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The Food icon is not food.

By OzJuggler in Meta
Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 11:26:12 AM EST
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The icon for Food topics on k5 does not look like an item of food, nor connotes food in any way. The icon should be changed.


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This story is really short, easily understood, and has a single clearly identifiable goal.

The icon for Food topics does not look like something edible. It is not readily identifiable as food, or even food related. I had to right-click the icon to find its filename before I was convinced that someone actually thought this represented food in some way. There could be anything inside that package.
Hell, even the icon for Humour looks more like food than the icon for Food.

This issue may not seem to be very important, and you'd be right. It's not important. It is incredibly infuriating that something as easily representable as food was given such an amazingly cryptic icon. This is so easily fixed, but it affects everybody so it is worth posting a story about. (No unilateral icon policies from me.)

Think about what images are stereotypical of food. I think a cut loaf of bread, vegetable, and cut chicken leg all next to each other is probably the most widely known icon of food in countries that principally make up k5's population. This is rather like your typical roast chicken dinner image. Go on, google for one.

If we can get some rough concensus on this then that is good grounds for getting the k5 admins to change the icon for the better.

What would you consider to be the best icon for a Food topic?

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The present Food topic icon is...
o not obviously food-related. 42%
o obviously food-related. 40%
o unimportant, since I don't care what topic has been assigned to stories. 16%

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The Food icon is not food. | 129 comments (113 topical, 16 editorial, 0 hidden)
Ramen (3.83 / 12) (#1)
by xriso on Fri Nov 29, 2002 at 11:10:43 PM EST

Noodles.
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perhaps with a can of redbull (3.50 / 2) (#3)
by grahamsz on Fri Nov 29, 2002 at 11:22:46 PM EST

the ultimate student/coder diet :)
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[ Parent ]
Amen th That (4.00 / 2) (#11)
by Myriad on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 12:39:17 AM EST

Red Bull is expensive enough that packs of ramen are all that one can reasonably afford anyway. But what can one do when you're addicted?


35. The Liberal hates you.
[ Parent ]

yuck (4.00 / 1) (#21)
by martingale on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 04:28:43 AM EST

I've always thought RB tastes like liquid chewing gum would taste. Blech! Besides, I don't get the attraction personally, the couple of times I've tried it I can't say I've noticed any type of energy improvement.

[ Parent ]
Damn skippy. (3.00 / 1) (#46)
by Work on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 04:16:26 PM EST

I can go get a couple shots of espresso with milk, get better flavor, more 'energy' and its cheaper.

Red Bull reminds me of robitussin. I hate robitussin. I suppose thats because it was my mom's cure for everything (kinda like chris rock's whole robitussin routine)

[ Parent ]

Funny... (none / 0) (#92)
by TheEldestOyster on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 02:27:09 AM EST

... I've always said that it tastes like liquid smarties.
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[ Parent ]
You're supposed to mix it with vodka (none / 0) (#125)
by davidmb on Wed Dec 04, 2002 at 04:38:24 AM EST

Pure rocket fuel then.
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[ Parent ]
That is geek food (4.27 / 11) (#4)
by LodeRunner on Fri Nov 29, 2002 at 11:43:08 PM EST

Well, the food icon obviously resembles food for me. 'Cause that is food for those who can't cook. If you can't relate to the K5 food icon, then congratulations: you eat real food, not the stuff I eat, which looks a lot like that icon.

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Geek food. (none / 0) (#71)
by tkatchev on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 02:52:02 PM EST

And also food for bums, coincidentally. (Probably cause you don't have to cook it.)

   -- Signed, Lev Andropoff, cosmonaut.
[ Parent ]

Once upon a time... (none / 0) (#90)
by TheEldestOyster on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 02:25:58 AM EST

... I saw a mod for some 3D FPS where the health boxes were represented as packages of ramen...

Canonical Geek food? I'd say so.
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[ Parent ]

Stereotypical images (3.85 / 7) (#6)
by LodeRunner on Fri Nov 29, 2002 at 11:55:52 PM EST

Well, you see... many images of K5 icons are not stereotypical. I think that is part of the site's charm. Take the the Culture icon, for instance.

So you had to think twice to understand the icon. Fine: that was the intent. :)

Now if you want a really cryptic image, maybe we should use the first match of your suggested Google search. ;-)


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Culture Icon (4.80 / 5) (#10)
by b1t r0t on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 12:36:25 AM EST

The problem with the culture icon is that there is no culture growing on it. I think we should start a new Meta/K5 article to get white bacterial splotches immediately added to the Culture icon! This biological farce has gone on long enough! We want culture in our culture icon!

-- Indymedia: the fanfiction.net of journalism.
[ Parent ]
God damn! (3.00 / 1) (#44)
by TurboThy on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 03:35:07 PM EST

I finally understood what that icon represents now you provoked me to actually think about it. I previously thought is was a roll of film (the ones used in cinemas).
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[ Parent ]
Ramen... (4.00 / 6) (#13)
by gr3y on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 01:51:21 AM EST

is food, but only just. I know because I've eaten cases of it, and I now hate the very smell of ramen cooking in a hot pot. God willing, I will never eat another cup/bowl of ramen noodles.

I say leave the icon be, but I've voted this article up in the hopes I'll hear a virtual "Ode to Ramen".

