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Textad Haiku Contest

By rusty in Meta
Mon May 06, 2002 at 02:58:02 PM EST
Tags: Kuro5hin.org (all tags)
Kuro5hin.org

Hot Spring sunshine glares
New leaves wither on the bough
We need more textads.

It seems like once a month or so, text ad sales start to flag and droop a bit, and people need a little reminder that they still exist, and still work pretty well. So, never one to avoid stooping to shameless gimmickry, I typically announce some kind of a contest or event with them. It generally does the trick.

This time around, I'm going with a suggestion dram made a while ago, and having a textad haiku contest. The best haiku textad submitted between now and the end of Thursday (Eastern time) will win an astoundingly generous 20,000 impressions for the winner to use as he or she pleases. A $60.00 value! So read the rules below, and get haikuing.

Update [2002-5-6 13:47:6 by rusty]: Just for the hell of it, I even made a new ad type (credit: it was Driph's idea). So pick the haiku-ad type when you make your ad, and it's $2.00 per thousand (minimum 6,000). Fun with savings. Who could ask for more?


The Rules:

Just make an ad which is in the form of a haiku. Since you can't insert linebreaks, just split the lines with a slash. All ads that are approved and paid for between now and Thursday will be considered entries. Please note that if you pay with a Paypal e-check, chances are it will not clear before next week, so that's not a good way to pay for this purpose.

Friday morning, I'll review them, and pick the one I think best integrates the haiku form and the textad medium. The purchaser will be awarded 20,000 impressions to use as you please. You can put them all on one ad, make a few different ones, give them to your friends, donate them to charity, whatever you like. I will assist the winner in properly disbursing your winnings.

Judgement is solely mine, and all decisions are final, etc etc.

Suggestions

The title (link text) of the ad doesn't have to be part of the haiku. There will probably be extra points if it is, though. But if your link text works as a title, that's ok too.

Special consideration will go to ads that follow the traditional "rules" of haiku, especially including a "season word." Basically, the better your actual haiku is, the more likely it'll win.

Most importantly, have fun. It's for a good cause. ;-)

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Textad Haiku Contest | 88 comments (74 topical, 14 editorial, 0 hidden)
-1, spam. Buy a textad dammit! (4.50 / 4) (#2)
by wiredog on Mon May 06, 2002 at 01:41:28 PM EST

Geeze, all these people submitting articles that are really shameless promotion when they should be buying text ads to support Rusty's cat food habit. They oughta be slapped down. Hard.

Peoples Front To Reunite Gondwanaland: "Stop the Laurasian Separatist Movement!"
Buy? (none / 0) (#10)
by Silent Chris on Mon May 06, 2002 at 02:05:17 PM EST

Eh, it's more like "rent", don't you think?  I'm not keeping it.  I don't get any physical representation on it.

I got it!  A text ad EULA!  Perfect!

[ Parent ]

hmmm (none / 0) (#36)
by Shren on Mon May 06, 2002 at 03:54:30 PM EST

buy numerous text ads they will bring bountiful hits all my rights reserved

[ Parent ]
hmmm (none / 0) (#37)
by Shren on Mon May 06, 2002 at 03:58:22 PM EST

buy numerous text ads

they will bring bountiful hits

all my rights reserved

I've been really fond of the K5 text ads. They are well-targeted and sell good stuff. They are, bar none, the only ads on the net that I don't consider an imposition.

[ Parent ]

Sorry... (none / 0) (#67)
by loucura on Tue May 07, 2002 at 01:44:25 AM EST

I'm broke... I so much rather reading the text-ads anyhow...

As an aside, I never thought I'd say that about any advertising medium... damn you Rusty!

--

[ Parent ]

What a ripoff! (4.00 / 3) (#5)
by DesiredUsername on Mon May 06, 2002 at 01:50:08 PM EST

"...it's $2.00 per thousand (minimum 6,000)."

I would prefer to pay $1 per thousand (minimum 12).

Also I'd like to point out that in a real raffle I pay less money and I get to look at a cute teenage girl while I buy the ticket. If you have any cute female relatives or friends, please post a picture of them in short-shorts and a half-t to stimulate buying. Yeah, buying.

