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Are we under attack from spammers?

By theboz in Meta
Fri Sep 07, 2001 at 07:28:30 AM EST
Tags: Kuro5hin.org (all tags)
Kuro5hin.org

I have started getting a lot of spam to the email address I have listed on K5. of course, I have the whole REMOVECAPS thing involved as an attempt to foil email harvesters, but that can be filtered out by spammers that have software to match valid domain names against my address. I started being spammed more either the beginning of this week, or the end of the last, and I think that Kuro5hin.org is involved.


I deleted most of the spam already, so I will not be able to give much of a list to compare here. However, the two that I currently have not deleted are:
  • One just recieved is from "T_crow133@hotmail.com" about some software called destkopsticker.
  • The next is from "p215y77you_7@hotmail.com" about some porno called the Houston 500 with Laura T. Houston.
Now, many people will say that I have no real reason to suspect K5 at this point. However there are a few reasons that I suspect K5 is where my address is being pulled from that I will list below.

1) On IRC the other day, Rusty said that K5 was being spidered a lot more by google and some other sites. Perhaps someone is running an email harvester against K5 now. It was recent that both the email and the possible email harvesters have occured.

2) I spoke with some other K5 users on ICQ, and they were recieving more spam than usual as well. This has been happening in about the same time frame as with me.

3) I don't really post an email address anywhere else. The only other places that would see this address are bikkel.com and a few other obscure websites. As far as I know, nobody else that visits those sites has been spammed in a similar way as I have.

So I am posting this to find out if it is a K5 related thing, and what can be done about it. If this related to K5, I think rusty and Inoshiro should be aware of it as well. I had stopped getting unsolicited emails after I stopped using hotmail, and now that I'm getting it at another address I'd like to be able to stop it there too.

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Are we under attack from spammers? | 42 comments (42 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Spam and its origins (4.00 / 6) (#1)
by aphrael on Thu Sep 06, 2001 at 04:23:03 PM EST

i'm not convinced there's a problem with K5. :) Yeah, I get a lot of spam, but most of it goes either to aphrael-at-burble-dot-org, which I used to use on usenet a lot and have long since given up as the address I give to companies, etc, and expect to be spammed, or to rwest-at-borland-dot-com, which suddenly started getting lots of spam after a change in the company's mail server. The address I use at kuro5hin has *never* gotten much in the way of spam. :)

It's odd for me. (3.40 / 5) (#2)
by theboz on Thu Sep 06, 2001 at 04:30:14 PM EST

The email address I have here is one that just forwards to a real one, so I can have my real address for my friends and family, and publicly I display the email.com one which when I get too much spam I just turn it off and get a new one.

However, K5 is really the only place that I list it, so unless it's on some old discussion board I used to frequent that I forgot about, this seems to be the only place it could come from I can think of.

Anyways, I'm not really sure what or where the spam is coming from but if I can narrow it down that would be great. It won't bother me to be wrong about it coming from K5 at all so I'll just wait and see what responses this story gets.

Stuff.
[ Parent ]

You sure? (none / 0) (#5)
by fluffy grue on Thu Sep 06, 2001 at 05:57:10 PM EST

You might want to rethink that.
--
"Is not a quine" is not a quine.
I have a master's degree in science!

[ Hug Your Trikuare ]
[ Parent ]

You sure? (retry) (4.50 / 4) (#6)
by fluffy grue on Thu Sep 06, 2001 at 05:58:03 PM EST

You might want to rethink that.

(Helps to use the right email address to prove a point.)
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I have a master's degree in science!

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[ Parent ]

Thanks Fluffy! (3.25 / 4) (#9)
by MicroBerto on Thu Sep 06, 2001 at 08:57:18 PM EST

Hey thanks! i never thought of doing that, and now I know where my e-mail address appears on the web and I can fix that!

However, it's been shown that posting to USENET is what will get you the most spam -- I'll post that link in a reply if i can find it.