I am a disruptive technology.

What kind of Ramen? (4.50 / 4) (#14)
by skim123 on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 02:22:13 AM EST

Are you eating the 10 cent Ramen, or the Ramen you get at Asian markets? If you buy the tasty Ramen from Asian supermarkets, it is very tasty, especially if you place the contents of an egg in the pot when the water and noodles are boiling. You can get some insanely spicey Ramen at 99 Ranch, the "Wal-Mart" of Asian markets here in SoCal...

Money is in some respects like fire; it is a very excellent servant but a terrible master.
PT Barnum


[ Parent ]
Brain food (4.25 / 4) (#15)
by I am Jack's username on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 03:06:34 AM EST

Bread (money), vegetable (don't eat the wheelchair, fruitarians choking), chicken (vegans choking).

I guess the icons are supposed to be funny and a little bit obscure, but if we're gonna go with something a little more obvious, how about the O'Reilly anabantidae? A fish that goes for walks - food for thought. Again the vegans might find it offensive.

How are bananas funny? I've rarely found anything posted in the k5 funny topic very funny. My sense of humor must be completely different from most k5ers. Steven Wright - now that's funny.

The first time I ever heard about (read) Ramen was on the Real Life cartoon. I've never seen or heard of it in real life. Is it available only in the USA?

Unilaterally yours,
I am Joe's fatty fridge contents.
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Ramen == wavy Japanese noodles (4.75 / 4) (#16)
by Otto Surly on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 03:23:02 AM EST

In the US, it comes in $0.125 packages in the supermarket, complete with grease (spelled "flavor") packet. In Japan, it's even worse.

Ramen noodles can also be Real Food, in Real Restaurants, both here and in Japan. I here there are ubiquitous noodle stands there where you can get something in between.



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[ Parent ]
No. (2.00 / 1) (#70)
by tkatchev on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 02:48:57 PM EST

Ramen is as ubiquitous as, say, chocolate all over the whole world. (Except for a few obscure corners of Europe.)

Ramen is actually one of the few truly international items of food in the world. It's certainly much more common in certain places than bread or fresh fruit, for example.

   -- Signed, Lev Andropoff, cosmonaut.
[ Parent ]

HOW DARE YOU DEFILE MARUCHAN RAMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? (2.70 / 10) (#18)
by autopr0n on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 04:20:45 AM EST

It's clearly a package of maruchan ramen noodles. how dare you defile the greatest ramen of them all

What other food can you get in america that'll give you a full meal for less then 32¢

Hrm... actualy on google image search makes it apear as not actual maruchan, or perhaps an older version of the packaging. Ah well.

my point still stands.


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It's Top Ramen, dorkus (3.00 / 1) (#43)
by Otto Surly on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 03:08:52 PM EST

Top Ramen is the high-class 30-cent stuff. But Maruchan is a third the price and comes in vegetarian mushroom flavor, so I can't blame you for thinking of Maruchan is the canonical brand of Ramen to the exclusion of all others.

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[ Parent ]
pizza (3.71 / 7) (#19)
by martingale on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 04:25:32 AM EST

You want a slice of pizza as your icon. Doesn't have a highly culinary connotation, but it's probably the most easily recognizable food icon. That and a burger and coke combo icon.

The point is that you want something that hits people as an obvious icon. Since those two types of food are the most ubiquitously advertized foods world-wide, it'll be obvious.

Definitely (ssa) (none / 0) (#96)
by bob6 on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 06:13:30 AM EST



Cheers.
[ Parent ]
The perfect food icon (4.43 / 16) (#22)
by QuickFox on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 04:54:15 AM EST

The perfect food icon would be a picture of Rusty's cats.

This is the perfect solution because it helps guarantee that Kuro5hin gets donations and survives. Rusty's cats as food would remind us every day of the dire consequences if we let Rusty get too hungry.

Give a man a fish and he eats for one day. Teach him how to fish, and though he'll eat for a lifetime, he'll call you a miser for not giving him your fi

I'm sorry, I must now Netcop you (2.00 / 1) (#47)
by Rogerborg on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 05:02:49 PM EST

IIRC, after the proposed new TLD ".pussy" was rejected, comp.admin declared a moratorium on posting any more god damn cat pictures on the net.  And in calendar 2003, we're beginning the phased take down, starting with any cats named "Boots".  You have been warned.

"Exterminate all rational thought." - W.S. Burroughs
[ Parent ]

A theroy (3.00 / 3) (#23)
by omegadan on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 05:25:07 AM EST

Could the current icon be a MRE? :)

Religion is a gateway psychosis. - Dave Foley

I guess some people eat soundcards (3.50 / 4) (#24)
by noogie on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 05:44:00 AM EST




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Hey, guess what (4.00 / 4) (#26)
by Rogerborg on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 07:06:02 AM EST

Terse posts about "Ramen noodles" means exactly hee haw to me, and I'd guess to most readers outside the USA.  I'm guessing that the food icon is an image of Ramen noodles, but how would I know, never having seen them?

If we're picking ethnocentric and non-obvious images, how about deep fried mars bar?

"Exterminate all rational thought." - W.S. Burroughs

Oh. . . you BATTER them? (4.00 / 2) (#28)
by IHCOYC on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 11:22:02 AM EST

When I first heard of the deep fried Mars bar, I was intrigued enough to try it. Didn't work at all.

