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First Unofficial k5 Fiction Challenge: Nov. 30, 2003

By transient0 in Meta
Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 05:39:31 AM EST
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The K5 fiction section is much derided for a) not belonging on a tech/culture site and b) offering only low quality drivel by uninspired hacks.

I am not here to try to convince believers of either of these propositions otherwise. I am here to offer an entertaining proposal for those who believe neither.

I present to you: THE FIRST UNOFFICIAL k5 FICTION CHALLENGE


Witnessing that localroger and myself are collectively responsible for six of the last ten fiction stories to be posted, I believe that in truth the true problem with the section is lack of participation (not that I'm excluding the possibility that both of us are uninspired hacks).

The k5 modsub queue is the rare and vicious beast known as an amateur medium that holds itself to near-professional standards. As a writer who has submitted to professional print markets on several occasions, I can tell you that the amount of attention and feedback which your story will receive here, even if it is voted down, far exceeds the consideration you can expect from even the most good natured editor.

To those of you who have never written a piece of fiction in your life: This is your chance to give it a shot. If you have no illusions, you have nothing to lose.

To those of you who have a secret authorial dream, but fear your prose to be inadequate: Maybe you're right but how will you ever know, how will you ever improve, without feedback?

To those of you who fancy yourself real writers: This is your chance to test your mettle.

This is a call to ALL k5ers. On the day of the k5 fiction challenge, you need not fear the "-1 fiction" vote. For you will certainly receive it, but you will not be alone. You need not be embarrassed of your words. For surely someone else's will be worse.

On the last day of this month (Nov. 30, 2003), I hereby challenge each and every one of you to submit your fiction to the queue. Whether this story lives or dies, you can rest assured that I will be there, and I hope to have some company.

DETAILS:

  • Requirements: Only that it be an original work of fiction that you have created. No length or topic restrictions (If this challenge goes over well, we might consider themes for future instances). It is not even necessary that you write it between now and then. It can be something that has been sitting in your junk folder for years. Just post it.
  • When: Nov. 30, 2003. All challenge entries must be posted to the edit or voting queue between 00:00:01 and 23:59:59 EST on the thirtieth of the month. Due to the amount of time that a story can collectively sit in these two queues, that means the contest will not officially close until noon on Dec. 3, 2003.
  • Prizes: There will be at least one, hopefully several. First Prize will go to the first piece to hit front page, with successive prizes going to the subsequent FP stories, then sequentially through any stories which make section. If you have any prizes you wish to donate, leave a comment here. If people show interest in the challenge, I will try to solicit a few appropriate prizes. At the very least, I will mail the winner something cool.
  • So wait, what do I need to do? Just submit your fiction to the queue on the 30th. That's it. If you want to vote this story into section, or leave a comment here letting everyone know you're going to participate, it might help generate interest. But certainly neither of those things are required for participation.
  • Aren't we just going to make the anti-fiction contingent madder and more vocal than ever? Probably. But what could be more fun? ;)
  • But NaNoWriMo... NANOWRIMO!!! Oh yes, right. November is also National Novel Writing Month in which thousands of optimistic inviduals attempt to write a novel in thirty days. Someone has pointed out that at least a couple of k5ers appear to be taking part. Submitting your NaNoWriMo novel is within the scope of this contest, but you might consider that k5 is not the ideal forum for works over about five thousand words. If you do want to submit your novel, for reasons of etiquette, you should definitely host it off-site and submit a link to it, along with perhaps an intro and the first chapter.
Update [2003-11-7 13:11:45 by driph]:

A couple of quick updates from transient0:

EXTENDED SUBMISSION WINDOW: Due to considerations of the limitations of the queue, any fiction story submitted after 00:00:01 EST Nov. 23, 2003 and before 23:59:59 EST Nov. 30, 2003 will be considered for the contest.

MODIFIED RANKING SYSTEM: In order to prevent a crowding towards to front of the deadline, the ranking will no longer be determined by speed through the queue. Front Page articles will still automatically rank ahead of Section Page articles which will rank ahead of dumped articles, but within categories, ranking will be in order of highest +1FP/+1SE ratio.

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First Prize - Autographed copy of localroger's novel The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect (Dead Tree Format)
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Third Prize - Package of random (non-terroristy) stuff from yours truly

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Poll
Will you be participating?
o Yes! 21%
o Maybe!!!!! 32%
o No, but I'm interested to see what others submit. 32%
o No, it's a stupid idea. 1%
o -1 transient0 (This might be a good idea if someone else had it) 1%
o -1 fiction 9%
o -1 meta 0%

Votes: 52
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First Unofficial k5 Fiction Challenge: Nov. 30, 2003 | 134 comments (111 topical, 23 editorial, 2 hidden)
I Hate the Fiction Section. (2.70 / 10) (#1)
by Run4YourLives on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 12:36:46 PM EST

But this idea is intriguing, and I'm interested enough to submit a story myself.

I have a problem though - the deadline.

The deadline is too soon. A major reason why K5 fiction is so gawd-awfully bad is that author's don't spend nearly enough time developing their idea.

Extend that deadline to maybe the end of the month (or even over the christmas "break" - when more folk have time to read.) and I'm with you.

It's slightly Japanese, but without all of that fanatical devotion to the workplace. - CheeseburgerBrown

you're right. (2.57 / 7) (#2)
by transient0 on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 12:38:45 PM EST

I was thinking that since k5 is a medium best suited to short work, a short dealine should be fine. But on consideration, I am moving it to the end of the month.
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good stuff. (1.75 / 4) (#3)
by Run4YourLives on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 12:42:32 PM EST

I'll see if I can fit a story into my schedule.

It's slightly Japanese, but without all of that fanatical devotion to the workplace. - CheeseburgerBrown
[ Parent ]
1 reservation (2.66 / 9) (#6)
by clover_kicker on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 01:20:28 PM EST

Cool idea, the edit queue is the best thing about scoop.

I wonder if too many stories in the queue will dilute the available editorial resources? Some people put a lot of time into their editorial comments, will they be willing to put the same effort into all 20 stories in the queue at once?

