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Do we have a sense of humor?

By Denor in Meta
Thu Nov 09, 2000 at 06:12:31 PM EST
Tags: Kuro5hin.org (all tags)
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There's a lot of things that one expects when reading that other site. First posts, hot grits, beowulf clusters, and actual commentary. Here on K5, we've thankfully managed to avoid the first three.

I still read slashdot, though, and I've noticed one other thing very prevalent there that we don't exactly have a lot of - funny comments.


Okay, I admit it. I still read Slashdot. I find it a good source of quick news bits, as well as a decent amount of commentary. The interesting thing I've noticed lately is that a good amount of the upwardly-moderated comments on slashdot are humorous.

Well, they're rated that way, and I usually agree. Sometimes I call a co-worker over to laugh over a particular remark. One particular article here, however, reminded me that this is a fairly rare occurrance on K5.

This story had a great many insightful comments about why network administrators might be regarded differently than automotive mechanics. In the story, I stumbled on this comment which made me chuckle.

Underneath the comment was a small thread, debating whether or not the humor was appropriate. One respondant felt that such one-liners were the reason that s/he had left slashdot in the first place. Another person felt that K5 was becoming too serious, and that humor was needed.

So what is the consensus? Is humor welcome at K5? I've made a few comments that were of at least somewhat humorous intent (one a simple one-liner, one an attempted funny intro to a regular post) which got little reaction, but no flames either. Is this kind of comment a welcome addition to the normally 'dry' fare of K5, or a distraction that kills our S/N ratio?

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Do we have a sense of humor? | 35 comments (35 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Of course we do...kinda...sorta... (4.16 / 6) (#1)
by sugarman on Thu Nov 09, 2000 at 04:52:43 PM EST

Yes, there is a sense of humor on k5. Hoever, you usually won't find too many posts that are nothing more than a one liner or a "SATSQ" kind of remark. They might be included in a longer post, but aren't the whole reason for that post existing.

The one thing that I have noticed that is (thankfully) absent is the "fake news" posts, a ala The Onion or The Daily Show (The only American election coverage worth watching). If I want them, I know where to find them, and I don't have to deal with them cluttering up the landscape here.

Course if ya want more, just ask. I;m sure someone can oblige.
--sugarman--

First Post! (3.35 / 17) (#2)
by joeyo on Thu Nov 09, 2000 at 05:08:20 PM EST

First Post!

Oh wait, nevermind... :)

--
"Give me enough variables to work with, and I can probably do away with the notion of human free will." -- demi

two bits (2.00 / 2) (#4)
by Arkady on Thu Nov 09, 2000 at 05:12:59 PM EST

The "First Post" joke was funny; it wouldn't be funny if people did it more often, but I think this is the first joke about it I've seen, so that's cool. Besides, with Humorix' story on a First Post write campaign (as a side affect of Taco boy's get out the vote attempt) <a href="http://i-want-a-website.com/about-linux/nov00.shtml#First-Post">winning the presidency</a>, I'm already predisposed to jokes on that topic today.

Also, where on Earth is your .sig quote from? It's great, even out of context, but I _really_ want to read what it came from. It's just so odd ...

-robin

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere Anarchy is loosed upon the world.


[ Parent ]
the link (2.50 / 2) (#5)
by Arkady on Thu Nov 09, 2000 at 05:14:30 PM EST

was supposed to be to this. I got bit by the reverse of what usually hits me; I'm just completely conditioned now to select plain text from the menu that I did it wrongly. Whoops.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere Anarchy is loosed upon the world.


[ Parent ]
The elves quote (3.00 / 2) (#10)
by rusty on Thu Nov 09, 2000 at 05:37:21 PM EST

Is from here, and refers to the phrase "secret quickie-hole". I had to search for it myself, but I assumed it was a comment here and right I was. Wow. The stuff my brain comes up with surprises even me, frequently. The Brunching Shuttlecocks have caused me irreperable neurological damage, I think.

Oh yeah, another amusing thing to note is that due to .sig retroactivity, the Keebler line actually shows up in a reply to joeyo, whose comment includes, of course, the Keebler line as it's .sig. Eerie.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

my sig now includes a link (3.00 / 1) (#12)
by joeyo on Thu Nov 09, 2000 at 06:32:51 PM EST

well it should, this post should test that nicely.

btw rusty you've said quite a few sig-worthy things in your time, i wish i could find some of them...