I now know what I did wrong.
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[ Parent ]

Its Scottish food (none / 0) (#75)
by Simon Kinahan on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 03:53:31 PM EST

What did you think you did with it ?

Simon

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[ Parent ]
Deep fried Mars bars (5.00 / 1) (#88)
by IHCOYC on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 11:23:04 PM EST

I was aware that this was a Scottish culinary custom. Should have stuck to haggis, it seems.

I thought it was simply a matter of taking one Mars bar and dumping it into the hot oil of a deep fryer. This does not work.
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[ Parent ]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha... (5.00 / 1) (#107)
by DanTheCat on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 07:36:19 PM EST

I thought it was simply a matter of taking one Mars bar and dumping it into the hot oil of a deep fryer. This does not work.

That's funny as all hell. I can totally picture somebody standing in front of a pan full of hot oil with a fresh mars bar ready to dip, and then the sad expression they would get when they watch the mars bar dissolve before their eyes in the boiling oil...

Or at least, that's how I imagine it. Got any pictures?

Dan :)

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[ Parent ]

A recipe for failure. . . . (none / 0) (#114)
by IHCOYC on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 10:59:18 PM EST

Had I known it would fail so catastrophically --- there was nothing left of the candy, and I had to throw out a half gallon of cooking oil --- I probably would have made a permanent record of it, maybe even arranged a live webcast of the experiment.
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"Vix dum basiavisti vicarium velocem Mortis," rediit Grignr.
--- Livy
[ Parent ]
Well (4.33 / 3) (#42)
by manobes on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 02:32:53 PM EST

Terse posts about "Ramen noodles" means exactly hee haw to me, and I'd guess to most readers outside the USA.

I'd be willing to bet that most Japanese readers wouldn't have much trouble identifying them. They're all over Canada as well.


No one can defend creationism against the overwhelming scientific evidence of creationism. -- Big Sexxy Joe


[ Parent ]
I thought it was frozen peas (2.00 / 1) (#56)
by _cbj on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 12:27:54 PM EST

And I second the proposal to use deep-fried Mars bar icons.

[ Parent ]
Ethnocentric? (3.50 / 2) (#69)
by tkatchev on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 02:35:45 PM EST

Hardly. Ramen is a universal icon of Asian cultural domination the world over. It's as universally recognised as Pokemon and crappy anime.

   -- Signed, Lev Andropoff, cosmonaut.
[ Parent ]

Available in Brazil under another name... (none / 0) (#104)
by LodeRunner on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 02:31:07 PM EST

Here it is called "Nissin Miojo". Some of my friends call it "Nissin, que nojo", which means in Portuguese something like "Nissin, how disgusting" :-)

Still, it's my #2 emergency food (right after frozen pizza).


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[ Parent ]

A bowl of rice (4.80 / 5) (#27)
by Rogerborg on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 11:15:24 AM EST

Represents the most globally recognisable food.  Whatever, just make it prepared food, not pre-packaged.  By food section I understand a section on how to produce pleasant meals, not on how to open a packet.

Yes, I understand that the current icon is probably meant to be cute.  Maybe it is to USians, but it's just annoyingly obscure to me.  The USA has only 5% of the world's population.  Sure, USians might make up a large part of K5 readers, but maybe using US cultural imagery is part of the cause of that.

"Exterminate all rational thought." - W.S. Burroughs

Yeah (3.00 / 1) (#53)
by gidds on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 12:11:03 PM EST

For the benefit of the rest of us, what actually is the current icon?  I assume it's something wrapped in cellophane, but it means absolutely nothing to me, and is more reminiscent of something medical than dietary...

Personally, I'd probably choose a cut loaf of bread over a bowl of rice, but either would be more recognisable, especially next to some meat and/or vegetable.  Or perhaps a tomato or pair of carrots?
Andy/
[ Parent ]

Excellent observation (5.00 / 3) (#60)
by KilljoyAZ on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 01:28:45 PM EST

Rusty is promoting US cultural imperialism and driving away internaitonal readers by using an image of a Japanese food product made by a Japanese company. Why hasn't anyone pointed that out before, and what would K5 do without your insight?

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[ Parent ]
Blah (none / 0) (#120)
by Rogerborg on Tue Dec 03, 2002 at 07:18:49 PM EST

And this packaging is well known in India, China, Africa and Europe as well, right?  I mean, you did check that before shooting off your mouth, right?

"Exterminate all rational thought." - W.S. Burroughs
[ Parent ]

Well (none / 0) (#122)
by KilljoyAZ on Wed Dec 04, 2002 at 12:47:54 AM EST

If the Indians, Chinese, Africans and Europeans would step outside their borders once in a while and stop being so Eastern Hemispherocentic, this wouldn't be a problem, now would it?

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[ Parent ]
You don't even need to leave the hemisphere! (none / 0) (#123)
by KilljoyAZ on Wed Dec 04, 2002 at 01:26:59 AM EST

Ramen is global! But it's apparently called "Pasta Ramen" over in Europe.

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[ Parent ]
Hello. (none / 0) (#68)
by tkatchev on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 02:30:15 PM EST

Ramen is a universal food item these days. It's cheaper than tap water and is able to feed you for days.