Best of luck. I'm too dumb to write original fiction, but I'll attempt to help with stories in the queue.
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I am the very model of a K5 personality.
I intersperse obscenity with tedious banality.

Thats funny. (1.80 / 5) (#9)
by AnimalChin on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 01:32:05 PM EST

Someone told me just this morning that I ought to try writing fiction. Who am I to question?

Have you seen him?

Question (2.00 / 3) (#11)
by TheOnlyCoolTim on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 02:18:39 PM EST

Did you really create this contest with a deadline of November 30th without being aware of NaNoWriMo?

Tim
"We are trapped in the belly of this horrible machine, and the machine is bleeding to death."

um...... (n/t) (2.00 / 3) (#12)
by transient0 on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 02:24:51 PM EST


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[ Parent ]
I disagree with your premise. (2.38 / 13) (#13)
by mwalker on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 02:54:14 PM EST

"I believe that in truth the true problem with the section is lack of participation".

I disagree. I write science fiction, and I read k5, but the main reason I don't try to mix the two is that much like trailer parks, k5 is filled with people who just seem to need to beat on someone. Many of these people have a carefully honed hatred for fiction, and their reaction is akin to that of a drunken husband whose wife has failed to microwave a TV dinner. The single draft I submitted to the edit queue spent four hours there before I pulled it after receiving more abuse than a KKK parade in Harlem. I prefer to submit my stories instead to journals whose reject and accept letters tend not to use phrases such as "that story was so bad I wish I could s**t on your mother's face for giving birth to you".

I do like your idea, however, because it's kind of a distributed denial of service attack on the critics. There's only so many people one can berate in a day and with luck my story will get voted down with a minimum of fuss. I've cleaned it up since the draft, but here's a diary copy of the original (I'll probably just resubmit this again, no need to trash any other work):

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/5/13/201212/296

See you on the 30th.

somehow (2.40 / 5) (#14)
by transient0 on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 03:01:11 PM EST

I always sort of preferred the personalized offensive put-downs to the impersonal rejection letters from editors (although nothing beats personal rejection letters (except sales)).

Also with k5, you will actually get a surprising amount of good advice. Sure some it is phrased like "You're an awful writer for reasons X, Y and Z and you're probably too much of an idiot to ever do anything about it," but even that is useful if you take it with a grain of salt.

Not to mention that there are just as many people here who seem unashamed to heap praise on anything they enjoy. Each "that was great" post makes up for three "cut off your fingers please" posts.

Besides, developing a thick skin is a necessary thing for a professional writer to do and k5 is a pretty good place to do that.
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[ Parent ]

You're right, really. (2.25 / 3) (#16)
by mwalker on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 03:11:54 PM EST

It's not really just the abuse. Anybody who uses the web in general for long enough is going to develop a pretty thick skin.

I guess my problem with it goes back to something localroger said: once you've published something on k5, no print publication will touch it. It's like taking this story that you've spent a few weeks on and taking a match to it - not only has it been voted down as F-1ction, but since it's been released to k5 on the Internet it's now impossible to submit it anywhere else. Journals can't touch it after that. That means that no matter how much you love the story, it's final resting place is your diary. There's no life after that death.

The abusive comments are just the straw; that's the anvil. As far as useful feedback, I don't know, the S/N is pretty low. Most of the feedback on TMOPI (which I loved) was in my opinion bullshit. If localroger had implemented any of it, it would have made the book worse. If you're getting good feedback personally then I guess it's a decent place to vet stories that didn't come out quite right, but that's all I'd use it for.

Anyway I think in short that there would be more participation if it wasn't such a flaming dead end.

[ Parent ]

That only matters (1.80 / 5) (#17)
by TheOnlyCoolTim on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 03:16:16 PM EST

If you care about publishing.

As far as comments go, I've been posting links to my NaNoWriMo work-in-progress and I've gotten decent feedback. The worst feedback I got was one guy who said "I hated it! And I didn't even read it."

Tim
"We are trapped in the belly of this horrible machine, and the machine is bleeding to death."
[ Parent ]

publishing. (2.25 / 4) (#21)
by transient0 on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 03:49:07 PM EST

This is another issue altogether which I'm still giving a lot of thought to. I have submitted a re-written version of Enn-Eye to a print source with full disclosure about its appearance here. We'll see what they have to say. Here's my current thoughts though:

  1. Not everything is traditionally publishable - This goes way beyond just measures of things that are good or bad. My most recent two k5 stories for example would be very hard to find a traditional publisher for. I am proud of them and think that their quality reflects well on me, but they aren't genre, neither are they mainstream. The paying print markets are limited by what audiences can be profitably catered to. The Internet is a great place for publishing works which have redeeming qualities but aren't profitable.
  2. Not getting paid is not the same as torching your work - You should always remember that what you have just written is (hopefully!) not the best thing you will ever write. I don't believe that there is anyone who doesn't start off their fiction career writing crap. From humble beginnings, the life of an author is a constant learning process. Each story you write is a chance for you to learn and grow and is worthwhile in its own right regardless of whether you get paid for it or ever whether it ever gets read. Also, contrary to your statement that Internet publication is the death of a story, a good story online will often attract a larger readership than it would have in any paying media (look how much 'net attention MOPI has gotten). For an author, like a business, publicity is always good.
  3. The edit queue doesn't count as prior publication - If your piece gets voted down, there is nothing to prevent you from submitting it to print publications. Definitions are still being written regarding the Internet, publication and author's rights. In fact, several publishers vocally state that they do not consider Internet publication to be "publication" at all for First Rights purposes. The general consensus is that, at the very least, a piece may be displayed in a web forum where a limited number of password protected accounts may review it without giving up ANY rights. The k5 voting and edit queue counts as such a forum (although the Diaries, Sections and Front Page do not).
  4. Reprints do get published sometimes - Even if you have published your piece to k5's front page, there are magazines and book publishers which accept submissions of previously published work (F&SF for example) so long as the author has retained all rights (which you do when you post to k5). They are likely to look particularly favorably on quality previously published work which has appeared in a forum with high standards but limited scope and readership (like k5). Also, should you ever actually become a successful author, there is nothing at all to prevent you from collecting your digitally published work into a print anthology.

