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Defining the NavBar

By driph in Meta
Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 10:51:38 AM EST
Tags: Kuro5hin.org (all tags)
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With the introduction of advertising on Kuro5hin, some of you might have noticed the blue bar containing links to several other OSDN affiliates and sites. You may be wondering how those particular sites were elected, yearning for details of the esoteric process and sleepless nights of deliberation that led to their election.

Well...er, we had to put something up there during the mockup stage.

Time for you to tell us what sites should have the honor of gracing the top of Kuro5hin.


Having just experienced a US election, we've decided that a single-choice poll might not really be the best solution.

So this is the way it's going to work...

Choose up to four sites from the following, listing them in order of preference, and submit a comment to this story with your votes. After a few days we will tally up the totals and place those with the most overall votes onto the OSDN navigation bar.

Here are the choices:
(Site descriptions from the OSDN Network Gallery)

SourceForge
A centralized place for Open Source developers to control and manage Open Source Software Development
QuestionExchange
High level technical support via an online community of over 5000 certified IT experts.
Freshmeat
The largest index of Open Source software on the Web.
Themes.Org
The largest repository of graphics, themes, and graphical design information for the X Window System
ThinkGeek
Stuff for programmers, coders, hackers, ubergeeks, and other denizens of the night
Geocrawler
Past posts from just about every Open Source mailing list, all the way back to 1985.
Linux.Com
The central Linux resource for the Open Source community.
LinuxGram
LinuxGram supplies strategic intelligence weekly to the computer industry and its customers about Linux and " the operating systems wars".
NewsForge
Open Source News from all over the world 24 hours a day.
Open Magazine
Linux and Open Source for E-Business
Slashdot
The number one discussion site for the Open Source community.

Choose wisely.

Oh, and no false accounts just to improve the odds of finding your particular favorite as a winner. Don't make Rusty angry. You wouldn't like him when he's angry.

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Defining the NavBar | 131 comments (123 topical, 8 editorial, 0 hidden)
My choices (3.40 / 5) (#1)
by fluffy grue on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:32:33 AM EST

  1. ThinkGeek
  2. NewsForge
  3. QuestionExchange
  4. Themes.Org

--
"Is not a quine" is not a quine.
I have a master's degree in science!

[ Hug Your Trikuare ]

SbooX says... (3.66 / 3) (#3)
by SbooX on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:35:30 AM EST

1. SourceForge - Obviously important
2. Freshmeat - ditto
3. Themes.org - Cause I like it better than all the other sites.
4. ThinkGeek - I figure it would be wise to have a link to something that sells an actual service.

Strongly recommend against /. Its just kinda weird to link to who is precieved to be your biggest competition.

Also just wanted to say that this is real cool. Hope this proves that K5 is not dead, the users still own the site... not OSDN.

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god is silly. MGL 272:36

slashdot ?!? (4.50 / 2) (#25)
by supine on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:36:38 AM EST

Strongly recommend against /. Its just kinda weird to link to who is precieved to be your biggest competition.

did i miss something here? did kuro5hin declare war on slashdot while i wasn't looking?

dude, get a grip. there is *no* competition between the sites.

My vote?

Chuck them in a perl (s/perl/<your favourite language here>/) script that randomly (or rotationally) selects 4 of them.

my 2 cents
marty


--
"No GUI for you! Use lynx!!!, Come back, One year!" -- /avant
[ Parent ]
ummm... (3.00 / 1) (#33)
by SbooX on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 02:25:22 AM EST

perceived would seem to be the key word in my post (which I misspelled, sorry about that). I don't think that K5 and /. are on the same level. They do share much of the same audience however, and to the outsider K5 can (and often does) seem a lot like K5.

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god is silly. MGL 272:36
[ Parent ]

errrr.. (2.00 / 1) (#44)
by SbooX on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 04:31:23 AM EST

They do share much of the same audience however, and to the outsider K5 can (and often does) seem a lot like K5.

That should read:

They do share much of the same audience however, and to the outsider K5 can (and often does) seem a lot like /..

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god is silly. MGL 272:36
[ Parent ]

K5 != /. (4.00 / 1) (#47)
by supine on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 06:01:08 AM EST

perceived would seem to be the key word in my post (which I misspelled, sorry about that). I don't think that K5 and /. are on the same level. They do share much of the same audience however, and to the outsider K5 can (and often does) seem a lot like /.

I disagree. Though they might look the same on a very superficial level, they are very different in a number of critical ways (kind of content, whose in control of it, type of people who hang around, quality of discussions) which shapes them into very different beasts.

having said that, i fail to see the "competition" you were alluding to in your original post. people don't stop reading /. because of K5. they can read both sites if they like.

if they do stop reading /. then it is probably because they can't handle the trolls or having every single one of their submissions knocked back or they just don't want another jon katz article on a screen within a 10ft radius of them.

just another 2 cents
marty


--
"No GUI for you! Use lynx!!!, Come back, One year!" -- /avant
[ Parent ]
Here's my $.02 (3.40 / 5) (#4)
by Greggbert on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:36:48 AM EST

1. ThinkGeek
2. Freshmeat
3. NewsForge
4. SourceForge

If you don't understand anything that I have posted, please accept that I ate paste as a small child...
not much of a choice (4.00 / 5) (#5)
by enterfornone on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:39:25 AM EST

Not much of a choice is it, I mean we get a bunch of Linux sites plus the site we came here to escape from. Personally I use Linux and go to a lot of these sites quite a bit, but I'm sure many here are less interested in these links. Hopefully VA will aquire some more general sites to give us a better choice.


My choices

Slashdot - yeah it sux, but it probably has the widest appeal out of all of these.

ThinkGeek - cos they have lots of cool stuff which probably appeals to more than just the open source/Linux crowd

Themes.org - cos Greg would be mad if I didn't say that

Freshmeat - cos I was asked for 4, and it's the only other one I visit semi-regularly



--
efn 26/m/syd
Will sponsor new accounts for porn.
My choices (3.66 / 6) (#6)
by puzzlingevidence on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:40:20 AM EST

ThinkGeek QuestionExchange and I'd rather not see any of the others, thanks.