Play 囲碁

well, you are still getting an ad... (none / 0) (#18)
by joshsisk on Mon May 06, 2002 at 02:29:55 PM EST

So if you were inclined to advertise something anyway, and were just biding your time until Rusty dropped the prices, it makes sense.

If you have nothing to advertise, well, yeah - it doesn't make sense to do it, even at the lower price.

I made one, I think mine might be the first entry. Slow day here at work...
--
logjamming.com : web hosting for weblogs, NOT gay lumberjack porn
[ Parent ]

A common myth! (none / 0) (#20)
by rusty on Mon May 06, 2002 at 02:35:55 PM EST

If you have nothing to advertise, well, yeah - it doesn't make sense to do it, even at the lower price.

Of course it still makes sense. Where else can you get that mellow glow of satisfaction in a good community supported, and the mental challenge of constructing a quality haiku, all for just twelve bucks? Go to virtually any bar in the US, and twelve bucks won't even get you a hangover the next day. A bargain! ;-)

By the way, you forgot to include a seasonal reference, and your nature imagery is entirely resting on "logjamming" being the name of the business, which is a little weak. But hey, if no one else enters, you've got it locked up.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

contest? i'm just in it for the benjamins! (none / 0) (#35)
by joshsisk on Mon May 06, 2002 at 03:45:14 PM EST

I, of course, was one of those aformentioned folks who was waiting for the price to drop - though you ever so slyly raised the minimum number of impressions to ensure my actual expenditure would remain the same - or even go up! It worked, since I spent nearly twice as much as I normally do, since it is a perceived bargain.

Outwitted again. Damn you, Rusty.
--
logjamming.com : web hosting for weblogs, NOT gay lumberjack porn
[ Parent ]

I hate haikus (4.50 / 2) (#7)
by JohnJacob on Mon May 06, 2002 at 01:58:11 PM EST

Whenever I hear Haiku, I always think about those western geeks who seem to think that the height of coolness is to do (or watch) everything Japanese.

Why don't you do something like: best Limerick, or Funniest Text-Ad, or best Rhyme, or best integration-of-quote-into-textad?

Alright, I know the answer to my question. But I still hate Haikus.

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Limerick (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by rusty on Mon May 06, 2002 at 02:02:56 PM EST

Don't worry, limericks will be featured in a different contest. :-)

I'm not a Japanophile. But I do like a good haiku. I think at this point, it's more of an internet thing than a Japan thing.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

There once was a textad from Nantucket.... (5.00 / 1) (#12)
by wiredog on Mon May 06, 2002 at 02:09:52 PM EST

Limericks have massive abuse potential...

Peoples Front To Reunite Gondwanaland: "Stop the Laurasian Separatist Movement!"
[ Parent ]
Yah. (none / 0) (#42)
by MattOly on Mon May 06, 2002 at 04:34:13 PM EST

But it's good abuse. Like that kid down the street. I knew his dad kicked his ass daily. And it made me happy. Smug fuck.

====
A final note to...the Republican party. You do not want to get into a fight with David Letterman. ...He's simply more believable than you are.
[ Parent ]

I dislike Haikus too. (4.00 / 1) (#50)
by dram on Mon May 06, 2002 at 05:59:55 PM EST

And it was my idea. I dislike most poetry, I suck at it. But I will try, maybe rusty will give me a few bonus points in his judging for comming up with the idea.

-dram
[grant.henninger.name]

[ Parent ]
It helps to have some background. (5.00 / 2) (#82)
by jolly st nick on Wed May 08, 2002 at 10:25:04 AM EST

The problem is that poetry is a decadent art form. That is to say one that has accreted so much technique and convention that it is hard for a person without specific schooling in the subject to simply enjoy. Two hundred years ago, poetry was a popular art form in the Western world. Now it is largely an academic one.

Japanese poetry provides something of a cyclic model of this. In the earliest days, "important" poetry was written in Chinese using Chinese forms. Court poetry in the Japanese language (called waka) was an everyday, commonplace thing. People wrote poems on every conceivable kind of occasion. The Japanese form was reserved for spontaneous kinds of work, and valued sincerety and simplicity. Once this kind of poetry was recognized as something valuable in itself, people began to study it critically and obtain a kind of encyclopedic knowledge of the early collections like the Manyoshu and Kokinshu.