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[ Parent ]
Disagree on #3 (none / 2) (#23)
by mwalker on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 04:02:14 PM EST

I have been told by more than one source explicitly that anything "publicly displayed" in an online medium will be summarily rejected, regardless of its current availability. So getting your story voted down & hidden or just putting it in the edit queue is enough to doom it for any purpose other than online publication elsewhere.

[ Parent ]
yes (2.00 / 5) (#35)
by transient0 on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 05:18:21 PM EST

But the edit queue doesn't count as publicly displayed, because only K5 members (with passwords) can view it.

Without this amendment, such publishers would condemn online writing circles and workshops, which have become very popular in the industry. This has been talked over, and I haven't heard of any piece being rejected for being displayed exclusively to members on a community site for purposes of feedback.
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[ Parent ]

read your story (2.50 / 6) (#18)
by transient0 on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 03:21:10 PM EST

enjoyed it.

Have a couple of thoughts, but here isn't the place to phrase them. Anyway, having successfully posted three stories to k5 fiction and having had four or five shot down, I would be surprised not to see this one post.

The thing is that EVERY story, no matter how good, is going to be disliked by some people. On k5, those people are often vocal. What you get here is total honest criticism from people who don't know you and aren't your friend and so have no investment in making you happy. This kind of criticism can be hard to take, but with the bad comes the good.

My suggestion: try again, but don't pull your story no matter how bad the comments get (some of the comments on my most recent piece of fiction make me look pretty strongly like an ass). Stick it out. You might be surprised that those who wish you well often outnumber but are slower to show up than those who wish you ill.
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[ Parent ]

Perhaps (2.00 / 3) (#19)
by mwalker on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 03:33:17 PM EST

I got flushed out of the queue by the spam button last time. We'll see. See on the 30th.

[ Parent ]
Not to mention... (none / 2) (#20)
by gzt on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 03:35:12 PM EST

some of the comments on my most recent piece of fiction make me look pretty strongly like an ass

...your downrating those criticizing your story.

[ Parent ]

lies, or partial truths. (2.20 / 5) (#22)
by transient0 on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 03:51:04 PM EST

As I said before, I one-rated those who were insulting and smug with there criticisms and three-rated those who were helpful or even indifferent (the majority). I zeroed no-one.
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[ Parent ]
A 1 is downrating. (none / 2) (#25)
by gzt on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 04:12:46 PM EST

It's generally considered rude to downrate replies to your stories. Some people have the idea that any rating is somehow inappropriate, but I don't see why one can't +5 a reply to one's story. HTH.

[ Parent ]
i generally agree (2.00 / 3) (#33)
by transient0 on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 05:06:57 PM EST

my general policy is to three-rate any reply to one of my stories. If I think the reply is useless or banal, I generally just don't rate it.

However, when people respond to a story with outright antagonism or patronizing, I feel inclined to click on Discourage, because I would like to Discourage that on our site.

I didn't know there was actually a rating-on-your-own-story etiquette. I'll look into it and perhaps correct my impolite heathen ways, leaving the masses to identify the trolls and flames on stories of mine.
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[ Parent ]

for future reference (2.25 / 3) (#59)
by gzt on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 08:25:59 PM EST

[and correction of the past] My stance is that if you submit a story, you should be willing to take whatever comes your way. If your story is amateurish enough to provoke patronisation, then you brought it upon yourself. We didn't solicit your story. This isn't your diary. Take it like a professional.

PS I think the best way to fix your story would have been to pull an Omon Ra-esque ending, where it turns out they never went to Russia at all but stayed in Canada.

PPS I suggest you read Pelevin, he's great and I think you'd dig [if you can ignore the pseudo-Buddhist wankery].

[ Parent ]

Taking it like a profesional (2.00 / 4) (#88)
by error 404 on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 11:17:16 AM EST

The general theory behind taking it like a professional is that you will be dealing with other professionals or with clients. The other professionals are expected to be, well, professional. The clients may be jerks, but money and a feeling of superiority (my definition of a professional as opposed to a craftsman is that the professional tells the client what the client needs, while the craftsman just does what the client requests.) soothe the nerves.

Here, that does not hold. The responses are not from clients - there is no money or position to soothe the nerves. And when the responses are not professional in tone, a calm "discourage" is probably the cleanest way to handle it. I'm not talking about responses that I disagree with, I'm talking about responses that are offensive. I would not rate down for a difference of opinion.


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Electrical banana is bound to be the very next phase
- Donovan

[ Parent ]

I heartily disagree. (none / 2) (#101)
by gzt on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 04:29:06 PM EST

Yes, the stories submitted here [especially by the author in question] are not professional-level work, and there is most definitely no money involved. But professionalism is not dictated by the presence of money or the need to soothe the nerves of clients, it also necessary whenever one presents oneself to the community as a whole, ie, as the author of a story on a site which is defined by the stories it posts.

Bah, what has happened to this site? It should be common knowledge that one should not downrate one's critics, no matter how rude. I'm still shocked to see how often people seriously believe they are right to downrate replies to one's comments, much less stories. What ever happened to the censors protecting the mores of our fair site? O for the days of Adequacy with its ever-vigilant editors!

[ Parent ]

Agreed (2.25 / 4) (#111)
by cachilders on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 10:42:18 PM EST

I think it should go without saying that the down-rating of a critic's comments is the height of bad form. The same is true of up-rating praise. I don't, however, think it's wrong to up-rate a grammatical correction or critique. It merely states that the author acknowledges the error.

Furthermore, when one defends a thing, be it through ratings or comments, one proves that the thing is worthy of assail. That said, I have come to the conclusion that all comments by the author are taken negatively (in general). Replies that genuinely acknowledge the points of critics are taken as sarcasm. Attempts at levity are taken as smugness. The answering of specific questions seems a fairly safe point, but one opens oneself to a whole range of new flames in doing so.