Berto
- GAIM: MicroBerto
Bertoline - My comic strip
[ Parent ]

SPAM and its origins (3.04 / 22) (#3)
by eLuddite on Thu Sep 06, 2001 at 04:42:33 PM EST

I've gone through every single comment posted on kuro5hin for comments which included "I'm not gay but, ..." and subscribed their poster to gay sites. Because I dont see enough comments which include "Kuro5hin made me gay but, ...", that's why. Next up and for future reference, people who have written "I'm not black but, ..." will shortly begin to receive mail from the naacp.

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Im Young, Nasty, and Easy (4.00 / 6) (#4)
by codepoet on Thu Sep 06, 2001 at 05:43:37 PM EST

And the following went to the address for K5 mails today:
I WANT TO SUCK YOUR COCK!! YES THATS RIGHT, I WANT TO SUCK YOUR COCK! I WANT YOU TO SHOOT YOUR GOOEY CUM ALL OVER MY FACE AND MOUTH! I AM AN 18 YEAR OLD SLUT WHO LOVES TO SUCK COCK AND EAT CUM. DON'T BELIEVE ME, CHECK THIS OUT:

http://www.somewhere.com/gc/webyoung/?adv_id=103678

I HAVE THOUSANDS OF FUCK AND SUCK PICS OF ME AND MY FRIENDS. GIRL ON GIRL, COCKSUCKING, ASS FUCKING, YOU NAME IT. AND LIVE CAMS WHERE YOU CAN SEE US IN REAL LIFE ACTION. SO WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR, COME SEE ME SUCK THIS DICK!

http://www.somewhere.com/gc/webyoung/?adv_id=103678






TO BE REMOVED:

http://somewhere.com/remove.php

Yeah, K5 is getting crawled. And? If you post your address, expect spam. Period. Any notion of being left alone goes out the window when you have your email address on the web or on USENET. Don't like it? I'm partial to uce@fcc.gov and president@whitehouse.gov myself, but pick anything you like. =)

"It's sleazy," Hatch said. "This is not a company that appears to be bothered by ethical boundaries." --Minnesota Attorney General Mike Hatch on Mi
We can fix that... (4.28 / 7) (#7)
by driph on Thu Sep 06, 2001 at 06:03:54 PM EST

The simple resolution to all this is to simply have Inoshiro apply his email filters to your address. You'll never receive a spam email again. You might not receive some of your regular emails either, but at least you won't be spammed. :]

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Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
Alternatively... (4.00 / 1) (#26)
by Pseudonym on Sat Sep 08, 2001 at 12:04:00 AM EST

Sign up for an email filtering service. I don't mind giving away my email address here because it's filtered for me, and of those spams that get through, I can report them at the click of a button.

Very convenient.



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[ Parent ]
Who? (none / 0) (#38)
by mcherm on Fri Oct 05, 2001 at 10:42:16 AM EST

Who do you use?

-- Michael Chermside
[ Parent ]
T_crow133@hotmail.com (4.40 / 5) (#8)
by Daemosthenes on Thu Sep 06, 2001 at 08:14:21 PM EST

I too recieved the spam from T_crow133@hotmail.com concerning "desktopsticker".

This might lend some support to the k5 spamming bit. Then again, my email address isn't all that secure from crawling. I think I'll end up changing the listing from <my email> (at) <my domain> to some form of <mSyPeAmMail> (at) <RmEy MdOoVmEain>

I'd suggest this for all those folks recieving too much spam and suspecting that it's from K5. Hopefully even intelligent name/domain matching software can't make it past that. If that doesn't work, you could just ROT-13 your address. Unfortunately, both of these solutions somewhat hamper people's ability to email you easily. I guess you just have to draw the line somewhere though.

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Weeding out the clueless... (3.50 / 2) (#31)
by darthaggie on Sat Sep 08, 2001 at 01:37:35 PM EST

If that doesn't work, you could just ROT-13 your address. Unfortunately, both of these solutions somewhat hamper people's ability to email you easily.

