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In Peace

By Whizard in Meta
Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 08:01:57 AM EST
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First off, let's get this out of the way - since I haven't been active here in quite some time, there's no way I can make this post without 95% of k5 thinking I'm a hoaxing asshole trying to have a laugh at someone else's expense. I wish that were true. The best response I can offer to that speculation is the invitation to contact me directly at the e-mail in my user info where I will do my best to answer any verifying questions anyone may wish to ask me.

That said, I've been a real-life friend of trhurler's for over 10 years, since college, though we haven't been in close contact recently - too much life in the way. I received word from a mutual friend last night that trhurler was found dead in his campsite by some other hikers on Monday, mid-way through his 150-mile hike of the Ozark Highland Trail in Arkansas. I've e-mailed with his brother - at the moment it's officially "natural causes". Nothing untoward or self-inflicted is indicated. Arrangements are still being made, I will follow up to this post once I know something more. I figure since there are at least a few people here he would have considered "friends", this post should to be made sooner rather than later.


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In Peace | 337 comments (324 topical, 13 editorial, 24 hidden)
fr1st post! (2.58 / 12) (#1)
by LilDebbie on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 11:57:35 PM EST

well buddy you went out in your element, alone in the woods without explanation.

My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
- hugin -

he gave explanation (3.00 / 2) (#4)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:16:30 AM EST

see comment #3.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
IT'S A METAPHOR YOU INSENSITIVE PRICK $ (3.00 / 3) (#5)
by LilDebbie on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:18:32 AM EST



My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
- hugin -

[ Parent ]
thx for informing, poet (3.00 / 2) (#8)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:22:30 AM EST

I was just pointing that out. Don't get your jerkin in a wad.

And you know, I have to go on that hike I was telling him about now...The fucker.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]

fuck, you're right (3.00 / 3) (#10)
by LilDebbie on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:24:17 AM EST

G-d damnit, that clever bastard!

My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
- hugin -

[ Parent ]
I'm going to get drunk now (3.00 / 4) (#15)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:31:05 AM EST

Also, fuck you.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
WHY HELLO THERE $11/1.75 L VODKA (3.00 / 11) (#21)
by Stick Apart on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:51:55 AM EST

LOOKING LOVELY IN THAT MOUNTAIN DEW BOTTLE
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I HATE YOU AND YOUR (3.00 / 2) (#37)
by spooked on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 02:54:39 AM EST

GLORIOUSLY CHEAP LIQUEUR.

Seriously.
[ Parent ]
THIS, SIR, IS WHAT REAL FREEDOM TASTES LIKE (3.00 / 3) (#48)
by Stick Apart on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 07:37:55 AM EST

well
sort of.
not really, actually.
still, hooray, America!
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of course it could just be the freedom (none / 1) (#95)
by Stick Apart on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 10:52:08 AM EST

to destroy one's life in the way they know to be best
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Cheers $ (3.00 / 2) (#22)
by LilDebbie on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:53:50 AM EST



My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
- hugin -

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autoerotic asphyxiation + woods (2.66 / 15) (#2)
by Jobst of Moravia on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:14:29 AM EST

= straight lollin'

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oh lawd (2.85 / 14) (#18)
by Jobst of Moravia on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:44:43 AM EST

clicky

if there's an afterlife i bet hes posturing and blaming someone else right now

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OT (none / 1) (#190)
by localman on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 08:50:17 PM EST

Just wondering -- anyone else find lemonparty (in your sig) to be not even slightly gross or offensive?  I mean, good for those guys.  I'm straight but I hope I'm pulling a threesome when I'm 90.

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no fucking way (2.85 / 20) (#3)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:14:45 AM EST

don't be telling me this shit, man. He talked about the trip in his last diary and he sounded fine...I'm actually crushed by this news, and hoping that this is just a really bad troll. Soemone say it aint so.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
corroboration (2.76 / 13) (#6)
by Linux or FreeBSD on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:19:26 AM EST

here and here. apparently they really did know each other, and i don't think someone has been planning a hoax since pre-2003.

more (2.50 / 6) (#9)
by Linux or FreeBSD on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:23:53 AM EST

he was indeed on the ozark highlands trail. hmm; hmm.

[ Parent ]
In honour of trh I'd like to say, "Um," (2.86 / 23) (#14)
by B0sk on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:30:57 AM EST

in the comment header.

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wow (2.80 / 15) (#16)
by osm on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:36:02 AM EST

what is this, like the 20th k5 person who's died? What's the pattern? Did they all contribute to the CMF?

Kuro5hin really is dying.