This critical sophistication had advantages and disadvantages. One can easily read the Manyoshu poems (at least in translation) without any sophisticated knowledge, but later court poems in this style became like icebergs with 9/10 of their bulk below the surface. They were meant to be read by somebody who would catch the merest hint of an allusion to well known, or even obscure prior art. The benefit is that the poems that have a lot of content in a very small space. The cost is that reading and writing them becomes much more strenuous.

As waka were a kind of informal break from the rigors of Chinese poetry, Japanese poets began to engage in a kind of social event called linked poetry (renga). Several poets would contribute alternating 5-7-5 and 7-7 verses in a marathon drinking and versifying session. Naturally, this tradition rapidly began to develop complicated rules, in which each new contribution was expected to move the poem in a particular direction. People began to collect initial 5-7-5 verses they chess enthusiasts collect chess problems. These were called Hokku. When the drafting of hokku became a recognized art form in itself, haiku was born. Haiku, in a way, was born as a decadent art form.

Most English readers enjoy the 5-7-5 verse form in a very different way than somebody with a serious interest in haiku. For one thing the rhythms of English are very different from Japanese. Indigenous poetic forms vary between languages because the sounds of the languages differ. In Italian or Latin, poem forms are built around long and short vowels; in Japanese, around syllable counts, in English, around the placement and alternation of stressed and unstressed syllables ("Around the rock the rugged rascal ran"). Japanese poetry is based on syllable counts. For English speakers, the 5-7-5 verse form is a very casual form. We enjoy it because it is free of requirements of stress patterns that a longer English poem must pay attention to, even if it is in free verse form, to sound poetic in our ears.

I think that the kind of people who frequent K5 are quite capable of reading and enjoying poetry, but many need some basic grounding in the theory and practice. Since everyone here reads English, I think learning about English poetry first makes sense. For that I'd recommend Burton Raffel's "How to Read a Poem", which explains issues like imagery and scansion very clearly, and a number of excellent and diverse examples. For a basic grounding in Japanese poetry, I'd recommend becoming familiar with the Manyoshu. These early works are the most accessible of Japanese poetry.



[ Parent ]

There was an interesting article... (none / 0) (#54)
by leviramsey on Mon May 06, 2002 at 07:04:23 PM EST

...in Details a while back (I want to say April '02) on the obsession for all things Asian (from pr0n to anime to literature to women).



[ Parent ]
I'm vindicated (4.60 / 5) (#8)
by Happy Monkey on Mon May 06, 2002 at 02:02:22 PM EST

despite having no content,
Mine had high clickthrough.
___
Length 17, Width 3
I bought a new one. (5.00 / 1) (#77)
by Happy Monkey on Tue May 07, 2002 at 03:08:25 PM EST

It is not as successful.
People must not like monkeys.
___
Length 17, Width 3
[ Parent ]
Important (offtopic) Question (3.00 / 2) (#13)
by wiredog on Mon May 06, 2002 at 02:12:41 PM EST

Where are all the UKians today? Did Rusty do something so vile that they are boycotting us?

Y'know, I haven't seen too many of the european lefties here today either.

Something interesting happen while I was off in the woods annoying the Secret Service last weekend?

Peoples Front To Reunite Gondwanaland: "Stop the Laurasian Separatist Movement!"

We're all slacking. (none / 0) (#21)
by sams on Mon May 06, 2002 at 02:36:50 PM EST

It's a bank holiday in the UK today.

[ Parent ]
Ahhhh (none / 0) (#22)
by wiredog on Mon May 06, 2002 at 02:38:15 PM EST

So instead of going to work and cruising k5 on the clock, you're all down at the pub getting sloshed.

Peoples Front To Reunite Gondwanaland: "Stop the Laurasian Separatist Movement!"
[ Parent ]
For the Brits... (4.50 / 2) (#26)
by rusty on Mon May 06, 2002 at 02:46:18 PM EST

Spring Bank Holiday!
Another round, my good man!
Lesh go muh flat 'n...