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"Give me enough variables to work with, and I can probably do away with the notion of human free will." -- demi
[ Parent ]

Eleventh Post. (3.71 / 7) (#11)
by Devil Ducky on Thu Nov 09, 2000 at 05:38:11 PM EST

It was a comment like that that satrted the whole /. problem...

I remember it fondly
<DREAM SEQUENCE>I was carefully reading every comment on slashdot just like the good little slashbot that I was when I discovered this odd little comment that simply said "First Post." The extra irony being that it was the 37th comment on the thread. Considering how hard I laughed I posted a reply talking about how more people should be as funny as this courageous anonymous poster.</DREAM SEQUENCE>

And that's why I am responsible for the downfall of slashdot... I hope you all will forgive me.

Devil Ducky

Immune to the Forces of Duct Tape
Day trading at it's Funnest
[ Parent ]
humour section (3.75 / 4) (#3)
by enterfornone on Thu Nov 09, 2000 at 05:08:45 PM EST

I read Slashdot occasionally for the stories, trying to wade through the comments is painful.

One site I do miss tho is segfault. Since the comments were removed it hasn't been the same. Sure the naked and petrified stuff got pretty annoying, but there was a sense of community there that wasn't found on any other geek humour site out there.

It also suffers the same problems as Slashdot in regards to story submissions dissapearing into a black hole. I still drop by there occasionally as well as reading various other humour sites but none of them have the community of the old segfault.

So a question, who would like to see a humour section on kuro5hin? Or even a seperate Scoop based Humour site?

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Agree (none / 0) (#29)
by GreenEagle on Tue Nov 14, 2000 at 07:07:35 AM EST

I also used to be a Segfault regular in the "comments era". Though I didn't post naked and petrified stuff, I'm not against it either as long as it is kept in moderate quantities . Most of the poll write-ins were quite stupid but some were hilarious.

I'm sorry to see how many painfully unfunny stories get posted on segfault, maybe we do need a humour section here with _comments_. Selecting a number on a scale is _not_ feedback to the author of the story.

I admit that I'm not reading slashdot for news or discussion, I only read it for (and participate in :) ) anonymous free form thought association and funny comments.



[ Parent ]
May a thousand naked and petrified drunken dwarfs (5.00 / 1) (#32)
by Pac on Fri Nov 17, 2000 at 03:56:36 PM EST

...guard our sweet memories of old Segfault! :)

I really miss Segfault. I used to post some stories now and then, and I loved to read the comments, even the naked and petrified ones. The present feedback, a dry number, is far less useful and far, far less funny.

And surely, let us have a humour section over here!

About Segfault problems, it really was not enterely their fault. I think the site mantainers did not had the time and the resources to keep the code and the hardware up to the challenge of popularity.

Evolution doesn't take prisoners


[ Parent ]
The tone (3.00 / 7) (#6)
by reshippie on Thu Nov 09, 2000 at 05:15:24 PM EST

I think that K5 has a much different tone that Slashdot.

Here, there are no Anonymous Cowards, everyone has their name attached to their post. This, I believe, makes people think about what they're saying, and so they actually write topical, intelligent things.

Having done absolutely no research, other than scanning my memory, I'd say that the average post here, is longer than on /. Since jokes tend to be short, and here people write paragraphs, they don't come out.

There is also just size. K5 is still very small compared to /. and with that size comes a more directed response, I feel.

I'm not sure if any of this will actually make sense to somebody reading, even after previewing it, but it makes sense in my head. :)

Those who don't know me, probably shouldn't trust me. Those who do DEFINITELY shouldn't trust me. :-)

Conversation w/o comedy is BORING (3.20 / 5) (#7)
by Biff Cool on Thu Nov 09, 2000 at 05:17:21 PM EST

From the mission statement

Kuro5hin.org is a community of people who like to think.

Note a community not a townhall meeting of the internet.  People tell jokes in serious conversations, it lightens the mood, and gives everything a sense of perspective.  We aren't writing dissertations here we're just talking.

