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New Feature: Diaries

By rusty in Meta
Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 08:45:04 AM EST
Tags: Kuro5hin.org (all tags)
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I've been promising this for a while, and I finally got around to implementing it. In the spirit of Advogato and Alan Cox, every K5 user now has a personal diary at their disposal. Read on for details of how it all works.


It's pretty simple, really. Over on the right, in your user box, there are two new links: "Your Diary" and "New Diary Entry". The first will take you to your personal diary page, which is just like a section, but all about you. The second will bring up the diary posting page, which is just like a normal story posting page, except you don't get to pick the section and topic (because they identify the fact that it's your diary you're posting to). Your diary page is also linked from your User Info page.

The left-hand "Section stories" bar will show the last 10 diary entries, and also has links to the main diary section page, which will list new entries chronologically, no matter who posted them.

The unique thing about diaries here, of course, is that anyone can comment on them. I think this is a useful and nifty thing, personally. Many has been the time I wanted to comment on someone's Advogato diary, but wasn't able to. YMMV. :-)

I hope you all use and enjoy them, and look for more neat stuff, as always, in the future. You may now all use this thread to request features, since I know you're going to anyway. Keep in mind that if you've requested it before, I still remember. ;-)

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New Feature: Diaries | 75 comments (75 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
cool idea! (NT) (1.16 / 6) (#1)
by Justinfinity on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 06:47:13 AM EST



-justin
Just a hint... (2.00 / 2) (#13)
by error 404 on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 09:57:35 AM EST

An easy way to follow Justin's very good etiquette request is to click the Your Comments link from time to time. That displays a list of your comments (at least the recent ones) and how many responses there have been to each. Click the ones that have responses.


..................................
Electrical banana is bound to be the very next phase
- Donovan

[ Parent ]

Most true (4.00 / 1) (#25)
by jxqvg on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 12:35:12 PM EST

Practically speaking, very few people are going to have any comments at all, let alone any single digit number that's too big to memorize. Spotting new feedback probably won't be difficult.

[sig]
[ Parent ]
Great job! (none / 0) (#26)
by jxqvg on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 12:37:18 PM EST

I like the way the diary fits into the existing framework quite well. Where I work, my managers would think that I needed a whole new database with a completely different set of features. Just goes to show what happens when non-programmers keep their noses out of implementation...

[sig]
[ Parent ]
Better Preferences (3.14 / 7) (#2)
by jitter on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 07:17:38 AM EST

It would be really cool if I could choose what sorts of things to see and change the ordering on the page (ala Slashdot boxes).

This is great! (2.40 / 5) (#3)
by aidoneus on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 07:34:59 AM EST

THis is a great idea, and I don't know why I hadn't even imagined something like this before. Kudos to Rusty for the lightning fast implementation too.

Re: This is great! (3.00 / 1) (#12)
by interiot on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 09:52:45 AM EST

I hold Rusty in the highest regard, but this is a feature he's wanted from the very beginning. (here)

    This might be totally out of left field for most of you. There's a site called Advogato that has a little thing whereby any registered user can keep and update a personal "diary." Implemented here, there'd be some kind of "Recent Diaries" box on the front page, listing recent updates. You'd also be able to search or browse users and check out their diaries. I think this is a cool feature, and I'm not above shamelessly copying it.


[ Parent ]
how does it differ from a weblog ?? (2.25 / 4) (#4)
by Peureux et anonyme on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 07:48:53 AM EST

like on your own free webpage,
or directly on editthispage.com ?

--


Comments? Ease-of-use? (4.50 / 2) (#10)
by rusty on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 09:45:06 AM EST

Yes, of course you can create the same basic thing on a free webpage, or on an editthispage weblog. No reason you shouldn't-- in fact, there are a lot of reasons to have your own site. Maybe you like creating your own layout, playing with visual possibilities.Maybe you like the interface of editthispage.com better. Whatever makes you happy, go with it.

A couple things about K5 diaries that make me happy are that it's a familiar and solid platform to use. It comes with a built in community of potential readers, if you're interested in having a somewhat public "private" life, and that everyone can comment. I expect to see some very odd threads that would never have come up in our normal story fare.