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Who else has lately? [nt] (2.00 / 3) (#17)
by eavier on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:42:45 AM EST



Whatever you do, don't take it into your house. It's probably full of Greeks. - Vampire Zombie Abu Musab al Zarqawi

Ufology Doktor in da house

[ Parent ]
k5 mass suicide time? i'm in! {[nt (3.00 / 5) (#20)
by Stick Apart on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:48:38 AM EST


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Rusty (2.00 / 3) (#24)
by eavier on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:57:18 AM EST

switching off the k5 server/'wisdom bank of glory' for good would do that as well.

Less cleanup also.

Whatever you do, don't take it into your house. It's probably full of Greeks. - Vampire Zombie Abu Musab al Zarqawi

Ufology Doktor in da house

[ Parent ]

can I make the coolaid? (3.00 / 2) (#51)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 08:42:55 AM EST

Largely opiates-based, not to fear.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
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waiiiiit you have opiates? (3.00 / 2) (#97)
by Stick Apart on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 10:53:12 AM EST

we might have to postpone until we run out of those
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Although if you're making our exit mundi, might as (none / 1) (#102)
by Stick Apart on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 11:05:04 AM EST

well pour a liberal (red flag molecular interactions) dose of some high potency 5ht-2a agonists in there too...

As for the opiates, how about some higher potency fentanyl analogues?
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okay, you make it then (none / 1) (#198)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 10:06:31 PM EST

But if I wake up in a fluorescent hospital hell I'm coming for yuo, SA.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
won't work for everybody (2.00 / 3) (#121)
by Linux or FreeBSD on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:41:50 PM EST



[ Parent ]
I can only think of two others (2.00 / 3) (#45)
by Delirium on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 05:25:25 AM EST

enterfornone committed suicide in 2005, and mindpixel did the same in 2006

Any I'm missing?

[ Parent ]

alarmist :( (3.00 / 2) (#52)
by ambrosen on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 08:50:16 AM EST

Very sadly. He committed suicide a few years back.

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Are you sure? (none / 1) (#55)
by Wise Cracker on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:07:13 AM EST

He went over to Husi for a while. Then his employer found his posts and he had to quit that. blixco said sometime later he was fine. I can't find his posts on Husi now, but I never heard anything about his suicide.
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[ Parent ]
hussy == suicide (2.71 / 7) (#56)
by osm on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:09:35 AM EST

i mean really.

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Yes (2.40 / 5) (#58)
by R Mutt on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:16:58 AM EST

It was mostly in the Hole (members-only, non-archived section) on HuSi, but it was pretty definite that he died. I don't think it was officially described as a suicide, but it was implied.
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There's got to be at least a few things that can (none / 0) (#93)
by Stick Apart on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 10:48:56 AM EST

be "...officially described as a suicide, but it was implied."
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Right (1.50 / 2) (#101)
by Bob Abooey on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 11:04:11 AM EST

Someone from the site knew him in person as I recall. He came back with a different username after he lost his job (he was posting stuff about his place of employment under the Alarmist name and was canned as a result) and only posted to the hole.


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shit (2.80 / 5) (#23)
by circletimessquare on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:56:29 AM EST

really?

i raise one to you buddy

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

Life imitates K5 (3.00 / 6) (#25)
by givemegmail111 on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 01:02:53 AM EST

What could be sadder?

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lol kill yourself $ (3.00 / 3) (#26)
by LilDebbie on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 01:04:54 AM EST



My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
- hugin -

[ Parent ]
lol lady's first (3.00 / 8) (#28)
by givemegmail111 on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 01:12:49 AM EST

Slam!

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Start your day tastefully with a Sausage, Egg & Cheese McGriddle, only at McDonalds.
Rusty fix my sig, dammit!
[ Parent ]
hey rusty (2.45 / 11) (#29)
by circletimessquare on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 01:13:54 AM EST

do a "SELECT COMMENTS,DIARIES,STORIES WHERE UID='trhurler'" and zip it up and email it to the whizard guy, so he can send it to the guy's family on a cd or something

i mean, previous generations kept keepsakes and mementos in terms of pictures, letters

all we got is these braindroppings

this bullshit on k5 really is part of our legacies

it's kind of retarded, but in the end, you're dead. better to leave something, even as retarded as this k5 crap, than nothing


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

oh, gee, brilliant idea cts (2.76 / 13) (#41)
by balsamic vinigga on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 04:37:04 AM EST

why don't his family create a nice little shrine for him at the funureal... consisting of a printout of his k5 contributions, a stack of his pornos and pocket pussy, and any other embarrassing little secret they find among his crap in his apartment...