Also from the mission statement

It's also a site for people who need a laugh now and then.

P.S. In response to one of the comments the story linked to, I left "the other site" because the trolls stopped being funny


My ass. It's code, with pictures of fish attached. Get over it. --trhurler


it's only a larf (2.25 / 4) (#8)
by dreamfish on Thu Nov 09, 2000 at 05:32:24 PM EST

I don't think K5 is dry and humourless. Humour only seems more prevelent in /. comments because it stands out from the general drivel.

I hope K5 doesn't ever suffer from it's own version of gritsboy, etc.

What's the color of funny? (4.41 / 12) (#9)
by Wah on Thu Nov 09, 2000 at 05:35:58 PM EST

It would be nice if we could use a humor tag when posting. Topical, Editorial, Humor. This allows the reader to know that a joke is coming and is therefore more likely to "get" it. It would also allow for appropriate moderation, it would be moderated on its merits as a joke, not a topical comment.
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Fail to Obey?
green? (1.00 / 1) (#14)
by Arkady on Thu Nov 09, 2000 at 07:59:25 PM EST

I was going to suggest yellow, but it's traditional association with cowardice wouldn't sit well.

Actually, purple (with it's association to "purple prose") might be an entertaining choice. And it's midway between red and blue ...

I like this idea; it shouldn't be too hard to add, yes? And anyone who thinks the intellegencia should always be deathly serious could just filter it out and be happy.

-robin

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere Anarchy is loosed upon the world.


[ Parent ]
Purple? (3.00 / 1) (#16)
by fluffy grue on Thu Nov 09, 2000 at 09:28:26 PM EST

For starters, since when is humor halfway between topical and editorial?

Secondly, people are always telling me how I must be sexually-frustrated because I love purple. (I know I'm sexually-frustrated, but I don't think loving purple is the cause or the effect.) I don't think we need that (stupid) connotation that people who are writing humor are sexually-frustrated. Except Penis Bird Guy, but we already knew that.

Also, it's already hard enough for people to remember how to mark their topical/editorial posts.

I suppose people could just do something like:

<sarcasm>Oh, yeah, you trolls are so funny. I love you guys!</sarcasm> I think I'd rather shove a hamster up my ass than to listen to this crap.
<humor>Yeah, you and Rob Malda!</humor>
but that's just annoying.

It's too bad that a lot of people don't seem to have a sense of humor, and can't tell when someone's joking or not. They're just a bunch of whining losers anyway, though, so they don't matter... ;)
--
"Is not a quine" is not a quine.
I have a master's degree in science!

[ Hug Your Trikuare ]
[ Parent ]

Re: Purple? (1.00 / 1) (#17)
by Arkady on Thu Nov 09, 2000 at 09:47:09 PM EST

I just meant it was within the chunk o' spectrum we're already using, but you're right that I was unclear.

And thanks for the demonstration of a funny post within the context of a topical comment. See? It can be done. ;-)

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere Anarchy is loosed upon the world.


[ Parent ]
Some people are so mean. (none / 0) (#33)
by Empty_One on Sun Nov 19, 2000 at 02:47:57 PM EST

"They're just a bunch of whining losers anyway, though, so they don't matter..."


How dare you post this. What, do you know everyone personally, and have the knowledge it takes to make blanket statements such as this???? Jerk.

:)


--
"Barney sucks! Best Buy sucks! Sony Sucks! Microsoft sucks, Bill Gates is the anti-Christ and John Ashcroft can kiss my ass!" Wil Wheaton
[ Parent ]
I disagree. (none / 0) (#18)
by DigDug on Fri Nov 10, 2000 at 04:01:51 AM EST

I am less likely to laugh when I'm expecting a joke. Perhaps we could create a "Humor" checkbox so that people who don't like it could filter it out, but I definitely disagree with the notion of, "Get ready, here's a joke!"

Humor is best when it is unexpected. Also, a lot of the good jokes I read work by putting things in another perspective in mid-sentence.

--
Yavista - if you haven't found a nice homepage yet.