I think a safe guideline for anyone submitting fiction to the k5 queue is to shut up and take it. Swallow your pride and simply accept the criticism, right or wrong. It's not an author's place to defend his work, leave that battle to those with perspective.

[ Parent ]

Partial agreement (2.25 / 3) (#129)
by error 404 on Mon Nov 10, 2003 at 02:02:14 PM EST

If the criticism is articulate and professional, I think the author should rate it up, whether it is complimentary or not.

If it is in the form "what a load of crap" or "you suck" or even "this rocks, unlike all the other crap", well, a response would dignify it. A rating down, on the other hand, seems entirely appropriate. Not for the criticism, for the mindless obnoxiousness. If there is actual criticism in the message as well ("this is absolute crap, because the main character..." or "you suck for yammering on and on about the main character's shoes") that's another story altogether. If the criticism reflects any thought, or if it is of use either to me or to someone who's thinking about what I wrote, that's a plus. Even if the gist of it is that my stuff is not good.

A comment that amounts to a pure vote for or against something I wrote, I won't rate.
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Electrical banana is bound to be the very next phase
- Donovan

[ Parent ]

and PS (none / 2) (#62)
by gzt on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 08:43:27 PM EST

I don't like being accused of lying or telling partial truths.

[ Parent ]
clearly partial truths (2.00 / 3) (#63)
by transient0 on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 08:48:13 PM EST

what you like is not my problem.
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[ Parent ]
I suggest you retract your statement. (none / 2) (#69)
by gzt on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 09:41:07 PM EST



[ Parent ]
Hmm (none / 2) (#39)
by KilljoyAZ on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 05:34:18 PM EST

There's only so many people one can berate in a day and with luck my story will get voted down with a minimum of fuss.

Sounds like a challenge.

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[ Parent ]

Abuse (2.00 / 3) (#99)
by cachilders on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 02:58:31 PM EST

is good for writers. It keeps you humble and challenges your self appraisals. Similes, on the other hand...

[ Parent ]
great idea... -nt- (1.11 / 9) (#24)
by Suppafly on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 04:02:48 PM EST


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You should give your contest a theme. (2.22 / 9) (#26)
by mwalker on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 04:19:28 PM EST

If your aim is, as I suspect, to break the annoyance barrier of those who vote F-1ction, may I propose instead that on November 30th, everyone submit bad, half baked Matrix rewrites? I think that a critical mass of Matrix fanfiction might cause many of your opponents to suffer strokes/aneurysms or just to simply go completely insane.

Even if it didn't work it would be fun to watch.

Please no (2.20 / 5) (#32)
by sllort on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 04:58:52 PM EST

Please, God no.
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Warning: On Lawn is a documented liar.
[ Parent ]
Good idea (1.75 / 4) (#40)
by spamfish on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 05:51:23 PM EST

I hope this fosters more creative works coming to Kuro5hin. Not all of the fiction is as bad as people make it out to be.

Cows taste alright.

haha (1.75 / 4) (#71)
by pb on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 10:32:30 PM EST

You said "fosters".

I'd write fiction, but my writing skills are somewhat rusty.
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[ Parent ]

Prize Donation (2.18 / 11) (#41)
by localroger on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 06:09:36 PM EST

This is a cool idea, and I'll donate a prize I think might be singularly appropriate.: If this posts and transient0 agrees I will send the winner an autographed print copy of The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect.

What will people of the future think of us? Will they say, as Roger Williams said of some of the Massachusetts Indians, that we were wolves with the min
Corrected link (1.25 / 4) (#42)
by localroger on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 06:12:03 PM EST

It's just the Dead Tree Project, now updated to actually offer a copy.

(localroger has this not getting the link right thing down)

What will people of the future think of us? Will they say, as Roger Williams said of some of the Massachusetts Indians, that we were wolves with the min
[ Parent ]

Much obliged... (2.00 / 3) (#44)
by transient0 on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 06:14:03 PM EST

I hereby declare this to be first prize, with whatever I come up with as second prize (or possibly third if I can drum up another cool prize donation).

Aw man. Now I hope I win.

cheers.
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[ Parent ]

Dude (2.42 / 7) (#45)
by sllort on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 06:15:54 PM EST

That was a good book and all but personally I'm thinking you should give away your account to the winner, so the rest of his stories have a better shot of getting published.
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Warning: On Lawn is a documented liar.
[ Parent ]
You're so vain. (2.00 / 5) (#58)
by debacle on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 08:16:00 PM EST

You probably think this site is about you.

It tastes sweet.
[ Parent ]
Shhh Carly, you're gonna give BOTH of us away (nt) (1.80 / 5) (#66)
by localroger on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 09:24:24 PM EST



What will people of the future think of us? Will they say, as Roger Williams said of some of the Massachusetts Indians, that we were wolves with the min
[ Parent ]
Duh (1.44 / 9) (#46)
by MattOly on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 06:18:13 PM EST

Aren't there already, like, 4,003,409,390 other sites on the intarweb for fiction? No site can be a do-all, and that's a good thing.

My recommedation is that you download and install Scoop, run your own damn little fiction site, and add is as an RSS feed to K5. That way, those who give a damn about Vampire Furries being homoerotic with the X-Men have the option of having that crap on K5, and the rest of us don't have to.

K?

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A final note to...the Republican party. You do not want to get into a fight with David Letterman. ...He's simply more believable than you are.

You're retahded (1.80 / 5) (#56)
by debacle on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 08:12:31 PM EST

And so is the arguement:

"No site can be a do-all, and that's a good thing. "

Why can't any one site be a single node of everything that anyone wants to discuss on the internet?

Fucking retarded arguement, I say. Made up by internet Xenophobes of the same general class that say "The South can't survive without slaves." and "Putting limits on greenhouse gases will destroy thousands of jobs."

Effort, fucker.

It tastes sweet.
[ Parent ]

Easy (none / 2) (#77)
by godix on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 11:36:41 PM EST

Why can't any one site be a single node of everything that anyone wants to discuss on the internet?