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link (3.00 / 4) (#43)
by Delirium on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 05:10:11 AM EST

Here are some parents who did something vaguely like that for their son's funeral monument.

[ Parent ]
Ya know ... (3.00 / 3) (#133)
by beergut on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 01:18:21 PM EST

He probably would actually endorse such an action.

He had, if nothing else, as twisted a sense of humor and irony as I. And I would endorse this, as well.

I was actually looking forward to telling him about my misadventures moving to Silly Valley (where I am currently living in a $400 van, eating PBJ, with now $11 to my name, but I am employed.) I can just hear it now: "You dumbass."

i don't see any nanorobots or jet engines or laser holography or orbiting death sate
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Parent ]

Hm. (none / 0) (#272)
by MarkAdelsberger on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 02:30:51 PM EST

He probably would.  Sadly, there must be a balance between what he would've endorsed, and what those left behind can understand.

If I'm able to compile a decent history of John's writing here (and the reaction it drew), I might.  It will go through some filtering before the parents ever see it, though.

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Email archives (none / 0) (#276)
by milesdavis on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 03:28:08 PM EST

I was browsing trough my own email / usenet archives, and some of our discussions are pretty damned amusing. I have to say he changed my mind on things more than once.

[ Parent ]
His brother should have a look first (3.00 / 4) (#60)
by nebbish on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:20:02 AM EST

You know, just in case. I agree though, there's a lot of a person's personality in a long history of posting.

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[ Parent ]

Why? (none / 0) (#305)
by Ta bu shi da yu on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 08:42:35 AM EST

According to your philosophy: you're dead, it doesn't matter.

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simply because life is fleeting (1.50 / 2) (#306)
by circletimessquare on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 09:02:02 AM EST

doesn't mean it doesn't matter

i would say for deer or fish, it doesn't matter. but for humans, we have another life, not as genes, but as memes. our bodies die, but our ideas live on


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Kuro5hin ideas? (none / 0) (#319)
by Ta bu shi da yu on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 02:38:04 AM EST

I would have agreed, had it not been for the level of trolling that occurs on Kuro5hin. Do you really want Tex Bigballs ot Stick's ideas to live on after they are 6 feet under?

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[ Parent ]
We have pissed in our beds (none / 0) (#320)
by circletimessquare on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 10:58:00 AM EST

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2007/10/4/1918/13203

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
What's wrong with my ideas (3.00 / 3) (#322)
by Stjck on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 09:23:12 PM EST

I think they're very good :-(

[ Parent ]
This is why... (2.50 / 12) (#30)
by NoMoreNicksLeft on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 01:16:16 AM EST

One should never, ever exercise. You're just asking for it.

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seriously (3.00 / 8) (#36)
by osm on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 02:42:51 AM EST

wolfman jack. he smoked, boozed and drugged until he was like forty or something then quit and started exercising and died shortly thereafter.

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Douglas Adams agrees (3.00 / 5) (#64)
by Verteiron on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:29:53 AM EST

Died in a gym.
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sad news (2.88 / 27) (#31)
by Delirium on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 01:24:43 AM EST

I'm sure everyone in the kuro5hin community will miss him—even if you didn't enjoy his posts, there's no denying his contributions to kuronian culture. Truly a k5 icon.

called it (3.00 / 8) (#33)
by GrubbyBeardedHermit on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 02:10:13 AM EST

prufe

GBH

Guess he should have gone to the mall after all (3.00 / 3) (#225)
by BJH on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 09:12:02 AM EST


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I'm schizophrenic, and so am I.
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[ Parent ]
perfect crime (2.91 / 12) (#34)
by dongs on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 02:34:44 AM EST

wish i could take the credit for this one

Damn, he's the first kuro5hit to die who I actuall (2.70 / 10) (#35)
by MotorMachineMercenary on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 02:37:25 AM EST

y liked. Rest in peace.

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He'll be missed (2.76 / 13) (#38)
by tetsuwan on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 03:47:35 AM EST

I've had many arguments with him, some of them my most engaging on K5. We hardly agreed on anything, but he always was a good sport.

Njal's Saga: Just like Romeo & Juliet without the romance

Off into the good night with you Trhurler. (2.83 / 18) (#39)
by Psycho Dave on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 03:56:26 AM EST

I had trhurler filed under my "cunts" list of users on K5, but then we're all cunts for posting here, so I will miss him as well.

Too bad there is no such thing as K5 in Heaven, because if there were, then it wouldn't be Heaven.