[ Parent ]

I dunno (none / 0) (#22)
by Wah on Fri Nov 10, 2000 at 01:34:49 PM EST

and my only real world example is /. I felt more "susceptible" to humor when I would notice that a comment had multiple moderations for "funny". And when you have to ask yourself whether or not someone is joking, it doesn't matter if they are you've already missed it. The humor is still unexpected, but at least you would be in the right frame of mind to recognize it for what it is. (In response to the question posed by the article, I'd have to say less than average on aggregate)
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Fail to Obey?
[ Parent ]
I agree (none / 0) (#19)
by jzuska on Fri Nov 10, 2000 at 08:00:57 AM EST

Humor comes off in many different ways. K5 is designed better than the other site and therefore more scaleable. Comments that are intentionally trolls will be moderated down. Actually why cant we post as trolls too?
-- This is not Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. -Walter (The Big Lebowski)
[ Parent ]
Laugh track? (4.50 / 2) (#20)
by davidduncanscott on Fri Nov 10, 2000 at 09:51:15 AM EST

Dear God, if I have to be told that it's a joke, than either it's not funny or I'm too old.

I am grateful, though, that we generally avoid the sort of humour that the mundanes think we have, the kind of jokes that end with things like, "...and then she says, 'ASCII!? I thought you said EBCDIC!'"

Instead I've seen, on Slashdot and elsewhere, more than a few examples of the kind of humour I would expect (well, hope for) from a crowd of generally bright, educated, and articulate people. Such folk usually are pretty funny if you get them in a room with some beer, and there's no reason they can't sparkle here as well (well, technical reasons may complicate it, since you can't cross your eyes, wave your arms, or walk like a penguin in print).

On a good day, Slashdot is a bit like hanging out in a college pub, with informative, relaxed, and often funny conversation. On a bad day, it's a frat party, with some idiot yelling "Hot grits!" and falling off the balcony.

Strive for good days. If you have a point, make it. If you can make it funny, so much the better.

[ Parent ]

inhibitions (none / 0) (#24)
by Potatoswatter on Fri Nov 10, 2000 at 08:15:56 PM EST

There's very little humor around here, period.

For me, the inspiration for a k5 comment is always intellectual. It's not that the atmosphere here is dry, it's that it's a whole bunch of people trying to make the best discussion possible on the Net. Nobody wants to make a joke because it would be against that spirit. Normally, I'm a sarcastic maniac, but on k5 I'm always stopped by at least a fraternal respect for the other people who've found this site and share its vision.

I think a humor comment-type would really lower people's inhibitions about putting comments up. If you want the regular discussion, you can turn it off. And it gets rid of the problem of moderating funny comments - is it against the intellectual spirit, a rater asks themself, to be making off-topic posts? People are more critical of themselves here.

myQuotient = myDividend/*myDivisorPtr; For multiple languages in the same function, see Upper/Mute in my diary! */;
[ Parent ]

Intimidated... (4.16 / 6) (#13)
by whatnotever on Thu Nov 09, 2000 at 07:28:00 PM EST

I'm scared to try to post humor... It feels so serious and intellectual here, and it seems that many feel that humor is irrelevant. Don't get me wrong, I *love* the intelligence of this place, but smart people like to laugh, too, right?

I posted something humorous once. It was off-topic, relating to the poll, replying to someone else's comment on the poll. It was rated 1.00. No replies, of course.

So do most people here want humor or not?

Let's pretend I'm capable of writing truly humorous comments. Should I post them?

humor for its own sake? (3.50 / 2) (#15)
by Arkady on Thu Nov 09, 2000 at 08:13:03 PM EST

I'm not certain that I'd be interested in the off-the-cuff sort of one-liner remarks that are (in my experience) the mainstay of discussion forum humor. I'll certainly admit that it can be done well, and I have seen some wonderful ones, but in general they strike me as the snide remarks tossed into serious discussion by people who don't _feel_ that they are up to contributing. That's not saying that they're not capable, but I think in general these remarks tend to come from folks who are feeling inferior.

Fortunately, the atmosphere on K5 is generally polite (though firm) and welcoming enough that I certainly hope no one is getting that attitude from it. So it's possible that it wouldn't be that way here; it's also possible that I'm completely wrong about it as well.

