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Remove diaries from general story search?

By fluffy grue in Meta
Wed Nov 29, 2000 at 02:17:50 PM EST
Tags: Kuro5hin.org (all tags)

Today I was trying to find an article. It was an article which was up less than a week ago. I figured it'd be easy to find it. Boy was I wrong - diaries.

I couldn't just browse through past stories on the search engine. Dozens of diaries for every single story. I couldn't just search based on keywords, since it seemed that every keyword relating to this story showed up in a billion (plus or minus 9e8) diary entries, all of which were posted after the story in question, making it impossible (well, difficult anyway) to find the story. And I couldn't remember which section the actual story was posted to - finally I ended up doing a topic search on every topic until I found this story.

And that was just for a recent story - imagine trying to find a story from a month ago. Or two months ago. And when K5 is over a year old, trying to find a story from over a year ago will be VERY hard.

Diaries don't show up in the next/previous story links or on the 'everything' pseudosection - so why do they show up in the search engine? I should have to specify searching on diaries just like I have to specify browsing them, no?

(Oh, and while we're at it, should all polls have a default, ninth 'Inoshiro' option? All those Inoshiros really add up over time...)


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o What are diaries? 2%
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Remove diaries from general story search? | 24 comments (9 topical, 15 editorial, 0 hidden)
Search by Section (3.33 / 6) (#1)
by Delirium on Wed Nov 29, 2000 at 03:00:08 AM EST

Diaries are all clearly put into a "User Diary" section, so it seems that if the search page let you choose which sections to search (and thus which to exclude from the search) you could just uncheck the "User Diary" section from the search list and eliminate this problem.

i think the point is.. (4.20 / 5) (#4)
by enterfornone on Wed Nov 29, 2000 at 03:19:41 AM EST

click on your diary, you get your diary entries. click on your stories, you get your diary entries + your stories. there is no way to get just stories.

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no matter (2.71 / 7) (#5)
by h2odragon on Wed Nov 29, 2000 at 03:29:16 AM EST

What're you doing searching for past stories? Once they roll off the front page, they no longer matter even if they do technically still exist.

...no, I'm not serious; this was supposed to be amusing sarcasm.

I look them up all the time (3.00 / 1) (#6)
by jesterzog on Wed Nov 29, 2000 at 05:00:06 AM EST

As in the subject line, I look up old stories all the time. Usually so I can link back to them for referring people to them from comments I'm posting, but often also if I just want to refresh my memory about what was said.

I agree about the diary dilution thing being a problem and I was on the edge of emailing rusty about it before this was posted. It's getting harder and harder to find the main posted stories with all the diary entries popping up.

jesterzog Fight the light

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Fluffy: Yes they do. (3.00 / 3) (#8)
by pb on Wed Nov 29, 2000 at 05:46:40 AM EST

All the "Inoshiro" options do in fact add up over time.

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goodness (none / 0) (#10)
by codemonkey_uk on Wed Nov 29, 2000 at 06:19:50 AM EST

This is a joke? Right?

Satire? Or fact?

Thats the thing, this *could* be true. I get the feeling its not, but, could someone confirm it...

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell
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Don't panic :) (3.66 / 3) (#14)
by Denor on Wed Nov 29, 2000 at 10:19:43 AM EST

As the author of the story in question, yes, it's a joke. It's essentially the first thing that I thought of when I saw the diaries come up, and so I went with it :)


[ Parent ]
Something like this (none / 0) (#22)
by aphrael on Wed Nov 29, 2000 at 06:57:42 PM EST

appears to have been done, with the irritating result that 'more stories' under the diary listing returns *nothing* --- meaning there's no way to get to yesterday's diary entries, or even the ones you missed this morning, without hotlisting them.


See known bugs... (none / 0) (#23)
by rusty on Wed Nov 29, 2000 at 07:26:41 PM EST

In this editorial comment, I note that there are still some bugs, related to that.

FWIW, temporarily a search for Diaries with no search text will provide at least a way of going back in the list. Just hit the "Next Page" buttons to navigate backward. Fix for the box coming soon.

Not the real rusty
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