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Will the Real Anne Marie Please Stand Up?

By Educated Escort in Meta
Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 10:45:42 AM EST
Tags: You Know... (all tags)
You Know...

I figure after reading countless posts on the wonderful k5 and /. about Anne Marie that it is probably worthy of a little story here to set the facts straight, and perhaps provide some interesting discussion.

My name is Anne Marie. I had a site EducatedEscort.com for about a year and retired in October of 2000.....


The site was mentioned in this article on Slashdot which brought it to the attention of many "geeks" around the net. Soon thereafter someone started posting frequently on Slashdot going by the name of Anne Marie. When accused of being male this "Anne Marie" would deny the rumors vehemently. Although when s/he was accused of being the Educated Escort s/he would neither confirm nor deny the accusations(and does the same here on k5) Therefore they decided it was indeed me. I received countless emails every time "Anne Marie" would post something controversial on the /. site.

Anyone can use any name s/he pleases, but as the frequency of Anne Marie's posts increased so did the emails that I received from angry slashdotters convinced I was her.

I was trying to run a business and it was very difficult trying to separate these emails from the serious inquiries I was receiving. Many articles were being written on tech sites saying that I was the Anne Marie on /. My emails only increased , but only in quantity, not in quality. It made it increasingly difficult to run a business. I'd always received many pro and con email, but now I was getting emails from people posing as clients and wasting my time since they had it out for me--thinking I was Anne Marie the mad poster. At least there were articles such as the one on Salon to give me some credibility.

I don't have the time to keep up with all the posts that Anne Marie writes on /. and k5 nor would I ever have the time to write them all. It scares me a bit to think that anyone would. Whether s/he is a troll or not is not my concern. I would, however, like to clear the air of all rumors (including the funny k5 posts by "Kiss the Blade") that Anne Marie and I are one in the same. Yes, I work with computers, did escort for a year to a select few geek millionaires and have now retired and gain nothing from writing this. I just want to set the record straight and as the Sheepdot guy requested on a post on this board; If you go look at my site and view source you'll see that I have put a little note in there that I am not AM on k5 or /. Soooo, that about wraps it up. If and when I have a new project it will be on my site and I appreciate taking up your valuable time.

Slashdot and k5 fan forever,

Anne Marie , Educated Escort, fellow nerd.

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Will the Real Anne Marie Please Stand Up? | 157 comments (117 topical, 40 editorial, 3 hidden)
heheheh (3.00 / 22) (#1)
by vsync on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 08:46:38 PM EST

I am Spartacus!

--
"The problem I had with the story, before I even finished reading, was the copious attribution of thoughts and ideas to vsync. What made it worse was the ones attributed to him were the only ones that made any sense whatsoever."
or... (2.62 / 8) (#32)
by untrusted user on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 11:00:07 PM EST

I'm Brian and so is my wife!

[ Parent ]
hmm... (2.90 / 11) (#2)
by vsync on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 08:48:48 PM EST

That note in the source says who you aren't, but doesn't say who you are. If you truly are the same individual, why not add a note to the source saying "My K5 account is Educated Escort"?

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"The problem I had with the story, before I even finished reading, was the copious attribution of thoughts and ideas to vsync. What made it worse was the ones attributed to him were the only ones that made any sense whatsoever."
because (4.00 / 3) (#6)
by enterfornone on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 08:55:38 PM EST

she hasn't updated the page lately? The educated escort account is quite new, I believe she only came here after I linked to her page in this comment after I was accused of being Anne Marie.

Rusty has hinted that he knows who Anne Marie is, but as per the privacy agreement I would not expect him to pass this on to us.

Other rumours are that Anne Marie is Sig 11 (no offence, but Siggy doesn't write that well) and Bowie Poag (Anne Marie hasn't slagged off at VA yet, so I doubt it).

--
efn 26/m/syd
Will sponsor new accounts for porn.
[ Parent ]

uh (2.00 / 2) (#121)
by shoeboy on Tue Jan 09, 2001 at 12:08:29 AM EST

Rusty has hinted that he knows who Anne Marie is, but as per the privacy agreement I would not expect him to pass this on to us.

He HAS passed it on to us.
You just haven't read the post where he did it.

--Shoeboy

No more trolls!
[ Parent ]
I will do so......... (4.00 / 9) (#13)
by Educated Escort on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 09:35:53 PM EST

I will add it on there. I hope that will prove it. Anne Marie

"It has become appallingly clear that our technology has surpassed our humanity"

Albert Einstein


[ Parent ]

wow (3.60 / 5) (#16)
by vsync on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 10:03:34 PM EST

I suggested something to the real Anne Marie, and she did it! I think I'll go off and imagine that I'm famous now...

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"The problem I had with the story, before I even finished reading, was the copious attribution of thoughts and ideas to vsync. What made it worse was the ones attributed to him were the only ones that made any sense whatsoever."
[ Parent ]
Heh (1.18 / 77) (#3)
by jann on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 08:50:23 PM EST

May I have your attentipon please, may I have your attention please, will the real Anne Marie please stand up, I repeat will the real Anne Marie please stand up .....we're gonna have a problem here......... Ya'll act like you never seen a slash poster before mouse all on the floor like mom and daddy just burst in the door and started whoopin yer ass worse than before they first had endorsed buyin' ya a crappy computer (aaaaaah) It's the return of the... "awww..wait, no wait, you're kidding, he didn't just say what I think he did, did he?" and Mr. Cray said... nothing you idiots, Mr Cray's dead he's locked in my basement microsoft women love Sig '11 chicka chicka chicka Anne Marie, "I'm sick of him, lookit him walkin around, grabbin his GNU know what flippin' to GNU know who" "yeah, but he's so smart though" yeah, I probably got a couple of screws up in my head loose but no worse than what's goin on in your sister's webcam (eheheheh) sometimes, I wanna get on ZD and just let loose but cant, but it's cool for RMS to hump a dead GNU My mouse is on your link, My mouse is on your link and if you're lucky, I might just give it a little click and that's the message that we deliver to little kids and expect them not to know what a free software is of course they're gonna know what Microsoft is by the time they hit 4th grade they got MS-NBC, dont they? we ain't nothing but omnivores well, some of us carnivores who read other people's mail like crackwhores but if we can read your e-mail like it's available then there's no reason that a man can't forge spam from your account but if you feel like I feel, I got the antedote trolls wave your penis birds, sing the chorus and it goes........ I'm Anne Marie, yes, I'm the real Marie all you other Anne Marie's are just imitating so won't the real Anne Marie please stand up, please stand up, please stand up cause I'm Anne Marie, yes, I'm the real Marie all you other Anne Marie's are just imitating so wont the real Anne Marie please stand up, please stand up, please stand up Sig 11 don't got to cuss in his posts to get Karma well I do, so fuck him and fuck you too you think I give a damn about my Karma half of you trolls can't even stomach me, let alone stand me "but Nicky, what if you win, wouldn't it be weird" why? so you guys can just lie to get me here so you can sit me here next to Natalie here shit,Enoch Root's momma better switch me chairs so I can sit next to trollmastah and Post First and hear em argue over who modded it down first little troll, flamed me back on IRC "yeah, he's fast, but I think he types one-handed, hee hee" I should download some audio on MP3 and show the world how you released it BSD (aaaaaah) I'm sick of you little troll and l33t groups all you do is annoy me so I have been sent here to destroy you and there's a million of us just like me who post like me, who just don't give a fuck like me who code like me, walk, talk and act like me and just might be the next best thing, but not quite me...... I'm Anne Marie, yes, I'm the real Marie all you other Anne Marie's are just imitating so won't the real Anne Marie please stand up, please stand up, please stand up cause I'm Anne Marie, yes, I'm the real Marie all you other Anne Marie's are just imitating so wont the real Anne Marie please stand up, please stand up, please stand up I'm like a head trip to listen to cause I'm only givin you things you troll about with your friends inside you rabbit hole the only difference is I got the balls to say it in front of ya'll and I aint gotta be false or sugar coated at all I just get on the web and spit it and whether you like to admit it (riiip) I just shit it better than 90% you troll

I modded you down. (3.69 / 13) (#9)
by TheReverend on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 09:12:08 PM EST

Because you didn't credit that. And you sure as hell didn't write it. And you didn't format it. Nothing personal.