I think of it as an easy way to weed out the clueless and the lazy... ;-)

I am BOFH. Resistance is futile. Your network will be assimilated.
[ Parent ]

spidering websites (4.20 / 5) (#10)
by Delirium on Thu Sep 06, 2001 at 09:18:30 PM EST

I don't see why this is a surprise - spam spiders typically spider everything they find, much like search engines do. They were bound to find k5 someday, especially since they probably are set up to target discussion sites in general, since those are most likely to have lots of email addresses. I just filter BCC's into a separate mailbox, and that blocks around 90% of spam. I find that a less intrusive solution than "spam-proofing" my email address when I post it.

All the spam that's fit to print. (3.83 / 6) (#11)
by Anonymous 6522 on Thu Sep 06, 2001 at 09:22:41 PM EST

This is all of the spam I've recieved at jcb_email@yahoo.com:

  • "for women!" from WomenNow@theglobe.com. (reply-to is Midwest Marketing@yahoo.com) This spam has no body.
  • "Beyond the Nader Campaign" from paul@tcgreens.org
  • "TICE Pricing on 2001-9-4" from sales@tice.com.tw
  • "Want sex? Get your .Sex Domain! 17347" from sales-dept@go.com (reply-to is 1051@c4.com)
It doesn't look like this yahoo account is on any major spam list, if it was, I'd expect more than 4 spams spread out over two weeks.

A Yahoo Mail FYI (3.00 / 2) (#24)
by ucblockhead on Fri Sep 07, 2001 at 06:21:19 PM EST

I get between one or two spams on my yahoo account (that aren't filtered by their bulkmail thing.) THis is for an account that I while downloading the Yahoo Messenger. I have never sent e-mail from it. I have never given anyone the e-mail address. I have done nothing with the account whatsoever. I still get one or two spams a day (plus innumerable ones in the "bulk mail" folder.)

I have a hotmail account that is similar.
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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
[ Parent ]

nospam%jraxis:com (4.00 / 3) (#12)
by J'raxis on Fri Sep 07, 2001 at 01:47:43 AM EST

This is why I make my munged email address (nospam%jraxis:com) not look like a real email address at all. Spiders will pass it by because it does not match the address format. Yours will get harvested then get analyzed, possibly successfully.

— The Spamproof Raxis

[ J’raxis·Com | Liberty in your lifetime ]

Spam (3.75 / 4) (#13)
by ajduk on Fri Sep 07, 2001 at 03:06:00 AM EST

Does anyone ever, ever, actually part with any cash as a result of spam?

I mean - if someone won't give you a reply email address, or a physical address, do you trust them with money in any way?


Sadly, yes. (4.00 / 2) (#16)
by pallex on Fri Sep 07, 2001 at 07:35:18 AM EST

Why else would they do it?
They often give a phone number, or a website address unrelated to the email address. The email address (if accurate) gets closed down pretty quickly, but the spammers were never going to read it anyway.

Spamming people is practically free, so they`ve only got to fool a few people to make it worthwhile.

"Does anyone ever, ever, actually part with any cash as a result of spam?"

Actually, that still holds for banner/pop up ads!


[ Parent ]
ROI of spam (5.00 / 4) (#20)
by X-Nc on Fri Sep 07, 2001 at 11:46:47 AM EST

It's been looked into and it seems that most spam has a hit rate of about 1%. The thing is when you blast a few million addresses that 1% can be significent. Add to that the cost of spaming the world is damn near nothing in regular marketing terms it's a no lose situation for the spamers.

Always remember, the reason that spam exists is because it works. You hate it. I hate it. 99% of the world hates it. But 1% of 6 billion at $19.95 a head is not bad at all.

--
Aaahhhh!!!! My K5 subscription expired. Now I can't spell anymore.
[ Parent ]

ROI of *email* spam (none / 0) (#42)
by sacrelicious on Sun Nov 18, 2001 at 11:44:27 PM EST

Always remember, the reason that spam exists is because it works. You hate it. I hate it. 99% of the world hates it. But 1% of 6 billion at $19.95 a head is not bad at all.

The population of (aka real people in RL who use) the internet is well under 6 billion. That being said, your point is dead-on.