---
A man may build a throne of bayonets, but he can not sit on it. --Inge

My choices (4.90 / 20) (#7)
by mihalis on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:40:49 AM EST

None!

Down wih the Nav Bar!

Seriously. It's up there nestling _above_ the adverts, which to me (subconsiously) means it's definitely not part of the page and is trying to insinuate itself into my browsers custom toolbar. Well that might be ok if there was real choice. As it is the only OSDN sites I want to look at regularly are Slashdot, K5 and SourceForge, and they are already there along with some sites NOT owned by OSDN, so it's an unpleasant feeling each time I try to slide my eyes up to my toolbar and have to skip over this totally redundant carbuncle on the face of such a (formerly) elegant site.

Boo! Hiss!

Ok, yes, I need sleep!
-- Chris Morgan <see em at mihalis dot net>

further thoughts (none / 0) (#66)
by mihalis on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 11:17:16 AM EST

My previous post above seems very hostile to OSDN. Actually I don't feel that way. I don't like K5 merging into OSDN too much as I want to feel that K5 is independent, so with my K5 hat on I shouted boo, hiss.

However I quite like many of the OSDN sites, and in fact I just clicked on a K5 ad which said "the kernel is coming" which took me to OSDN.com which I must admit I hadn't seen before (perhaps I took a look at Andover when they bought slashdot ages ago) - I was impressed. I still don't want the nav bar though!
-- Chris Morgan <see em at mihalis dot net>
[ Parent ]

Not down, to the left! (none / 0) (#97)
by Misagon on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 05:50:43 PM EST

I would like the ad bar to be as small as possible. Why not move the OSDN links to the left or the right of the image and remove the gray border.

Also, why? Does OSDN require links there? I would much rather like each user to have a box/bar with his/her own links. Then the default set for nonlogged-in users could be composed of the urls to most linked-to sites.
--
Don't Allow Yourself To Be Programmed!
[ Parent ]

My choices (3.40 / 5) (#8)
by edibiase on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:44:18 AM EST

  1. Geocrawler
  2. SourceForge
  3. ThinkGeek
  4. QuestionExchange

Although, as others have said, I'd rather not have the "NavBar" at all.

Choices (3.40 / 5) (#9)
by tripwyre on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:45:58 AM EST

1. SourceForge
2. ThinkGeek
3. Freshmeat
4. NewsForge

Jonathan Groth

Make them options in our User Preferences (4.64 / 14) (#10)
by Seumas on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:46:05 AM EST

Since we're going out of our way to make things as customizable as possible here (right down to the advertisements), why not allow registered users who are logged in to choose which four (or more?) they'd like to have on their navbar. Require a minimum of four and set a default group, but allow me to go through my User Preferences and put checkmarks next to the OSDN affiliates I'd like to have on my own bar. Then I can even change them as my tastes and needs shift.
--
I just read K5 for the articles.
Choices, plus request (3.87 / 8) (#11)
by baberg on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:46:30 AM EST

First off:
  • Thinkgeek
  • Slashdot
  • Freshmeat
  • Sourceforge

Secondly, is there anything that can be done about the position of the bar, or is that determined by OSDN? In short: would it be possible to move the blue bar (which is a good color for K5, btw) down BENEATH the advert? In other words:

Top of page = advert.
Beneath advert = NavBar.
Beneath NavBar = K5.

Would that minor detail change be allowed by the OSDN Deities, or is the location of the NavBar a static const variable?

My choices (3.66 / 3) (#13)
by MrSpey on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:50:17 AM EST

I most want to see thinkgeek, because I like to hit it every few days or so. After that, slashdot would be nice, but it's bookmarked on all my browsers so it wouldn't really benefit me too much. And I don't care about any of the other ones.

Mr. Spey
Cover your butt. Bernard is watching.

Guess what? My vote: (3.40 / 5) (#14)
by xriso on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:56:25 AM EST

Sourceforge
Freshmeat
Thinkgeek
Themes.org

And I don't care whether it's there or not.
--
*** Quits: xriso:#kuro5hin (Forever)

Just one thing... (4.16 / 12) (#15)
by SuperGoth on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:57:03 AM EST

What if we're not a fan of any of these sites? I'm not a Linux user, I'm not a fan of open source the way that it's implemented - are there any other choices, maybe? I mean, we're not all *nix crazy here. ;)

Interesting pic of Rusty, btw.

selection (none / 0) (#20)
by driph on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:11:00 AM EST

Yeah, I'm not much of a *nix user myself, but the options are limited to the osdn affiliate list...

--
Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]
what????? (3.50 / 2) (#59)
by eMBee on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 09:42:05 AM EST

why exactly is that?
we are not allowed to link to any sites we please?

so kuro5hin has sold out after all, has it?

well, i don't want a topbar at all, anyhow.

if the OSDN is not paying for the topbar, then they should have no say in what happens to it.
if they are paying for it, then it's part of the advertisement and should be visible as such.
i hate nothing more then advertising that pretends not to be advertising.

don't missunderstand, i don't dislike OSDN. i read slashdot as often as kuro5hin (more often even). but things that are seperate should be kept seperate.

greetings, eMBee.
--
Gnu is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX
[ Parent ]

Losing perspective (4.00 / 1) (#69)
by Jim Dabell on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 11:36:59 AM EST

we are not allowed to link to any sites we please?

Of course you are. here. Non-OSDN-approved.

so kuro5hin has sold out after all, has it?

How have they sold out? By renting a bit of space at the top and bottom of each page? Talk about making mountains out of molehills. Are you coming here because the pages look pretty, or because of the content? Because the adverts aren't changing the content.

if the OSDN is not paying for the topbar, then they should have no say in what happens to it.

Fair enough. But I wouldn't have thought that it would just be put in for the hell of it.

if they are paying for it, then it's part of the advertisement and should be visible as such.

And you think that "MyOSDN" and all the other OSDN sites along the top aren't an indication of that?

i hate nothing more then advertising that pretends not to be advertising.

Don't get me wrong, I hate things like adverts that pretend to be popup windows as much as anybody, but this is nothing like that at all. OSDN are paying for the top and bottom of each page. They want links to their other sites there. Is that so bad? Get a little perspective.