---
"Democratic voting is specifically about minority rights" --Infinitera
lol
[ Parent ]

Yup. (4.33 / 12) (#12)
by Dolgan on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 09:32:57 PM EST

In case anyone cares, that's also why I voted it down. For those who voted it up, I remind them:

People, that's not a unique piece. It's unformatted and when I saw it, I wanted to run away. Format it, credit it, and add the sentence: "As seen in over 100 spammed comments on Slashdot," and it'll get a 2 from me. That's at least an improvement over a 1. My reasoning would be 1 for posting spam, then another point for effort.

All you (jann) did was snag a spam from Slashdot, copy it, paste it, add "Heh" to the top and post it (without previewing). Why?

Evidence that this is a ripped off copy and paste job is here on trolldot.org (the actual trolldot.org wasn't responding, so the Google cache'll do). And a search on Slashdot'll probably get some hits, too.

The grandparent is clearly free of content and contribution.

[ Parent ]

Yeah (3.22 / 9) (#17)
by Elendale on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 10:06:05 PM EST

But it is funny and appropriate... dunno, citing the source would be nice and formatting would be real nice. Made me laugh though...

-Elendale
---

When free speech is outlawed, only criminals will complain.


[ Parent ]
Original source? (4.00 / 5) (#67)
by pb on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 04:53:39 AM EST

First, blame Eminem, and whoever he ripped off.

Second, this is about as original as you're going to get.

As to who was the "original" loser to s/"Bruce Perens"/"Anne Marie"/g, well, you got me, but I'm not impressed anymore.
---
"See what the drooling, ravening, flesh-eating hordes^W^W^W^WKuro5hin.org readers have to say."
-- pwhysall
[ Parent ]

*Ahem* (3.75 / 4) (#89)
by 11223 on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 12:09:56 PM EST

*Cough*

(I didn't say anything. I swear!)

--
The dead hand of Asimov's mass psychology wins every time.
[ Parent ]

And I'm a megalomaniac (2.50 / 14) (#5)
by skim123 on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 08:55:34 PM EST

But you don't see me wasting bandwidth...

Money is in some respects like fire; it is a very excellent servant but a terrible master.
PT Barnum


I voted don't care... (3.80 / 10) (#18)
by shirobara on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 10:07:20 PM EST

But funny, here I am reading through it again. Reading through all the comments. What a nice little drama this is...I think I'll edit it and see if I can get it made into a Lifetime made-for-TV movie. Because that's what all this reminds me of - those movies on Lifetime that my roommate watches. I glance at the TV and there's a dramatic caption or a grieving woman with a pouting daughter or a mysterious woman creating havoc in a sleepy community somewhere in beautiful Ireland. And the thing is - I want to watch those movies. I want to close k5 and sit and watch the woman make peace with her estranged daughter at the funeral of her abusive husband on a rugged Maine coastline. It sucks you in.

I'm sorry that people are giving this Anne Marie trouble and wasting her time. I've seen what imposters can do - or even what confusion can do - online, and it can be very annoying and frustrating. It's happened to a few people I knew, though on a much smaller scale. I do hope that posting this story and the HTML comment in her site will help to clear it up on her end.

As concerns k5, I'm going to stop watching the Lifetime movie. As far as I can tell, given the lack of responses to anything, the k5 poster Anne Marie is either someone having a good time with us or another poster too cowardly to do things under one name. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. I don't care if this person posts interesting stories - that's kind of a case-by-case basis thing. But the controversy attached to the name and not to the stories is becoming too much of a drama. Enough.



For the Record (3.71 / 14) (#21)
by bgp4 on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 10:18:58 PM EST

I've been reading K5 since well before the DoS, and this is by far the funniest story I've ever read. This whole troll/AM/enterfone/Signal 11 ego trip needs a section to itself. Maybe "K5 Drama" or something.

Anyhoo, in all seriousness, Educated Escort has indeed proven who she is (in a very novel way... I like it) but she has not proven who she is not. It smells like it's time for a protocol of some sort. If someone can figure out a way to prove EE is not AM, I'll pony up a DVD or something (just to make it interesting).

Securitygeeks... We are the trench
May all your salads be eaten out of black hats
check the server logs (3.50 / 2) (#23)
by enterfornone on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 10:22:15 PM EST

It would be trivial to find out, like I said below, Rusty has hinted he already knows. But the privacy policy would stop the admins telling us who Anne Marie is (and I think that's a good thing).

--
efn 26/m/syd
Will sponsor new accounts for porn.
[ Parent ]
Server logs don't prove stuff (4.33 / 3) (#24)
by bgp4 on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 10:30:36 PM EST

The server logs may serve as a strong indicator, but don't prove anything. Like in the mathematical sense. I know it's sorta splitting hairs, but someone who was really determined to perform some act of deception could log on as AM from a UUNet dial in Houston for weeks just to set up a pattern, then create and access an EE account from a cable modem in Canada to make it seem like a different person. Far fetched, I know, but that's what proof is about. ;) If it's possible, than you can be sure it wasn't done.


May all your salads be eaten out of black hats
[ Parent ]
"proof" (3.66 / 3) (#45)
by rusty on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 01:19:16 AM EST

I know it's sorta splitting hairs, but someone who was really determined to perform some act of deception could log on as AM from a UUNet dial in Houston for weeks just to set up a pattern, then create and access an EE account from a cable modem in Canada to make it seem like a different person.

The only sort of "proof" I have is of this nature. Which is why I didn't claim that I "know" who anyone is, just that the logs strongly indicate a certain thing.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Serendipity (4.00 / 4) (#75)
by titus-g on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 07:36:44 AM EST

*I didn't claim that I "know" who anyone is*

Only just changed my user info yesterday and already a chance to quote it!

Is the rumour true that you are changing the text at the bottom right of the header to "The best stories by and about Anne Marie, chosen by you." ?

promise I won't tell anyone if you are :)

--"Essentially madness is like charity, it begins at home" --
[ Parent ]

Asking the impossible. (2.00 / 1) (#128)
by telosphilos on Tue Jan 09, 2001 at 11:35:27 AM EST

I am afraid you are asking for the impossible. You can't prove a negative. It is logically impossible. Sorry.


-- Peace and quiet is a sleeping baby.
[ Parent ]
How's that? (2.00 / 1) (#129)
by ODiV on Tue Jan 09, 2001 at 11:44:31 AM EST

How is it logically impossible?

If you can prove that AM == X where X != EE then you have proven that EE != AM. All you would have to do is prove the identity of AM (as long as it's not EE).


--
[ odiv.net ]
[ Parent ]
Excellent. (3.78 / 14) (#25)
by pb on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 10:31:12 PM EST

I was wondering if this would ever happen; I know that Anne Marie (She's the real Anne Marie / all the other Anne Maries are just imitating,) reads Slashdot, and I know that Slashdotters aren't terribly bright...

...and I know that "Anne Marie" (the user Anne Marie on Slashdot and K5) isn't a woman, (and *also* isn't Siggy, for the Slashdotters who aren't terribly bright again) which means that he probably isn't the real (IRL) Anne Marie to begin with...

...but I wondered if they'd ever collide. Also, judging from the comments, I gather even more of those Not Very Bright Slashdotters (NoVerbS, for the moment, let's call them, either due to their lack of reading comprehension or backbone) have managed to find K5, mores the pity.

Anyhow, to IRL Anne Marie: try to ignore the NoVerbS, and maybe they'll go away, and try to at least enjoy K5, if not slashdot... :)
---
"See what the drooling, ravening, flesh-eating hordes^W^W^W^WKuro5hin.org readers have to say."
-- pwhysall
I don't care who you are or aren't (2.00 / 17) (#26)
by duxup on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 10:33:05 PM EST

On the internet I enjoy both my own and everyone else's anonymity. I don't care whom Anne Marie is or who you purport to be. Put a sock in it about who you are, and either post about technology and culture from the trenches, or just don't post.

It is about technology (4.20 / 5) (#29)
by bgp4 on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 10:45:28 PM EST

That's the problem with being anonymous, you can be anyone you want. Forums like /. and K5 allows users to ditch their real life personas and take on virtual ones. Some folks make up personalities, others steal personalities for various reasons (un-imaginative, potential fame, etc). How many Bruce Perens are on /. anyway? The technology that allows you to be anonymous is the same technology that can steal others identity. This can be an annoyance at it's base level, and potentially very damaging. "yeah, hi... I'm an Emulex executive and our company is about do to something Really Cool (tm)."