   -- Signed, Lev Andropoff, cosmonaut.
[ Parent ]

Yes yes yes (none / 0) (#119)
by Rogerborg on Tue Dec 03, 2002 at 07:15:42 PM EST

I'm sure it is in your country.  I, however, have never heard of it nor seen it.

"Exterminate all rational thought." - W.S. Burroughs
[ Parent ]

If your country is Sverige, Rogge-pogge... (none / 0) (#129)
by CRConrad on Fri Dec 06, 2002 at 12:09:38 PM EST

...then those noodles are ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE there too.

Or are you just too bloody stupid to realize that the Merkins are using one particular brand name[*] as a moniker for a whole category? The *least* fucking bit of imagination, intuition, and intelligence in reading the rest of this thread would have made you realize that what they're talking about are those cheap Asian "instant" noodles you can (yes, you CAN!) find in your local supermarket.

From the fact that you didn't, we're forced to conclude that either you didn't look around AT ALL before mouthing off, or you just lack all three of the essential i's mentioned above.

Frankly, I couldn't say which would be worse.

[*]: I've never seen actual _Ramen_ brand "Ramen" noodles, either, but shops in Sweden are full of them under other names. Not only in Uppsala and Stockholm, but places like Hedemora and Falun, too. And this isn't a particularly new development -- I ate a lot of them in the late eighties / early nineties.



      Christian R. Conrad

I live in Finland.
[ Parent ]
Erhm... (none / 0) (#130)
by vectro on Sun Dec 22, 2002 at 06:57:50 PM EST

... the biggest market for instant noodles is by far in China, and while I'm sure the US represents non-insignificant market share, I'm equally sure that it's at least under 20%.

Fact of the matter is, there's not really any food that's commonly eaten worldwide, with the possible exception of rice.

“The problem with that definition is just that it's bullshit.” -- localroger
[ Parent ]

I like it. (4.33 / 3) (#29)
by Work on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 11:28:38 AM EST

I was amused by it. I saw it for the first and thought "oh ho, whats this? Something new! I don't like it - 'cause its new!"

But then! I realized it was a packet of ramen. And all was okay.

Don't worry. It'll be okay if the food icon is a packet of ramen. If only because it makes anal retentive folks keep posting 'suggestions' on replacing it.

Raman (3.66 / 3) (#31)
by David McCabe on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 11:39:50 AM EST

It's ramam. I eat that stuff all the time. It's even the same brand that I buy.

Oh dear god... (4.00 / 2) (#37)
by The Solitaire on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 01:21:05 PM EST

...you're right! I eat ramen all the time, and I still couldn't recognize it as such. But really, if you're gonna use a ramen package, at least use Sapporo Ichiban. It's the Cadillac of the ramen world.

I need a new sig.
[ Parent ]

Not so! (none / 0) (#116)
by Shpongle Spore on Tue Dec 03, 2002 at 04:45:11 PM EST

Nong Shim (a Korean brand) is the true Cadillac of ramen noodles. It comes in much larger packages than most ramen, the noodles are formed into a round shape so they fit in the pot better, and their "hot and spicy" really is very hot and spicy. That, and it costs at least a dollar, whereas IIRC Sapporo Ichiban is more like $0.59.
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[ Parent ]
Too true.. (none / 0) (#121)
by The Solitaire on Tue Dec 03, 2002 at 08:08:20 PM EST

Now that you mention it, I have to agree... I've had them many times, and they're damn tasty. And they have a hell of a lot more flavour (I love the heat!). I stand corrected!

I need a new sig.
[ Parent ]

Hmm... blue food (2.00 / 1) (#33)
by spacejack on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 12:24:35 PM EST

Smarties?

MENTOS! (2.00 / 1) (#45)
by Work on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 04:14:08 PM EST

The freshmaker!

[ Parent ]
Now look here! (4.50 / 2) (#34)
by jabber on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 12:39:14 PM EST

See, once you move out of mommy and daddy's basement, and have to shop for your own food, on a tight budget, AND have to cook the food yourself, on a tight schedule, you'll become intimately aware of how "food-like" a package of Ramen noodles is.

Bananas are those things I buy on rare occasion, that end up going brown on my counter top because I forget to take them to work for lunch.

Ramen wrappers, on the other hand, I can recognize from half way down a supermarket aisle. They're about as ubiquitous in my pantry as pizza boxes are in my trash.

It's the perfect "food" icon.

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Fine fine, HOWEVER (4.66 / 3) (#38)
by Mysidia on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 01:34:24 PM EST

An icon for a food topic on a web site should be recognizable by most people, not just you.

On their icon currently, the words on the er package, aren't even legible.

Something a bit more obvious should be chosen: preferably something that will be recognized as food by a reader of the site, from whatever cultural backgrounds some readers of K5 come from.

See, once you move out of mommy and daddy's basement, and have to shop for your own food, on a tight budget, AND have to cook the food yourself, on a tight schedule, you'll become intimately aware of how "food-like" a package of Ramen noodles is.

That's fairly presumptuous.



-Mysidia the insane @k5
[ Parent ]
Nonsense. (3.00 / 1) (#39)
by qpt on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 01:47:54 PM EST

I have only eaten ramen two or three times in all the time I have been shopping for and making my own food. I ate it slightly more frequently when I was in high school, actually.