____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
As a UKian non-drinker (none / 0) (#34)
by thebrix on Mon May 06, 2002 at 03:42:52 PM EST

(yes, there are about seven of them) I'm nicely tucked up at home reading and contributing to K5 because of another great tradition (cold, grey weather ...).

[ Parent ]
Damn right! (none / 0) (#74)
by FredBloggs on Tue May 07, 2002 at 11:10:03 AM EST

>you're all down at the pub getting sloshed.

Several.

[ Parent ]

Some non-original haikus (1.00 / 1) (#23)
by webwench on Mon May 06, 2002 at 02:40:27 PM EST

Portrait of the w3nch as a... by webGrinch Location: suburbs Age: 30 Sex : F previous entry : Good quotes (3) next entry: It's been a while... a LONG while... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return. Yesterday it worked. Today it is not working. Windows is like that. Out of memory. We wish to hold the whole sky, but we never will. Stay the patient course. Of little worth is your ire. The network is down. With search comes loss And the presence of absence: "My Novel" not found.

Preview is my friend (none / 0) (#24)
by webwench on Mon May 06, 2002 at 02:43:01 PM EST

Redo:

Chaos reigns within.
Reflect, repent, and reboot.
Order shall return.

Yesterday it worked.
Today it is not working.
Windows is like that.

Out of memory.
We wish to hold the whole sky,
but we never will.

Stay the patient course.
Of little worth is your ire.
The network is down.

With search comes loss
And the presence of absence:
"My Novel" not found.

[ Parent ]

Where's the challenge there? (4.50 / 4) (#25)
by orlkorrect on Mon May 06, 2002 at 02:45:24 PM EST

You have gotten soft.
Haiku are for sissy men.
Sonnets - that's the stuff.

Or maybe villanelles...

No, drapas are the way to go! (nt) (none / 0) (#27)
by jonnyq on Mon May 06, 2002 at 02:54:53 PM EST



[ Parent ]
Would that be... (none / 0) (#29)
by jolly st nick on Mon May 06, 2002 at 03:25:44 PM EST

Italian, or Shakespearian?

[ Parent ]
Will senryu be accepted? (4.33 / 3) (#28)
by jolly st nick on Mon May 06, 2002 at 03:24:24 PM EST

Haiku is supposed to have a nature theme. I have a feeling that most of your submissions will actually be senryu -- 5-7-5 verses with a social or satirical theme. ;-)

Laid off programmer; /
Code once fell from keyboard like /
Spring cherry blossoms.



Haiku encouraged (none / 0) (#30)
by rusty on Mon May 06, 2002 at 03:26:19 PM EST

Senryu is acceptable -- the only strict rule is 5 - 7 - 5. But to win the contest, it's almost certainly going to have to have a good nature theme.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Good nature/bad nature? (5.00 / 4) (#43)
by MattOly on Mon May 06, 2002 at 04:40:22 PM EST

UID of 3
my Satanosphere account
grows L33T like flower

====
A final note to...the Republican party. You do not want to get into a fight with David Letterman. ...He's simply more believable than you are.
[ Parent ]

please, i don't know what this is (1.00 / 1) (#31)
by tps12 on Mon May 06, 2002 at 03:27:52 PM EST

What is a text-ad? I assume they are advertisements in the form of text, but where can I see them "in action"? Do they show up as stories (as on slashdot) or as messages (as in email)? And what is the "good cause" alluded to? Just k5, right?

Holy fucking shit.
I can't fucking believe it.
I'm going to cry.

Textads (none / 0) (#32)
by rusty on Mon May 06, 2002 at 03:31:44 PM EST

You can see textads in the top left corner of any section page (look for the telltale orange border). You can buy them here, and get a lot more info starting here.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Unless (none / 0) (#33)
by skim123 on Mon May 06, 2002 at 03:34:11 PM EST

You are a subscriber and you have ads turned off (from back in the days when there were graphical ads). In that case you need to turn Ad display back on and they will start appearing in the upper-left, as rusty said (or just log out and you will see them).