[ Parent ]
the right perspecitve (4.00 / 1) (#105)
by eMBee on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 08:11:12 PM EST

And you think that "MyOSDN" and all the other OSDN sites along the top aren't an indication of that?

no, on the contrary, they make kuro5hin look like being part of the OSDN network. the visitor who sees the bar does not know that this is an advertisment, because he/she has no idea about the real relationship to OSDN.

look at these examples to see what i mean.

greetings, eMBee.
--
Gnu is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX
[ Parent ]

I like it. (4.00 / 1) (#111)
by nstenz on Mon Jan 22, 2001 at 12:18:46 AM EST

I vote for examples 3 and 4 on that page. Oh, and as someone suggested above, a random Perl script would do just fine.

[ Parent ]
Nice (4.00 / 1) (#122)
by Jim Dabell on Mon Jan 22, 2001 at 02:22:25 PM EST

I like the third example. I see what you mean about K5 being mistaken for part of the OSDN network now. But I still think that it all looks like an advert for OSDN more than anything else :)



[ Parent ]
We don't need no stinkin chads. (3.75 / 8) (#16)
by CheSera on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:58:01 AM EST

1) freshmeat.net 2) themes.org 3) thinkgeek.com 4) slashdot.org


============
**TATDOMAW**
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My votes: (3.40 / 5) (#17)
by Gabey on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:58:17 AM EST

1. Slashdot
2. SourceForge
3. ThinkGeek
4. Open Magazine (one of the very few magazines that I get and actually read!)

-Gabe

Choices (3.40 / 5) (#18)
by Mr. Piccolo on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:02:48 AM EST

Freshmeat
Newsforge
Themes.org
QuestionExchange

Hey, if you're going to have added crap, at least make sure it's what the community wants...

The BBC would like to apologise for the following comment.


none of them (3.66 / 3) (#19)
by Delirium on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:08:35 AM EST

Well, of those sites, ThinkGeek and Slashdot are the only two I ever visit, because the others are pretty useless to me, since I'm not a Linux user. Is "don't put a bunch of lame OSDN sites on the top of K5" an option?

not all are linux sites (none / 0) (#92)
by GreenHell on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 03:45:21 PM EST

SourceForge at least carries various other OS programs, I believe I got dopewars for Windows from there, and I know I've goten various BeOS programs from there too, can't say much about the others as I generally don't visit them

-GreenHell
This .sig was my last best hope to seem eloquent. It failed.
[ Parent ]
Don't drop the chads... (3.66 / 6) (#21)
by forgey on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:16:34 AM EST

My votes are for:

Thinkgeek
Sourceforge
Linux.com

and

Freshmeat

forge

Lets see now... (4.00 / 4) (#22)
by inspire on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:19:20 AM EST

Not that I ever notice the bar or anything, but here's my list:

freshmeat, themes.org, slashdot, sourceforge.

Perhaps a reason online advertising is doing so poorly is that most site designers try to design the site to minimise the impact of the banner - you don't want to have a loud honking banner right in the middle of the page or anything, and thus users like me are accustomed to just press the down arrow a few times to scroll the crap off the top of the page before reading the content. In the meantime more and more banner ad designers are making more obnoxious ads that dont blend into the scheme of the page (epilepsy-causing bright rapidly flashing coloured ads, java/script ads that crash the browser, and of course the "your internet connection is too slow. fix it?" bullshit).

Thats, like, ironic, or something (in the Alanis Morissette sense).
--
What is the helix?

What, no poll? :) (3.40 / 5) (#23)
by pb on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:35:25 AM EST

1. Freshmeat
2. NewsForge
3. Geocrawler
4. Slashdot

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-- pwhysall
Why I moved away from Florida (3.60 / 5) (#24)
by Miniluv on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:35:42 AM EST

1)Themes.org
2)ThinkGeek
3)NewsForge
4)Pat Buchanan...I mean Slashdot.

"Its like someone opened my mouth and stuck a fistful of herbs in it." - Tamio Kageyama, Iron Chef 'Battle Eggplant'
My votes (3.00 / 4) (#26)
by jreilly on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:44:27 AM EST

Thinkgeek Slashdot Newsforge Sourcforge

Oooh, shiny...
Do they have to be OSDN sites? (3.88 / 9) (#27)
by vastor on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:45:05 AM EST

Google would be good. Sourceforge/Freshmeat also, they've been requested a lot.

Why not make a couple of random ones? Let every user nominate one or two to go in a random pool and they get picked randomly to go up there. It'd be a nice way to discover sites other people like without MLPs.

Would be good to be rid of the MyOSDN/Affiliates stuff on the far right.

How about something like Bugtraq or the comp.risks site? Userfriendly might be good too.

Or, if we have to have OSDN sites - how about the blue bar just goes away entirely? Or move it to the bottom of the screen atleast.

If it has to stay OSDN it's probably a bit misleading for it to be the same blue as the bars are with your k5 login name etc in as it implies it is something to do with the site.

The top four, if it -has- to be out of that list and has to be there at all, would be Freshmeat, Slashdot, Sourceforge and I'll pass on a 4th. Though DaveCentral might not be bad and has windows software as well as linux, I'm pretty sure it's part of OSDN. So make DaveCentral the 4th option even if it wasn't listed.



Re: Do they have to be OSDN sites? (none / 0) (#36)
by evro on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 03:09:38 AM EST

Do they have to be OSDN sites?

I would guess so, since OSDN is paying for that screen real estate. Why would they want to pay rusty so that you could have a link to google?

Or, if we have to have OSDN sites - how about the blue bar just goes away entirely? Or move it to the bottom of the screen atleast.

Why would anybody want to pay for 60 pixels at the bottom of the screen, where people rarely look anyway?

If it has to stay OSDN it's probably a bit misleading for it to be the same blue as the bars are with your k5 login name etc in as it implies it is something to do with the site.

It IS something to do with the site, it is the affiliate who helps make the site possible. Judging by your post, I think you completely missed the point of having advertising on this site.
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"Asking me who to follow -- don't ask me, I don't know!"
[ Parent ]

Is the NavBar even paid for? (4.66 / 3) (#46)
by vastor on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 05:17:28 AM EST

I thought they were paying for banner displays for the most part. The links to their other sites should only be a few percent if any of the value. For all we know OSDN may pay nothing for that part of the screen real estate at all. It would be nice to see actual figures and the agreement that was struck rather than getting bits hinted at.