Because I have no ability to say 'This subject doesn't interest me, I never want to see an article about it again'. Of course I can choose to not read the story, but I still have to go through and manually go 'Oh look, 15 fiction stories in one day and one real article hidden amoung them. What a great thing the great fiction spam is!' Provide me a way to never see a fiction story again, even in the queue, and you might have a chance to be everything.

On the other hand, I doubt you'll ever manage to get large numbers of childhood abuse victims and pedophiliacs (to pick an example at random) to live on the same site peacefully so maybe one site can't be everything.

...when the Christians are praying for you, they're usually about a day short of commencing bombing.
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The "fiction switch" you are requesting (none / 2) (#97)
by sllort on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 02:12:29 PM EST

is, without a doubt, necessary.
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Warning: On Lawn is a documented liar.
[ Parent ]
right. (none / 2) (#94)
by MattOly on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 01:57:20 PM EST

Look, my argument isn't that you can't have one place where you can find anything and everything. You CAN have that, it's called Google, perhaps you've heard of it.

My argument is that K5 isn't Google, or anything like it, nor should it be. You can discuss any fiction you want in the diaries, that's kinda what they're there for.

My argument was that the author should start up his own site for things like that, and maybe you should, too, if you want something more all encompassing. K5 is what it is, "technology and culture, bleh bleh bleh". There's no fiction there, don't try to change scope.

Also, while I do like fiction (my own has been published in a major men's magazine), that is now what I come to K5 for. Please, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Just because an argument goes against what you believe doesn't make it "retahded", sorry.

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[ Parent ]

But k5 has a fiction section (none / 2) (#96)
by sllort on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 02:10:53 PM EST

You should use Google to find a different site that's right for you.
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Warning: On Lawn is a documented liar.
[ Parent ]
Ah. (none / 2) (#105)
by MattOly on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 05:29:36 PM EST

So it does, you got me. I bow.

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A final note to...the Republican party. You do not want to get into a fight with David Letterman. ...He's simply more believable than you are.
[ Parent ]

See sllorts comment (none / 2) (#103)
by debacle on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 05:13:56 PM EST

Also, your logic is flawed.

Probably because you're an idiot.

Diaries are there to be diaries. They're not there to be Fiction.

R E T A H D E D !

It tastes sweet.
[ Parent ]

Diaries. (none / 2) (#106)
by MattOly on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 05:33:12 PM EST

Says you. How many people use the diaries for other stuff? Many, many, many.

sllort is right, there is a fiction section, I'd forgotten they'd allowed that afterall. But is K5 really the best place for a fiction contest? Probably not. There are many other websites that feature fiction contests. Why does K5 have to be one of them? I see no good reason for it. What's flawed with that logic, Mr. Idealist College Student?

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A final note to...the Republican party. You do not want to get into a fight with David Letterman. ...He's simply more believable than you are.
[ Parent ]

Nothing wrong with being a student (none / 2) (#114)
by debacle on Sat Nov 08, 2003 at 01:12:34 AM EST

Ya retahd.

It tastes sweet.
[ Parent ]
Let me guess (2.00 / 3) (#124)
by godix on Sun Nov 09, 2003 at 01:59:34 PM EST

my own has been published in a major men's magazine

You got a letter published in Penthouse?

...when the Christians are praying for you, they're usually about a day short of commencing bombing.
- Parent ]
F-1ction (1.08 / 12) (#49)
by NaCh0 on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 06:39:53 PM EST

Let me warm up my -1 clicker.

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K5: Your daily dose of socialism.
mine is operating at optimal temperature (1.16 / 6) (#50)
by noogie on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 06:51:54 PM EST

all the time.


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[ Parent ]
the winner should be decided (2.27 / 11) (#51)
by VoxLobster on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 06:59:08 PM EST

by the story that that lasts the longest in the queue before it's dumped.

VoxLobster
I was raised by a cup of coffee! -- Homsar

I'll offer up something. (2.57 / 7) (#53)
by debacle on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 07:33:49 PM EST

To the story that gets the most -1 votes and still makes section/fp.

It tastes sweet.
Great! (2.25 / 3) (#83)
by GhostfacedFiddlah on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 09:16:16 AM EST

I like it - the stories that get the most -1 (and consequently the most +1's, if they make section/fp) tend to be the most "controvesial".  And like anything other work of art that half the world hates, it will probably be better-loved by those who do like it.

I've found that a lot of my favourite articles here on K5 are the ones that took the longest/most votes to get to where they were posted.

[ Parent ]

erotica accepted ? (2.00 / 4) (#55)
by due 2 dew on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 08:06:18 PM EST

Can people submit erotic fantasies?

Accepted! It's encouraged! (none / 2) (#57)
by debacle on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 08:13:41 PM EST

N-fucking-T

It tastes sweet.
[ Parent ]
Go for it (2.25 / 3) (#74)
by godix on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 11:29:12 PM EST

Considering the results you'll get when all of a sudden the queue is spammed by a bunch of people who aren't good writers, and who in all probability will never come close, I imagine an erotic story will be the only thing worth voting up. That way if the failure to turn K5 into 'pretentious writing from the coffehouse' fails at least we'll manage to turn it into 'porno from the twisted'. Apperently K5 isn't good enough to keep as a site for technology and culture from the trenches so I guess becoming a free porno site is an improvement. Now all we need to do it talk Rusty into allowing pictures in article submissions.

BTW: I am serious, you write the porno and I'll +1FP. I'd get a great laugh if 'See Dick Enter Jane' wins the top prize.

...when the Christians are praying for you, they're usually about a day short of commencing bombing.
- Parent ]

Why not? (none / 2) (#85)
by l3nz on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 09:44:37 AM EST

I think it would be a nice step forward from the SciFi that usually gets in the queue. :-) Mabe we can have SciFi erotica? :-)

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[ Parent ]

Stop it immediately. (1.75 / 2) (#95)
by tkatchev on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 01:57:48 PM EST

Stop trolling.

"Vampire Stak-Trek homoerotic furries" were already done to death.