May all your salads be eaten out of black hats
[ Parent ]
Give me a moment. (2.62 / 29) (#27)
by harb on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 10:37:12 PM EST

I'm attempting to flex my "give a fuck" muscles.

harb.

bda.

Here here (3.50 / 2) (#82)
by pallex on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 11:07:57 AM EST

(or hear hear - i was corrected once, but i dont g.a.f about that either) Get a PGP key and sign stuff...or something...i dont know, this whole story just isnt very interesting. DUMP IT!

[ Parent ]
Why I Vote 'Don't Care...' (3.58 / 17) (#28)
by eskimo on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 10:41:35 PM EST

Because I really, really don't care. This is some sort of new Gary Larson troll. 'Fish or cut bait.' I didn't want to post, because that somehow validates this entire meaningless discussion. But voting wasn't enough. And worse, I couldn't vote to 'Dump It,' because I REALLY DON'T CARE.

With a little hindsight, this might be a funny turn in the evolution of k5, but right now I sure wish I was looking AT the petri dish instead of swimming in it. Most of the stuff people here call 'a troll' doesn't really bug me. If something generates discussion even by mistake, it can't be a bad thing. So what if that wasn't some jackass's intent. We might, maybe be better for it. But I don't see this providing anything for anybody.

Who cares if you are a whore? Who cares if you get $12k a day? Who cares if you are a troll? Who cares if some stalker uses your name as some sort of retro-passive stalk? Who cares what you said in those last two paragraphs?

Christ, this is one Kobayashi-Moronic test of fortitude. I give up. I hope EVERYBODY ELSE DOES TOO.

I am my own home. - Banana Yoshimoto

Identity theft (3.85 / 14) (#34)
by driph on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 11:26:11 PM EST

Look people, regardless of your attitude on the matter, this is an identity theft issue that is finally being resolved.

From her homepage:

<html>
<head>
<BASE HREF="http://www.educatedescort.com/">
<!-- I am not Anne Marie on K5 or Slashdot. -->
<!-- I AM Educated Escort on K5. -->
<title>Educated Escort</title>
</head>


When it happens to anyone, it can be quite annoying. When it happens to someone who's name is quite well known, it can be even more destructive. How many people now have a new perception of AM/EE because of the imposter's posts?

Slashdot had this problem with all the Bruce Perens variations(to name just one example), and it has been declared that this is something that won't be tolerated on K5...

--
Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
re: Identity theft (4.50 / 2) (#85)
by codemonkey_uk on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 11:56:46 AM EST

it has been declared that this is something that won't be tolerated on K5...
Has it? By whom?

My opinion aside, it seems to me that while K5 is moving towards accountability and away from anonymity, anonymity is still well supported within the community.
---
Thad
"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell
[ Parent ]

Re: Identity theft (3.50 / 2) (#88)
by driph on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 12:08:50 PM EST

Has it? By whom?
My opinion aside, it seems to me that while K5 is moving towards accountability and away from anonymity, anonymity is still well supported within the community.


It was mentioned in a discussion in the past, I might dig around a bit later to see if I can find anything relevant, that intential copycat uids/theft could/would be deleted...For example, the " Inoshiro" vs "Inoshiro" thing.

Of course, the ideal is to be accountable while remaining anonymous, if the user so chooses(through the use of pseudonyms, for example).. However, what rights does that user have over their fictitious name? Do I have a right to use codemonkey-uk even though I know you've previously identified yourself as codemonkey_uk? Or does intent come into play? Is it a different issue if I post as codemonkey-uk feigning to be codemonkey_uk, rather than both of us just happening to have the same name? What if I choose not to make a distinction either way?

--
Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]
codemonkey_uk (4.00 / 1) (#91)
by codemonkey_uk on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 12:21:37 PM EST

(Thanks for the clarification, re: " Inoshiro" vs "Inoshiro", hrefs would help)

As for the codemonkey-uk thing, I guess it would depend on what the post contained. I can't imagine anyone trying to gain from my non existant reputation, but I can imagine the posibility that somone might take something I wrote the wrong way and try to give me a bad reputation.

I guess that the deciding factor would be the sign off. I always sign off with my name "Thad" and a link to my user page. This to me would be a clear indication of identity theft, and I would not hesitate to contact Rusty et al and get the account killed.

On the other hand, I (think I) can handle a good mocking, if its done in the right spirit. :)
---
Thad
"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell
[ Parent ]

impersonation? (4.33 / 3) (#115)
by Delirium on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 08:14:38 PM EST

I don't see the identity theft angle. Until this posting (which I would've voted -2 on had that been an option) I did not know that somebody named "Anne Marie" ran an escort service. Now I know, but I still do not care. The Anne Marie who has been posting on /. and k5 for a while now has never, to my knowledge, claimed to be the Anne Marie who runs the heretofore-unknown company. Thus, I don't see any issue of impersonation. Hell, "Anne Marie" could also really be named Anne Marie, it's not a unique name.

[ Parent ]
I'll believe you when... (2.18 / 16) (#36)
by iCEBaLM on Sun Jan 07, 2001 at 11:51:54 PM EST

... you go out with me.

(Come on, someone had to say it... It's not like we're gonna get any real conversation out of this anyways.)

-- iCEBaLM

On the other hand.... (3.66 / 3) (#62)
by Mr. Excitement on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 03:10:15 AM EST

...who will believe you? ;-)

1 141900 Mr. Excitement-Bar-Hum-Mal-Cha died in The Gnomish Mines on level 10 [max 12]. Killed by a bolt of lightning - [129]
[ Parent ]
Howdy, y'all! (3.83 / 36) (#42)
by Uneducated Escort on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 12:59:51 AM EST

If y'all are all disappointed that Miss Anne Marie ain't offering her services anymore, I just want to let y'all know that there are alternatives for a good time in the Bay Area.

My name's Sally May, and I just moved here from Jasper, Alabama. I figured I could snag me a rich husband here in Silicon Valley, but found out I could do a lot better as a workin' girl!

I ain't the smartest gal in the world, but if you pay me enough, sugar, I'll listen to anything you have to say about your yoonicks and impy threes. You nerds sure are cute when you go off a-rambling 'bout all those bookish things.

'Course, I know what you guys really want, and this here Southern Belle's got it in spades. People say I look a bit like Daisy Duke, and honey, I shore ain't one to argue 'bout my looks. What the Good Lord left out in brains he shore made up for in other ways, if y'all know what I mean.

So y'all give me a ring at ICQ 3202005694 and we'll see if we can set you up for a little ol' fashioned Southern hospitality. But gentlement only please, I am a lady after all, and wouldn't want to be mistaken for a woman of ill repute. ;-)

You should have misspelled Uneducated. (3.00 / 3) (#63)
by elenchos on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 03:13:33 AM EST

And Escort.

Adequacy.org
[ Parent ]

Escort was a car. (3.00 / 1) (#117)
by eskimo on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 09:30:33 PM EST

C'mon, man. Think!

I am my own home. - Banana Yoshimoto
[ Parent ]

Why voting this down?? (4.75 / 4) (#109)
by shellac on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 05:01:26 PM EST

I feel silly posting this, but seeing as this post made me LOL and then observing the vast discrepancy in voting for this post (people mostly voted 5 or 1), I am at a loss as to why people are voting this down. Either:
  • You feel that humor has no place on k5 - what is your problem? Please remove the stick that is currently up your ass.
  • You don't think it is funny - are you the same people who vote up those annoying ultra-sarcastic posts I've been seeing of late? You should be dragged into the street and shot.
  • You are offended by the stereotyped portrayal of southerners/escorts/people named Sally Mae - you dork.
  • You real login is "Uneducated K5er" - and you think 1 is a good post and 5 is a bad post.
Please fill me in people, I'm really curious about this.


shellac.

[ Parent ]
rotfl (3.00 / 1) (#132)
by StackyMcRacky on Tue Jan 09, 2001 at 04:38:10 PM EST

oh my lord, i am laughing so hard right now that my co-workers all think i'm on crack or something!!!

this is probably one of the funniest things i have read in quite some time!!!