As for paying for the bottom of the screen - they're doing that already. It does seem a bit unusual, but if they think its worth having a banner ad down there and up the top, then they can move the OSDN NavBar down there too.

I'm aware of the reason for the advertising, however having a bar that could be taken to be part of the site there like that is a lot like product placement in tv shows (which I guess you have no issue with, but which I tend to think isn't a terribly great idea). I'd disagree that they make the site possible - it was fine without them. The ads are about making for a smoother expansion, it's supposed to be for a more properous future - it isn't about keeping it alive right now.

Just as a minor point, the banner ads are 468x60. If they're only paying for the top 60 then that either excludes the OSDN NavBar or it chops off the bottom of the banner ad. If they are only paying for the 60 of the banner, then the links aren't paying anything and thus there is no reason why there shouldn't be a mixture of OSDN and other sites there.

Like I said, it'd be nice to see the exact agreement that was made. If the NavBar is a freebie for OSDN, then why not turn it into something more useful? If however OSDN is paying fully for the OSDN NavBar, then it should be clearly marked as advertising and be in a similar colour to the box the banner ads are in.


[ Parent ]
four pics (3.40 / 5) (#28)
by radar bunny on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:45:47 AM EST

Thinkgeek
SourceForge
Freshmeat
Slashdot



choices (3.33 / 6) (#29)
by klamath on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 02:05:14 AM EST

  1. sourceforge
  2. newsforge
  3. freshmeat
  4. linux.com


my choices are... (3.33 / 6) (#30)
by ContinuousPark on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 02:09:17 AM EST

1. Thinkgeek
2. Themes.org
3. Linux.com
4. Freshmeat

Choices (3.33 / 6) (#31)
by Giza on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 02:13:00 AM EST

Freshmeat
SourceForge
Themes
ThinkGeek

I am myself. --Iwakura Lain
My four (3.50 / 4) (#32)
by J'raxis on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 02:18:59 AM EST

Slashdot
Thinkgeek
Freshmean
SourceForge

-- The Raxis

[ J’raxis·Com | Liberty in your lifetime ]

Links (3.50 / 4) (#34)
by GandalfGreyhame on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 02:32:09 AM EST

NewsForge, cause Inoshiro works there
Geocrawler, cause history is cool
ThinkGeek, cause there's some cool stuff there
Freshmeat, cause its !slashdot and !linux (well, not just linux at least)

-G

touch choices (3.66 / 3) (#35)
by _peter on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 03:05:48 AM EST

geocrawler
freshmeat
thinkgeek
linux.com

If it matters, the last two are filler, really. The first two are the only ones I'd ever use.

Useful, collaborative data. (3.75 / 4) (#37)
by perdida on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 03:11:47 AM EST

Not more talk:

freshmeat
newsforge
sourceforge
question exchange

-perdida


The most adequate archive on the Internet.
I can't shit a hydrogen fuel cell car. -eeee
votes (3.50 / 4) (#38)
by strepsil on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 03:34:19 AM EST

freshmeat
sourceforge
thinkgeek
newsforge

None of the above (4.00 / 2) (#39)
by sugarman on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 03:44:20 AM EST

A pretty weak list, and not really representative of the readership as a whole, I imagine. The weak selection reflects poorly on k5 as well, I imagine.

Anyhoo, the only site I find myself opening up a new window for consistently is Google. If there were an online spellchecker, ala Bablefish, it might be useful to the k5 readership too. :)

But as for the linux-centric list as presented, a big "none of the above" is all I can muster.

--sugarman--

Sites.. (4.00 / 1) (#41)
by driph on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 03:50:55 AM EST

Heh... I use Merriam-Webster for that on a case by case basis. :]

Concerning the sites, these are the osdn affiliates... and some of them are quite good, even for a rare linux user such as myself.

--
Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]
Link to m-w.com broken - add the http:// :p (NT (5.00 / 1) (#89)
by nospoon on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 03:10:23 PM EST


'Desire that is Friday'
[ Parent ]
My choices (3.50 / 4) (#42)
by Lance on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 04:00:36 AM EST

ThinkGeek
Freshmeat
Geocrawler
SourceForge



Mass appeal (3.50 / 4) (#43)
by Eloquence on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 04:15:40 AM EST

These are probably of the most general interest:

  1. Slashdot
  2. ThinkGeek
  3. NewsForge
  4. SourceForge

--
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Voting. (3.50 / 4) (#45)
by aphrael on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 04:35:19 AM EST

In order, i'd go for:
  • SourceForge
  • FreshMeat
  • Think Geek
  • Themes.Org

If there has to be a recount, we're all going to scream.

NewsForge are trolls, please don't link (3.00 / 5) (#49)
by _cbj on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 08:13:48 AM EST

I'm easy about the topjunk. Mostly. One thing I feel strongly about is that NewsForge is a bad site. OSDN mostly pitch their sites at spirited youngsters with more words than action, which works well for them, but even these humble standards aren't met by Newsforge. Every time I've followed a link there (usually from Linux Today), it has been a factless, provocative bulzhitspiel (to use the German), or in common parlance: a troll.

Maybe they aren't all clueless there, but too many are willing to seem that way for hits. Please don't associate Kuro5hin with NewsForge.

Inoshiro... (3.00 / 1) (#107)
by rusty on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 08:56:04 PM EST

Inoshiro works part-time for NewsForge. You might email him, or any of the other editors there with your complaints, I know they'll give you a fair hearing.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Is this the beginning of k5's decline (2.92 / 13) (#50)
by untrusted user on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 08:19:16 AM EST

...into just another mediocre site for the uneducated masses? While there's nothing wrong with displaying that OSDN bar if OSDN mandates so, the idea of spending any energy on the selection of those links strikes me as totally useless. Not for a tiny fraction of a second would I consider selecting any of those links. They're part of the ad system, and as such, meant to be ignored (at least, they can be easily ignored, unlike flashing banner ads). By starting this discussion, you imply that a significant part of k5's readers do care about that piece of line noise up there, which I consider quite insulting.