Basically, you all rock, and I'd love to know more about you. I also think it will be good for people to have a personal-control zone where they can post whatever's on their mind, even if it isn't "newsworthy" per se. Basically, a community that knows each other is a stronger community.

Of course you can do this elsewhere-- online diaries are nothing new. I think it'll be cool to see what goes on in the diaries here though. :-)

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Salon Article (3.00 / 1) (#11)
by interiot on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 09:47:33 AM EST

Salon recently had an article about Avantgo and why its diaries are nifty. Here's a link to page 2, and some exerpts:
    12 June 2000

    "I got a call from my cousin today. My grandmother died Saturday night. Life sucks. My initials are entirely appropriate right now.

    "The sky is a terribly brilliant blue today."

    "sad"


    3 July 2000

    "I've been messing around with doubleclick.net's heinous cookie system and come up with a programming problem and an anti-tracking page. I wonder what kinds of responses I'll get."

    "dmarti"


    11 July 2000

    "Today is a sad day for Debian. It is odd how you can feel you know someone as a friend, and yet have never met that person in the flesh. To our friend, who will remain unnamed for a few more days ... you shall always be remembered as a part of what some people (quite aptly, perhaps) call the most dysfunctional family there can be. We may quarrel, but we all share a passion for the cause. We shall all miss you."

    "tausq"

Mostly, I think it helps build a community.

[ Parent ]
Seems to me that the difference is that (none / 0) (#36)
by error 404 on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 04:46:00 PM EST

most personal web pages are pretty much outgoing only. Sure, sometimes somebody will add a guest book, but it isn't part of the diary.

This should be much more interactive.

Is there an option to delete an entry? Because I sometimes write things I'd rather forget about later.

..................................
Electrical banana is bound to be the very next phase
- Donovan

[ Parent ]
Re: hp is mostly outgoing (none / 0) (#45)
by esonik on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 07:31:23 PM EST

I found guestbooks a nice place to find pages of like-minded people.

Because I sometimes write things I'd rather forget about later.

I guess, no one would have more right to ask for this feature than you *g*.

[ Parent ]
Guestbooks are cool too (none / 0) (#75)
by error 404 on Wed Nov 15, 2000 at 03:36:19 PM EST

This is different.
To see the contents of a guestbook, you usualy have to go to another page. Not a big deal, but it changes the experience - what's in the guestbook doesn't feel so much like part of the page.

I like guestbooks. I like this.

..................................
Electrical banana is bound to be the very next phase
- Donovan

[ Parent ]
Content (3.50 / 2) (#5)
by x00 on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 08:16:32 AM EST

I've always kinda wanted to do a diary, preferably in a place where more than one person would see it. I've gotta ask though, does the content of the diary have to be related to here?

For example, I'm more than my technological interests :)

So what do other K5ers think?

Anything you want (4.66 / 3) (#9)
by rusty on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 09:44:19 AM EST

does the content of the diary have to be related to here?

Not at all! Post anything you want. Most (all?) of us are more than our technological interests. In my continuing campaign to express my opinion that the important thing about K5 is you, the people, I wanted there to be a place for everyone to just be themselves. Think of it as a massively distributed, ongoing "Who Are You" section. No one has to vote on your diary, it goes up however you want it to.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

? (2.57 / 7) (#6)
by FlinkDelDinky on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 08:32:41 AM EST

I don't get it. What do I put in my diary. Can other people see my diary?

If other people can see my diary I can see refering others to a diary entry in one of my posts or stories. Or maybe not.

Somebody please fill me in on what this diary is used/intended to do.

PS. As I recall, sometime before the creation of life in thhhe universe, certianly since before the darkage, the peasants and serfs have been asking for story edit. Just thought I'd mention that before I expire of olld age.

