from.

Is this something I can do with a .htaccess file?

It's not so much a bandwidth problem. I'd just like proper credit.


--

Live your fucking life. Sue someone on the Internet. Write a fucking music player. Like the great man Michael David Crawford has shown us all: Hard work, a strong will to stalk, and a few fries short of a happy meal goes a long way. -- bride of spidy


[ Parent ]

Something like that I think (none / 1) (#76)
by Psychopath on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 05:42:44 PM EST

<Files (*.gif|*.jpg)>
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^$
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://your.domain.tld/.*$ [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)\..{3}$ /$1.logo.$2
</Files>

For this you need a pre-made logo version of all images.
Alternatively you could create some cgi/php/.. script which gets the path of the image as parameter and generates and serves it on the fly.
(I didn't try that, probably some mistakes in it, haven't done much apache playing lately.)
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The only antidote to mental suffering is physical pain. -- Karl Marx
[ Parent ]

Here's what I use: (none / 0) (#78)
by SoupIsGoodFood on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 09:44:22 PM EST

I put this in my /images/photos/.htaccess

RewriteEngine On

RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} \.(jpg|gif|png)$ [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^$
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !soupisgoodfood\.net [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !photography\.soupisgoodfood\.net [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !google\. [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !search\?q=cache [NC]

RewriteRule (.*) /index.php?file=$1

I then have a script which pulls the image ID variable from the filename/URL.

[ Parent ]

Exactly. (none / 1) (#83)
by CheeseburgerBrown on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 02:56:59 PM EST

Blanket banning blank referrers is moronic.

For MySpace specifically my server replaces the hotlinked image with an advertisement for my website. It's the background wallpaper for at least a dozen MySpace sites (and the best part is I don't host the ad so I don't pay for the bandwidth, Geocities does).


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Parent ]
Roffles! (none / 1) (#86)
by SoupIsGoodFood on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 03:12:08 AM EST

That's a brilliant idea! I often wanted to put some other image as a replacement, but didn't want it to happen for most domains ... over looked the obvious, I guess.

Err... How is it that you don't host the add?

[ Parent ]

Outsourcing Hotlink Replacement Image (none / 1) (#90)
by CheeseburgerBrown on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 06:12:40 AM EST

I store the replacement image in a Yahoo/Geocities homepage -- like one of those 2MB throwaway dealies. (Hotlinking Yahoo/Geocities images seems to be blocked for the main domain, but the Canadian sub-domain allows it.)

Obviously, you can send out the replacement image only for explicitly stated domains if you want to tailor something different for MySpace and GreatestJournal than you use for general anti-hotlinking.


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Parent ]
Also, tables. (none / 0) (#42)
by i on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 04:42:08 PM EST

And maybe some kind of (restricted, filtered) inline CSS.

and we have a contradicton according to our assumptions and the factor theorem

Heading tags would also be nice (none / 0) (#67)
by SoupIsGoodFood on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 05:28:30 AM EST

So we don't have to continue with the single-level header bold hack.

[ Parent ]
I ate cock for breakfast. (1.03 / 32) (#44)
by What Good Is A 150K Salary When Living In NYC on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 06:13:23 PM EST

Yummy yum yum.


Skulls, Bullets, and Gold
Has to be hosted on K5. (none / 1) (#45)
by NoMoreNicksLeft on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 06:33:08 PM EST

Otherwise, NIWS will get a story voted up under some dupe, and switch the pictures out once it's on the front page.

If you think he can't get a story voted up, well... consider that he'd try his damnedest to not let it slip out while in voting just who he was, what he was up to, and make the thing a decent, serious story.

And if not him, someone else.

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Do not look directly into laser with remaining good eye.

One word: Goatse (3.00 / 2) (#49)
by The Diary Section on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 08:46:59 PM EST

also people would wind up stupid graphical sigs that are longer than their comments. Possibly longer than their story submissions. They have pictures at HuSi so I think thats the niche filled to be honest.
Spend 10 minutes in the company of an American and you end up feeling like a Keats or a Shelley: Thin, brilliant, suave, and desperate for industrial-scale quantities of opium.
No graphic sigs (none / 0) (#92)
by rusty on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 10:12:03 AM EST

Believe me, I share your opinion about those. That won't be happening.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Fair enough. (none / 1) (#97)
by NoMoreNicksLeft on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 12:02:09 AM EST

But alot of my material would never be voted up. It ends up going to diary, and still needs the occasional picture.

If you restrict it only to stories, it's going to make some of us feel like second-class citizens. We can't all be *cough*cheeseburgerbrown*cough [insert favorite always voted up user here], after all.