*bashes head on desk* (3.00 / 1) (#52)
by AdamJ on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 08:49:31 AM EST

By starting this discussion, you imply that a significant part of k5's readers do care about that piece of line noise up there, which I consider quite insulting.

A 'significant portion' of K5's readership doesn't even post, judging by the number of replies to most stories. A 'significant portion' aren't even needed to vote a story to the front page - most stories have less than 5% of the readership voting on them.

So you don't plan on ever using any of the links on the adbar - great, don't vote. But for the people who might, and who care enough to take a few minutes to pick the 4 links they think will be the most useful, this is pretty cool. If you're never going to use the adbar, it doesn't matter WHAT the links are for.

[ Parent ]

Someone might care (1.33 / 6) (#56)
by untrusted user on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 09:26:25 AM EST

So let's have a story on whether the "o" in the Kuro5hin logo should be made a pixel taller. After all, there may be someone out there who cares about it. If I submitted such a story today, I'd be quite sure it would get voted down (and rightfully so). If one of the k5 editors submitted it, promising to honor the results, well, after seeing this story, I'm not sure about what would happen to it.

[ Parent ]
Perhaps. (none / 0) (#109)
by AdamJ on Mon Jan 22, 2001 at 12:00:38 AM EST

Maybe the queue is slightly broken WRT to Rusty and Inoshiro - maybe they should require more votes to get a story posted, but to be honest, I don't care. If I'm not interested in a story and think it sucks, I vote it down. If I'm not interested but think other K5'ers will like it, I vote 0. Either way, I don't read it.

[ Parent ]
Refrag's Four (3.33 / 6) (#51)
by Refrag on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 08:42:19 AM EST

SourceForge
FreshMeat
ThinkGeek
NewsForge

Refrag

Kuro5hin: ...and culture, from the trenches

My choices (3.60 / 5) (#53)
by BehTong on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 08:55:22 AM EST

Hmm, do I have to pick four? The only real choice I have is SourceForge. The rest are just fillers. (I try to avoid Linux-specific sites because there's no reason K5 should be tied to Linux, even though I myself am an avid Linux fan.) So anyway...

SourceForge
Freshmeat
ThinkGeek
Themes.org


Beh Tong Kah Beh Si!

The OSDN four. (3.33 / 3) (#54)
by titus-g on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 09:20:21 AM EST

SourceForge
Freshmeat
Themes.Org
Geocrawler

--"Essentially madness is like charity, it begins at home" --

My votes (3.50 / 4) (#55)
by Malicose on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 09:26:20 AM EST

  1. Slashdot
  2. ThinkGeek
  3. Linux.com
  4. SourceForge


Preference modification (4.00 / 3) (#57)
by Malicose on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 09:31:33 AM EST

Choose up to four sites from the following, listing them in order of preference, and submit a comment to this story with your votes. After a few days we will tally up the totals and place those with the most overall votes onto the OSDN navigation bar.
How will the votes be tallied with respect to the listed preferences? Will each vote be given 4, 3, 2, or 1 based upon the order listed?

Good question (none / 0) (#84)
by flieghund on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:51:55 PM EST

Your suggestion makes a good deal of sense (kind of like how sports teams are ranked in media polls). As you suggest, they would assign each vote a point value based upon its ranking (4-3-2-1). Then the points would be totalled, with the highest four vote-getters being selected. In case of a tie, the selection with the most number of first-place votes wins the tie. If still tied, consider second-place votes, and so forth. The advantage to this system is that even fourth-place votes mean something...


Using a Macintosh is like picking your nose: everyone likes to do it, but no one will admit to it.
[ Parent ]
Here are mine (3.00 / 5) (#58)
by QuoteMstr on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 09:32:48 AM EST

Sourceforge
Geocralwer
Freshmeat
Themes.org

Anti-preferences (least desired first):

Slashdot
Newsforge
QuestionExchange
LinuxGram



Before anyone else says it... (3.80 / 5) (#61)
by theboz on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 10:05:45 AM EST

You left out www.goatse.cx. :o)

In all seriousness, here's the few that I visit on there:

Slashdot
Freshmeat
Themes.org

And that's really it. I would also pick Thinkgeek because sometimes I have looked at their stuff and thought it would be nice to have it, but I probably wouldn't buy anything from them since I can get it in a brick and mortar type store and have it immediately.

Stuff.

Vote early, vote often! (3.50 / 4) (#62)
by ajschu on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 10:45:52 AM EST

In order of descending preference...

  • Slashdot
  • Freshmeat
  • Themes.org
  • ThinkGeek

AJS



my picts (3.50 / 4) (#64)
by Hillgiant on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 10:55:35 AM EST

1.NewsForge
2.Geocrawler
3.QuestionExchange
4.Freshmeat

Tried to get some of the (imho) less represented resources up there. =]

Anti choices (in no particular order):
Slashdot
Slashdot
Slashdot
Slashdot

-----
"It is impossible to say what I mean." -johnny

Choices (3.50 / 4) (#67)
by MoxFulder on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 11:21:45 AM EST

1. SourceForge 2. Linux.Com 3. Freshmeat 4. NewsForge

"If good things lasted forever, would we realize how special they are?"
--Calvin and Hobbes


hmmm (4.33 / 3) (#68)
by 31: on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 11:31:40 AM EST

there seem to be an aweful lot of things recently that seem like preferences, but rather than adding them to the preferences page, they get a story asking for everyone's opinion...

Why not have a links section in there, all of your osdn happiness sites, maybe a user-definable (just in case i'd get a kick outta seeing my site linked to on the top of k5), and have it so if you don't wanna see any, you don't get a blue bar at the top?

But for setting defaults for that system, I'd have to say
  1. ThinkGeek, if I had more money i'd buy stuff from them
  2. Freshmeat, cause them people won't post every damned new software update here
  3. Themes.org, to make life prettier
  4. Slashdot, so when people refer to that other site and newbies are confused, or when the old timers forget why they're here, people can just point to the link at the top (that was tounge in cheek, i do frequest /.)