Don't worry, I'm pretty sure they've got k5... (none / 0) (#224)
by BJH on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 09:11:07 AM EST

...where he's going.
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[ Parent ]
Fuck. (2.57 / 7) (#40)
by daveybaby on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 04:28:36 AM EST

Not good.

Questions, so many questions (2.62 / 8) (#44)
by Vampire Zombie Abu Musab al Zarqawi on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 05:22:51 AM EST

The link above isn't working for me (DNS problems, apparently), but if this is the same stuff, I have to ask: Is it true that he was only 5 foot 4 inches tall? If that's correct, I instantly like him a lot better (R.I.P.); it's only cute when someone that small is that arrogant, angry and spiteful. I also think he would take offence at the state's last dig at him:
Investigators said the man did have a backpack with him and it was filled with new items and a map, which they believe means he was probably not an experienced hiker.
It's sad when you can't get the last word, eh, trhurler?

I'm sad to have to add (none / 0) (#46)
by Vampire Zombie Abu Musab al Zarqawi on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 05:30:07 AM EST

(but this is too funny a coincidence): Is he one of the Ozark Mountain Midgets?

[ Parent ]
that's a pretty fucked up sentence (none / 0) (#72)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:50:00 AM EST

insofar as a map and some 'new' granola bars would qualify you as an inexperienced hiker on the grounds of what it's saying. And no, this simply doesn't fit the description of the trhurler I know on K5. If nothing else, he was an experienced hiker, so I have to wonder...

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
Sounds plausable to me (none / 0) (#207)
by Zombie Gautama Buddha on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 01:49:16 AM EST

I don't think they mean a map and granola bars. What they seemed to imply was that all the proper/normal equipment was new. All new equipment indicates that the person did know about hiking, but probably hadn't been on a long hike in a while, which can be close enough to "inexperienced" depending on just how experienced the person was to begin with.

[ Parent ]
Interesting theory (3.00 / 4) (#268)
by MarkAdelsberger on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 02:11:25 PM EST

John had been a hiker for many years.  Yes, he had taken some time away from it, but had started hiking again two years ago and had been training, day-hiking, and backpacking quite frequently in the year leading up to this trip.

By no reasonable definition was he inexperienced, although he may have been expecting this particular trail to be in better shape than it was.

The reason his gear was mostly new is that he was always buying newer, lighter, better equipment.  If he could save 0.5oz by replacing a few tent stakes, he would.

Jump-to-conclusion reporting is just another way the media disguises their slide from news into entertainment under euphamisms like "getting more of the story".

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[ Parent ]

Shorter... (none / 0) (#76)
by Whizard on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:58:34 AM EST

At a guess, I'd have put him closer to 5'6" or 5'7", but I'm 6'3", and he definitely fell into the category of "people significantly shorter than me".


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Heh. (2.72 / 11) (#47)
by Soviet Russian on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 06:01:09 AM EST

His favorite subject line, after "Um" of-course.
RIP, old man. You'll be missed.


trhurler (2.50 / 6) (#49)
by ccdotnet on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 07:46:30 AM EST

What's in a name. This name evokes a lot of negative adjectives. That's either what he chose to show us, or what he chose to pretend.

There's now an article online that uses a real name, if you're inclined to look. If that hiker really is trhurler - RIP mate.

If one of his family stops by: know he was an enormous contributor to this online community, maybe even one of its pillars. Equally loved and loathed. The way we like them.

I think it is him (2.40 / 5) (#50)
by R Mutt on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 08:11:59 AM EST

If you put that name and trhurler into Google Groups, you get an old post linking them together.

RIP. He was a fun guy to argue with.
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[ Parent ]

RIP (2.72 / 11) (#53)
by nebbish on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 08:52:55 AM EST

It seems that he died doing what he loved

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Um (2.81 / 16) (#54)
by localroger on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:00:14 AM EST

RIP. Truly a K5 icon.

alexboko: I think, how do animals view our behavior?
Sgt York: Opening
too early for zombie trhurler? $ (2.72 / 11) (#68)
by Redcatblack on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:41:55 AM EST



ROR, yes, but it would happen if it didn't cost $5 (2.00 / 3) (#75)
by Hiphopopotamus on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:58:33 AM EST


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[ Parent ]

Thank TISG for the $5 registration fee. (1.00 / 3) (#91)
by wiredog on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 10:43:25 AM EST

Or thank Rusty, anyway.