Either there needs to be a cost involved to stop spam from happening, or the system needs to have more security in the way of reduced anonymity. I am still amazed at how few choices there are for inexpensive authentication.



[ Parent ]

Parting with cash (3.00 / 2) (#25)
by cam on Fri Sep 07, 2001 at 10:32:56 PM EST

>Does anyone ever, ever, actually part with
>any cash as a result of spam?

95% of the spam I get on the free email accounts i have is either offering penis extensions, breast augmentation or assumes I am broke and have no credit.

So no I have never given any spammers money.



cam
Freedom, Liberty, Equity and an Australian Republic
[ Parent ]

Educate youself and fight back. (4.33 / 6) (#14)
by Tezcatlipoca on Fri Sep 07, 2001 at 04:26:01 AM EST

Spammers flourish because the victims do nothing to stop them (filtering in your email program is not good enough: the bandwith to transmit their drivel has been wasted, this is more acute if you have a modem connection).

Did you know that in several (many?) US states spam is ilegal?

Try some of the following:

-Use services like http://www.sneakemail.com to get throw away email addresses.

-Use http://spamcop.net to send Spam reports to the owners or responsible people at ISPs (many ISPs allow Spam out of ignorance and once informed are more than willing to help).

-Train yourself about how to find out who is Spamming you and make your duty to once a week track yourself a piece of spam and complain to the adequate sources. After a while you could find this to be quite a fascinating hobby... ( http://www.mindworkshop.com/alchemy/nospam.html )




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an Indian or a Mafia don"
Mexican born actor Anthony Quinn on
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Spam with No Reason for Existence (3.66 / 3) (#15)
by quam on Fri Sep 07, 2001 at 07:29:46 AM EST

"Worthless Spam," Something I Will Never Understand:
  • User Receives Spam
  • User Replies to Spam with 'Remove' as Subject Heading Per Instructions on Spam
  • User Reply Returned: "550 RCPT TO:<ArrogantMarketerThinksSpamIsaConstitutionalRight@IdioticMarketerfromHell.com> User unknown."
  • Knowing Reply to Email for Removal is Broken, User Clicks Link in Spam
  • "www.pointlessspamupmybutt.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again."
  • User Views Source of Spam to id ISP utilized.
  • ISP Unknown.



    -- U.S. Patent 5443036 concerns a device for encouraging a cat to exercise by chasing a light spot.
  • Poem? (3.75 / 4) (#17)
    by mrgoat on Fri Sep 07, 2001 at 08:18:42 AM EST

    [OT] Is this a poem or something? It reads almost like a haiku.

    Worthless spam; I can't
    understand why I get it.
    Post real address? No.

    Well, really. Actually, the only way I've found so far to keep the spam levels down, is to never give out my e-mail address. Even when I do, no one believes me. (Is it true that all aol users think all e-mail addys end in @aol.com? I think so.) Now I only get spam from angelfire, (god knows why, I think I must have started a page there years ago) and my mail provider.

    "I'm having sex right now?" - Joh3n
    --Top Hat--
    [ Parent ]

    I hate spam :P (3.00 / 3) (#18)
    by catseye on Fri Sep 07, 2001 at 08:42:28 AM EST

    I really, really hate spam... I don't just throw the word "hate" around casually... I truly abhor it. Every time I get a piece of spam, I track it back to the web hosting service or ISP, check out their terms of use, and if spamming is against it, I complain. I have to admit that responses from most ISPs and web hosting services have been positive. Accounts have been deleted, web sites removed, etc. If I receive spam for something illegal or in a gray area (cable descramblers, for example), I also send it to the Federal Trade Commission at UCE@FTC.GOV. This was alsmost guaranteed to work when the spam or web site originated in the United States, the UK, or Australia.

    Now, unfortunately, most of the spam I receive originates from bulk mailers working out of China, Korea, Russia, Japan, and Taiwan. The web sites they refer to are also hosted in some part of Asia or Russia. Not a damned thing can be done about that, as far as I can tell. Anyone have any success pissing with people who send spam by way of an unregulated foreign country?