How it works... (4.00 / 4) (#8)
by rusty on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 09:34:43 AM EST

On the front page, and any section page, you'll note the new "Diaries" list. Basically, diaries work just like any other story, except they are automatically "section-only", not voted on, and only you can add entries to your diary. Anyone can read your diary, and comment on entries, like any normal story. There's no reason you can't link to diaries in stories, or vice versa. Think of it as your own little home space on K5, and feel free to post whatever's on your mind. It is intended, literally, to be your personal zone, to post to or ignore as you please.

And story editing will happen before you expire in your rocking chair, grandpa.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

D'oh! (3.60 / 5) (#7)
by end0parasite on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 09:08:58 AM EST

Why isn't there a nifty little box where you can select "HTML Formatted" or "Plain Text"? I just typed in a poem of mine, and I ended up just using <pre></pre> instead of doing all the stupid <br>'s.

Very Annoying New Feature [Slashboxes are needed] (4.42 / 14) (#14)
by Carnage4Life on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 10:08:48 AM EST

The diary entries take waaaaaaaaaaay too much space on the left hand section of the front page devoted to headlines of stories from other sections.

Frankly I am not interested in diary entries but I am interested in new stories. Having to scroll down to the very bottom of the screen to check new stories is ridiculous, also once enough people make diary entries, the left hand section may become unmanageably long.

If there was ever a reason to allow customizable front pages (a la slashboxes) this is it.



And on the right... (2.00 / 1) (#17)
by Merekat on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 10:36:21 AM EST

Way too much space on the left hand side definitely, and on the right it fills up all the older stories section to the point where you'd have to set a stupidly high number to actually see stories :-(

Otherwise, I approve:-)
---
I've always had the greatest respect for other peoples crack-pot beliefs.
- Sam the Eagle, The Muppet Show
[ Parent ]

25 max (4.66 / 3) (#18)
by rusty on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 10:39:14 AM EST

It cuts off at 25, right now. This number is tweakable, and I'm not sure what the best number is. Of course, the *best* solution is to have user-managed boxes, you're right. That's not there yet, though, so we will have to get along one way or another. Does anyone else have a suggestion? Fewer diary links? Put them at the bottom of the box? Separate box? I'm open on this-- it's an easy thing to change.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
short term, long term solutions (4.00 / 1) (#24)
by codemonkey_uk on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 12:05:02 PM EST

I would imagine that a short term (easy to implement) solution would be to have a per user preference for number of diary entrys replace the hard coded 25.

The long term (more time consuming to implement) solution is, as is suggested, a more customisable front page, a-la slashboxes.

---
Thad
"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell
[ Parent ]
Even easier solution: (2.00 / 1) (#30)
by Hillgiant on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 02:38:41 PM EST

Move the "New Diaries" section to the bottom of the list of sections. People that are interested can scroll down. People that aren't don't have too. All this requires is some <html> witchery.
Why descriminate against diary entries? Because the submission cue (sp?) is completely unmoderated. At best its a soap box for the uber-ranter. At worst its an outlet for trolls, fist prosters, and the dreaded spammer. (Note: that I fall somewhere in between, in the self gratifying exibihtionism. Just see my .sig =])


-----
"It is impossible to say what I mean." -johnny
[ Parent ]

move to bottom (2.50 / 2) (#32)
by eries on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 03:22:01 PM EST

just move it to the bottom of the sections box. easy enough, right?
Promoting open-source OO code reuse on the web: the Enzyme open-source project
[ Parent ]
More Diary Related Issues (3.66 / 3) (#35)
by Carnage4Life on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 04:37:06 PM EST

Does anyone else have a suggestion?

Yup.

Fewer diary links?

Yes please.

Put them at the bottom of the box?

Also a good idea.

Separate box? Probably not necessary.

Lastly a bug report:

When I go to the everything page at

http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=section;section=__all__

the Older Articles link in the right column shows diaries not links to older stories from the everything section and finally if the "More stories" link is clicked, it leads to a dead page.

[ Parent ]
Diary replies notification (4.00 / 7) (#15)
by Biff Cool on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 10:31:06 AM EST

Maybe they already do this, I haven't checked, but could we have a section for new comments in diary entries. That way if someone adds something to an old one it will be easily noticed.