The idea of a global village is wrong, it's more like a gazillion pub bars.
Phage
[ Parent ]

SORRY NOT BUYING IT (2.25 / 4) (#69)
by Tex two point oh on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:42:21 AM EST



More... (3.00 / 6) (#70)
by Whizard on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:44:00 AM EST

Since some people have already found these links, I'll post them here just to confirm that I'm not trolling:
Lone Hiker, 31, Dies on Ozark Trail
John Adelsberger == trhurler


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So Lawrence Lessig, John Perry Barlow, Rusty, and Prince are having dinner...
Okay, I was wrong. He's dead. RIP (1.00 / 3) (#74)
by Hiphopopotamus on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:57:10 AM EST

I guess it's kind of a manly way to die. At least it wasn't in some gay-sex romp with Winthrop/Del Griffith. I imagine we'll see cts in the obits soon for just that kind of incident.
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well i'm still not believing it (2.76 / 13) (#78)
by Tex two point oh on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:59:58 AM EST

must have been a different john adelburger who likes hiking or something. sorry i just can't believe a k5 story that says trhurler had a real life friend.

[ Parent ]
but i want gay sex with you nt (none / 0) (#127)
by circletimessquare on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 01:03:50 PM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Husi response of about 75 people: (2.07 / 13) (#84)
by Hiphopopotamus on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 10:33:13 AM EST

Oh, he was the only person at K5 who I read. I never liked him, but now I like him cuz he's dead. I'm a wanker.
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regarding husi (3.00 / 7) (#135)
by Tex two point oh on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 01:48:11 PM EST

the sad fact is that the husi crowd is furiously circlejerking themselves over this so that if any of them should die they'll want some melodramatic tribute in their honor given by people who they barely know (since almost certainly no one will care in real life)

[ Parent ]
THIS IS NOT TRUE (1.00 / 3) (#259)
by Hiphopopotamus on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 07:46:35 AM EST

Eventually, after they eat the the flesh of the giant, bloated body, their 7 cats will care. I
CAN HAS FAT HUSIITE?!?!?!
_________________

I'm In LOVE!
[ Parent ]

you guys better be careful (2.40 / 5) (#260)
by osm on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 07:54:21 AM EST

when they see you talking about them, they'll come here and get all sensitive and shit.

--------
4thelulz.org
[ Parent ]

Wow, you actually do log in to that place (none / 0) (#151)
by Vampire Zombie Abu Musab al Zarqawi on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 03:48:46 PM EST

Borings. I thought you were joking.

[ Parent ]
Don't worry (none / 0) (#169)
by all tags on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 06:17:42 PM EST

No one will do that for you.

[ Parent ]
Rest in peace trhurler (2.40 / 5) (#86)
by aphasia on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 10:34:17 AM EST

He ripped on me pretty good back in the day, but always in an intelligent and (for k5 anyway) relatively kind way. By any honest accounting, trhurler was a brilliant poster and an asset to any online community. He will be missed, at least by me.

"You have *huge* brass balls. Tex would be jealous." --ti dave

The guy was an asshole (2.57 / 7) (#87)
by gndn on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 10:38:10 AM EST

Opinionated, stubborn, and arrogant. However, he was also intelligent and articulate, and earned my grudging respect more than once. RIP trhurler.

Farewell tr, (2.50 / 6) (#88)
by Bob Abooey on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 10:38:19 AM EST

We hardly knew ye.


-------
Comments on politics from a man whose life seems to revolve around his lunch menu just do not hold weight. -
heh (2.25 / 4) (#90)
by jvcoleman on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 10:41:05 AM EST

Farewell, angry man.

Well, one thing's for sure (2.83 / 18) (#94)
by Corey Haim on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 10:51:01 AM EST

"Go take a hike" is back in the game as the new FOAD.

or DIAF (none / 0) (#136)
by tetsuwan on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 01:51:51 PM EST

as it is called these days

Njal's Saga: Just like Romeo & Juliet without the romance
[ Parent ]

RIP. No joke. $ (2.40 / 5) (#99)
by Scott Robinson on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 10:58:13 AM EST



Shit (2.62 / 8) (#103)
by ucblockhead on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 11:20:25 AM EST

I'm sorry...this sucks.

My condolences to his family/friends, etc.

I will wear my "duxup loves you/trhurler hates you" shirt tomorrow in his honor.
-----------------------
This is k5. We're all tools - duxup

Me too! (none / 0) (#212)
by R343L on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 02:45:40 AM EST

/me is sad.
"Like cheese spread over too much cantelope, the people I spoke with liked their shoes." Ctrl-Alt-Del
[ Parent ]
Off topic: What does ''trhurler'' mean? (2.25 / 4) (#104)
by givemegmail111 on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 11:22:31 AM EST

and how do you pronounce it. Every time I came across his name I started to read it in my head as "troller", but as my eyes hit "hurler" it came out more like "twirler". It really bugged me. Does "t.r." stand for something? I always meant to ask him, but I guess that won't happen now. Any ideas?