    Spam I Am (3.00 / 2) (#19)
    by catseye on Fri Sep 07, 2001 at 10:45:51 AM EST

    While we're on the topic, I found this Spam paradoy of Dr. Seuss's Green Eggs and Ham.

    I do not like it, Spam-I-am.



    Does it matter anymore? (3.66 / 3) (#21)
    by billman on Fri Sep 07, 2001 at 12:37:07 PM EST

    Not that I've given up but I've received spam in email accounts that I've never given out the address. I signed up for something like an excite email account and left sitting long enough, it will begin collecting spam. Some of it poorly executed so what I see is:

    CC: bill@excite.com, bob@excite.com, barney@excite.com, bart@excite.com . . . .

    As long as you have an email address tied to a domain that shows up in search engines, they'll come. You can try to avoid it by taking measures intended to foil address collecting bots but sooner or later, somehow, some way, your email address will get on a list and your's will be one of the "5 Million Email Addresses" that I constantly get offered in spam after spam. I think the best way to combat this is to put up a good filtering system and continue to refine it as needed.

    Of course, what I would really like to see one day would be some sort of trust ring similar to the concept behind PGP keys. If you trust Person A, and if Person A vouches for Person B (by signing their key), you get the email with some sort of embedded hash in the header that validates the email and drops it into your in-box. If you have no "introduction" then you're sent a confirmation email which requires some sort of action (respond to the email with a given hash code in the body or subject of the email, go to a website for a onetime key, etc.). Since spammers usually give out bad return email addresses, or they use temporary accounts on AOL, hotmail, etc., this would eliminate the bulk of the messages. I guess that you could argue about the increased bandwidth, server loads, etc. but if it detered enough spammers, it might actually reduce the amount of network traffic. Plus, once you establish a ring and it has been out there long enough, 98% of your email will be coming from either people you trust or people introduced by someone you trust eliminating the need for all of the validations. I know, the idea isn't perfect and I'm sure someone can find flaws or problems with it but it's a dream not a blueprint :-)

    Yep... I got it too (3.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Nafai on Fri Sep 07, 2001 at 01:29:45 PM EST

    I got DesktopSticker spam. In fact, here it is:

    ----
    Q: What is DesktopSticker?

    A - Extremely useful sticky notes program
    B - Is what its users want it to be
    C - Dedicated customer care
    D - All of the above

    Look for the correct answer at www.desktop-sticker.com


    If you wish to unsubscribe, just send an empty letter to unsub@desktop-sticker.com

    61315 89933
    ----

    Legal Spam (3.00 / 1) (#23)
    by kany0n on Fri Sep 07, 2001 at 06:17:10 PM EST

    While I too hate spam, I have nothing against advertising if done appropriately. I think the following should be done for spam to be legal:

    1) no misleading subject lines. As a matter of fact, it should have to begin the subject line with "Ad: etc.." or something similar.

    2) no misleading return addresses.

    3) no relaying.

    4) an opt-out that works?

    No such thing as... (4.00 / 1) (#30)
    by darthaggie on Sat Sep 08, 2001 at 01:32:34 PM EST

    ...legal spam.

    Most spam boils down to a) porno spam, or b) scam spam.

    1) no misleading subject lines. As a matter of fact, it should have to begin the subject line with "Ad: etc.." or something similar.

    The spammers won't go for that as it's too easy to filter. And if you have a filter like procmail, you could return it to them.

    2) no misleading return addresses.

    So the spammers SMTP box can be blasted off the face of the earth? yeah, they and their ISP would just love that, wouldn't they?

    3) no relaying.

    They won't go for that, either, since that means they'd have to tell their ISP before hand what business they'll be doing. Spamford Wallace tried that once with AGIS, it was to be called the "SpamBone". AGIS no longer exists, and Spamford has quit.

    4) an opt-out that works?

    Oh, yeah, right. I didn't sign up for the sewage, why the fsck should I be subject to it?