My ass. It's code, with pictures of fish attached. Get over it. --trhurler


More general (4.00 / 1) (#23)
by codemonkey_uk on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 11:59:54 AM EST

I think this is quite a common request, and not a Diary specific one.

To be able to get a list of new, unread, comments on your stories, or hotlisted stories or replies to your comments, or hotlisted comments. This would cover the diary, as the diary is your story.

Note - I don't know if you can hotlist a comment. I don't use hotlist. Might be a good idea though...

This feature would promote deeper discussion, over longer periods of time.

Thad

---
Thad
"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell
[ Parent ]
I wrote a patch for that (2.50 / 2) (#49)
by DJBongHit on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 08:22:50 PM EST

I think this is quite a common request, and not a Diary specific one.

Yeah, I wrote a patch for that awhile back and emailed it to hurstdog, but he never got it, and by the time I got around to sending it to him again, the CVS code had changed enough that the patch was no longer valid. I might redo it again at some point.

~DJBongHit

--
GNU GPL: Free as in herpes.

[ Parent ]
livejournal (2.75 / 4) (#16)
by Pyro P on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 10:36:16 AM EST

So, this is the same thing as livejournal, except not, right?

Yup (3.00 / 1) (#20)
by rusty on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 10:43:35 AM EST

Maybe I should have clarified... "New" meant "New here", not "I'm deluded and I thought I invented the idea." :-)

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
You just took the initiative in creating it, yes? (4.33 / 3) (#21)
by Paul Crowley on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 10:53:18 AM EST

Of course you didn't invent this feature, you just took the initiative in Scoop in creating it :-)
--
Paul Crowley aka ciphergoth. Crypto and sex politics. Diary.
[ Parent ]
Lol :-) (NT) (2.00 / 2) (#73)
by rusty on Tue Nov 14, 2000 at 03:43:23 PM EST



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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
amusing bug (3.66 / 6) (#19)
by Pyro P on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 10:42:34 AM EST

At the bottom of the page that comes up when you post a story:

Submit New Story
Thank you for your submission. This is a community-edited site, so hopefully your fellow readers will see fit to post your story. Good Luck!

The site seems to think my diary entry was a story. Gee, i sure hope people aren't voting on what i can put in my diary :P

Exhibitionistic (1.87 / 8) (#22)
by Nickus on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 11:10:22 AM EST

Ahh.. so now it isn't enough that we have to comment on the articles. Personally I couldn't care less what my fellow k5 readers do during their days and their lifes and their projects. People should focus on creating better articles instead of writing abouth some (probably) pathetic life.


Due to budget cuts, light at end of tunnel will be out. --Unknown
This could help (4.00 / 1) (#27)
by Biff Cool on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 12:46:25 PM EST

Now if someone has some stuff they want to get off of their chest they just make a diary entry, it doesn't go thru the queue, it isn't that visible and they still get it posted and commented on. And as story moderators we get a new gripe to go along with "should be X (-1)", now we can say "should be diary (-1)".

My ass. It's code, with pictures of fish attached. Get over it. --trhurler


[ Parent ]
Great idea... suggestion for improvement (3.87 / 8) (#28)
by tzanger on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 01:42:57 PM EST

As the subject says, this is a great idea. However I believe it'd be even better if the user could configure it so that if you wanted to read their diary you could shoot them off to the person's own web diary. I know a great many people who have web diaries and wouldn't use the K5 one since they already have their own.

This raises issues of people linking to malicious code but I am fairly certain that if you surrounded the link with a little yellow box saying "LINK TO EXTERNAL URL" it'd be "fair game" after that.



Another amusing quirk (2.50 / 2) (#29)
by jxqvg on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 02:20:53 PM EST

Want to know if someone's a moron? Select anyone's diary entry, and under related links, select "More on". ;)

[sig]
advogato-like uri masking (i think) (4.00 / 7) (#31)
by mike on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 03:09:24 PM EST

Now, if we could only get advogato-like uri masking (if that's what it's really called) so you could access, for instance, your diary by kuro5hin.org/diary/<username>. That would be awesome, and from what i understand, is rather easy to configure.
. . . . . . . . . . . . .
mike
Mod_Rewrite would be the chap (none / 0) (#71)
by titus-g on Tue Nov 14, 2000 at 06:54:56 AM EST

There was an article on it here, and the apache docs are at http://127.0.0.1/manual/mod/mod_rewrite.html if you have it installed and not moved the docs.

http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory&sid=2000/10/22/18405/253

is the article, used it on a few of my sites, pretty easy to use and a lot of fun.