   -- Signed, Lev Andropoff, cosmonaut.
[ Parent ]

heh (none / 2) (#104)
by Battle Troll on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 05:19:20 PM EST

I, for one, would rather die that read k5 spank material.
--
Skarphedinn was carrying the axe with which he had killed Thrainn Sigfusson and which he called 'Battle Troll.'
Njal's Saga, ca 1280 AD
[ Parent ]
Submission time and the Queues... (2.57 / 7) (#64)
by bodrius on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 08:58:43 PM EST

I think this is a great idea. I may finally submit something, although I haven't actually sat down to write fiction in a while.

However, I'm not sure such a short submission time on the deadline is the best option in kuro5hin. Specifically, I'm worried about the effect on the queues.

We are not talking about a normal contest, where people put their work in large brown envelopes which will wait patiently for the judges to go through over the next couple of weeks.

This is a website with a relatively instantaneous submission process (to the edit/vote queues at least).

I have had the chance to see the process of a very small fiction contest of the traditional kind, and the piles upon piles of envelopes created by an even nominal participation are no joking matter. It is not rare, even if there are few participants, to have multiple works by the same author.

Here the works would not sit quietly on the desk, they will not arrive smoothly over a period of a few days. They could rather swamp the edit queue, all arriving on the same day and staying on the queue more or less the same period of time. Blocking a system which is used by this community for more than storing works of fiction to be judged.

I don't know if there is no limit to the amount of stories the queue can hold for public inspection, but even if there is not, there is a limit to the amount of attention the public will give to a large list of items to be inspected. It can become either a technical or psychological DoS attack on the queue system.

Deadlines are normally used in literary contests to draw a very firm line over which works are accepted before a procrastrinating author insists his 300 page masterpiece is almost ready 3 days before the winners are to be announced.

Here, however, you're asking people to submit only over 24 hours. The deadline is also a trigger for a flood of submissions to the queue which will become a problem for the kuro5hin site in direct proportion to the success of the contest.

I suggest extending the "submission time" over 3 or 4 days. There's no need to even extend the deadline, just announce that all fiction submitted in the last 4 days before the deadline will be considered part of the contest.

That way, even if this is surprisingly successful, the impact on the queues is spread over 4 days and, even if there will always be more late submissions than early submissions, we could expect a lesser percentage of the queues monopolized by fiction.
Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4, everything else follows...

Agreed (2.00 / 3) (#65)
by transient0 on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 09:14:59 PM EST

The more I think about it, the more I agree with it. I will put something to this effect in a comment along with the finalization of the prizes etc, once the details are all cleared up.
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lysergically yours
[ Parent ]
You're right, but... (2.20 / 5) (#73)
by Michael Moore on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 10:37:35 PM EST

The "winner" prize is the first story to make it to FP, and as such anyone trying for the "winner" will be submitting their story as early as possible. Not that I ever thought a "first past the post system" of determining the winning story was very good, but considering that's what it currently is it will almost certainly mean that the bulk of submissions will be arriving earlier rather than later--even if you extend the submission window.

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"My life was more improved by a single use of [ecstasy] than someone's life is made worse by becoming a heroin addict." -- aphrael
[ Parent ]
yes. (2.00 / 3) (#75)
by transient0 on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 11:30:16 PM EST

That is part of why i didn't want to change the submission period originally. But on further thought, I think that those who suggested a longer post period are right which means that the ranking system will have to be adjusted slightly. Assuming this posts, I will add a top-level comment specifying the modified details and prizes at that time.
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[ Parent ]
NaNoWriMo? (1.75 / 4) (#67)
by LilDebbie on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 09:26:38 PM EST

They consider over 5000 words a novel? Shit, I've read short stories that are 15,000 words.

My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
- hugin -

not quite (none / 2) (#68)
by transient0 on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 09:27:42 PM EST

They consider 50,000 words a novel. I was just saying that theu may not want to post their 50k novel here when this is a medium best suited to about 5k and less.
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lysergically yours
[ Parent ]
Perhaps you should say that (none / 2) (#72)
by LilDebbie on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 10:33:23 PM EST

instead of saying that it is not suitable for works greater than 5000 words. Nitpicky, yesh.

My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
- hugin -

[ Parent ]
Arright baby, (2.00 / 4) (#70)
by Akshay on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 10:28:05 PM EST

I'm game. Figured a long time back that one of the reasons why I've never been able to successfully write a K5 story is my complete lack of deadlines for such a project. This just might do the trick and get me out of the comments ghetto.

+1 for free market innovation, I suppose.

Great idea (2.00 / 4) (#79)
by l3nz on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 03:55:16 AM EST

I'm looking forward to what people will post. I hope it will succeed (maybe we should advertise it somehow? Should we posti it on /. ?) :-)

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i don't think we should advertise (2.00 / 4) (#82)
by transient0 on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 08:13:38 AM EST

The goal of the challenge was to encourage all the k5 regulars who write fiction or are interested in trying but, for whatever reason, have not submitted to k5 before.

I think that putting out a call for submissions on any forum other than the k5 front page is just asking for trouble. This is a community contest for k5ers. There are lots of other fiction contests on the web open to all comers.

That said, I hope the turnout is very high.
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lysergically yours
[ Parent ]

You are right (2.25 / 4) (#84)
by l3nz on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 09:40:35 AM EST

You are definitely right when you say the challenge is targeted to K5 regulars, so it would be no point advertising it outside K5.

On the other side, maybe more generally speaking, it would be nice to have an "event box" on K5 so that the challenge stays visible for everyone, not just people who came here today. Maybe it could go on the top of the first page, where Rusty puts the "There is new site news" link when necessary.

Everything2 has a special area on the first page for "Everything quests", i.e. open challenges for all willing users to take part in, and I think that's useful.

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[ Parent ]

now that you mention it. (2.00 / 3) (#86)
by transient0 on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 09:50:13 AM EST

I certainly wouldn't complain (and I'm sure rusty wouldn't either) if someone forked out the ten bones for a k5 fiction challenge text ad.
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[ Parent ]
I'll be brave (2.00 / 4) (#80)
by nebbish on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 05:07:49 AM EST

and submit something. Part of the problem with fiction on K5 is the audience - people don't want to read it and knock it for that reason. Also Kurobots aren't very forgiving, and fiction is damn hard to write at first.