    Spammers won't like points 1-3, I don't like point 4.

    I am BOFH. Resistance is futile. Your network will be assimilated.
    [ Parent ]

    Better yet... (4.00 / 1) (#36)
    by nakaduct on Mon Sep 17, 2001 at 11:33:26 AM EST

    Why not solve the problem in a way that's proven to work? Let the advertisers subsidise the incumbent users, instead of exploiting them.

    Suppose we had a way to charge X cents for every email, payable to the recipient, if he asks for it. That way, personal e-mail is free (since, presumably, your recipient wouldn't exercise his payment options) and scam mail disappears. Gray areas like vendor "newsletters" would be more expensive, but still worthwhile if sufficiently targeted.

    "Sender-pays" has successfully attentuated noise in the paper post; with some ingenuity we could exploit the same principles for electronic messaging.

    PS- Would it be so tough for K5 to offer a "preserve whitespace AND interpret tags" mode? No, it would not.

    [ Parent ]
    Outfoxing the Spammers (4.20 / 5) (#27)
    by cht on Sat Sep 08, 2001 at 12:21:06 AM EST

    One thing I've been recommending to folks who are not yet on the net, but are about to make the jump, is to add NOSPAM to their username when they sign up with an ISP. Something like this:

    fooNOSPAMbar@nosuchisp.com

    Since the address harvesters automatically strip character strings such as NOSPAM...

    --
    Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!

    Not sure if it's K5, actually (3.00 / 1) (#28)
    by reeses on Sat Sep 08, 2001 at 02:19:31 AM EST

    In the past two weeks or so, I've received a lot more spam to several of my addresses. I've received more at work (which is a very seldom used address, and never for posting to Usenet, etc.), but I've also received a hell of a lot more to addresses used to register domains. I've always received a small number to these addresses, and I'm wondering if a new set of those "ten billion email addresses for your direct marketing campaign!" CDs went out last month.

    One thing I remember about 50% of the time is to use SMTP folders to decorate the email address enough to identify the origin, and to make it easier to filter with procmail. For example, I might use reeses+k5articlesaretrawled@astrogoth.com when filling out untrusted web forms. They get what they want (they can still contact me), and I get the ability to filter them out if they don't play nicely.

    I know some mailers don't support it, but the lack of support just makes it even more appealing. :-)

    FYI (4.25 / 4) (#29)
    by rusty on Sat Sep 08, 2001 at 11:47:37 AM EST

    Yes, we do get crawled by spambots. No, there's really nothing I can do about it. I would advise everyone to either not post an email address, or take steps to spamproof it. We should really add that to the help, so that newbies are aware that it definitely does happen.

    ____
    Not the real rusty
    Spammers, do your worst. (none / 0) (#37)
    by Ialdabaoth on Wed Oct 03, 2001 at 01:20:38 PM EST

    I always post /dev/null as my public email address. I wonder what would happen if a Unix-based spambot put /dev/null on the list?
    *******
    "Act upon thy thoughts shall be the whole of the Law."

    --paraphrase of Aleister Crowley
    [ Parent ]

    Interesting... (none / 0) (#41)
    by Pakaran on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 01:29:38 PM EST

    One trick that I've heard is to put root@127.1, postmaster@127.0.0.1, or something similiar as your email address, and then if spammers try to spam you from a cracked shell account, or using their ISP's SMTP server...

    Does anyone know how likely that is to actually work, though?

    [ Parent ]
    There is no escape... (4.00 / 3) (#32)
    by bionic on Mon Sep 10, 2001 at 07:34:38 AM EST

    Unfortunately spammers are very devious.

    Even if you've never posted your email address on the web, ever, you're still vulnerable.

    One of the increasingly attractive ways to generate valid email addresses is by 'harvesting' directly from mail servers. The idea goes like this:

    - take a list of usernames
    - take a list of domain names
    - take 1 email harvesting program

    The program will then run the username file against the mail server and extract the good addresses.

    Obviously, if your username is less common, you're less likely to be put on a list.

