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It's Time for the Inevitable

By Mister Smith in Meta
Thu Aug 02, 2001 at 09:04:51 AM EST
Tags: Kuro5hin.org (all tags)

Everyone says that the Web is all about porn. It's time for K5 to get with the program.

Depending on who you ask, anywhere from a tenth to a third of the traffic on the Internet these days is porn. While nobody seems to have any proof to go with these apocryphal statements, I don't see why we should let that get in the way of progress.

Heck, we're already on our way. This morning, while looking through the queue, two out of the six stories were in some way about sex.

I guess there's our proof about 1/3 of the 'net being adult-oriented...

Both of these stories were filed under "Culture." While sex certainly is a large part of American culture, I think it's something bigger still. Sex transcends culture. It also transcends Technology, Freedom & Politics, Media, News...

(There's a pattern forming here.)

In short: Sex needs its own section, right up there in the page header, probably between Internet and Op-Ed (though I'm flexible about its exact location).


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Does "Sex" really need its own section?
o Yes! 27%
o Maybe a category, but not a section 36%
o No! 36%

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It's Time for the Inevitable | 29 comments (29 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Definitely! (4.00 / 11) (#1)
by nurglich on Wed Aug 01, 2001 at 01:30:52 PM EST

It should go between the "Anarchy" and "Bitching About DMCA" sections though.

"There are no bad guys or innocent guys. There's just a bunch of guys!" --Ben Stiller, Zero Effect

Don't forget (4.00 / 5) (#2)
by Arkady on Wed Aug 01, 2001 at 01:44:15 PM EST

the "Capitalist Theology" and "Corporate Boosterism" Sections either. ;-)


Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere Anarchy is loosed upon the world.

[ Parent ]
Nor "Statism" (3.60 / 5) (#8)
by ubu on Wed Aug 01, 2001 at 03:00:00 PM EST

Nor "There Ought To Be A Law" nor "Give Communism A Chance".


As good old software hats say - "You are in very safe hands, if you are using CVS !!!"
[ Parent ]
One more... (4.00 / 4) (#21)
by ScottBrady on Thu Aug 02, 2001 at 09:26:29 AM EST

Don't forgot My Swollen and Irritable Body Part. Can't forget that one.

Scott Brady
"We didn't lie to you... the truth just changed."
[ Parent ]

Heh (3.44 / 9) (#3)
by AmberEyes on Wed Aug 01, 2001 at 01:45:07 PM EST

We can stick all the stories about trying to justify the act of cheating on someone in there.



"But you [AmberEyes] have never admitted defeat your entire life, so why should you start now. It seems the only perfect human being since Jesus Christ himself is in our presence." -my Uncle Dean
+1, but no such section... (3.20 / 5) (#4)
by tomte on Wed Aug 01, 2001 at 01:56:38 PM EST

why not ?
´cause sex transcends all terrains of life! I find it much more interesting, if there´s a context to care about for the author while writing about sex. Otherwise there will be a lot of article that plainly say: "sex is great! " or something like this....not very interresting I´d say.
Or am I just ashamed ....who knows!
Funny. There's a brightness dial on the monitor, but the users don't get any smarter.
*cough* (2.40 / 10) (#5)
by Signal 11 on Wed Aug 01, 2001 at 02:17:57 PM EST

We already have pr0n.kuro5hin.org and leftfoot.kuro5hin.org to satisfy one of the site maintainer's foot fetishes... and now you're asking for a fucking section? We have servers dedicated to our sexual satisfaction. Loser. -1.

Society needs therapy. It's having
trouble accepting itself.
Succinctly put... (5.00 / 13) (#10)
by kaemaril on Wed Aug 01, 2001 at 03:22:32 PM EST

> now you're asking for a fucking section?

Yes, he is. I thought he'd said that :)

Why, yes, I am being sarcastic. Why do you ask?

[ Parent ]
No way! (3.87 / 8) (#6)
by theboz on Wed Aug 01, 2001 at 02:20:09 PM EST

You would give someone a legit excuse to write an article about www.goatse.cx!