The truth is, most people get by just fine rarely if ever eating the stuff. Its taste is wanting, as is its nutritional content. While ramen is undeniably inexpensive, simple, tasty, wholesome foods need not be much more expensive or difficult to prepare. With a little creativity and planning, one can eat quite well for very little.

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[ Parent ]

Wholesome? Cheap? (3.00 / 1) (#55)
by Otto Surly on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 12:27:03 PM EST

While ramen is undeniably inexpensive, simple, tasty, wholesome foods need not be much more expensive or difficult to prepare.

I have grave doubts that you can get the price of a "wholesome" meal (Maruchan mushroom is definitely simple and tasty...) down anywhere near twelve and a half cents. I could believe a dollar, but that's eight packages of Ramen right there.



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[ Parent ]
If I went to a specialist food-importing shop, (none / 0) (#72)
by it certainly is on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 03:19:31 PM EST

I could perhaps buy a pack of "Ramen"-brand noodles for what would be about 5 of your dollars, per pack. On the other hand, I could go to LIDL and buy a packet of cheap noodles for about 40 of your cents. Oddly enough, there is no "impoverished students eat RAMEN™ noodles" cultural artefact in the UK, like there is in North America (and presumably Japan). In the UK, the major supermarkets run own-brand bread, milk and baked beans as major loss leaders. Note that UK baked beans are known as "beans with sauce" in the USA. In the beans price-war, one supermarket sold them for -1p. Now they generally sell for 10p or so. Cheap bread is amazingly both cheap and tasty. The archetypal UK student lives on beans on toast and Special Brew™.

Oh, and UK kids don't generally live in their parents' basements, because most UK houses don't have basements (and if they do, it's usually a tiny cubby-hole, not the same size as the house). They also make houses out of bricks or concrete and don't have air conditioners, should you want to know.

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[ Parent ]

UK Students (none / 0) (#126)
by PenguinWrangler on Wed Dec 04, 2002 at 11:13:19 AM EST

The archetypal UK student lives on beans on toast and Special BrewTM.

Don't forget Pot Noodle!
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[ Parent ]
Forget food (3.25 / 4) (#35)
by Meatbomb on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 12:40:29 PM EST

Rusty, when do I get my %^#*$( section on grandfather clocks?!?

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That's easy!! (3.66 / 3) (#36)
by The Solitaire on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 01:15:02 PM EST

A can of SPAM!

I need a new sig.

Another site tried using a can of SPAM as an icon (none / 0) (#84)
by pin0cchio on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 09:59:14 PM EST

Slashdot once tried using a can of SPAM® luncheon meat as a topic icon. However, it was for unsolicited bulk mailings. After numerous comments warning that trademark owner Hormel Foods may come after OSDN, Slashdot changed the icon to a sculpture of the meat product shaped like a pig. And I'm afraid if K5 were to use a canned meat product, we'd get complaints that the icon reminds readers more of unsolicited advertisements than of food.

I'd suggest a spoon, fork, and knife. Those should be simple enough to fit into the K5 icon style.


lj65
[ Parent ]
No, that's IP (none / 0) (#85)
by pin0cchio on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 10:05:40 PM EST

I'd suggest a spoon, fork, and knife.

No, wait. A popular web site used a set of eating utensils for topic patent law.


lj65
[ Parent ]
Actually, I was kidding [n/t] (none / 0) (#98)
by The Solitaire on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 09:32:55 AM EST



I need a new sig.
[ Parent ]
Aren't all the k5 icons deliberately confusing? (4.00 / 1) (#49)
by arthurpsmith on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 08:24:15 PM EST

What's the icon for k5 here, a bridge collapsing? Is that supposed to be Tacoma Narrows? What does that have to do with the site?

And the humor icon is a full banana, not a banana peal... And does anybody else think the politics icon looks like a hamburger?

Now we won't even mention using color in the icons - that would be like using color in the Gray Lady or something...

Energy - our most critical problem; the solution may be in space.


politics icon (3.00 / 1) (#54)
by mikpos on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 12:17:18 PM EST

I have no idea what it's supposed to be, but I agree it does kind of look like a plastic hamburger.

As for food, after playing video games for much of my earlier life (80's and early 90's, such as Jill of the Jungle and the King's Quests), I have come to the conclusion that there are exactly two icons which universally and unmistakably represent food: mutton, and an apple.

[ Parent ]

It's a hat (none / 0) (#81)
by nardo on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 05:18:24 PM EST

The politics icon is one of these hats

[ Parent ]
grey lady (none / 0) (#58)
by calimehtar on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 12:54:11 PM EST

here. Note the Canadian spelling of 'grey'.

[ Parent ]
K5 icon (none / 0) (#63)
by budcub on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 01:59:46 PM EST

And here all this time I thought the K5 icon was the San Francisco Golden Gate Bridge collapsing.

[ Parent ]
The bridge (none / 0) (#83)
by mayo on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 09:20:49 PM EST

Yep it's supposed to be Tacoma Narrows. Doesn't anybody read the FAQ any more? Here's the exact link in question.

[ Parent ]
How about using the icon for humo(u)r (3.00 / 1) (#50)
by salsaman on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 08:53:17 PM EST

I seem to remember it's a tasty looking banana. Then they could shift along one, and maybe use a clown or something for funny stuff.