--"Essentially madness is like charity, it begins at home" --
[ Parent ]

nice addition (2.00 / 1) (#33)
by macewan on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 04:19:24 PM EST

comments on someone elses dairy? interesting idea
macewan
Suggestion (3.00 / 2) (#34)
by h0tr0d on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 04:26:02 PM EST

Maybe this has already been suggested but I think that it would be cool to be able to scroll through a persons journal entry by entry. You know, just like you can stories. So when you're reading a journal entry instead of the links at the bottom being to the previous/next story they would be to the previous/next diary entry for that person.

Just a thought.

BTW - Thanks Rusty. I think this will be cool. I especially like the fact that I can have a poll with each diary entry if I so choose.

-- It appears that my spleeing chucker isn't working again.

You can? (none / 0) (#38)
by interiot on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 05:01:40 PM EST

You can... do a User Search for the person's name, and there's a new "View xxxx's diary" link.

[ Parent ]
Not quite what I was thinking. (3.00 / 1) (#41)
by h0tr0d on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 05:15:29 PM EST

What I was actually getting at is being able to go from one entry to the next from the entry that I'm currently on. Example: Say you had three entries (pages). I am currently reading page two. It would be nice to have direct links at the bottom of this page that would take me to either page one or page three. That way if there are entries that really make more sense when read chronologically it is very easy for me to do this. I, personally, am too lazy to have to go back to the view xyz's diary from every page just to get to the next or previous page.

Now I don't know if this is feasible from Rusty's perspective or not. It's not that big of a deal, just a convenience thing that might also promote more reading once started.

-- It appears that my spleeing chucker isn't working again.
[ Parent ]

If (3.50 / 4) (#37)
by aphrael on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 04:52:52 PM EST

If we're trying to build a community here --- and I think that's the goal --- this is an *incredible* idea. Thank you! :)

My Diary Experience. (3.75 / 4) (#39)
by Denor on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 05:05:11 PM EST

I like it.

Here's some background: Usually, I go to Slashdot and read all the stories, then go to K5 and catch up on any threads/stories that have been changed/posted. Then I go back to Slashdot because chances are good that it's changed in the time it took me to read K5. This website tends to update more slowly, and while I realize that this is a feature and not a bug, I like the site enough to want more of it.

Then I got online this morning and saw the diaries. Literally dozens of stories for me to read! I've spent no less than three hours on and off reloading K5 to see the newest ones and comment on them. I've posted over 20 comments today alone, just talking to people in diaries.

I certainly hope this trend continues - I rather like commenting on non-mainstream K5 stuff while still keeping the K5 community around.


-Denor


Diaries Are Not Stories (4.12 / 8) (#40)
by Carnage4Life on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 05:06:27 PM EST

I know this may be more difficult to code but I think treating diaries as stories is a mistake. I just clicked on a "view stories by this reader" link and half of the results were diary entries. I don't think it is wise to mix diaries and story submissions because they are seperate logical entities even if they are implemented in the same way in the code.

The same way there links for the users are seperated into "Comments", "Stories" and "Diary" should be the same way it is seperated for people who want to view the user's information.



Good point (3.00 / 2) (#58)
by hurstdog on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 11:41:23 PM EST

And I don't think its relatively hard to code either. Its a small modification to the search stuff. As diaries are band-spanking-new here (or at least new), then there will be a period of adjustment, as we work out all of the bugs. But I think you have a good point. I'll see about adding a 'diary' option to the search, or at least being able to choose between 'diary' or 'stories' or 'both' when you do a search by author.