Money is in some respects like fire; it is a very excellent servant but a terrible master.
PT Barnum


[ Parent ]
It was not Driph's idea, it was mine. (1.00 / 1) (#38)
by dram on Mon May 06, 2002 at 04:00:49 PM EST

Rusty,

Please look over your old emails, it was my idea. Thanks.

-dram
[grant.henninger.name]

I wish i could delete my comment (5.00 / 2) (#39)
by dram on Mon May 06, 2002 at 04:03:09 PM EST

/me hangs his head in shame.

I should read more and talk less.

-dram
[grant.henninger.name]

[ Parent ]

Heh (none / 0) (#41)
by rusty on Mon May 06, 2002 at 04:33:45 PM EST

Driph was just getting credit for the reduced price for haiku ads. I credited you for the contest idea. Thanks. :-)

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Yeah, I got that. (5.00 / 2) (#47)
by dram on Mon May 06, 2002 at 05:39:12 PM EST

Once I read the story instead of skimming it I saw what you had said. Thats why I posted the second comment. Sorry for thinking that you had misspoken, you are perfect, I will never doubt you again. ;)

-dram
[grant.henninger.name]

[ Parent ]
Damn right! ;-) (none / 0) (#48)
by rusty on Mon May 06, 2002 at 05:56:05 PM EST



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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
don't you mean (5.00 / 1) (#80)
by Delirium on Wed May 08, 2002 at 02:41:49 AM EST

Driph suggested "cheap"
dram said, "you should have a game!"
rusty is a goose

[ Parent ]
Just one juror? (4.00 / 3) (#40)
by cyberdruid on Mon May 06, 2002 at 04:19:21 PM EST

Season matters not.
Egocentric Rusty likes
haiku with his name.

ads (3.00 / 1) (#44)
by demi on Mon May 06, 2002 at 04:45:19 PM EST

my clickthru rate was
about four percent for four
thousand impressions



You forgot the nature imagery (5.00 / 2) (#46)
by rusty on Mon May 06, 2002 at 05:23:36 PM EST

Like geese flying home
Four percent of viewers clicked
Summer warms my site.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Aww man (none / 0) (#45)
by reddirt on Mon May 06, 2002 at 05:09:04 PM EST

I buy an ad using the much-maligned PayPal and include a haiku as the purchase instructions and I don't even get a smiley back out of it.  That was two for the price of one ... ;)

-- James
non-ad (4.16 / 6) (#49)
by mongoose on Mon May 06, 2002 at 05:56:45 PM EST

spring air is swirling

clearing away a sales pitch

I've no site to push

-m

Since this was my brain child I feel obliged to... (4.00 / 3) (#51)
by dram on Mon May 06, 2002 at 06:07:10 PM EST

submit an ad for my site, no matter how bad I am at any sort of poetry. I have come up with three different ones but I dont know which one I like, I think that really I dislike all of them. I need to find out some way to encorporate a nature theme. What do people think of the three I have come up with so far? (any spelling errors will be corrected before the ad is submitted)

Discuss Politics
In a place fore politics / Not tech and culture

Ingenuitas
A Scoop site for dissussion / about politics

Red, Blue, and White too
If you discuss politics / A nice site for you

Maybe I can do something about the blossoms in DC in the spring/summer (whenever that happens). We will see.

-dram
[grant.henninger.name]

Chery blossoms (none / 0) (#52)
by Happy Monkey on Mon May 06, 2002 at 06:13:10 PM EST

Sorry, you missed them. They were a few weeks back.
___
Length 17, Width 3
[ Parent ]
How about (none / 0) (#53)
by rusty on Mon May 06, 2002 at 06:16:34 PM EST

Spring breezes blow free
On top of the great mountain
Ingenuitas!

Haiku is all about modd and elliptical expression. You may be thinking too literally. :-)

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

or mebbe (none / 0) (#58)
by wolf trap on Mon May 06, 2002 at 08:11:39 PM EST

Ingenuitas / the thunder and lightening of / political thought

--

Il faudrait les inventer, those hooks, on purpose for me alone, for, if you only knew, Alyosha, what a blackguard I am.
[ Parent ]

So. . . (3.66 / 3) (#55)
by WhiteBandit on Mon May 06, 2002 at 07:36:23 PM EST

My question is, when do we get to have the limerick contest? :-D (Actually, I don't think the max length of the ads would allow limericks to be that functional.) But that would be so great! The things you can do with limericks.