--
McDonalds: i'm lovin' it
Start your day tastefully with a Sausage, Egg & Cheese McGriddle, only at McDonalds.
Rusty fix my sig, dammit!
From the man himself, (2.62 / 8) (#110)
by xC0000005 on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:03:50 PM EST

Here, he says you pronounce it T R Hurler.

Voice of the Hive - Beekeeping and Bees for those who don't
[ Parent ]
That one I can answer... (2.50 / 6) (#111)
by Whizard on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:07:25 PM EST

tr = treasure Thus, "treasure hurler". It was a reference to his mad XPilot skillz. We spent an unhealthy amount of time in school playing it.


--
So Lawrence Lessig, John Perry Barlow, Rusty, and Prince are having dinner...
[ Parent ]
My other guess was "Toctor Hurler"... (2.25 / 4) (#118)
by givemegmail111 on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:24:04 PM EST

but yours is more likely.

--
McDonalds: i'm lovin' it
Start your day tastefully with a [ Parent ]
xpilot (none / 0) (#231)
by milesdavis on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 11:47:48 AM EST

oh god, I haven't thought about that game in years. I wonder if I still have it in a tarball somewhere, with all of the game sounds we used? Like the Ren & Stimpy "oh god oh god, make the pain stop!"

[ Parent ]
I am the angel of death ... (none / 0) (#245)
by beergut on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 03:51:34 PM EST

... the time of purification is at hand.

i don't see any nanorobots or jet engines or laser holography or orbiting death sate
[
Parent ]

Eeexxxcellllleent. (none / 0) (#246)
by Whizard on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 04:00:37 PM EST

N/T


--
So Lawrence Lessig, John Perry Barlow, Rusty, and Prince are having dinner...
[ Parent ]
Unhealthy? (none / 0) (#274)
by MarkAdelsberger on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 03:19:18 PM EST

Unhealthy my ass.

At least when we were playing xpilot we weren't drinking.

Well, usually.

[ Parent ]

Heh (2.66 / 9) (#105)
by Sgt York on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 11:26:47 AM EST

If memory serves (been nearly 20 years), I know that trail.

If I'm thinking of the right one, I used to love a ~50mi segment back when I was in high school (I think it was called the "middle stretch"). Good for long weekend hike, about 40-45mi or so, IIRC. I always knew there was a lot more of it, but I never got around to hiking it.

RIP, trhurler. If I ever do get around to making that whole hike, I'll piss off a cliff for you.

There is a reason for everything. Sometimes, that reason just sucks.

RIP trhurler. (2.57 / 7) (#106)
by komet on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 11:55:54 AM EST

Even if you did not agree with his abrasive language, there's no denying his contributions to K5 culture. Truly an American icon.

YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO SURVIVE MAKE YOUR TIME.

yeah. (2.00 / 3) (#138)
by aphrael on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 02:03:08 PM EST

i rarely agreed with him and often found him annoying ... but he was one of us. it's strange, and sad, to turn around and find one of the leading icons of the tribe just ... gone.


[ Parent ]
I'm reading Rosenzweig (1.50 / 2) (#249)
by Battle Troll on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 04:28:09 PM EST

And his comments about the existential impotence of speculative philosophy in the face of death have never sounded truer.
--
Skarphedinn was carrying the axe with which he had killed Thrainn Sigfusson and which he called 'Battle Troll.'
Njal's Saga, ca 1280 AD
[ Parent ]
Adios Compadre (2.50 / 6) (#115)
by cr8dle2grave on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:10:55 PM EST

He was definitely one ornery fuck, but--apart from his ludicrous contention that Ayn Rand was one of the great philosophers of our time--he was unfailingly witty and intelligent when castigating insufferable fools.

I'd say something nice, but I think that would somehow defile his memory. So instead I'll go to the bar, get pissed, and belittle some moron to honor his memory.

You'll be missed you supercilious cunt!

---
Unity of mankind means: No escape for anyone anywhere. - Milan Kundera


I got shitfaced last night... (none / 0) (#177)
by yuo on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 07:17:02 PM EST

and that was before I even heard about this!

I wish I had thought of pants pants pants pants pants pants pants pants.
[ Parent ]

RIP (1.50 / 2) (#122)
by kromagg on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:48:05 PM EST



aw, shit. (2.50 / 6) (#123)
by CodeWright on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:50:00 PM EST

i loved to argue with trhurler -- he was contrary for its own sake. i'll down some single malt tonight in his honor.