I have icons turned off. (3.33 / 6) (#51)
by kitten on Sat Nov 30, 2002 at 09:59:55 PM EST

Who needs 'em? Seriously.

Get over it.
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Icons? What icons? :) (none / 0) (#78)
by iso on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 04:57:36 PM EST

No kidding. Heck, I didn't even realize that k5 had icons until now (I created my user account a very long time ago and must have set a preference somewhere). Who needs 'em?

On a related note, I just noticed that I set my preferences to display k5 in a serif font (Adobe Garamond Regular apparently). Huh. Must have changed that at the time too. The default sans-serif looks really bad by comparison.

- j



[ Parent ]
God Bless Ramen Noodles (4.50 / 2) (#57)
by sethadam1 on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 12:31:28 PM EST

Ahhhh...Ramen noodles, the 6-for-a-buck, college student special.   Ramen noodles are fantastic and so multi-purpose: A cheap meal. A pick-me-up when you're sick.  A quick snack.  A side dish (sans broth).  A meal-to-go.  A well-preserved backup dinner.  

There's simply no denying that Ramen noodles are amongst the most versatile and adaptable foods known today.  I vote to keep the icon.  Long live Ramen!

Don't forget... (none / 0) (#61)
by Otto Surly on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 01:37:30 PM EST

...bathing.

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I can't wait to see The Two Towers. Man, that Legolas chick is hot.
[ Parent ]
6 for a buck. (none / 0) (#67)
by tkatchev on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 02:25:55 PM EST

Around here, you can buy the cheapest Vietnamese Ramen counterfeit for about half that. Although, the Vietnamese stuff tastes like it is made of processed paper. (Also, it's very useful for bums, because you can get almost a full meal for about ten cents.)

The upscale South Korean Ramen tastes much better (upscale Ramen is made without MSG) but costs around 60 cents a pack, which is almost ten times more expensive than the cheapest Ramen.

Interesting.

   -- Signed, Lev Andropoff, cosmonaut.
[ Parent ]

High Quality Ramen (none / 0) (#105)
by Kintanon on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 04:24:40 PM EST

My wife enjoys some incredibly expensive high quality ramen from South Korea, the spicy ramen they have is INCREDIBLY good! It actually tastes like real, honest to goodness, food!

Mmmm..... delicious...

Kintanon

[ Parent ]

Protein (none / 0) (#76)
by MicroBerto on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 04:14:37 PM EST

Ramen is also a good protein gap-filler for those of us who like to work out. I'll get 10g of Protein from a bowl of ramen, which isn't too bad. Throw in a chicken breast and you're even better.

I try to get 160g of protein in a day, and to do so, I need tricks like that and protein shakes (Optimum Nutrition's 100% Whey Protein - Double Rich Chocolate for me!)

Berto
- GAIM: MicroBerto
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[ Parent ]

Nutritional Info... (none / 0) (#94)
by Canar on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 02:32:59 AM EST

How does ramen fare for completeness of protein? Like, how many of the essential amino acids does it contain? Any idea? *ponders a diet of pure ramen and vitamin supplements*

[ Parent ]
yeah, but... (none / 0) (#110)
by sethadam1 on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 09:54:16 PM EST

That 10G of protein is accompanied by about 1000mg of sodium. That part ain't so healthy, chum.

[ Parent ]
Food icon... (none / 1) (#59)
by Zapata on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 01:05:31 PM EST

What would you consider to be the best icon for a Food topic? Not Johnny Cash

"If you ain't got a camel, you ain't Shiite."


I fell into a burning ring of fire (4.00 / 1) (#65)
by theElectron on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 02:02:45 PM EST

...may actually describe an accident with a barbecue grill?

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Join the NRA!
[ Parent ]
Or better yet... (none / 0) (#118)
by artsygeek on Tue Dec 03, 2002 at 07:01:18 PM EST

It would make a good image for a topic heading for flamebait and trolls....allowing folks to get their daily dose of trolls.

[ Parent ]
Use a human leg... (5.00 / 1) (#62)
by baldnik on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 01:43:08 PM EST

so as not to offend us cannibals.

Sir, (none / 0) (#66)
by tkatchev on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 02:20:30 PM EST

I heartily salute you for your astounding achievements in the field of open-mindedness.

I long for a day when people of both cannibal and non-cannibal orientation will get together and hold hands and help to make this planet a better place together, regardless of alimentary orientation and misguided, outmoded prejudices.

   -- Signed, Lev Andropoff, cosmonaut.
[ Parent ]

ramen noodles IS food!!!!!!!!! (5.00 / 1) (#64)
by mikelist on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 02:02:07 PM EST

and I'm astonished that you didn't recognize the package.

My cat is attempting to lick the food icon. (5.00 / 1) (#73)
by dagg on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 03:27:08 PM EST

It must be food. My cat never ever licks anything that is not food. Except for that time he licked a doorknob.
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No food on this site.

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Christ, dagg (none / 0) (#80)
by it certainly is on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 05:16:24 PM EST

Slashdot is bad enough as it is with your opportunistic say-nothing sex-quiz adverts masquerading as comments. Please don't start polluting Kuro5hin with them as well. If you want referral money, send a bloody bulk email to 100 million addresses, for goodness' sake.