[ Parent ]
Server Says... (4.42 / 26) (#43)
by rusty on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 01:04:17 AM EST

Ok, this is a thin line here, but I'm gonna try to make it clear what I can figure out without violating anytone's privacy or spoiling anyone's fun.

Basically, we know that "Educated Escort" is the one with the website. Her site's source confirms that. Further, I can tell you that while there's no way for me to prove it, the logs *strongly* imply that "Educated Escort" is not "Anne Marie".

Personally, I'm as fascinated by this as many of you are. :-) At the very least it brings to the forefront a lot of interesting questions about what exactly identity is in such a fluid medium. Fascinating stuff. Anyway, welcome, EE. I hope you stick around and enjoy K5 a bit.

____
Not the real rusty

Thank you Rusty (4.44 / 9) (#48)
by Educated Escort on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 01:34:26 AM EST

Thanks Rusty,

Although I know you cannot say for certain. I really am not the "Anne Marie" from this board.

Now if you could just convince Elenchos or whatever his name is that I am not "Kiss the Blade". And I am sure that Kiss is not responding to these posts right now because he is in the UK and sleeping like he should be!

But really, I am not the Anne Marie on this site, not Kiss the Blade and I am "for real" . My site was "for real" and in existence over a year. Thanks again though, It is difficult when people are posing as you and people don't believe you even exist. But thank you,

Anne Marie

"It has become appallingly clear that our technology has surpassed our humanity"

Albert Einstein


[ Parent ]

Us UK people are meant to be asleep... (3.00 / 2) (#54)
by titus-g on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 02:23:58 AM EST

Why does nobody tell me these things?

Anywayz I believe you, evil Anne Marie has a completely different style of writing HTML (and it's definitally evil, s/he always seems to leave a space after the URL and before the " in ta de A HREFs, as well as always putting ta de tags in lower case). Not to mention a different writing writing style.

--"Essentially madness is like charity, it begins at home" --
[ Parent ]

Not to mention.. (4.40 / 5) (#79)
by driph on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 09:39:41 AM EST

..that the evil Anne Marie has a goatee and wears all black! Why hasn't anyone else noticed this?

--
Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]
Brilliant! (3.25 / 4) (#81)
by codemonkey_uk on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 10:53:00 AM EST

Futurama reference!

From Lesser Of Two Evils (2ACV06)
---
Thad
"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell
[ Parent ]

Not a futurama reference (5.00 / 1) (#83)
by squigly on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 11:21:34 AM EST

Well, it is, but its also a south park reference, and a Hercules reference. In South Park at least it was a Star Trek (Mirror, Mirror) reference.

--
People who sig other people have nothing intelligent to say for themselves - anonimouse
[ Parent ]
I'm just hoping /. covers this. (2.33 / 3) (#59)
by Sheepdot on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 02:46:14 AM EST

Not to downplay k5 or nothing, but it'd be neat to see this one on /., course someone would probably fsck up the write-up and mix the two:

"EducatedEscort accused of ruining Anne Marie's reputation on K5".

By the way, I might have narrowed down the ident of "Anne Marie" on here to a good number of people assuming the poster's other account voted -1 on this story and didn't complain about any of "Anne Marie"'s stories in the past.

But still, all are good contributors (a few contribute little), and I don't want to be the first to make accusations. Plus I am guessing the owner of the account has already thrown me off to their real ident by complaing about an "Anne Marie" story. If that is true, I have *no* idea who they are.

And yes, I have time on my hands to do that sort of crap. But right now I really don't care anyway, just bored.


[ Parent ]
For Christ's Sake! (3.00 / 1) (#113)
by arnald on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 07:11:23 PM EST

Well, let me say "WELL DONE" for being so clever!

Why are people being so 'cloak and dagger' about this?
I remember on Slashdot when (the fake) Anne Marie began
posting (shortly after Signal 11 left, which led to the
rumours of their co-incidence). The person behind the
nickname posted on trolltalk regularly; it was quite an
open secret, for anyone with half a clue.

I can remember who it is, but I shan't spoil the fun
everybody seems to be having by revealing "the secret".

Have fun...


[ Parent ]
GOT IT! (3.00 / 1) (#116)
by Sheepdot on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 08:30:32 PM EST

Actually yeah.. figured it out when I got home from work. Finding AM's identity has improved my problem-solving skils. :)


[ Parent ]
rusty says (4.00 / 2) (#69)
by enterfornone on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 05:04:42 AM EST

Perhaps I took you comments the wrong way, but I mentioned in a few other posts in this story that I suspected that you knew who Anne Marie was. For the record I was referring to this and this.

--
efn 26/m/syd
Will sponsor new accounts for porn.
[ Parent ]
I do, sort of (4.50 / 2) (#71)
by rusty on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 06:09:15 AM EST

I know at least one other pseudonym that Anne Marie uses. That's not really the same as knowing "who it is". And it isn't at all the same as knowing whether or not "Anne Marie" is "Educated Escort". Hence my speculation on the matter

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Don't be so certain... (3.42 / 7) (#110)
by slashfucker on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 05:20:59 PM EST

We know that SELECT * FROM K5.USERS WHERE NICK IS "Educated Escort" has write access to www.educatedescort.com. Again, more fluidity of identity.

I've started an outline to try to keep track of things, feel free to cut and paste and add to it if there are any hypotheses I have missed.

  1. Educated Escort is/was a legitimate online presence for RL Anne Marie's escort service.
    1. www.educatedescort.com was the inspiration for a nom de troll on Slashdot, and later on k5.
      1. The RL Anne Marie caught wind of these activities via HTTP-REFERERs in her website's logs, or word of mouth.
        1. "Educated Escort" is the RL Anne Marie, trying to defend her reputation.
        2. Our troll is in cahoots with RL Anne Marie, who allowed the tags to be added to the page (Maybe a /. troll paid for a date?)
      2. The RL Anne Marie has no idea about these activities.
      3. .
        1. The troll behind /. and k5 "Anne Marie" also is k5 "Educated Escort," and is taking us for an even wilder ride.
          1. Our troll is also talented enough to r00t www.educatedescort.com and add the HTML comments regarding "Educated Escort's" identity.
          2. Our troll is www.educatedescort.com's webmaster.
    2. "Educated Escort" is the RL Anne Marie, who is a professional escort and a cunning troll in her spare time.
  2. Educated Escort is/was an elaborate media troll.
    1. Salon bit hard on the troll.
      1. The Salon writer was trying to add credibility by talking about a RL meeting with Anne Marie.
      2. The troll was replete with RL actors, just like a classic Skaggs hoax.

Thank you for your time.

Love,
Slashfucker

[ Parent ]

perhaps a small piece of advice ....? (3.28 / 7) (#53)
by streetlawyer on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 02:22:22 AM EST

If you are attempting to run a business, and you are no longer working as an escort, you might find it a worthwhile investment to shell out the fifty bucks for a domain name which does not contain the word "escort"? Unless of course, your business idea involves the importation of Ford Escorts, in which case I suppose I'm sorry.

--
Just because things have been nonergodic so far, doesn't mean that they'll be nonergodic forever
Hmm actually after reading this article (3.50 / 4) (#56)
by titus-g on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 02:27:52 AM EST

I went out to try and educate my Escort Van, it just sat there sullenly ignoring me, much the same as it does when I try to start it when I have to be somewhere in a hurry.

Then what do I know, maybe it was just manifesting it's P'u nature.

--"Essentially madness is like charity, it begins at home" --
[ Parent ]

escorts (2.00 / 1) (#114)
by malikcoates on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 07:27:41 PM EST

streetlawyer, question for you.

What do $12,000 a day escorts do when they retire?

CLUE: I think she may want to keep the domain name



[ Parent ]

Give her a break (3.55 / 9) (#66)
by onyxruby on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 03:35:15 AM EST

I understand some people are paranoid about someone pulling a fast one on them, but this is ridiculous. I did a search on Google and found numerous cached articles about her and her site dating back through all of last year. This was not that hard to do, and I'm surprised all the skeptics didn't do this on their own. I'd link to my findings but someone would accuse me of doctoring them.

She's had a bad case of identity theft, and it has gotten annoying after all this time. I'm sure it was flattering at first, but would you want to put up with all the junk emails from it? She's even commented on this directly on her site. What more do you want her to do?

Do you really think she went back that many months, had that many reviews, ran her "service" and everything else just so she could pose as "Anne Marie" on Slashdot and K5? Paranoid people of the world unite, we're conspiring against you!