--
A: Because it destroys the flow of conversation.
Q: Why is top posting dumb? --clover_kicker

memory eternal! (2.57 / 7) (#126)
by Battle Troll on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 01:02:29 PM EST

May God forgive his sins and bring him to the joy of everlasting life.
--
Skarphedinn was carrying the axe with which he had killed Thrainn Sigfusson and which he called 'Battle Troll.'
Njal's Saga, ca 1280 AD
one more comment (1.00 / 3) (#128)
by circletimessquare on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 01:05:33 PM EST

way too fucking young

we should all go at 81, that's fair

he went at 31

that's 50 years of this young man's life robbed

think of all he could have done

sad


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

how arbitrary (3.00 / 2) (#145)
by dongs on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 03:01:42 PM EST



[ Parent ]
3x3x3x3 (none / 1) (#154)
by circletimessquare on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 03:54:19 PM EST

it makes PERFECT SENSE

don't you see the SYMMETRY THAT IS YOUR LIFE

;-P

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

A philosophy worthy of Plato. (3.00 / 6) (#170)
by givemegmail111 on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 06:20:28 PM EST

I think you were born the opposite of ahead of your time.

--
McDonalds: i'm lovin' it
Start your day tastefully with a Sausage, Egg & Cheese McGriddle, only at McDonalds.
Rusty fix my sig, dammit!
[ Parent ]
To be fair (2.00 / 3) (#162)
by daveybaby on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 04:28:49 PM EST

the last 20 years of that would probably have involved incontinence. Not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing really.

It still fucking sucks either way.

[ Parent ]

i'm incontinent (none / 0) (#165)
by circletimessquare on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 05:15:19 PM EST

mentally incontinent that is

and it hasn't stopped me from singlehandedly saving the entire planet from self-destruction


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Keep forgetting to thank you for that. (2.00 / 3) (#167)
by daveybaby on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 05:29:24 PM EST

Cheers, dude.

[ Parent ]
Your mom (2.76 / 25) (#134)
by imrdkl on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 01:46:26 PM EST

Will miss him too.

that made me laugh out loud (2.00 / 3) (#159)
by milesdavis on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 04:20:24 PM EST

I've known trhurler for 12 years, and that last comment just made me laugh out loud. I know he would have appreciated it.

[ Parent ]
Ditto. trhurler would have approved. (1.50 / 2) (#161)
by Whizard on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 04:25:31 PM EST

Good to see you here.


--
So Lawrence Lessig, John Perry Barlow, Rusty, and Prince are having dinner...
[ Parent ]
Well, now he knows (1.50 / 2) (#137)
by DK4 Bloo on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 02:03:00 PM EST

Here's us still waiting...

seriously, (none / 1) (#171)
by nononoitaintmebabe on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 06:22:38 PM EST

something about you makes me dizzy.  

so the tr hurler thing- real?

[ Parent ]

Yes (none / 1) (#178)
by rusty on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 07:27:19 PM EST

I wish it weren't, but it is.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
it's kind of (none / 1) (#185)
by nononoitaintmebabe on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 08:15:09 PM EST

strange being sad about someone you only met on a screen.  

excuse me while i get a little weepy.

"while i thought that i was learning how to live, i have been learning how to die."

leonardo da vinci

[ Parent ]

It must be love... (none / 0) (#219)
by DK4 Bloo on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 07:37:41 AM EST

It's okay, I understand - happens all the time.

Re:Trhurler, I feel completely removed to this whole thing, but it sounds like a nice way to go though. I never knew the guy but if I think of him its like he's off in the mountains somewhere.

[ Parent ]

oh i'm quite sure (none / 1) (#253)
by nononoitaintmebabe on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 07:47:16 PM EST

you are mistaken. i don't "do" love anymore.  

but you do remind me of someone.  that is for certain.  

as for how he died, i don't think it would be so nice. there is not much i hate worse than being cold. but perhaps he didn't care.  i hope not.  

[ Parent ]

Farewell, TR (2.00 / 3) (#139)
by driph on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 02:06:44 PM EST

trhurler's been a part of k5 since the beginning. Gonna be a less interesting place without him.

--
Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
Sad what it takes (2.40 / 5) (#147)
by wiredog on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 03:05:26 PM EST

to get some of the oldtimers to post a comment around here. I wonder if Inoshiro is gonna post?

The idea of a global village is wrong, it's more like a gazillion pub bars.
Phage
[ Parent ]

Some folks who need to post (1.50 / 2) (#183)
by Soviet Russian on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 07:52:46 PM EST

Calling out streetlawyer, elenchos, and all teh other adeqoids ... Your old buddy nemesis is dead....