Also, what would the icon for the section or topic be?


A hand. (4.80 / 5) (#22)
by your_desired_username on Thu Aug 02, 2001 at 10:07:54 AM EST

Also, what would the icon for the section or topic be?

A hand. Possibly covered in lube. You did not actully expect anything else, did you?

[ Parent ]

Tub o' Crisco (3.00 / 1) (#25)
by gravid on Fri Aug 03, 2001 at 06:11:21 AM EST


[ Parent ]
And a link (3.00 / 1) (#27)
by Sikpup on Fri Aug 03, 2001 at 05:14:30 PM EST

To a copy of the Spike and Mike's Sick and Twisted Festival of Animation short:

"Shindler's Fist"

(yes there is such an animated short and yes, its what you might think)

[ Parent ]
Speaking of sex... (2.75 / 8) (#7)
by iLoveBobAbooey on Wed Aug 01, 2001 at 02:32:39 PM EST

Current score:17
Total votes: 69

Location? (3.50 / 4) (#9)
by catseye on Wed Aug 01, 2001 at 03:14:55 PM EST

How about putting it next to the "All Things Ass" section, which should probably be created as well, given some past topics. ;)

FYI (3.33 / 3) (#11)
by A Dapper M on Wed Aug 01, 2001 at 03:26:10 PM EST

A lot of other sites using scoop, such as Satanosphere have a sex section.

Not sure if this is a good idea or not...

Insert obligatory lame leftfoot.kuro5hin.org joke here -> __________________________________


"I sought only myself." - Heraclitus

It would add to confusion... (3.57 / 7) (#12)
by jabber on Wed Aug 01, 2001 at 03:59:10 PM EST

After all, an otherwise "News" worthy story about the MPAA 'screwing' the customer, or some Russian hacker getting a 'reaming' from the FBI, would naturally be fodder for a dozen 'wrong section d00d!' comments each...

A comparative analysis of 'fsck' times on ATA/66, ATA/100 and UFW-SCSI drives would likely be misfiled, and so neglected by those who would otherwise be interested in it.

Stories about flogging and penile pumps would be submitted, and located in 'hardware'..

I just don't know if that door could be closed, should it become necessary to do so at a later time..

[TINK5C] |"Is K5 my kapusta intellectual teddy bear?"| "Yes"

There are numbers, they are just old (3.66 / 6) (#13)
by jneves on Wed Aug 01, 2001 at 04:12:09 PM EST

In 1998 a porn site located in Amsterdam was pride of being responsible for 10% of the United States-Europe Internet link.

A simpler explanation (4.71 / 7) (#14)
by jneves on Wed Aug 01, 2001 at 04:21:04 PM EST

In an interview the author of the book Century of Sex, James R. Petersen, said that the real reason why people bought, talked and see more sex has a very simple explanation: in the beginning of the century you had a whore house at every corner where anyone would pay $1 to have real sex. Right now it's more difficult to have real sex, because of laws, current moral and diseases. So, like the old saying says "Those who talk more, do less".

sex is part of culture (4.33 / 3) (#15)
by Justinfinity on Wed Aug 01, 2001 at 04:58:25 PM EST

put your sexy stories there.

ok, bye bye.

Why don't you listen to me? If you listen, you get some nice fresh water.

sure, sure... (3.66 / 6) (#16)
by taruntius on Wed Aug 01, 2001 at 05:04:17 PM EST

And then someone will want a "Drugs" section. Then a "Music" section, then a "Cars" section, "Pets", "Cooking". Finally, when someone demands that the issues related to recreational embroidery are cross-categorical enough that K5 needs a "Needlepoint" section, there will be no footing left on which to say "No! Go away, you freak!"

--Believing I had supernatural powers I slammed into a brick wall.
Topic v. Section (4.50 / 2) (#17)
by J'raxis on Wed Aug 01, 2001 at 09:37:55 PM EST

Maybe a topic then? There already is a music topic, for example.