The moon is covered with the results of astronomical odds.

Anne Marie is not "Educated Escort" (4.38 / 13) (#72)
by Potsy on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 06:25:13 AM EST

As others have pointed out, just look at the HTML source for the educatedescort.com website:
<!-- I am not Anne Marie on K5 or Slashdot. -->
<!-- I AM Educated Escort on K5. -->

Despite some people's attempt to spread the myth that Anne Marie on K5 & /. and the "educated escort" lady are one and the same, they are not. In fact, a few months ago, there were posts in /.'s trolltalk sid describing how educatedescort.com was part of the inspiration (the name only?) for the Anne Marie trolls, but it was definitely not being done by the same person.

Rusty has said that someone on IRC asked him if they could use the K5 "Anne Marie" account, and he gave it to them (although after all the story submissions started, he said he was beginning to regret doing so). In any case, I don't know if it's the same person who owns the account on /., but I'm 99% sure that it's one of the trolltalkers, the only question being which one.

A fine bunch of geeks you all are! :) (4.00 / 9) (#84)
by jabber on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 11:50:50 AM EST

It's really not that hard to write a few scripts that will crawl all over K5 stories, posts and diaries, looking for references to a particular name - is it? Doing so would, hypothetically of course, show some interesting patterns of who replies to whom in which fora/diary and who marks whom up or down (thanks for that info Rusty).

Such a script set would - theoretically of course - show where the lines of animosity are drawn, when certain induhviduals post during the day (from work) and evening (from home) (implying the same person with multiple names, when compared to the post rating consistency) and who's who in the little Mojo circle-jerks we have going on around here.

Yes, such a set of tools would be a bit challenging to write, but it would be good exercise, and I'm sure would lead to some interesting insights into K5, /., and various other sites.

[TINK5C] |"Is K5 my kapusta intellectual teddy bear?"| "Yes"

Wow, way to prove that K5 isn't /. (4.13 / 38) (#86)
by TrentC on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 12:02:10 PM EST

People, we have a front page story where a poster on K5 and /. is complaining about being mistaken for another poster on K5 and /. because one's given name happens to coincide with the other's username. At least as bad as Slashdot is, such a thing wouldn't progress beyond a (5, Informative) comment in the relevant threads.

Anne Marie (whoops, to be clear, "EducatedEscort"), I'm sorry that this person is causing you so much grief, but until this story I had never heard of you. And even if I did come across your website, I wouldn't have automatically assumed "aha, that obnoxious K5/Slashdot troll has her own page!"

If K5 is going to become a bunch of obnoxious self-referential claptrap (in addition to this story, we have another story about trolling and not one, not two, but three stories by the alleged troll him/her/itself, all on the front page) then maybe I need to cut my losses.

Look, communista had a good point in her story: find valid reasons to vote the stories down, vote them down, and give your reasons. But all the rampant troll-hunting on K5 is going to do is drag down the quality of discussion on K5 even further. "Oh, no, there's that obnoxious troll again! Instead of taking the bait and writing a 2-paragraph reply pointing out how they're wrong, I'm going to write a 2-paragraph reply exposing the evil troll to all the world!"

In other words:

YHSBT. (You have still been trolled.) YHLA. (You have lost anyway.) HAND. (Have a nice day.)

Jay (=



"Anne Marie" (3.12 / 8) (#87)
by davidduncanscott on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 12:06:49 PM EST

You know, I can understand thinking that the AM on /. might be the AM on k5 -- they are similar communities with a great deal of overlap -- but why would anybody particularly think that Educated Escort would be the same Anne Marie? Does anybody wonder if Rusty is Rusty Wallace?

Good Lord, how many Anne Maries are there in the world? It's not a terribly uncommon name. I knew an Anne-Marie in high school, for instance, and I have absolutely no reason to think that any of these people is she. For that matter, a quick Google search for "Anne Marie" gives me 15 different last names in the first 20 entries.

Hmmm -- is Boy George just an alter ego of George W. Bush?

Origins (3.00 / 2) (#90)
by titus-g on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 12:16:34 PM EST

I think there was some link way back when, maybe an article on the the Educated Escort site, and then 'Anne Marie' started posting?

Hmm actually rusty is _really_ Rusty Cundieff he just tries to keep it quiet to avoid the lynch mobs hunting him for writing House Party II, although I always thought Fear of a Black Hat made up for it...

--"Essentially madness is like charity, it begins at home" --
[ Parent ]

The name "Anne Marie"... (2.00 / 2) (#92)
by shirobara on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 12:54:48 PM EST

My boss is an intelligent techie person whose name is Anne Marie. When Anne Marie the Slashdot poster started showing up, I wondered for a while if that Anne Marie was my boss. I kept scanning her monitor whenever I was in her office talking to her, but she never had slashdot open, so I've abandoned the notion. Plus I don't think she has as much free time as the slashdot/k5 Anne Marie ^_^



[ Parent ]
Why don't you ask him? (1.60 / 5) (#101)
by Quark on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 02:54:31 PM EST

Do you really want to hurt me? Do you really want to make me cry?

So much bandwidth, so little time...
[ Parent ]
Why is this frontpage stuff? (3.95 / 20) (#93)
by Eloquence on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 12:57:08 PM EST

I've seen a lot of interesting stories voted section-only and being ignored by most people. I can live with that. But why is a meta-troll-story like this getting voted to the front page? It must be some evil plot by superintelligent mice or something. Please say it ain't so. Is this the impression we want to leave with first-time-visitors who are looking for a site above the average? "Will the real Anne Marie please stand up"?

Again, I think the best thing at this point -- also in the interest of the "real" AM -- would be to rename the K5 account. This has gone too far.
--
Copyright law is bad: infoAnarchy Pleasure is good: Origins of Violence
spread the word!

because (3.00 / 1) (#108)
by mwa on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 05:00:21 PM EST

of this thread from yesterday...

[ Parent ]
Identity theft (5.00 / 1) (#131)
by Sheepdot on Tue Jan 09, 2001 at 12:26:25 PM EST

Not intentional, not malicious, but identity theft nonetheless. I'd hate if it happened to me, so I voted it up. This will probably be the only story I vote up about the whole debacle, and after this I'm done.


[ Parent ]
How to solve this (3.72 / 11) (#94)
by dennis on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 12:59:06 PM EST

On your site, post a public PGP key. Digitally sign your posts. On your site, mention that this is your practice, and ask people to verify the signature before assuming it's you.

It would be nice if sites like kuro5hin had support built-in for this sort of thing. Instead of putting the signature in the message text, you could press a button which brings up a new window, plain text, with the pgp clearsigned message. At that point it's pretty easy to use pgp to verify the sig, once the key is imported to the keyring from the website.

But even without that sorta thing, plenty of people clearsign their posts. If you want you could even refuse emails not encrypted to your public key--that way you're only getting mail from people that you know have the ability to check your signatures.

You can't prove a negative (3.00 / 3) (#98)
by itsbruce on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 02:04:34 PM EST

On your site, post a public PGP key. Digitally sign your posts. On your site, mention that this is your practice, and ask people to verify the signature before assuming it's you.

That would prove that the "Educated Escort" posts were by "Educated Escort". It would not prove that the "Anne Marie" posts were not by "Educated Escort". I have a PGP key but I didn't use it to sign this post. By your logic, this post can't have been written by me. Whoever I am.


--

It is impolite to tell a man who is carrying you on his shoulders that his head smells.
[ Parent ]
True but irrelevant (2.00 / 2) (#100)
by dennis on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 02:18:38 PM EST

It also wouldn't prove that Anonymous Coward posts were not by Anne Marie. Or that I'm not Anne Marie. So what?

If she is posting under her own name, she wants to make some public statements which are correctly attributed to her. Using a key gives her a way to do that, across multiple accounts and sites. She is still perfectly free to make anonymous or pseudonymous statements, as she should be.

[ Parent ]

Ah, but... (4.00 / 2) (#103)
by itsbruce on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 03:02:12 PM EST

If she is posting under her own name, she wants to make some public statements which are correctly attributed to her.