Maybe a 1 strike and you're out rule, no appeals?

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Do not look directly into laser with remaining good eye.
[ Parent ]

that sounds reasonable to me (none / 0) (#98)
by Delirium on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 03:42:52 AM EST

If by "one strike and you're out" you mean, "blatantly abuse images once, and your ability to insert images into diaries gets turned off".

[ Parent ]
addendum (none / 0) (#99)
by Delirium on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 03:43:39 AM EST

I just realized that this doesn't really solve the "keep registering accounts to post offensive diaries" problem. Perhaps restrict images in diaries to people who have had an account for [n] days and/or [x] some other statistic?

[ Parent ]
Maybe. (none / 0) (#101)
by NoMoreNicksLeft on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 04:00:50 AM EST

Or maybe don't anonymize the account. Just remove the image, never let them use it again. Abandoning and otherwise working account, just to post goatse again might be too much work. Maybe some experimenting is useful to find out how best to manage it.

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Do not look directly into laser with remaining good eye.
[ Parent ]
Yeah (none / 1) (#102)
by hulver on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 04:23:26 AM EST

It's my biggest mistake.

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HuSi!
[ Parent ]
Heh (none / 1) (#107)
by rusty on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 12:53:15 PM EST

Mine was leaving comments from dumped stories visible. That started as an accident, but people got used to it and now I can't really shut it off. So it means we can't ever actually delete anything.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Heh. (none / 1) (#110)
by NoMoreNicksLeft on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 02:47:45 PM EST

Not exactly fair, as the comments themselves weren't voted into oblivion, rusty. Even in the worst article, there's usually a gem or two in comments.

Hell, you should probably give us the option of moving a voted-down story to the diary section, articles and all.

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Do not look directly into laser with remaining good eye.
[ Parent ]

Dump to diary option (none / 0) (#112)
by wiredog on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 08:56:11 AM EST

Some of us have been asking for this for years.

Wilford Brimley scares my chickens.
Phil the Canuck

[ Parent ]
No IMG tags. (3.00 / 4) (#52)
by superawesome on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 09:53:10 PM EST

Some of us use dial-up.

That's right.

keep fighting the good fight [nt] (3.00 / 2) (#64)
by insomnyuk on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 05:05:34 AM EST



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[ Parent ]
14.4k? (3.00 / 2) (#88)
by SoupIsGoodFood on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 03:39:50 AM EST

A sane about of images was never a problem when I was on dial-up.

[ Parent ]
Typo: A sane AMOUNT of... $ (none / 0) (#91)
by SoupIsGoodFood on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 07:16:03 AM EST



[ Parent ]
I vote yes, with the following proviso: (none / 0) (#55)
by Russell Dovey on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 11:44:39 PM EST

Have a little button under the image to vote it down or up. That will take care of the TORRENT OF WANK that will no doubt flood the diary section.

You could even host the pics on K5 servers without worrying about excess bandwidth too much using this.

"Blessed are the cracked, for they let in the light." - Spike Milligan

Can someone ask Rusty to impliment (none / 0) (#61)
by Sesquipundalian on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 02:27:26 AM EST

instead of boasting? I know it's work. I know people are gonna make it itch and break. So? We'll still like it.

Plus it'll be more fun.


Did you know that gullible is not actually an english word?
You Are Insane. (2.00 / 2) (#63)
by CheeseburgerBrown on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 04:17:38 AM EST

Please, for the love of God, resume taking your meds.


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I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weeke
Kinda hypocritical... (none / 0) (#72)
by NoMoreNicksLeft on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 12:15:29 PM EST

Of a guy that includes images in his stories on husi, I'd think.

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Do not look directly into laser with remaining good eye.
[ Parent ]
Kinda Retarded... (3.00 / 4) (#75)
by CheeseburgerBrown on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 05:03:45 PM EST

Kinda hypocritical Of a guy that includes images in his stories on husi...

Why? Just because inline images are a good idea on HuSi doesn't mean they're a good idea on K5.

I also shit in a bathroom but this has no bearing on whether or not it is appropriate to shit in the living-room.

...I'd think.

We can only pray that day will come.


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I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weeke
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Parent ]
It would work: (3.00 / 5) (#68)
by SoupIsGoodFood on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 05:37:35 AM EST

  • Bring back trusted users and restric images to them.
  • Images in stories only, not comments or diaries.
  • Images are hosted on K5 only.
  • Images can't be updated once the story is submitted for voting (except by editors/admins).
  • Images go into an approval que (approved by and editor/admin) before they will be seen by users.