-- The Raxis

[ J’raxis·Com | Liberty in your lifetime ]
[ Parent ]

I thought we already had one (3.50 / 2) (#18)
by John Milton on Thu Aug 02, 2001 at 04:15:56 AM EST

I assumed that the You Know... topic was just that.

"When we consider that woman are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should Treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit." -Elizabeth Cady Stanton

[ Parent ]
Topic? (3.00 / 2) (#24)
by J'raxis on Fri Aug 03, 2001 at 03:21:00 AM EST

Actually I've never noticed that topic before. I've only taken a look at the complete list of topics maybe once or twice -- since it's not in any obvious place like the list of sections at the top of every page.

-- The Raxis

[ J’raxis·Com | Liberty in your lifetime ]
[ Parent ]

Exactly (3.50 / 2) (#26)
by qpt on Fri Aug 03, 2001 at 03:26:00 PM EST

I submit many stories, and I really have no idea what is on the topic list.

Culture, Op-Ed. Always.

Domine Deus, creator coeli et terrae respice humilitatem nostram.
[ Parent ]

Culture? (3.50 / 2) (#19)
by pallex on Thu Aug 02, 2001 at 05:10:51 AM EST

If this site is about culture, whats wrong with having drugs,music,cars etc sections? Seems fine to me.

Tell you what, if we have those sections, i`ll never mod down a meta or mlp story again!

[ Parent ]
I will have to say no way (3.50 / 2) (#20)
by BobRoy on Thu Aug 02, 2001 at 08:32:30 AM EST

Why would we like to have just another sex forum? I think it is enough of them already.

One of the best things here at kuro5hin.org is that I don't have to read about all the frustrated teenagers complaining of their not existing sex-life.

So, please keep the kuro5hin.org free for pubertal sex-discussion.

If it's wet, Drink it!

Oh no! (4.00 / 3) (#23)
by panck on Thu Aug 02, 2001 at 05:08:00 PM EST

Soon K5 will be just like Salon, tempting its readers with titillating bits of pseudo-porn spiced with artsy photos taken in the 50's, and written in a tone as if discussing a new compiler design, or a fun new way to use the mouse. ("Woo hoo, this IS fun! ")

Sorry, buddy, much as I like sex, and discussing sex, and watching sex, and generally anything about sex (oh god except last night's South Park episode where Janet Reno's twin Ms. Chokesondick does it with Mr. Mackey), I don't think a sex section is really necessary on K5. For that, my friend, we have many other suitable outlets on the world wide internet. That's what it was made for, as you know.

Let's try, with all our might, to keep one small section of the internet free of sexual content , mmm-kay? Not because sex is bad or anything, but because when I read K5 I don't want to get the feeling that everyone else who's reading it is doing so just for the sexy stuff. We can call it "boner-free" if you like. In fact, let's rename kuro5hin to be Internet Boner Free Zone A, that will give those legislators something to be happy about.

Oh yeah, and if you really want to talk about sex, I would think that out of the two topics this site is purported to be about (namely, technology and culture) that if you have maybe something technology-oriented in there with your dirty dirty story, (like a new dildo manufacturing technique featuring the Universal Planar Manipulater designed by Drs. Reznik and Canny), I suppose it could fall under the Technology header. And I suppose that if it has something vaguely to do with technology-culture, like a story about how tech geeks don't get 'ny, that would fall under Culture somewhere.

ok, i said enough.

ps. Red rocket! Red Rocket!

In moderation and relevancy (3.00 / 1) (#28)
by adamtheo on Tue Aug 07, 2001 at 03:40:23 AM EST

I believe sex does not need its own category, simply because it should not be a large enough or important enough area of news/discussion. It should have a place in K5, simply because it is important enough for that. Actually, let me be more specific: *stories involving sex* are important enough, whereas the category itself is not. Let's just keep things they way they are. Sex likely being under Culture, and stories involving it going through the que.

[ Parent ]
Too Easy... (4.00 / 1) (#29)
by Robert Uhl on Wed Aug 08, 2001 at 08:59:33 PM EST

...though I'm flexible about its exact location
Not going too touch it...must resist...too easy...

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