I like the suggestion for a comment type "Humorous", but I think we can do better. A humorous comment is best when it's _integrated_ into a topical (or editorial, I suppose) context created, not just by the posts around it, but also by the material accompanying it in its own post. Not every joke can be made as part of a comment which contributes to the discussion, but not every joke needs to be made, either. ;-)

At any rate, I think that if you think a comment (humorous or not) is an appropriate contribution, you should "publish and be damned, sir!". You'll discover what the community thinks of it, and it's general type, through the ratings and comments it receives. Don't let your perception of the community norms censor your _before_ you speak; you won't know if you're perceiving correctly and, if you are, you won't be able to bring up the issue to address it if you don't speak up.

Cheers,
-robin

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere Anarchy is loosed upon the world.


[ Parent ]
How depressing. (3.00 / 1) (#21)
by Narcischizm on Fri Nov 10, 2000 at 10:08:58 AM EST

A topic to discuss the appropriateness of humor of k5h. How about employing natural moderation, laugh if its funny, groan if its not. If I write something that I think is funny and you disagree, feel free to let me know and I won't book my dates at the Laugh Factory.

I don't know about the rest of you, but on a lot of the discussions here, the tone gets way too depressingly serious, and a chuckle could certainly lighten the load. Like someone else said, in meatspace conversation, jokes are mixed into serious talk. k5h is a community, not a think tank.

OK. (3.00 / 2) (#23)
by Phil the Canuck on Fri Nov 10, 2000 at 03:11:45 PM EST

A lawyer, a dentist and a priest walk into a bar...

...oh, never mind.

I don't see the problem with a little humour here and there. It breaks the intellectual monotony that sometimes plagues discussions. A quick laugh (or groan) helps to reset my brain, and re-focus on the more serious comments.

I didn't cut back my /. visits because of one-liners. It was more of the First-Hot-Grits-Poured-Down-Naked-and-Petrified-Natalie's-Pants-Post comments that started getting to me. That and the pre-teen angst.


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I don't think being an idiot comes with a pension plan though. Unless you're management of course. - hulver

make an effort (2.00 / 1) (#25)
by Potatoswatter on Fri Nov 10, 2000 at 08:28:47 PM EST

It seems that k5 has a relatively devoted readership. Mebbe there could be a movement to make a conscious effort to put more humor in. Put a story up (it's our prerogative) declaring the week after next to be Kuro5hin Humor Week ("K'5HuW"), and see what happens. I wonder if Rusty and the Scoop gang could put a new comment type in for the week. It would have to be different from the other types, because you wouldn't want to disallow topical or editorial responses to pointed remarks...

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No, ma'am... (2.80 / 5) (#26)
by trhurler on Fri Nov 10, 2000 at 08:36:41 PM EST

we here at k5 do not have any sense of humor of which we are aware.

--
'God dammit, your posts make me hard.' --LilDebbie

Examples... (2.00 / 1) (#27)
by interiot on Sat Nov 11, 2000 at 07:32:30 AM EST

Maybe it takes a story that can't be commented on seriously:


What do you do if someone alleges a lack of humor? Respond with intellectual discussion, of course!

Yay funny (2.50 / 2) (#28)
by duxup on Mon Nov 13, 2000 at 06:22:43 AM EST

I think it's unfortunate there's so little humor on k5. I attribute this to lack of a "funny" option. I've posted a few comments that are humorous and received a few nasty replies. I think humor is important to keep us from taking issues or ourselves too seriously.

I would agree that things modded up as funny on Slashdot tend to be predictable at best and at worst thinly valid insults rather than an attempt to lighten the mood. I think fear of the same witless humor and insults is what keeps humorous comments from getting good scores on k5. However, this should be no reason k5 can't be funny. Just because it didn't work on Slashdot doesn't mean it won't work here.

Fun is good... (2.00 / 1) (#30)
by WWWWolf on Tue Nov 14, 2000 at 09:35:28 AM EST

"If it isn't allowed to laugh in the Heaven, I don't want to go there."

- Martin Luther

When I read Slashdot, I expect to find funny comments. Sometimes it's the only reason I bother to read any of the articles there...

But yes, I have less interest in reading stuff that always tries to be serious. (Perharps this is because of overdose of certain kinds of books or something.) I need the Fun, if the article isn't otherwise interesting in itself.