-Patrick
Selections and How About ThinkGeek and Google? (3.33 / 3) (#70)
by quam on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 11:43:36 AM EST

Why not have ThinkGeek as an option? They have some k3wl stuff.
I also think Google would make a fine addition.

1. SourceForge
2. QuestionExchange
3. Geocrawler
4. NewsForge


Write in votes:
1. Google
2. ThinkGeek


Also, why not have the links defined per user in preferences?

-- U.S. Patent 5443036 concerns a device for encouraging a cat to exercise by chasing a light spot.
Revision .01A (Errr, my mistake) (3.00 / 2) (#71)
by quam on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 11:50:30 AM EST

ok, it is 10:50 AM. Very early...could you please ignore my ThinkGeek comment and accept my revised entry:

1.ThinkGeek
2.SourceForge
3.QuestionExchange
4.GeoCrawler


-- U.S. Patent 5443036 concerns a device for encouraging a cat to exercise by chasing a light spot.
[ Parent ]
And this makes it on the front page? (3.33 / 6) (#72)
by malikcoates on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:19:52 PM EST

It's not too hard to ignore the top & bottom banner adds, but now it seems like the only articles which make the front page are advertisements for affiliated sites. It doesn't make sense to me. A few short days ago any post that had the slightest hint of self promotion would be screamed down with shouts of "it's an ad!!", "it's an ad". And now we have so many banners and front page meta posts which are ads there is no way to avoid them anymore.

I think if we want to be honest with ourselves there shouldn't be anymore voting down of ads in the submission queue.

arr (3.50 / 4) (#73)
by Milk-Boy on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:36:38 PM EST

slashdot newsforge thinkgeek questionexchange


---
/me falls over
My $.02 (3.66 / 3) (#74)
by elemental on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:49:57 PM EST

From someone who rarely posts. Maybe I'll start soon, who knows.

But anyways, my choices, in no particular order, are sites I already visit fairly regularly:

  • Freshmeat
  • Themes.Org
  • ThinkGeek
  • Slashdot

They aren't part of OSDN, but links to the User Friendly Daily Static and Google would be cool.


--
I love my country but I fear my government.
--> Contact info on my web site --


Chosen wisely. (3.50 / 4) (#75)
by jmcneill on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 12:57:59 PM EST

themes.org freshmeat newsforge slashdot
``Of course it runs NetBSD.''
Just votes... nothing worth reading... (3.50 / 4) (#76)
by Field Marshall Stack on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:00:15 PM EST

In descending order of preference. freshmeat themes.org thinkgeek slashdot
--
Ben Allen, hiway@speakeasy.org
"Nobody ever lends money to a man with a sense of humor"
-Peter Tork
No one answer. (4.77 / 9) (#77)
by Inoshiro on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:13:41 PM EST

Since we're guaranteed to annoy at least some people, I think we should fold the the OSDN navbar in as a special box of some kind. People who care can have the links they choose in there, people who don't care can ignore the default links. It'll be the only way to keep everyone happy. Plus, it's the right next step towards being able to turn off the OSDN branding for those who wish to subscribe to K5.



--
[ イノシロ ]
this gets my vote. (no text ) (2.33 / 3) (#90)
by goosedaemon on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 03:32:14 PM EST

hi, kids.

[ Parent ]
In order of most to least wantness number... (3.50 / 4) (#78)
by qslack on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:15:56 PM EST

Freshmeat Sourceforge Newsforge Geocrawler

Why just four? (3.50 / 4) (#79)
by panner on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:18:12 PM EST

With that gray bar up there, you could probably fit them all there and still have plenty of empty space ;) Nevertheless, by four are, in order of preference:
  1. Freshmeat
  2. SourceForge
  3. Slashdot
  4. Themes.our
(and, as you may have figured out, I wish you would lose the gray bar, it just wastes screen space)

--
Keith Smiley
Get it right, for God's sake. Pigs can work out how to use a joystick, and people still can't do this!
choices (3.50 / 4) (#80)
by mbell on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:25:12 PM EST

1) Slashdot
2) SourceForge
3) NewsForge
4) Freshmeat

my vote (3.50 / 4) (#81)
by antizeus on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:38:32 PM EST

(1) SourceForge (2) FreshMeat (3) Themes.Org (4) GeoCrawler
-- $SIGNATURE
my vote (3.50 / 4) (#82)
by skeezix on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:38:33 PM EST

1. linux.com 2. freshmeat 3. sourceforge 4. slashdot

Vote (3.50 / 4) (#83)
by B'Trey on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 01:38:39 PM EST

1 Question Exchange

2 Geocrawler

3 NewsForge

4 ThinkGeek



thinkgeek isn't useful (3.50 / 4) (#85)
by atomic on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 02:28:00 PM EST

a shopping site? hmmm... how about some useful reference sites?

my votes
  • question exchange
  • geocrawler
  • freshmeat
  • (though i never liked the name :)
  • themes.org
  • (because it's fun :)


    atomic.

    "why did they have to call it UNIX? that's kind of... ewww." -- mom.
    Choices (with rationale) (4.25 / 4) (#86)
    by flieghund on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 02:28:01 PM EST

    1. ThinkGeek. This is for an advertising bar, correct? Then the "ad" should point to a place that I can buy something. ThinkGeek has some very nice things -- have you seen the Window Kits? As an added bonus, this is not an exclusively linux-based site...
    2. Themes.org. Though this is ostensibly a linux site, there is nothing to prevent me from using the tres chic backgrounds on my Win2k machine at work...
    3. SourceForge. My previous comments notwithstanding, there are a lot of excellent projects happening over there that deserve wider attention.
    4. QuestionExchange. Amazing resource for anyone at any skill level. Plus an excellent answer to the "But who do I call when I have a problem?" question regarding open source projects...

    Missing from my list are any exclusively linux sites. I share the opinion of a few others below that k5 is not (should not be) a "linux-jingoist" site. Slashdot (why do people have a problem with using its name?) is frighteningly anti-Windows and seems only barely tolerable of other alternative OSes like BSD. And while I applaud open source efforts, not everyone can take advantage of them. (Like in my case, where I have to use Windows because there are no equivalent alternatives to the suite of applications I have to use for interoperability.)