But this story is all about her desire not to have statements incorrectly attributed to her;)


--

It is impolite to tell a man who is carrying you on his shoulders that his head smells.
[ Parent ]
Indeed (4.00 / 1) (#138)
by dennis on Wed Jan 10, 2001 at 09:04:25 AM EST

Anyone can attribute anything to anyone, if they don't require any factual basis. To make it really work, she would have to note on her website that she doesn't post without signing. Of course it would be easier to just say "my account on slashdot is x, my account on k5 is y" as someone else suggested...but my way's cooler. ;> Also, of course, as I mentioned, she could ignore all emails not encrypted to her public key, thus filtering out anyone who can't verify that the post they're emailing about is really from her. Which solves her primary problem, getting tons of email from angry slashdotters responding to impersonators.

[ Parent ]
Difference between "escort" and "pr (3.44 / 9) (#95)
by Xenophon Fenderson, the Carbon(d)ated on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 01:37:36 PM EST

So just what exactly is the difference between being an escort and being a prostitute? I was under the (apparently mistaken) impression than "escort" was just a more polite name for the same job.



--
Rev. Dr. Xenophon Fenderson, the Carbon(d)ated, KSC, mhm21x16, and the Patron Saint of All Things Plastic fnord
I'm proud of my Northern Tibetian heritage!
Escort vs Prostitute (4.75 / 4) (#97)
by driph on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 02:01:30 PM EST

While they tend to overlap at times, they aren't the same thing.. Oftentimes an escort is just that; for a certain sum of money she accompanies the client wherever s/he happens to be going. Sometimes the arrangement may involve sex or something sexual, but not always...

And, $12k/day isnt an unheard of sum of money for that, either. You'd be surprised what people with the money will pay just for company.



--
Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]
of course (3.75 / 4) (#106)
by enterfornone on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 04:05:37 PM EST

There are no prostitutes in the US (except Nevada I think) they are all escorts. "Money paid is for companionship only and anything else that happens is a private matter between consenting adults".

--
efn 26/m/syd
Will sponsor new accounts for porn.
[ Parent ]
pretty much (4.25 / 4) (#107)
by enterfornone on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 04:12:24 PM EST

This link might give you some sort of idea of the target market.

Personally if an adult who's right in the head and not on drugs wants to do sex work then I say more power to them. You would think in this age of sexual freedom we would accept that sort of thing, but it seems too many expect all women to be good virginal brides.

--
efn 26/m/syd
Will sponsor new accounts for porn.
[ Parent ]

This is Bullshit. (2.00 / 23) (#96)
by No More Mr Nice Guy on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 01:44:46 PM EST

Okay, firstly, no one has trademarked the name 'Anne Marie'. K5/slashdot Anne Marie has never claimed to be the educated escort. Take your vendetta elsewhere. Its like claiming to be 'The One and only John Smith'.

Secondly, as you have discovered with the accusations of your being 'Kiss the Blade', if you engage people who accuse you of being something, you only feed the rumor.

I don't know or care if you are 'Kiss the Blade', but it does seem like a possibility - this is just the sort of thing he would do, and you share many similarities. But the point is, if you argue with me about this, you are just reinforcing the rumors. That is why Anne Marie never attacks those who accuse her of being someone else, whether it be Signal 11, Enterfornone, the so-called 'real' Anne Marie (why everyone has latched onto this I don't know - why not Anne Marie of Paris, or Anne Marie of Kentucky, or any one of a million other Anne Maries), Tewl, whoever.

You don't have a monopoly on the name 'Anne Marie'. Who knows, who cares. What do you hope to accomplish from this? Go Away.

Look's like YOU'RE the fake Anne Marie (4.33 / 3) (#111)
by clemski on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 06:55:58 PM EST

Um, let's see "Mr. nice guy" In your whole history you have posted two comments. One saying how great Anne Marie the troll is, and how we should support her and now one other one in defense of again (guess who) Anne Marie. Going on how she can have any name she wants. I bet if they check the logs they will see that YOU are Anne Marie and You should really leave Educated Escort and the rest of the people alone.

And have you read the comments here? As one person pointed out there are hundreds of URL's articles, reviews written over the last year and a half when you do a search on Educated Escort. You think Kiss the Blade has been working for over a year on creating a woman so he could post about it on HERE? Please.

And also Anne Marie (or should I say YOU) has three, count them THREE stories on the front board. She (you) tries to stir up controversy continiously. As Educated said; Anne Marie denied she was a man any time she was accused but never EVER denied being Educated Escort. Therefore denying one thing and then not the other made people assume she is.

Also she (or you) GOT the name off the other girl because when the Educated Escort started getting the press is when suddenly "Anne Marie" took that name. It was obviously because she (or you) was trying to impersonate the girl.

Sure, you can have any name you want, but it would be like if I said I was Mel Gibson on here. Educated Escort was obviously well known on Slashdot (They did an article about her site) so this TROLL Anne Marie (or you) was just trying to cash in on Anne Marie /Educated Escort's fame and still is!

[ Parent ]

Anne Marie (3.00 / 1) (#112)
by malikcoates on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 07:01:22 PM EST

I'm not sure when Anne Marie started posting on the other site, but I first noticed her in response to one of the educated escort articles. Several people asked if she was the educated escort and from the articles it seemed like she was. Given that the educated escort reads slashdot, signs her writing as Anne Marie and the context of the post it seemed authentic enough at the time. seems It was never a guaranteed thing and I don't think Anne Marie ever claimed to be the educated escort.

After reading her comments over time it became obvious to me that whoever was writing Anne Marie either was never an escort, or was a really messed up individual. Most of the escorts I've known have been somewhat messed up individuals so this didn't really rule her out. Anyway, I for one am glad to hear this because it's something I was curious about.

[ Parent ]

Pictures? (2.30 / 10) (#99)
by moonboy on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 02:18:02 PM EST

I didn't hear about the site back when all of the hubub was going on. How about pictures of Anne Marie? Anyone have some? Links to some?

----------------

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein

article with link to picture (2.00 / 2) (#102)
by alprazolam on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 03:01:50 PM EST

click the link that says picture

[ Parent ]
Bzzzt! Thanks for playing. (4.50 / 4) (#105)
by elenchos on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 03:52:53 PM EST

That's Veronica, not Anne Marie.

Here's some photos with (warning) some nudity, and another with the undoctored Salon photo.

Adequacy.org
[ Parent ]

Not that brainy... (3.20 / 5) (#119)
by Jah-Wren Ryel on Tue Jan 09, 2001 at 12:03:54 AM EST

Either she's being coy, or she's just a wannabe nerd, on the linked site she says, "HTML is a bitch to learn."

Not to sound like an elitist geek or anything, but come on. Anyone who has any claim to understanding any of the technical underpinnings of the web knows that HTML is trivial stuff, if you can use a word processor, you can do raw HTML tags.

I've known girls that sound a lot like she does -- pretty, vivacious, slightly above average IQ, decent liberal arts education, a little self-important and convinced that their mastery of something basic like MS Word or Adobe Pagemaker makes them a super nerd, when in fact they really have no comprehension that they've barely scratched the surface. They tend to be a lot of fun and have no shortage of friends (usually 'yes'-men who will raptly agree with whatever they say in the vain hope of getting into their pants), but they live in their own world that only roughly maps to what most of us experience.

[ Parent ]
hehe... it is a bitch... to look how you want (4.33 / 3) (#139)
by naasking on Wed Jan 10, 2001 at 09:19:56 AM EST

I don't think anyone will dispute the fact that getting HTML to display properly in all browsers IS difficult(beyond the simplest of pages I mean). Perhaps that's what she was referring to?


[ Parent ]
Not that brainy... (4.50 / 4) (#148)
by elenchos on Wed Jan 10, 2001 at 10:19:32 PM EST

I've known boys that sound a lot like he does -- plain, boorish, slightly above average IQ, decent technical education, a little self-important and convinced that their mastery of something basic like JavaScript or Visual C++ makes them a super nerd, when in fact they really have no comprehension that they've barely scratched the surface. They tend to be a not lot of fun and have a shortage of friends (usually lonely geeks who will raptly agree with whatever they say in the vain hope of having real friendship), but they live in their own world that only roughly maps to what most of us experience.

Adequacy.org
[ Parent ]

I know the fake anne marie... (3.91 / 12) (#118)
by shoeboy on Mon Jan 08, 2001 at 11:03:02 PM EST

The fake anne marie is a friend of mine.
And you, educated escort are no fake anne marie.