[ Parent ]
Ouch! Portal plague! (2.33 / 3) (#42)
by WWWWolf on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 05:22:40 PM EST

So K5 has caught the Portal Plague and is slowly becoming bigger and meaner, while forgetting that the point of its very existence was to serve news and discussions and stuff... oh, excuse me, K5 was supposed to be a portal. Never mind then... =)

The only problem I personally see is that I already have two public diaries - one in MoreOrLessAll2 and one in dh' ol' Avo-Cado. And I already have deep trouble in finding enough stuff to write about to Advogato diary... Mostly because I really don't code that much. One is enough for me. Don't count on seeing much of my diary here. But then again, as the old saying goes, "the victory of the war doesn't depend on that single man"... =)

I just hope this idea won't go "mainstream". I promise I'll go to a monastery for some time to relieve stress when Yahoo! Diaries™ (http://diary.yahoo.com/) opens... =)

-- Weyfour WWWWolf, a lupine technomancer from the cold north...


Future enhancements to k5 (none / 0) (#64)
by skim123 on Tue Nov 14, 2000 at 03:46:37 AM EST

So K5 has caught the Portal Plague and is slowly becoming bigger and meaner, while forgetting that the point of its very existence was to serve news and discussions and stuff... oh, excuse me, K5 was supposed to be a portal. Never mind then...

Coming soon to Kuro5hin.org:

  • Stock quotes
  • Calendar
  • Free email account
  • Chat
  • Personals/Classifieds
  • Weather information

Money is in some respects like fire; it is a very excellent servant but a terrible master.
PT Barnum


[ Parent ]
Re: Future enhancements to k5 (none / 0) (#70)
by WWWWolf on Tue Nov 14, 2000 at 05:33:07 AM EST

From your list, we already have a chat... =)

-- Weyfour WWWWolf, a lupine technomancer from the cold north...


[ Parent ]
Turn it off? (2.80 / 5) (#43)
by EchoFive on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 05:49:17 PM EST

How about an option to show the news items above the diaries? And another option that doesn't show the diaries at all? I myself find no interest in reading about every time J. Random User goes to the bathroom.


I am Swede. Hear me bork! (Not.)
Suggestions, etc. (3.00 / 3) (#44)
by whatnotever on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 06:17:35 PM EST

Two things:

1) What if I specifically don't want replies to one or all of my entries?
2) Damn! I forget number 2!

Well, I suppose that this is just a "perk," and so you shouldn't be throwing too many features into it...

And I agree with lots of what other people have said. :-)

Ooh, ooh, ooh! I remember number two! (none / 0) (#55)
by whatnotever on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 10:00:09 PM EST

I'm sorry that that had to rhyme...

2) It would be very nice to be able to delete one's own diary entries...

I see a somewhat common theme in this discussion is "personal control over entries." Be it deleting, or having for one's self on one's own machine, etc...

Well, I guess it's really just a nice toy, nothing serious... And I think it's fine that way.

[ Parent ]
A unique personal addition to kuro5hin! (2.25 / 4) (#46)
by sl4ck0ff on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 07:33:28 PM EST

This extention of kuro5hin provides the community with a new spirit. I am proud to be part of a community that celebrates each individual as an equal. I know I will enjoy this creative new feature that slashdot does not provide.
/me has returned to slacking
You know... (2.20 / 5) (#47)
by Girf on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 07:40:03 PM EST

If Microsoft had of tried to put this feature in Hotmail, or any one of there 'free' services, there would have be a outcrying of how awful this was and Microsoft is simiply trying to get people to share with them their inmost sercets, and that the Evil Corp was trying to further brainwash the people of this world. If it doesn't come from k5, it must definitily would be coming from the other site.

There is the possiblity that at any moment rusty could take these glorified .plan files offline and take them from us forever. Now, it's not likely to happen, as rusty we beleive is a good person, with good intentions.

I still don't like it though, not some much because of the security of the data, but that I don't have the data, these personal ramblings, on my box. For some reason if k5 was cracked and rm-rfed, or if I was denied a Internet connection, or if rusty was denied a Internet connection, I have no way of accessing them, they are gone forever.

I feel that my data should be on my server, I don't have a problem with other people accessing it, but I want to physically have my data.