So as yet I haven't submitted anything here despite having written stuff. But I'm in.

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how forgiving ought we to be? (2.25 / 3) (#100)
by mlc on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 03:38:55 PM EST

aren't very forgiving, and fiction is damn hard to write

If a story submitted is crap, I feel no obligation to  act as though it isn't, regardless of how hard the author toiled. When good articles (including fiction) get submitted, then I'm pleased to see them and vote and comment accordingly. If your ego is fragile, then don't post crap to a forum where people are likely to point that out to you.

If, on the other hand, you have good writing, then please send it in, even when there isn't a contest.

--
So the Berne Convention is the ultimate arbiter of truth and morality. Is this like Catholicism? -- Eight Star
[ Parent ]

I don't mind constructive criticism (none / 2) (#128)
by Cro Magnon on Mon Nov 10, 2003 at 11:50:03 AM EST

If I submit anything, seeing dozens of comment saying "it sux" is pointless. If it's worth commenting on, I'd rather hear WHY it sux.
Information wants to be beer.
[ Parent ]
DETAILS UPDATE (2.62 / 8) (#81)
by transient0 on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 07:57:28 AM EST

I am very happy to see that the queue has approved this contest idea. A couple of quick updates:

EXTENDED SUBMISSION WINDOW: Due to considerations of the limitations of the queue, any fiction story submitted after 00:00:01 EST Nov. 23, 2003 and before 23:59:59 EST Nov. 30, 2003 will be considered for the contest.

MODIFIED RANKING SYSTEM: In order to prevent a crowding towards to front of the deadline, the ranking will no longer be determined by speed through the queue. Front Page articles will still automatically rank ahead of Section Page articles which will rank ahead of dumped articles, but within categories, ranking will be in order of highest +1FP/+1SE ratio.

FINALIZED PRIZES:
First Prize - Autographed copy of localroger's novel The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect (Dead Tree Format)
Second Prize - TOP SECRET
Third Prize - Package of random (non-terroristy) stuff from yours truly

Get Writing!
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lysergically yours

Brilliant (1.50 / 4) (#87)
by SlashDread on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 09:56:38 AM EST

Great idea, love to try one.

Im a Reader with a a capital R. More fiction! Perhaps even Genre's! Maybe well even sprout the next G. Bear or N. Stephenson!

"/Dread"

what about dupe accounts? (1.83 / 6) (#89)
by cbraga on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 12:00:21 PM EST

Case in point, right now there's a story in the queue being voted up by various people in the cookie business and also various WW2 celebrities. Anyone else thinks cheating might be a problem?

ESC[78;89;13p ESC[110;121;13p
cheating in the queue (2.25 / 3) (#90)
by transient0 on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 12:07:17 PM EST

is an ongoing concern around here. Certainly there will be some dupe voting, but hopefully not so much as to significantly affect the outcome.

Such is a drawback of the medium. Poor identity verification. But it does have a lot of other things going for it, so we take the bad with the good.
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[ Parent ]

K5 TQM (2.62 / 8) (#91)
by killmepleez on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 12:35:18 PM EST

To those of you who have a secret authorial dream, but fear your prose to be inadequate: Maybe you're right but how will you ever know, how will you ever improve, without feedback?
How to Know If Your Prose Is Inadequate - a step-by-step guide.
  • STEP 1 -- Compose something.
  • STEP 2 -- Submit your prose to the Edit Queue
  • STEP 3 -- Your prose is inadequate.


  • __
    "I instantly realized that everything in my life that I thought was unfixable was totally fixable - except for having just jumped."
    --from "J
    prize donation (2.50 / 6) (#92)
    by johnny on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 01:24:09 PM EST

    signed copies of my two books, if you want 'em.

    yr frn,
    jrs
    Get your free download of prizewinning novels Acts of the Apostles and Che
    Much Obliged (none / 2) (#98)
    by transient0 on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 02:30:10 PM EST

    Will be incorporated into the Prize Scheme.

    Thank you.
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    lysergically yours
    [ Parent ]

    Prize donation (2.00 / 3) (#102)
    by marcos on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 04:59:28 PM EST

    Free copy of my software. It's what I can give....

    Wonderful. (1.42 / 7) (#107)
    by lordDogma on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 06:09:49 PM EST

    I get the feeling that the first prize winner will be a "1984/Brave New World" scenario involving the US turning into a police state. This is obviously an attempt by left-wing K5 America haters to disguise their hatred in a less subtle form than the usual america bashing that goes on here.

    -- LD

    Sure, but... (none / 2) (#113)
    by UptownGuy on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 11:35:13 PM EST

    ...oh, isn't it easy to go after those who aren't cheering on as Rome burns and label them as somehow hating democracy and freedom without giving any specifics (*cough-typical-cough*)... Yeah, I'm too cool for school and like to be smug too...

    That being said, I'm looking forward to seeing what the K5 crowd has to turn out...

    [ Parent ]
    Wow! someone rated me a 3 (none / 2) (#117)
    by lordDogma on Sat Nov 08, 2003 at 02:40:00 AM EST

    No need for flames! Actually I was just trolling here. Just wanted to see who would bite.

    -- LD

    [ Parent ]

    If you are writing something for this... (1.50 / 3) (#108)
    by Suppafly on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 06:23:19 PM EST

    If you are writing something for this, please consider licensing it under a Creative Common's License. If you don't have any object to your work being freely distributed, this is a great way to add to the commons.
    ---
    Playstation Sucks.
    Question: ? re previously published (2.25 / 3) (#109)
    by massivefubar on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 08:32:35 PM EST

    Is previously published fiction eligible or no? I don't seriously suppose I would win with one of my 1980s era SF stories but I think it might be hilarious or even encouraging for some of the better writers to see that they can do better than something already published. Most contests make a point of excluding previously published fiction but I'm not clear if you are doing the same.