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[ Parent ]

Not for gourmets (5.00 / 1) (#74)
by StraGatto on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 03:46:18 PM EST

I agree. Anything inside a plastic bag barely can be considered as "food". Anyway, it cant' be gourmet food, and K5ers are gourmets, it isn't ? I would propose a pizza,or a full dish of spaghetti. Ok, now you all can figure out where I'm from :)

Bagged food bad? (5.00 / 2) (#86)
by Conspir8or on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 11:06:04 PM EST

Anything inside a plastic bag barely can be considered as "food".
Sure, tell that to zombies while they're sacking a morgue.

[ Parent ]
Space Food (5.00 / 1) (#79)
by bhearsum on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 05:13:28 PM EST

It's dehyrdated.

keep the ramen! (5.00 / 4) (#82)
by Focx on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 08:05:58 PM EST

but present them in their enjoyable, prepared form, in a bowl with some chopsticks holding some of them up in the air =)
--- "Even anywhere, humans are always connected." - lain
Spot the Ramen(tm) (none / 0) (#87)
by John Miles on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 11:07:10 PM EST

http://davidst.com/ramen/

http://206.80.120.32/jeffr/ramen/

For so long as men do as they are told, there will be war.

Roundup 1 (4.00 / 4) (#89)
by OzJuggler on Sun Dec 01, 2002 at 11:47:21 PM EST

At the time of writing, the poll was evenly split between the icon being obviously food and non-obviously food (41% each) after 177 votes.

People, it should be obvious from these poll results that there is some controversy over whether the food icon is obviously food. :-) The results are so undecisive I could swear it was a U.S. election. ;)

Let me just address some of the opinions voiced by the anti-Change Ramenite crowd:

  • It's Pork-flavoured Top Ramen ramen noodles made by Nissan Foods - how on earth could you not have recognized the package???!!?!??.

    I don't care how many American college kids recognize a particular package of a particular US-made brand of pre-packaged noodle. If it is not easily recognisable by most people IN THE WORLD as being food, then it is useless as an icon for food. Icons work by association. Like most people outside of your precious clique, I have no association between a low-res picture of the Top Ramen packet and food.

  • See, once you move out of mommy and daddy's basement...

    I spell "Mommy" as Mummy. I have cooked for myself since I moved out of home over 2 years ago and I had never seen or heard of Top Ramen until this thread. Wake up and smell the noodles!

  • So disable icons and get over it.

    Your attitude doesn't really work for me. Maybe I should disable you? The topic icon is there as an aesthetic, graphical, but informative representation of a story topic. Except that the Food icon is basically a bug in kuro5hin insofar as it does not meet its purpose. The idea that I should disable all icons just because one of them is ineffective is to throw the baby out with the bath water.

  • maybe we should use the first match of your suggested Google search.

    I cannot take any responsibility for the images that Google Image search returns for any given query. Why the hell a Johnny Cash cover came back from that search I have no idea.

  • If you have to think twice about what the icon means then that must have been the intent of the icon.

    I hope you don't call that Logic, or valid Reasoning of any kind. Icons are not supposed to be a puzzle. And yes, the use of an apple pie to signify Culture is a particulaly insidious example of U.S. navel gazing, although I have not targeted that picture for change (yet) because I can't think of a culture-neutral way of graphically depicting the concept of Culture. Perhaps someone can help out with that. Food, on the other hand, is so easy to get right - the profits of McDonalds and Coca-Cola depend on it.

All of my arguments are backed up by the present poll results.

To the few pro-Change people (eg Rogerborg, Mysidia, martingale) who insisted the icon is not obviously food, thanks. You're right, for all those reasons, but we just have to educate the Ramenites about the above issues.
"And I will not rest until every year families gather to spend December 25th together
at Osama's homo abortion pot and commie jizzporium." - Jon Stewart's gift to Bill O'Reilly, 7 Dec 2005.

uh (5.00 / 1) (#100)
by Work on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 11:04:58 AM EST

how conviently you ignore the fact that the rest of the icons arent really all that obvious with their topics either.

Like a petri dish for 'culture'. Unless you're intimately familiar with both english and have touch of biology knowledge, you wouldnt know this either.

Or how about the banana for humor - im sure the slapstickery of banana peels is lost on a number.

[ Parent ]

-1, too not US-centric (nt) (none / 0) (#108)
by LilDebbie on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 08:28:59 PM EST



My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
- hugin -

[ Parent ]
Hm... (3.00 / 1) (#93)
by TheEldestOyster on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 02:31:08 AM EST

This article makes me want to write an article about all the different ways I prepare my ramen.
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Yum (none / 0) (#113)
by Josh A on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 10:22:27 PM EST

I like ramen with hot sauce. If you're going to eat junk, it might as well be dangerous over the short term as well as the long term.

---
Thank God for Canada, if only because they annoy the Republicans so much. – Blarney


[ Parent ]
A fork! [n/t] (5.00 / 1) (#95)
by Stereo on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 05:38:21 AM EST


kuro5hin - Artes technicae et humaniores, a fossis


A spork! [n/t] (none / 0) (#97)
by Gully Foyle on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 06:40:06 AM EST


If you weren't picked on in school you were doing something wrong - kableh
[ Parent ]

A foon! [n/t] (none / 0) (#106)
by jt on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 05:45:39 PM EST



[ Parent ]
A Phoon! (none / 0) (#111)
by rusty on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 10:13:15 PM EST

Phoon!