You are, however, something of a media whore in your own right so I don't feel too bad about your problems.
The whole "I was out looking for attention and thanks to the actions of a lone troll I got more than I bargained for" angle just isn't tugging at the old heartstrings.
I'd love to feel sorry for you but I just can't.

And if you feel that you're the only one getting this treatment, I'd like to point out that this guy isn't really RMS, and that Rusty Foster on /. isn't our Rusty.

==Shoeboy


No more trolls!
But... (3.00 / 2) (#133)
by joe_nobody on Tue Jan 09, 2001 at 04:46:04 PM EST

I thought you were the real fake Anne Marie. Or the fake real Anne Marie. Anyway, how come all the good trolls are posting more on k5. /. is no fun without the trolls. Maybe I should start trolling for Signal 11...

[ Parent ]
not me (2.33 / 3) (#134)
by shoeboy on Tue Jan 09, 2001 at 05:32:01 PM EST

I'm definitely not anne marie.
I also still troll on /., check my posting history.

As far as why all the trolls are here, it's because we like the site. It's still small enough for Rusty to be heavily involved, the submission queue is great (though I could do without anne marie and siggy's stories) and the discussions are more interesting. You'll note that almost of the true trolls (signall 11 isn't one of us) don't troll here - we actually try to contribute.
Sometimes old habits die hard though.
--Shoeboy

No more trolls!
[ Parent ]
Ahhh aren't you lucky? (4.50 / 2) (#143)
by Educated Escort on Wed Jan 10, 2001 at 06:58:09 PM EST

Ahh shoebox shoeboy, whatever it is,

How sweet of you to use that good ole Anti Dan Quayle line. I sure aint no fake Anne Marie.

Well, I think the fake Anne Marie is pretty smart. But I certainly don't want people thinking I am her (ahem him, whatever) posting as a troll on a board so I cleared my name. I know you needed to get in your name in all the hype though.

Salon.com (I think i'm on the front page still with the new piece) still wants to write more about all this --maybe you can call them shoebox and have your fifteen seconds of fame you so baaaadly deserve :) Anne Marie

"It has become appallingly clear that our technology has surpassed our humanity"

Albert Einstein


[ Parent ]

Don't you worry about me (1.10 / 10) (#144)
by shoeboy on Wed Jan 10, 2001 at 07:18:07 PM EST

I'm already quite famous.

I'm glad that you've cleared your name, but it won't last. I'll bet any sum you care to wager that I can get slashbots believing the old "Anne Marie is Educated Escort" line.

--Shoeboy

No more trolls!
[ Parent ]
You didn't dupe me that time :) (3.00 / 1) (#147)
by Educated Escort on Wed Jan 10, 2001 at 10:06:23 PM EST

Sorry ShoeboX,

Before clicking on the url I obviously can see that it is the ole goat sex trick. I already fell for that back on my slashdot days when people were trying to link MY name (not the other Anne Marie's but EE's name) to that photo to dupe me.

Good try though.

Lovingly,

Anne Marie

"It has become appallingly clear that our technology has surpassed our humanity"

Albert Einstein


[ Parent ]

you just don't get it (2.50 / 4) (#149)
by shoeboy on Wed Jan 10, 2001 at 10:44:46 PM EST

That wasn't a trick, it is actually MY ass.
email the nice folks at hick.org if you don't believe me.
--Shoeboy

No more trolls!
[ Parent ]
Goat Post & Moderation Question: (4.33 / 3) (#150)
by elenchos on Wed Jan 10, 2001 at 10:48:56 PM EST

I assume goat posts are an automatic zero, no matter if the rest of the content has any value or not?

Adequacy.org
[ Parent ]

It might not be proper to post comment ..... (3.83 / 6) (#120)
by Educated Escort on Tue Jan 09, 2001 at 12:08:16 AM EST

It might not be proper to post under my own thread, but just wanted to say that I am glad I have been able to at least clear my name on K5 and glad to help get the publicity for the site on the article Salon.com wrote today about k5 and myself.

Thank you,

Anne Marie

"It has become appallingly clear that our technology has surpassed our humanity"

Albert Einstein


Posting under your own story. (4.33 / 6) (#126)
by nospoon on Tue Jan 09, 2001 at 08:06:00 AM EST

It is a GOOD thing to post comments under your own story, I get frustrated at the people that post a controversial story then don't comment on the questions raised from it, like the other Anne Marie.


'Desire that is Friday'
[ Parent ]
more publicity != better k5 (4.50 / 2) (#137)
by shellac on Wed Jan 10, 2001 at 01:49:01 AM EST

Things on K5 seem fine as they are. How is publicity a good thing?

I mean, this could end up attracting new readers who end up writing great pulitzer prize-winning posts. You know, stuff about things besides clearing names up.

Or you could attract an army of escorts who decide to post and vote up articles about the current market for she-male escorts, single vs double-headed dildoes, how to avoid herpes infections etc.

Well actually those kinds of posts might be interesting too.... anyhow.... you see my point. Publicity has destroyed many good things. It brought nasty people to slashdot and caused kurt cobain to shoot himself. It causes bands, websites, and artists to sell-out and become lame. So until I hear rusty complain that he needs more ad revenue, please no publicity. No need to stir the pot.


shellac.

[ Parent ]

For the record (2.33 / 9) (#122)
by DonkPunch on Tue Jan 09, 2001 at 01:38:05 AM EST

I'm still the real DonkPunch.

You want my opinion? Well, here it is anyway. (1.81 / 11) (#124)
by kitten on Tue Jan 09, 2001 at 03:13:45 AM EST

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

I can't believe this self-righteous nonsense got front-page posting.

mirrorshades radio - darkwave, synthpop, industrial, futurepop.
Uhmm (3.30 / 10) (#127)
by ejf on Tue Jan 09, 2001 at 09:32:13 AM EST

Hi.

My name's Eike.

No, not that crazy poster on the Madmanboard 2000 you all know. No. Eike. You know. That Eike from Eike's Homepage. Yeah. That one. The one who doesn't gain a bit from this comment. Yeah. The one that didn't do escorting (yeah, he's a guy, so never mind).

Uhmm. I just wanted to clear up that it is really me. Eike. You know. The Eike you all love and hold dear. The one that makes your day shine bright. No. Not one of those > 100 Eike's from my town, not even one of the thousands in this world. No. The Real Eike (tm). (be sure to stay tuned to what I do next -- It'll be a real screamer !).

Oh. This is about Anne ? What Anne ? Oh. I understand. Anne Marie. What Anne Marie ? Oh. Yes. Glad you told me. EducatedEscort.Com. Err. What Anne was that ? I haven't ever heard about her. And that's sad, since after all, I'm Eike. I should know. And she should know me. Yes, since I'm Eike.

Yours Sincerely,
Eike. Or maybe not the real Eike but just an imposter. But who really cares ?

PS : Could anybody please sum up, in as few words as possible, who Anne Marie Escort is ? I read Slashdot and Kuro5Hin but have never even heard a bit of her. Unlike me, whom I have heard a lot from. Ooops. Sorry. I tend to overemply sarcasm sometimes.

--- men are reasoning, not reasonable animals.
Who? (5.00 / 1) (#135)
by Elendale on Tue Jan 09, 2001 at 06:12:16 PM EST

The anne marie who has been posting around here is a rather famous troll from /. who seems to have made his/her home here. Educated Escort appears to be the real anne marie (or perhaps, more appropriately: someone called anne marie) who lately has been recieving flamage from the K5 crowd. She's letting us know that we need not fill her inbox with "You sux! go away!" messages anymore.

-Elendale (have you been recieving hatemail from k5?)
---

When free speech is outlawed, only criminals will complain.


[ Parent ]
You want proof?!? (2.50 / 2) (#140)
by naasking on Wed Jan 10, 2001 at 09:35:20 AM EST

I hear everyone screaming for proof because this whole article is still somewhat inconclusive/unconvincing(other people's words and opinions, not mine).

So they want to establish identity. Everyone seems to think server logs, tracing, digital signatures etc. are the way to prove who's who. Umm... hello? McFly? Let's stick with a simple solution shall we?

Call her for Christ's sake! Come on people! If the real Anne Marie has a business then I'm sure she has a phone contact. Give her a damn call and have her settle who she really is once and for all(since you're all so interested in this issue). I'm sure she'll be thrilled with the prospect of burying this issue and clearing out her inbox(and reducing the load on her mail server ;-) ).