    Spambots use useragent strings of legit services (4.00 / 3) (#33)
    by FattMattP on Tue Sep 11, 2001 at 12:37:47 AM EST

    I started noticing that my sites get spidered quite a bit from google and the sort as well, but when I did an nslookup on the IPs the majority of them would resolve to DSL and dialup connections. So I have the feeling that spammers are spidering sites and setting the useragent field to google, lycos, or something of that nature.

    ----
    I am capable of masturbating for twenty-seven hours before achieving climax. This does include breaks for meals. -- Michael David Crawford


    7 from T_crow133@hotmail.com (3.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Waldo on Fri Sep 14, 2001 at 12:13:23 AM EST

    I've noticed the increased mail from T_crow. I've received 7 messags so far, from 07/17/01 until, most recently, 09/12/01. The first one was sent to my K5 address (my mail address, nothing special), advertising the URL http://www.desctopsticker.org (sic), signed "Todd." That, like 4 others, had the subject "Re:". The second one, from 07/20/01, had the subject "Hi again!" Two of them were addressed to a wholly separate address that appears on just one webpage on the Internet, one that does not receive spam. Two of them promoted adult content, the rest promoted variations on the desktopsticker URL. All have typos in them. All were sent from DSLs and all claim to be from the T_crow133@hotmail.com address.

    Yes, I save all of my spam. :)

    -Waldo

    A different strategy (3.00 / 2) (#35)
    by data64 on Sun Sep 16, 2001 at 11:14:18 PM EST

    I believe that as we (the members of the technical community) come up with new ways of combatting spam, some other technically savvy goons are going to come up with ways to get around that.

    I think we should focus on something else. Most of the spammers are in the business to make money. This implies that there are still some business' that think mass emailling will actually increase the market share just as advertising in other media such as newspapers, television, web ads.

    I do not know if a study has ever been conducted to prove whether spamming helps in increasing the market share or not. But, from my personal experience and from speaking to friends and people I know, recepients of spam are much less likely to buy the product/service advertised in the offending email.

    Perhaps if we can educate the business' who hire spammers that spamming will actually hurt their business, they might decide to use some other means of advertising than spam. This would lead to less money being channelled into this industry and drive a lot of spammers out of business.

    What does the K5 community think about this ? Is this thought just a pipe dream ?

    Solution: Use sneakemail (none / 0) (#39)
    by pointwood on Sun Oct 07, 2001 at 11:25:38 AM EST

    It's a really cool service that puts you in control of your email!

    From the Sneakemail website:

    Sneakemail is a free service that you can use to generate disposable email addresses.

    These "sneak email" addresses are aliases of your real address, which is kept hidden.

    You can enter these Sneakemail addresses into web forms or use them to contact e-businesses without the risk of your real address being abused or bought and sold.

    Consider each Sneakemail address as an informal agreement between you and an online business or organization.

    You agree to allow them to contact you through this address, and they in turn, by accepting and using this address, agree not to abuse this privilege by sending you unwanted solicitations or to give or sell your address to others.

    If they abuse this privilege, by using Sneakemail, you have more control.

    Each time you are required to give out your email-address, you just create a new "sneake mail". Say you have created an Sneake mail alias for K5 and have only used it here. If you suddenly starts to get a lot of spam, you would know the spammers have got your email address here since it's the only place you have used that address.

    You can then filter the mails you get on that address or you can delete it entirely and create a new. The spammers then have a "broken" address in their list.

    I personally use it all the time - every time I need to give out my email address (a website demands a working address, newsgroups, forums like this one, etc.) I create a new Sneakemail.


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    Pointwood - Folding for the Cause!
    http://www.teameggroll.com


    Forgot: Remember to report spammers! (none / 0) (#40)
    by pointwood on Sun Oct 07, 2001 at 11:35:48 AM EST

    Create an account at spamcop.net - this service makes it very easy to report spam. It's a matter of opening a bookmark, cut & paste the whole email in a textbox and hit the "report spam" button.


    --
    Pointwood - Folding for the Cause!
    http://www.teameggroll.com


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