Our great leader named Rusty,
likes (we think) girls whom are busty.
created a site called Kuro5hin,
now my mojo will surely have erosion,
But all this programming made him musty!

Yes! Now if I could incorporate that into an add.

Dave

Oops (none / 0) (#56)
by WhiteBandit on Mon May 06, 2002 at 07:38:10 PM EST

In my infinite wisdom, I see that this was already posted. Ahem, sorry about that.

Dave

[ Parent ]

My hand. (none / 0) (#57)
by MattOly on Mon May 06, 2002 at 07:55:52 PM EST

There was once an ad from China...

I'd better not, on second thought.

====
A final note to...the Republican party. You do not want to get into a fight with David Letterman. ...He's simply more believable than you are.
[ Parent ]

Doesn't scan as a Limerick to me... (none / 0) (#76)
by meaningless pseudonym on Tue May 07, 2002 at 01:59:02 PM EST

Definition on Wikipedia: http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Limerick+poem (Picked as top link from Google :-)

How about (near same content, better Limerick form):

We have a great leader named Rusty,
Who likes (we think) girls who are busty.
He created this site,
My Mojo's now s**te,
But thanks to his coding he's musty!

I'm sure K5 can collectively write something better than this, though...

While writing an ad for K5
I felt an incredible drive
To post mindless ads
And amuse all the lads
While helping the site to survive

No, that's not great, it's supposed to be an inspiration for others to improve upon ;-)


[ Parent ]

Ahem (4.00 / 3) (#59)
by Tatarigami on Mon May 06, 2002 at 10:32:11 PM EST

Tragedy this day
A dead cow upon my step
Front door won't open

My best effort, and it's not even original. Maybe I shouldn't give up the day job just yet.

Automatic haiku detection (4.50 / 2) (#60)
by mbrubeck on Mon May 06, 2002 at 10:40:09 PM EST

This reminds me of an old project I never finished. I wanted to take this haiku detector (which uses a phonetic word list from CMU to search for "found haiku"), and turn it into a procmail rule. The idea was that I could have a special address or mail folder that only accepted a message if its contents had haiku form. If someone wanted me to see their email right away, they'd have to phrase it as a haiku. Or something like that.

Um, isn't this illegal? (3.00 / 1) (#63)
by delmoi on Tue May 07, 2002 at 12:52:06 AM EST

Since you have to pay to be in the contest, and there is a cash-valued rewared, it could be considered gambling.
--
"'argumentation' is not a word, idiot." -- thelizman
Contest of skill (4.00 / 1) (#64)
by CokeFiend on Tue May 07, 2002 at 01:26:20 AM EST

Since it's a contest of skill, not chance, I don't think it's considered gambling.

Some friends and I looked into this a while ago because we were thinking of starting an online raffle type site. The laws are weird and vary quite a bit state to state and country to country.

[ Parent ]

Pay (none / 0) (#65)
by delmoi on Tue May 07, 2002 at 01:32:50 AM EST

Well, there are no restrictions on contensts in general, but the problem is that you have to pay to be in the contenst.
--
"'argumentation' is not a word, idiot." -- thelizman
[ Parent ]
Hmm... (none / 0) (#69)
by KilljoyAZ on Tue May 07, 2002 at 02:15:32 AM EST

Well the cereal companies say you can enter by mailing in a postcard with your name, address, etc. Maybe just to be safe with the Feds Rusty should accept haikus via mail too.

===
Creativitiy cannot be SPELT by over 98% of all American troops. - psychologist
[ Parent ]
Game of Chance (none / 0) (#72)
by CokeFiend on Tue May 07, 2002 at 02:20:25 AM EST

The cereal companies do that because it's usually a game of chance (a random drawing) and they can't require you to purchase anything to enter.

[ Parent ]
Marathons, Ice skating competitions, etc (none / 0) (#70)
by rusty on Tue May 07, 2002 at 02:15:46 AM EST

I think that since this is not a game of chance but a judged game of skill (i.e. a poetry contest) it's not gambling. Plenty of sporting events and the like have entrance fees, cahs prizes,  and are judged.