I doubt highly that "Anne Marie"(the supposed imposter) would be able to highjack the phone lines. If he/she did, then posing as Anne Marie on /. and k5 is the least of his/her problems(the bigger problems being mental and a lack of a serious life).

I suppose Rusty would have to do it since he's the only impartial one here. There you go Rusty! Call her up! Set ya up nice didn't I? ;-)


Actually, she called me. (4.00 / 2) (#141)
by elenchos on Wed Jan 10, 2001 at 04:01:39 PM EST

Which proves that there exists a person with a female voice who says it's all true. Same with the emails she has sent me. You can't call the EE business any more; she's retired, remember? If the two news articles about her are true, they only prove that the reporters met with a woman in person who says it's all true. They did not confirm her story with a single other person, such as one of her tricks, even off the record. All those other supposed search engine hits about Anne Marie-EE are either references back to the two articles, or to her old personal ads, or one of the several other internet escorts who also go by the name Anne Marie.

I could call back the number she gave me, but that would again only prove that a female exists at this number who says it's true.

Keep those suggestions coming though; with respect to figuring out Educated Escort. Anne Marie-K. has been identified, though not to me. I never cared who she is. I'm trying to figure out Anne Marie-EE.

Adequacy.org
[ Parent ]

Find the old number (I only had one) in my ads! (4.50 / 2) (#142)
by Educated Escort on Wed Jan 10, 2001 at 06:52:34 PM EST

And if you call it and leave a message I'll call you back. Elenchos posted several old ads that were linked to my site. they have a number. call it! It was the only one i ever had. and no i won't be seeing any more clients but sure, i will call back to confirm something like this. i don't mind posting this because I know not many will have the nerve to call. (I probably wouldnt if I were you) but go ahead.

Yes, elenchos and i will talk one of these days and I did enjoy talking to lb (on the PHONE about irc) and chatting with Rusty and KTB and the "Other" ANne Marie and a few others.

Have to catch up with the new threads on this thing now,

As Elenchos pointed out it isn't polite to only read stuff about me. How COULD I? (GasP) :) AM

"It has become appallingly clear that our technology has surpassed our humanity"

Albert Einstein


[ Parent ]

Still not the point (4.00 / 1) (#146)
by naasking on Wed Jan 10, 2001 at 07:28:36 PM EST

That still wouldn't prove anything besides the fact that (like elenchos said) there is a woman on the other end claiming to be the real Anne Marie who has the nick Educated Escort on Kuro5hin. Linking old numbers on personal pages and talking to a woman is certainly compelling evidence, but in no way conclusive.

In my previous post, I was simply trying to say that it's possible to prove that Educated Escort is not the "Anne Marie" imposter by calling you(given that Educated Escort is an honest person). There is no way to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Educated Escort is the real Anne Marie that caused all this hoopla in the first place(that I can presently think of).



[ Parent ]
but......... (2.00 / 2) (#151)
by Educated Escort on Wed Jan 10, 2001 at 11:30:23 PM EST

Rusty knows the other Anne Marie and has talked with them and with me and knows we are not the same person. Annemarie

"It has become appallingly clear that our technology has surpassed our humanity"

Albert Einstein


[ Parent ]

Uncle!!! (3.00 / 3) (#152)
by elenchos on Thu Jan 11, 2001 at 12:04:10 AM EST

Yes, Anne Marie, you talked me into it. You are real, you are who you say you are. It's all true.

Well, no. Some things about you are not 100% true, but they are not lies. They are socially acceptable misinformation and polite fictions that you are fully entitled to.

I concede.

Adequacy.org
[ Parent ]

but yet again... (3.00 / 1) (#154)
by naasking on Thu Jan 11, 2001 at 01:47:37 PM EST

I don't know that... and... so you say. How can I be sure? Difficult, aren't I? :-)

(sorry, I just get such a kick out of hassling people)

[ Parent ]
Confused... (5.00 / 1) (#145)
by naasking on Wed Jan 10, 2001 at 07:18:42 PM EST

Could you clarify something? Why are you specifically trying to find out who Educated Escort really is? I don't think that's really necessary at all.

The only serious issue that I'm aware of, is the fact that Educated Escorts' inbox is being flooded with mail because people think she's "Anne Marie"(the supposed imposter). So all that's required to resolve this situation is proof that Educated Escortis not "Anne Marie"(imposter) .

I don't think there is any valid way to accertain the true identity of Educated Escort or "Anne Marie" with absolute certainty. The only people in the know are the people in control of the nicks.

Granted, if this is all a big hoax perpetrated by the same person posing who is posting with both nicks, then she/he needs a more worthwhile activity. Might I helpfully suggest running head first into a wall. It would certainly be more productive.

[ Parent ]
Ho hum. (1.00 / 1) (#156)
by Seumas on Fri Jan 12, 2001 at 10:32:50 PM EST

I happened to catch a couple photos of this girl. While not ugly by any means, she's more or less your average slender blonde girl. This one just happens to be a little geeky. She's not my physical type in the least and from the little of her's that I've read, she seems perhaps a little pretentious. However, since I don't know here, my statement may be a little presumptuous.

What I do know, is that if she weighed 200lbs, had short hair, a poor complexion and yellow-teeth, nobody would give any attention to either her comments or the 'false' poster parading in her name.

In short, what I am saying is who cares?
--
I just read K5 for the articles.
[ Parent ]

Seumas, Seumas, Seumas............. (3.50 / 2) (#158)
by Educated Escort on Sat Jan 13, 2001 at 03:19:49 AM EST

I have been asking myself the same question for a long time. Why does everyone care? Why does Kuro5hin care? Why does Salon slashdot and slate care enough to write about it all?

I am glad you have deemed me "not ugly by any means" and yes,I am slender tall and blonde. But hate to think of myself as average. But then again, does anyone?

You ask Pretentious? Nahhh, not at all. It's just wit; kind of a tongue in cheek style. That's all.

You have made a valid point though that if I were 200 lbs and bad complexion etc that fewer people would care about all this. And I think you are right.

But as Educated Escort closes her doors and her new project begins to be a spokes model for the "geeks" then isn't it a good thing she is not a 200 lb poor complected gal? I mean isn't it a good thing to break the stereoype of what people so often refer as nerdy? I always believe in breaking the rules. I don't know if anyone has seen a truly sexy nerd before.

Cindy Margolis isn't much more than a slender blonde with no brains and she is a star and the most downloaded woman ever on the internet. Her site will point you to the Guinness book of world records stats on that.

So wouldn't it be better to have someone who is at least a good representative of nerds out there giving Cindy bimbo Margolis some competition? Us slender tall blondes are so often stereotyped to be the Pamela Andersons of the world. And I want to change that Godammit. And I will.

By the way I liked your auctioned goth items. I think I have most everyone you had listed. Pretty similar taste. I wasn't always an average blonde. Used be blue haired goth with way too much leather. Have a nice day. Anne Marie


"It has become appallingly clear that our technology has surpassed our humanity"

Albert Einstein


[ Parent ]

The original site (3.00 / 1) (#153)
by Derci on Thu Jan 11, 2001 at 09:53:11 AM EST

Is there some place that has copies of the original site? I really want to see how it was like - and to see Anne's picture too...

That's a very cool idea too. Educated escort. I had a crush on a linux girl, 3 years ago.. because of her I started getting into linux, and that's why I got my current job. That girl ignores me now, for some unknown reason. :(

Yaron, in a very depressing state of mind.

Pictures (5.00 / 1) (#155)
by spiralx on Fri Jan 12, 2001 at 08:00:26 AM EST

The original site has gone into the ether AFAIK, but this interview has some pictures if you're interested, as does this page.

You're doomed, I'm doomed, we're all doomed for ice cream. - Bob Aboey
[ Parent ]

Cheer up Derci :)) (4.00 / 1) (#157)
by Educated Escort on Sat Jan 13, 2001 at 02:53:16 AM EST

Don't worry with the new site I will have there will be chat rooms and all sorts of ways to meet REAL LIVE actual sexy geeks! Maybe even a nerd dating service. Wouldn't THAT be cool?

Anne Marie


"It has become appallingly clear that our technology has surpassed our humanity"

Albert Einstein


[ Parent ]

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