    (I also just noticed that my list appears in reverse alphabetical order. Mmmmmm...)


    Using a Macintosh is like picking your nose: everyone likes to do it, but no one will admit to it.
    Yeah (3.33 / 6) (#87)
    by Fjord on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 02:44:10 PM EST

    1. SourceForge 2. Freshmeat 3. QuestionExchange 4. Themes.org


    No one can force an OS down your throat, you ultimately have to pay for it, one way or another. - rednecktek
    My choices (3.50 / 4) (#88)
    by nospoon on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 03:04:05 PM EST

    1. SourceForge 2. Freshmeat 3. QuestionExchange 4. Themes.org


    'Desire that is Friday'
    My choices (3.50 / 4) (#91)
    by GreenHell on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 03:38:09 PM EST

    SourceForge
    QuestionExchange
    GeoCrawler
    Freashmeat

    -GreenHell
    This .sig was my last best hope to seem eloquent. It failed.
    My vote (3.50 / 4) (#93)
    by Smiling Dragon on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 04:28:37 PM EST

    ThinkGeek
    SourceForge
    FreshMeat
    Slashdot

    For the record, I wish to include the Ob.Grumble that User Friendly should have been in the list <grin>


    -- Sometimes understanding is the booby prize - Neal Stephenson
    Choices: (3.50 / 4) (#95)
    by jasonkb on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 04:49:46 PM EST

    1) themes.org 2) sourceforge 3) questionexchange 4) freshmeat
    ____________________ kde.org, konquer your desktop!
    hmmmm (3.50 / 4) (#96)
    by jbridge21 on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 04:50:31 PM EST

    freshmeat
    sourceforge
    thinkgeek
    questionexchange

    Choices (3.50 / 4) (#98)
    by Matthew Guenther on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 05:51:29 PM EST

    1. Sourceforge
    2. Freshmeat
    3. Themes.org
    4. Slashdot


    Navibar Picks (3.50 / 4) (#99)
    by a20vertigo on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 06:29:58 PM EST

    1. Slashdot 2. Thinkgeek 3. Freshmeat 4. Themes.org
    Material defender, abort jump sequence!
    I..I... I CANT!
    ***************
    * | DANGER | *
    * .RADIATION. *
    ***************
    -Descent II Endsequence
    themes.org (4.50 / 4) (#100)
    by enterfornone on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 06:32:56 PM EST

    Just a reply to a few of the comments below claiming themes.org is a Linux site. Themes.org is an open source themes site, we have themes for the GPL windows shell litestep, chromes for Mozilla, as well as backgrounds and tiles and things that can be used in any OS/Desktop.

    Just thought I'd mention it.



    --
    efn 26/m/syd
    Will sponsor new accounts for porn.
    all I'm wondering is.. (4.75 / 8) (#101)
    by Zero Whitefur on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 06:36:46 PM EST

    Why is it that Slashdot doesn't seem to have to have *anything* across the top of their pages aside from their own ads? They have one link to osdn.com (the only change in the layout they've made in what seems like years) and that's it. And as for Thinkgeek, it doesn't have *any* links to anything osdn related..is k5 mandated somehow to have these links? And if so, how can slashdot and thinkgeek get away with not having the links?

    ..or is there something about the osdn that I don't know that makes all of this clear as a summer's day..

    my vote (3.50 / 4) (#102)
    by Friendless on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 06:52:20 PM EST

    Slashdot SourceForge Freshmeat NewsForge

    my humble vote... (3.66 / 3) (#103)
    by HiRes on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 07:33:12 PM EST

    1. Freshmeat
    2. Slashdot
    3. Geocrawler
    4. Themes.org

    (man, I just knew that <OL> tag would come in handy someday...)
    --
    wcb
    wait! before you rate, read.

    My vote/Opinion (4.00 / 2) (#104)
    by nuntius on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 07:34:34 PM EST

    Howdy all,
    My vote is against the blue link bar. What good is a small non-customizable link bar at the top of a webpage, right below my customized "Personal Toolbar Folder" in Mozilla (or Netscape) which has over 100 categorized, easily-accessible links?

    This little blue bar only exists on k5 pages; I'm not going to rely on it as a navigational tool anytime soon. That it is outside my immediate control only hinders it further.

    Here are a few places I do visit regularly:
    - http://www.nytimes.com/
    - http://www.slashdot.org/
    - http://www.rootprompt.org/


    FNSS (3.66 / 3) (#106)
    by mystic on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 08:12:51 PM EST

    Freshmeat,NewsForge,SourceForge,Slashdot

    Navbar (3.50 / 4) (#108)
    by Monster on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 10:20:39 PM EST

    Two separate issues here:

    Instead of a single, common navbar for all, would it be that difficult to make this configurable per user, so that we each get our own favorite links? People not logged in would get K5's Most Popular, the aggregate of all the "votes" from those configurations.

    Why is it necessary to put the navbar across the top, and then have all that blank space to the left of the advert? Let's use the space for the navigation stuff.


    SVM, ERGO MONSTRO

    stuff (3.66 / 3) (#110)
    by The Madpostal Worker on Mon Jan 22, 2001 at 12:17:40 AM EST

    slashdot thinkgeek questionexchange sourceforge
    <-- #include "~/.sig" -->
    Choices (3.66 / 3) (#112)
    by Khalad on Mon Jan 22, 2001 at 01:00:25 AM EST

    My choices:

    1. Slashdot
    2. QuestionExchange
    3. Freshmeat
    4. SourceForge

    You remind me why I still, deep in my bitter crusty broken heart, love K5. —rusty


    vote (3.66 / 3) (#113)
    by PipTigger on Mon Jan 22, 2001 at 01:06:06 AM EST

    Freshmeat SourceForge ThinkGeek Themes.Org


    -PipTigger
    Wake Up! (4.33 / 3) (#114)
    by DigDug on Mon Jan 22, 2001 at 01:32:57 AM EST

    Before you vote on something of these proportions, let alone post it, shouldn't you read what Rusty has to say about this? Obviously, the writer of this post, which undoubtedly unleashed a flood of comments, opinions, and flames on Rusty & Co., read the original post by Rusty, right? I doubt it.