Slight bug, maybe? (3.00 / 1) (#48)
by AdamJ on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 07:48:03 PM EST

I'm not sure if this is a bug or a feature, but if you try to compose a message with a Anchor link that does not have quotes around the URL, it turns the first less than sign into the HTML code for it, thus breaking all your links.

Is this to force proper HTML conformity, or a legit bug?

AFAIK (3.00 / 1) (#52)
by needless on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 09:46:36 PM EST

You have to put quotes around a url in an anchor tag for it to show up correctly in any browser. If that's what you're talking about.



[ Parent ]
Not true. (4.00 / 1) (#56)
by Speare on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 10:55:47 PM EST

Just as with any name=value pair in any kind of tag, standard HTML can cope without quotes, so long as you don't have any whitespace or greater-than symbols in the value. Browsers deal with this easily.

[tag foo=bar baz=blah]
is the same as
[tag foo="bar" baz="blah"]

The [a href=url] syntax is not magically unique, it's just a name=value pair in the [a] tag.


[ e d @ h a l l e y . c c ]
[ Parent ]
I stand corrected (3.00 / 1) (#57)
by needless on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 11:23:56 PM EST

Guess you're right, I'd never really tried it before. I'm one of those crazy people that follows standards and closes P and LI tags. Guess I'm just anal...

Nonetheless, it's still pretty bad practice not to quote urls, IMHO. I quote any textual attribute. I don't quote numbers though, so I guess I'm a hypocrite ; ).



[ Parent ]
Following standards (3.00 / 1) (#72)
by Aquarius on Tue Nov 14, 2000 at 07:16:54 AM EST

Note, that, were I the pedantic sort, I'd point out that the </LI> tag is optional, according to the W3C HTML4 specification, but I'm not, so I won't :-)

Personally, I find that </LI> tags annoy me immensely; the W3C themselves don't use them in examples...

Aq.

"The grand plan that is Aquarius proceeds apace" -- Ronin, Frank Miller
[ Parent ]
i think it's a "feature" (2.00 / 1) (#53)
by enterfornone on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 09:52:20 PM EST

She idea is to only allow certain tags (since you don't want people using <script> for example. Since without quotes it is invalid html it translates it to text.

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[ Parent ]
How do I get the diaries off the front page? (1.80 / 5) (#50)
by KindBud on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 08:28:02 PM EST

I have zero interest in making or reading diary entries. How do I remove the diaries from my front page?

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diaries vs. finger (3.66 / 6) (#51)
by SEAL on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 08:33:32 PM EST

First of all - to Rusty - I think it's great to see more features on K5 that foster the sort of community I used to see back in the days when everyone was logged in on their Unix shell account. Of course, on that note, I have a feature request :-)

It would be very nice if we could point our diaries to an account which already has fingerd enabled. That way, I only have to update my .plan file, and anyone browsing my diary would see its contents. I'm lazy enough about updating my info in a single place, let alone 2 (3 if I fall into the Advogato pit). And for the paranoid - no one would have to see which account K5 is fingering. That could be part of the user preferences that is hidden to the world.

Best regards,

SEAL



It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything.
More HTML options? (3.50 / 2) (#54)
by needless on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 09:58:29 PM EST

I dunno, I just figure since our diary is our personal bit that no one is subjected to reading unless they really want to, that maybe we could have a little more control over the presentation. Now, stuff like javascript would be useless, but access to more of just straight html tags would be nice. Maybe tables, possibly images (I can see where that could get out of hand), and maybe the ability to use style attributes in the allowed tags.

I know this isn't that significant, just an idea.



Pictures (2.00 / 1) (#60)
by blp on Tue Nov 14, 2000 at 12:19:08 AM EST

maybe you could link to pictures hosted elsewere, but allowing that could end up with lots of bad links. Which is not intirely a problem unless the entry is discusing the picture.