I'm against <img> but if we're to have it (none / 1) (#84)
by LodeRunner on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 05:28:55 PM EST

I agree with these points (except I don't have an opinion for the first one, since I don't really remember how that worked... wasn't it that only some users could zero comments, and then we had the whole "there is no K5 cabal" thing going?)

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"dude, you can't even spell your own name" -- Lode Runner
[ Parent ]

No images, please (2.33 / 3) (#70)
by minerboy on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 11:08:59 AM EST

One good sentence is worth 1000 crappy pictures. besides, there's something elegant about an all text site - Like when you look at old text books. If you do add images, please only in votable stories



This is partly a techology site. (3.00 / 3) (#89)
by SoupIsGoodFood on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 03:51:15 AM EST

And many techology articles benifit from images. Perhaps if this was just a f-1ction site, then yes. There is nothing elegant about looking at an old engineering book and discovering it has no photos or diagrams.

[ Parent ]
And yet (none / 0) (#114)
by Spendocrat on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 02:51:05 AM EST

So many of my textbooks with very few photos do a much better job teaching material than the newer texts with lots of shiny pictures.

Much of the time figures lead to an excuse for poor writing.

[ Parent ]

Hmmm (none / 1) (#71)
by jmzero on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 11:58:04 AM EST

A while ago I did a story on microcontroller programming.  It really needed some images - so I just linked in images I was hosting elsewhere.  I think that's a fairly reasonable solution.

And if every once in a while a vote-passed story would benefit from integrated pictures, then rusto can jimmy them in (as I think he's done many times in the past).  

If images are implemented - I think they can only be considered in stories.  Although "nodog.jpg" is pretty exciting and really livens up a debate.
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"Let's not stir that bag of worms." - my lovely wife

They do. (3.00 / 2) (#74)
by the77x42 on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 02:56:06 PM EST

http://ww.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/18/163324/792


"We're not here to educate. We're here to point and laugh." - creature
"You have some pretty stupid ideas." - indubitable ‮

-1 Meta (1.42 / 7) (#79)
by Big Sexxy Joe on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 03:16:34 AM EST

Almost all meta-articles should be trashed.

I'm like Jesus, only better.
Democracy Now! - your daily, uncensored, corporate-free grassroots news hour
Discourage (1) (2.50 / 6) (#80)
by Delirium on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 11:43:56 AM EST

Editorial comments should be posted as editorial.

[ Parent ]
Images? No, thanks. (2.00 / 2) (#81)
by aladino on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 01:49:27 PM EST

Being text only ensures that the users are literate
by keeping away 12-year olds and things alike.

Also, can you imagine a Lemon Juice diary with pictures?


Are you a fucking idiot? (none / 0) (#94)
by bighappyface on Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 12:45:14 AM EST

You see the trolls we get now?

You wanna give them images?

already have images on k5 (none / 0) (#95)
by tjw on Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 10:43:46 AM EST

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/5/17/105325/709

That was scary. (none / 0) (#96)
by NoMoreNicksLeft on Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 11:56:38 PM EST

Scrolling through that, these are the usernames that I recognized:

hulver
rusty
soupisgoodfood
kitten
turmeric
pyramid termite

All the rest... not even a glimmer of recognition. K5 is like some ghost town or something.

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Do not look directly into laser with remaining good eye.
[ Parent ]

That's alright. (none / 0) (#104)
by ambrosen on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 10:55:52 AM EST

I don't recognise you either.

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[ Parent ]
Really? (none / 0) (#105)
by NoMoreNicksLeft on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 11:05:35 AM EST

I thought for sure you saw through my dupe.

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Do not look directly into laser with remaining good eye.
[ Parent ]
We're like an ant colony (3.00 / 2) (#108)
by rusty on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 12:54:38 PM EST

99% population turnover every two years.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Can't you... (none / 1) (#109)
by NoMoreNicksLeft on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 01:01:05 PM EST

Block posting to stories so old? It makes me sad when I see how far downhill things have sunk...

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Do not look directly into laser with remaining good eye.
[ Parent ]
well, maybe if you didnt 'bitch slap' and ban peop (none / 1) (#116)
by hildi on Sun Mar 12, 2006 at 10:19:27 PM EST

they would stick around longer, genius

[ Parent ]
Problem with IMG tags (none / 0) (#113)
by brunes69 on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 12:23:46 PM EST

What is to stop someone from writing a decent article with an IMG tag in it, getting it posted to the front page, then re-directing the image on his server to point to goatse.cx or something?

Not to mention the potential webbugs.

---There is no Spoon---

not like we all havent seen a man's cavernous anus (none / 0) (#115)
by Cloud Cuckoo on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 12:38:21 AM EST



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