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
My eyes! (none / 0) (#115)
by KilljoyAZ on Tue Dec 03, 2002 at 12:58:12 AM EST

For the love of all things holy, don't click on that link!

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[ Parent ]
Ramen noodles ... (4.00 / 1) (#99)
by GoofyBoy on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 09:57:28 AM EST

... the tool of the culinarily weak.

There are lots of things cheaper per pound than Ramen noodles yet are better/more exciting.

One point about Ramen. (none / 0) (#101)
by tkatchev on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 11:56:14 AM EST

Ramen, unlike, say, grain cereals, can be eaten raw.

You can also cook it in a mug, given a source of hot water. (Say, a teapot.)

   -- Signed, Lev Andropoff, cosmonaut.
[ Parent ]

The questionable merits of Ramen (none / 0) (#102)
by GoofyBoy on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 12:14:43 PM EST

>Ramen, unlike, say, grain cereals, can be eaten raw

Good grief! Under those rules of "can be eaten raw", grain cereals can be eaten raw too.  Yuck.

>You can also cook it in a mug, given a source of hot water.

Culinariy weak! :)

[ Parent ]

Ramen noodles are food?! (5.00 / 1) (#103)
by failrate on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 01:49:38 PM EST

In other news, Soylent Green is people?!
Voodoo Girl is da bomb!
Damn, nothing to do with Korzybski... (none / 0) (#109)
by pla on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 09:34:31 PM EST

And here I thought this article might involve some new insight along the lines of Korzybski's famous "The map is not the territory".

Food, as a basic human behavioral reinforcer, could lend itself to a really nice analogy, had you chosen to take that route.

But no, this involves whether or not Ramen noodles look like Ramen noodles (or count as food at all, apparently). How sad.

Well, to make this at least vaguely on-topic, Ramen noodles look like Ramen noodles. I think I would have gone with "real" Ooodles of Noodles, not the cheap version (heh, cheap, as in, 10/dollar instead of 6/dollar), but so it goes.

;-)

I agree (5.00 / 2) (#112)
by rusty on Mon Dec 02, 2002 at 10:20:12 PM EST

And by "agree," I mean "totally don't care."

In other news, this article is a great example of the auto-poster saving stories with ho-hum voting but pretty amusing discussion. Seems as soon as you mention Ramen, suddenly everyone's got an opinion.

My favorite Ramen is a brand I've only ever sen in New Hampshire, at this one gas station grocery store. It's called SMACK. Big letters, right on the front, just says "SMACK." That's the best name for soup I've ever seen.

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Not the real rusty

Direction (2.33 / 3) (#124)
by OzJuggler on Wed Dec 04, 2002 at 02:49:26 AM EST

Heh.
You know, they say that for any significant progress to be made in an organisation, the direction has to come from the top.

Rusty, thanks for providing zero direction.

About 80% of poll respondants cared about whether the icon was appropriate, and over half of those who cared also said the icon was misleading and, by implication, that it should be changed. No-one has provided substantial reasons why the existing icon is the best possible icon for Food.

Rusty, if you are not the "top" of the k5 organisation, then why did you accept our $40,000 in cash a few months ago? Can we have some direction on site maintenance issues please? If you do not care to make such changes, then delegate this to people who do. The very fact that perfection is unattainable means that the site will always be in need of improvement. :-)

As for the autoposter, hey, I didn't write it. ];-) And I never mentioned Ramen noodles, so this story was carried to the section solely due to the interest it generated in the discerning and intelligent kuro5hin population.

</nasty>

Well I admit I am a little bit miffed at hearing there is something k5-related that you don't care at all about. That's really disenchanting man. One cannot design by committee, I know. Except there is no committee. AFAIK, there is only you, the grand architect of Kuro5hin, and you don't care. I hope you can see the problem that presents.
"And I will not rest until every year families gather to spend December 25th together
at Osama's homo abortion pot and commie jizzporium." - Jon Stewart's gift to Bill O'Reilly, 7 Dec 2005.
[ Parent ]

You have to be kidding (4.50 / 2) (#127)
by rusty on Wed Dec 04, 2002 at 03:05:19 PM EST

I can think of very few things that are smaller or less important to "the direction of the site" than the icon for the food topic.

If you, or anyone else, is so invested in this, make a new icon and if it's better than the Ramen (which many of us, me included, quite like) I'll replace it.

I am providing direction. The direction here is "This is not an issue worth wasting anyone's time on."

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

It should be changed but.. (5.00 / 1) (#117)
by phybre187 on Tue Dec 03, 2002 at 05:20:59 PM EST

..only because Top Ramen clearly sucks. I think the happy noodle boy from the Maruchan bag would be way better. Oh, and I also really don't care. Come on now. It's a fucking image that 3 people ever look at, and the other two are probably reading this article going "what the fuck".

Keep the logo (none / 0) (#128)
by epepke on Wed Dec 04, 2002 at 04:41:29 PM EST

But link it here.

And remember to a apologize to the pork by saying, "See you soon."


The truth may be out there, but lies are inside your head.--Terry Pratchett


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