When dram originally suggested the contest, I thought the same thing -- that it would be gambling. On further reflection, I don't think it is.

IANAL, and I haven't even made a cursory effort to find out if I'm right or not, so take it for what it's worth.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Skill (none / 0) (#71)
by CokeFiend on Tue May 07, 2002 at 02:18:28 AM EST

Right, games of chance which you have to pay for are definitely illegal. It's ok to have say an essay contest or a tennis tournament with an entry fee though, because they are games of skill.

Look here under "contest laws".

It's a crappy reference, I know there's better ones out there but it's 2 am.

[ Parent ]

I don't need a contest... (4.66 / 3) (#66)
by Erbo on Tue May 07, 2002 at 01:36:18 AM EST

Bought one ad so far
Since I have a site to hype:
It's Electric Minds.

Will buy more anon,
First I must hack Venice code
To track inbound clicks.

Clickthrough rates I have,
But how many clicking folks
Signed up for E-Minds?

That's the kind of thing
That would be useful to know
When buying text ads.

Not your fault, Rusty.
I just need to prepare more
For a big campaign.

As for my post here:
We have haiku topics, too,
On Electric Minds!

:-)
--
Electric Minds - virtual community since 1996. http://www.electricminds.org

Haiku (none / 0) (#68)
by rusty on Tue May 07, 2002 at 02:12:43 AM EST

I like the haiku ad type so much that I'm probably just going to keep it. It amuses the hell out of me that people can always save a buck per thou on ads if they write them in haiku. Someone at a conference called me "subversive" once. :-)

So, you can do a haiku ad whenever you like.

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Subversive, yes! (none / 0) (#75)
by Erbo on Tue May 07, 2002 at 12:22:57 PM EST

Who knows, you could be starting a trend!

I've posted mention of your new haiku ads in a topic we've got going for discussing how to advertise Electric Minds (here). We have some talented haiku writers who might relish such a challenge.

Eric
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Me too. (none / 0) (#78)
by MattOly on Tue May 07, 2002 at 05:58:38 PM EST

I'm getting my users here. And mine are dirty. We will bury you! ;-)

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A haiku contest? (4.00 / 1) (#81)
by Delirium on Wed May 08, 2002 at 03:54:11 AM EST

Like a slowly falling leaf
You've too much spare time

Haiku (none / 0) (#83)
by MickLinux on Wed May 08, 2002 at 04:07:43 PM EST

Type...

Layout...

Images.

Page, thirty bucks.

Quark doc (extra, Word.)

dscpubl@picusnet.com (We do tech study guides, lab manuals, etc.) But we're not big enough to actually buy ads.

I make a call to grace, for the alternative is more broken than you can imagine.

Twelve bucks? (none / 0) (#84)
by rusty on Wed May 08, 2002 at 04:20:24 PM EST

You're not big enough to drop twelve bucks on a textad? The floor of my car is big enough to cover that... :-)

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Haiku (none / 0) (#85)
by MickLinux on Wed May 08, 2002 at 04:32:07 PM EST

Text

Gentle

Fast Loading.

so clickable

Browser does not crash

I do like the text ads. But what I really would like was a good text ad search engine. That is, you use the Google search engine style algorithm to allow a person to select what kinds of ads they'd like to see. They can click the ad, click "Like" or click "Dislike", and the ads will start to match what the person wants to see ads for, probability-wise.

I make a call to grace, for the alternative is more broken than you can imagine.

No, not big enough (none / 0) (#86)
by MickLinux on Thu May 09, 2002 at 03:03:15 AM EST

More to the point, we're not big enough to waste $12 bucks if it doesn't work, and we're not big enough to handle a flood if it does work. In other words, we're not big enough where advertising makes sense yet. I'd like to get there, though.

I make a call to grace, for the alternative is more broken than you can imagine.

curious (none / 0) (#87)
by emmons on Thu May 09, 2002 at 04:56:41 PM EST

What are you replying to?

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This (none / 0) (#88)
by rusty on Thu May 09, 2002 at 05:07:47 PM EST

This comment. Not sure why he's not using the "Reply to this" link. :-)

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