I can no longer sit back and allow: Communist Infiltration, Communist Indoctrination, Communist Subversion and the International Communist Conspiracy to sap and inpurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
[ Parent ]

Syndicate Advogato (3.50 / 2) (#59)
by Waldo on Tue Nov 14, 2000 at 12:11:20 AM EST

This is a cool feature, but it's a bummer that it requires that people maintain 2 diaries. I just finally got up the energy to maintain a diary on Advogato and on my own site. I'm not about to maintain a third.

Why not permit syndication of one's diary from Advogato? At least from the Advogato side of things, I'm not aware of any limitations that would make that difficult. I wouldn't be surprised if there's already a method of exporting diaries via XML over there.

I'd love for k5 users to be able to see my entries on k5, and I'd like Advogato users to be able to see my entries on Advogato. So why not do both in one fell swoop?

I like it, but... (3.25 / 4) (#61)
by DeepDarkSky on Tue Nov 14, 2000 at 12:46:24 AM EST

diaries should be more like comments in format. Meaning, there shouldn't be intro and detail sections. The other thing I never see is the ability to go back and edit (like Advogato). It being not a story, I think being able to edit it should be considered.

Adding on to Diaries (2.75 / 4) (#62)
by irksome on Tue Nov 14, 2000 at 01:20:54 AM EST

Is there any way to add to a diary, rather than post a new one? I just posted a new one, because I didn't see any easy way to expand the first one. I suppose I probably could have used comments, but it seemed (I don't know why, just a gut feeling) like that would have been the wrong thing to do given the circumstances.


I think I am, therefore I'm not.
post a comment (none / 0) (#69)
by codemonkey_uk on Tue Nov 14, 2000 at 05:33:05 AM EST

The subject says it all.
You *can* add to a diary entry ... by posting a comment to it!
---
Thad
"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell
[ Parent ]
hey this diary thing is fun (1.00 / 3) (#63)
by DeepDarkSky on Tue Nov 14, 2000 at 01:28:10 AM EST

...

Urg... (3.00 / 1) (#65)
by skim123 on Tue Nov 14, 2000 at 03:52:34 AM EST

Diaries == neat, but Email Responses to a user's posted messages == useful and will help facilitate discussion. Don't mean to sound like flaimbait, just hoping to see you tackle the email notification thing next! :-)

Money is in some respects like fire; it is a very excellent servant but a terrible master.
PT Barnum


That's going to be fun! (4.00 / 1) (#66)
by Majamba on Tue Nov 14, 2000 at 04:58:27 AM EST

I'm thinking for quite a while to write a diary on the web. But I never did it because I was too foolish to set up my own and I didn't want to use a diary only website (only writing diary entries is boring).

It's going to be interesting if this is going to change the way of discussions on kuro5hin:

  • Discuss about some highly technical things.
  • Peek into the private lives of those you are arguing with.
  • Continue your discussion.
  • But be prepared: There are no rules for my diary so don't wonder to find a lot of entries in German ;-))



    drop.org has (and already had) it too (1.00 / 2) (#67)
    by Dries on Tue Nov 14, 2000 at 05:05:08 AM EST

    Hey, we have it at <A HREF="http://drop.org/">drop.org</A> as well, so it should really be:

    In the spirit of <A HREF="http://www.advogato.net/">Advogato</A>, <A HREF="http://drop.org/">drop.org</A> and <A HREF="http://www.linux.org.uk/diary/">Alan Cox</A>, every K5 user ...

    -- Dries Buytaert
    -- Dries
    drop.org has (and already had) it too (3.25 / 4) (#68)
    by Dries on Tue Nov 14, 2000 at 05:05:57 AM EST

    Hey, we have it at drop.org as well, so it should really be:

    In the spirit of Advogato, drop.org and Alan Cox, every K5 user ...

    -- Dries

    PS: Sorry for posting my previous post in plain text.
    -- Dries

    This is great! (3.00 / 1) (#74)
    by error 404 on Wed Nov 15, 2000 at 12:30:13 PM EST

    I didn't think it would be worthwhile, but I'm enjoying the entries.

    This brings a rather scary level of intimacy to what was a rather cool and professional community. Some people are opening up more than I expected. The change may be bigger than Rusty thought. But the results could be very, very good.

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