    Had you read the original post, you would've probably known that:

    • OSDN, and not Rusty, controls the OSDN bar, as well as the ads.
    • OSDN has a special deal with Rusty. Kuro5hin is not property of OSDN -- they just own the little bar at the top, including the links.

    Also, having read the original post, you would've probably deduced that:

    • One of the reasons OSDN is doing this is to promote its other sites. This means that they choose what links are displayed at the top.
    • The links are somewhat similar to ads. Would you have Rusty negotiate with OSDN so that you can customize your banners as well?

    --
    Yavista - if you haven't found a nice homepage yet.

    leviathan hits the snooze button (4.00 / 1) (#115)
    by leviathan on Mon Jan 22, 2001 at 08:43:02 AM EST

    Had you read the original post, you would've probably known that:
    • OSDN, and not Rusty, controls the OSDN bar, as well as the ads.

    Yes, but you'll note that 'we' (read 'Rusty', ideally acting on our behalf) have the right to veto any ad.

    Also, having read the original post, you would've probably deduced that:
    • One of the reasons OSDN is doing this is to promote its other sites. This means that they choose what links are displayed at the top.

    Well, yes. That's why we can only choose from the OSDN sites.

    • The links are somewhat similar to ads. Would you have Rusty negotiate with OSDN so that you can customize your banners as well?

    Individual customization is not the issue, and yes, Rusty has said that he will, under certain non-specified circumstances, exercise the veto on a banner advert with OSDN.

    I honestly don't know what rights the agreement with OSDN grants the k5 crew, but probably the most telling evidence is that Rusty has contributed a comment to this story (albeit on a different subject). I think he would have mentioned it if there was no option!

    --
    I wish everyone was peaceful. Then I could take over the planet with a butter knife.
    - Dogbert
    [ Parent ]

    Cooee (3.50 / 4) (#116)
    by leviathan on Mon Jan 22, 2001 at 08:43:54 AM EST

    Considering I've never visited most of those sites, even once...
    1. Sourceforge
    2. Freshmeat
    3. Themes.org

    ...and after those three, I don't really care for any of the others.

    --
    I wish everyone was peaceful. Then I could take over the planet with a butter knife.
    - Dogbert

    Codemonkey... (4.66 / 3) (#117)
    by B'Trey on Mon Jan 22, 2001 at 09:01:04 AM EST

    what is your problem? Most of these comments are VOTES. Why are you (and others) moderating a VOTE? The only possible criteria is whether or not they voted the same as you, and moderating people for that is an abuse of the moderation system.

    4 votes (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by reshippie on Mon Jan 22, 2001 at 09:04:01 AM EST

    1. ThinkGeek.
    2. Freshmeat.
    3. SourceForge.
    4. Slashdot.


    Those who don't know me, probably shouldn't trust me. Those who do DEFINITELY shouldn't trust me. :-)
    vote (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by tacklebeth on Mon Jan 22, 2001 at 09:35:08 AM EST

    1. freshmeat 2. themes.org 3. slashdot 4. thinkgeek

    My choices (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by WWWWolf on Mon Jan 22, 2001 at 10:06:25 AM EST

    1. Freshmeat
    2. T.o
    3. Sourceforge
    4. Slashdot

    -- Weyfour WWWWolf, a lupine technomancer from the cold north...


    the cetan vote (4.33 / 3) (#121)
    by cetan on Mon Jan 22, 2001 at 11:02:18 AM EST

    1. Themes.org
    2. Freshmeat
    3. SourceForge
    4. Geocrawler


    Incidently, is there any particular reason many (if not all) of the "my choice" list comments are being rated (especially be the same two users HiRes and codemonkey_uk) ? A simple response to the question posed in this particular article shouldn't get any rating in my mind. (Perhaps this is a bot?)

    ===== cetan www.cetan.com =====
    vote-o-rama (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by superfly on Mon Jan 22, 2001 at 07:50:19 PM EST

    If there has to be a navbar...

    1. Slashdot
    2. SourceForge
    3. Themes.Org
    4. Freshmeat


    so many options... (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by TheDarkOne on Mon Jan 22, 2001 at 10:48:34 PM EST

    1. Freshmeat
    2. Slashdot
    3. Linux.com
    4. Think Geek


    Download apps, read news, more news / get help, and buy neat shit. What else do you need.

    my vote. (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by FunkyChild on Tue Jan 23, 2001 at 12:18:24 AM EST

    1. QuestionExchange
    2. Themes.org
    3. Thinkgeek
    4. Slashdot


    -- Today is the tomorrow that you worried about yesterday. And now, you know why.
    Uh... (4.00 / 2) (#126)
    by inpHilltr8r on Tue Jan 23, 2001 at 04:48:11 AM EST

    google,
    memepool,
    the register,
    BBC news,

    I mean, the only one off that list I've been back to more than a couple of times is slashdot, and I still feel dirty after doing that. Ugg...

    ...Oh, I see, it's part of the whole ad deal.

    My choices... (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by dlc on Tue Jan 23, 2001 at 07:49:22 AM EST

    • themes.org
    • sourceforge
    • freshmeat
    • thinkgeek

    (darren)

    My Choices (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by Morn on Tue Jan 23, 2001 at 09:38:21 AM EST

    As others have, I've tried to avoid Linux-oriented sites (though with the selection, it's rather hard... Still, shouldn't complain if it's paying for K5 I suppose.) Newsforge, Geocrawler, Freshmeat, Sourceforge

    My Votes (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by moshez on Wed Jan 24, 2001 at 09:42:03 AM EST

    SourceForge
    geocrawler
    Thinkgeek
    Themes.org

    [T]he k5 troll HOWTO has been updated ... This update is dedicated to moshez, and other bitter anti-trolls.
    Votes (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by AdamJ on Thu Jan 25, 2001 at 04:37:45 AM EST

    1. FreshMeat
    2. SourceForge
    3. Linux.com
    4. Themes.org

    my choices... (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by inti on Thu Jan 25, 2001 at 03:57:32 PM EST

    1. FreshMeat
    2. SourceForge
    3. Linux.com
    4. Themes.org

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