    A question for the masses (2.25 / 3) (#112)
    by transient0 on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 10:58:25 PM EST

    let the people decide
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    [ Parent ]
    Additional rules (2.00 / 3) (#110)
    by CAIMLAS on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 09:31:18 PM EST

    Shouldn't there be an additional rule about, say, the nature of the content of the fiction?

    For instance, make sure it's original. No shitH^H^H^H^fan fiction with other people's characters: make your own. Otherwise, it's not your fiction. Not only that, but it's almost promised to suck dead horse wang.
    --

    Socialism and communism better explained by a psychologist than a political theorist.

    Fanfic. (none / 2) (#120)
    by grendelkhan on Sat Nov 08, 2003 at 01:59:12 PM EST

    Nonsense; fanfic can be just as good or as bad as anything else someone sees fit to post here. Of course there's shitty fanfic, but there's also stuff like skin, stuff that explores subtext, goes way, way past what the show ("Buffy the Vampire Slayer") could actually do in terms of violence, killing off half the characters and just plain darkness.

    Okay, it's a favorite of mine. But apply Sturgeon's Law, and find that one percent.

    --grendelkhan
    -- Laws do not persuade just because they threaten --Seneca
    [ Parent ]

    And that's why fanfics suck (none / 2) (#123)
    by TheOnlyCoolTim on Sun Nov 09, 2003 at 12:46:49 AM EST

    In everything else Sturgeon's law allows you to take ten percent.

    Tim
    "We are trapped in the belly of this horrible machine, and the machine is bleeding to death."
    [ Parent ]

    Half of everything is crap. The internet doubly so (none / 2) (#126)
    by grendelkhan on Mon Nov 10, 2003 at 01:02:47 AM EST

    Nonsense. Everybody knows that Sturgeon's Law culls ninety percent of most things, and ninety-nine percent of anything on the internet.

    --grendelkhan
    -- Laws do not persuade just because they threaten --Seneca
    [ Parent ]

    Harr! (2.40 / 5) (#115)
    by Bnonn on Sat Nov 08, 2003 at 01:19:32 AM EST

    This is a great idea. No one reading this comment knows me or gives a shit about what I have to say, but I'll enter this competition.

    I want the book (:

    Fantasy anyone? (2.00 / 4) (#116)
    by LoCo on Sat Nov 08, 2003 at 02:32:53 AM EST

    It says fiction yes, but I've seen a lot of comments on sci-fi stories, so I was just wondering if it's alright for me to write a fantasy one.

    It's ok (none / 2) (#118)
    by inerte on Sat Nov 08, 2003 at 03:32:12 AM EST

    Fantasy is part of the trenches' K5 side.

    --
    Bodily exercise, when compulsory, does no harm to the body; but knowledge which is acquired under compulsion obtains no hold on the mind.
    [ Parent ]

    NO! (none / 2) (#119)
    by tkatchev on Sat Nov 08, 2003 at 06:32:22 AM EST

    Only if it involves Star Trek in some way.

       -- Signed, Lev Andropoff, cosmonaut.
    [ Parent ]

    It's Fiction. (none / 2) (#125)
    by darkonc on Mon Nov 10, 2003 at 12:39:32 AM EST

    .... so I was just wondering if it's alright for me to write a fantasy one.

    Unless it's a fantasy that you've actually managed to live out, then I'd say that it also classifies as fiction.
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    [ Parent ]

    No! (none / 2) (#127)
    by Cro Magnon on Mon Nov 10, 2003 at 11:42:32 AM EST

    Nobody wants to read your fantasies! Oh wait, you meant FICTONAL fantasy. That's ok.
    Information wants to be beer.
    [ Parent ]
    ok, no previously published... (2.25 / 3) (#121)
    by massivefubar on Sat Nov 08, 2003 at 02:36:26 PM EST

    Your point is well-taken that the contest should be to encourage people to write/submit new stuff. The vote seems to be overwhelmingly against having previously published fiction in the contest, which is fine. I appreciate the clarification.

    meh, just zero it (1.00 / 9) (#122)
    by synik on Sat Nov 08, 2003 at 09:18:57 PM EST

    It's pointless crap, and adds nothing to the site.

    ---
    The human race has suffered for centuries and is still suffering from the mental disorder known as religion, and atheism is the only physician that will be able to effect a permanent cure. -- Joseph Lewis
    Meh. Post a nano by November 30? (none / 2) (#130)
    by ibsulon on Mon Nov 10, 2003 at 04:52:24 PM EST

    You've gotta be joking... Rewrites start December 2 on those things. I'm having enough trouble reaching 50k on this one. :) I'm not in on this one, though if I have time to write something outside of the erotica genre sometime in December perhaps I'll think about it then.

    Well (none / 2) (#133)
    by TheOnlyCoolTim on Wed Nov 12, 2003 at 02:23:59 AM EST

    Some people are almost done with the November novels.

    This is because they are unemployed.

    Tim
    "We are trapped in the belly of this horrible machine, and the machine is bleeding to death."
    [ Parent ]

    I'll try! (1.50 / 3) (#131)
    by englabenny on Tue Nov 11, 2003 at 04:00:34 PM EST

    I have the idea for a short story that I might finish, and I'll participate if I do.

    Problem is.. i'm new to k5, and I wonder... what's the queue and how do I submit my work?

    I refer you to the FAQ (none / 2) (#132)
    by cbraga on Tue Nov 11, 2003 at 05:10:44 PM EST

    In the top of your screen, above the grey bar, in small blue text, find the link that says help/FAQ.

    ESC[78;89;13p ESC[110;121;13p
    [ Parent ]
    OK, so... (none / 1) (#134)
    by ana on Tue Dec 02, 2003 at 11:15:58 AM EST

    Nobody got a single fiction article through the queue in the time alotted. Mine ended up this morning with a score of +7, with a total of 453 votes (172 +1, with 72 +1FP; 165 -1; and 116 absentions).

    I'm not complaining, mind you. I thought a few of the comments were worthwhile, some were heartwarming, and the usual assortment of trolls and grumps. So it was fun. I may link to the comments in my diary at some point.

    Years go by; will I still be waiting
    for somebody else to understand?
    --Tori Amos

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