I believe good balance of seriousness/non-seriousness would work. However, it'd be good if people would specifically tag their messages as "yes, we try to be funny here" - put "[humor]" to the subject or something.

Or perharps such tagging should be made at Scoop level, with "Don't show Funny messages and followups to them" in the preferences =)

-- Weyfour WWWWolf, a lupine technomancer from the cold north...


Reply Type: { Topical, Editorial, Whimsical } (3.50 / 2) (#31)
by acestus on Wed Nov 15, 2000 at 03:13:40 PM EST

Why not have a 'funny' response type, so people can auto-filter responses that they don't want. (That is, funny ones.)

Of course, that isn't my solution. I think funny responses are fine, as long as they're not the norm. Anyway, having to say it's funny defeats the whole purpose of saying it, especially given the typical hacker sense of humor.

Acestus
This is not an exit.

Humor comments =(5.00) (2.00 / 1) (#34)
by theR on Wed Nov 22, 2000 at 03:04:41 PM EST

First, let me say I am relatively new to K5. I don't remember when, exactly, I started an account, but I know it was after the site was down. I, too, still read /., but I don't post there nearly as often as I used to. Usually, the only comments I post there are ones that I think are funny.

I have sat, typing a comment, numerous times as a funny response ran through my head. But, after seeing the response on K5 to the infrequent humor (or attempts thereof), I have refrained. To me, it is unfortunate. A funny comment can help all of us have a better day. Sure, the primary reason people come here is not humor, but does that mean people should discourage it? Not in my opinion. I, for one, will gladly rate up funny comments just as I would rate up intelligent ones.

Another thing on K5, that reshippie pointed out is the length of comments here. People tend to write relatively long, involved comments here, especially when directly responding to a story. They tend to get shorter when you start getting into responses to the comments. From my short experience here, it seems to me that longer comments tend to get a more generous rating than shorter ones, and humorous comments are often short. A one-liner is, by definition, one line. It doesn't always belong in with a couple of paragraphs of commentary or editorial. People can rate comments with whatever criteria they want, including being more generous to longer comments. But my view is that a comment does not need to be long to be valid (as I go on and on and on).

I think we need to appreciate whatever humor we can get. Some might argue, that is not what K5 is for. I think we can all be sure that, no matter what happens, K5 would never turn into a humor site, and since nobody can post anonymously, I doubt it will ever get overrun by trolls. Also, looking right above my comment composition box, I see the words that ensure K5 will not become like slashdot:

Spamming is not tolerated here. Any comment may be deleted by a site admin, and all spammers will be deleted. This is fair warning.

I think it is safe to say, yes, we like humor. If you don't like humor (or it's not funny), continue to rate it down. But just because you're on K5 doesn't mean you have to be serious all the time. Humor is good, especially when it is spontaneous and unexpected.



Guilty (none / 0) (#35)
by spaceghoti on Sun Nov 26, 2000 at 05:58:44 PM EST

As one of the posters who contributed to the "should humor be tolerated on K5" thread that Denor refers to, I will re-iterate and re-affirm my stand on humor in K5. The day K5 gets too serious is the day I leave.

I'll agree that K5 tends to have a more serious flavor to it than I might expect, particularly considering the level of consideration and research that most of the regulars tend to bring to their posts. While I appreciate the seriousness with which we approach discussions, it doesn't detract from my appreciation of a well-placed one-liner or otherwise topical joke. I wouldn't care to hear a joke about the Genie granting wishes to Bill Clinton in the middle of a discussion about IPV6, but that's doesn't mean the same joke wouldn't get a chuckle out of me if posted in the Politics section (and I hadn't read the joke before).

I think that's really the key: make your jokes topical and I won't complain. Throw in jokes everywhere to show us how funny you are and I'll mod you down. I don't think a Humor section is really necessary for K5, but for those who believe that humor is inappropriate for the entire forum I really suggest you get a life. I think they made a movie about people like that: The Name of the Rose.

Incidentally, the .sig about Rusty's comment was hilarious! Bravo! Encore!



"Humor. It is a difficult concept. It is not logical." -Saavik, ST: Wrath of Khan

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