In other words, STREETLAWYER CHECKYA EMALE...

[ Parent ]

Holy shit (1.50 / 2) (#142)
by gbd on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 02:30:29 PM EST

This is surreal.

RIP, dude.

--
Gunter glieben glauchen globen.

wow (2.78 / 14) (#144)
by SIGNOR SPAGHETTI on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 02:54:34 PM EST

god's a cunt

--
Stop dreaming and finish your spaghetti.

He didn't die!!!!! (2.57 / 7) (#148)
by mirleid on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 03:23:34 PM EST

Just decided to go troll St. Peter...

Chickens don't give milk
RIP (1.50 / 2) (#153)
by jubal3 on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 03:52:58 PM EST

Very sad when people go so young...and sadder yet because he was one of the more interesting Kurons...gonna miss all that piss 'n vinegar...RIP buddy, you'll be missed.


***Never attribute to malice that which can be easily attributed to incompetence. -HB Owen***
weren't friends... (1.50 / 2) (#155)
by mikelist on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 03:56:32 PM EST

... but i'll miss him just the same. being older than he was (haven't cotfl)it makes me glad for every minute i have left. i have had 5 long-term friends reach their expiration date in the last year. kinda scary, but i've already been in a couple places when i KNEW my number was up, so i'm more ready than i was.

if he was a deist, hope he was right.

This sucks.$ (2.00 / 3) (#157)
by V on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 04:09:35 PM EST


---
What my fans are saying:
"That, and the fact that V is a total, utter scumbag." VZAMaZ.
"well look up little troll" cts.
"I think you're a worthless little cuntmonkey but you made me lol, so I sigged you." re
"goodness gracious you're an idiot" mariahkillschickens
if only he'd heeded my advice (2.72 / 11) (#158)
by j1mmy on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 04:19:28 PM EST

and stayed home and played video games.

RIP, good sir.


I'd say that he was a good man, (2.25 / 4) (#160)
by it certainly is on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 04:20:52 PM EST

but the bastard would just deny it.

Dying alone in the wilderness - that's one hell of a way to go.

I'll miss him.

kur0shin.org -- it certainly is

Godwin's law [...] is impossible to violate except with an infinitely long thread that doesn't mention nazis.

it's sad when ppl die (2.25 / 4) (#164)
by zombie HollyHopDrive on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 04:51:07 PM EST

RIP trhurler



[He blew]inside..m..e.. [and verily] corrected a deviated septum and cauterized my turbinates. - MichaelCrawford
And the sky is indeed blue [nt] (none / 0) (#176)
by Stjck on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 07:14:06 PM EST



[ Parent ]
Well fucking crap (2.00 / 4) (#166)
by ksandstr on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 05:21:39 PM EST

The guy was a blowhard, fair and square. Yet a site such as K5 needs to have a few blowhards on board if only to serve as, um, what do you call them, devil's attorneys.

Our collective toes will be duller for his absence.

Fin.

ROR! (1.20 / 5) (#168)
by undermyne on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 06:14:57 PM EST

BEST.

TROLL.

EVAR.




"SEALED MASTICATION MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT? " thekubrix
Fail. (1.50 / 2) (#173)
by Josh Smith II on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 06:43:46 PM EST



-- Josh Smith recommends you take a hulver hike.
[ Parent ]
i dunno (1.50 / 2) (#201)
by trane on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 10:36:13 PM EST

he's getting a lot of attention, isn't that the whole point of trolling?

[ Parent ]
Hiking alone (2.40 / 5) (#172)
by ElMiguel on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 06:35:23 PM EST

I've done quite a bit of hiking myself and I would feel reluctant about hiking alone, especially on unknown terrain.  There are lots of things that can go wrong while hiking, even if they usually don't, and if you're alone there's no one to bail you out.

That said, my guess is that years of exposure to cts rants finally got to him.

FUCK YOU FUCKING DICK SUCKING (2.61 / 13) (#180)
by circletimessquare on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 07:37:30 PM EST

...MOTHER FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT DOUCHEBAG TWAT STAIN MOTHER FUCKER...

are you dead yet?

...ASSWIPE MOTHERFUCKING SHIT EATING PIECE OF CRAP PEDOPHILE ASSWIPE...


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Awesome (1.00 / 3) (#191)
by Hiphopopotamus on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 08:52:45 PM EST


_________________

I'm In LOVE!
[ Parent ]

that was quite a jewel (1.00 / 3) (#205)
by mybostinks on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 12:55:13 AM EST

amazing ;)

[ Parent ]
Nah (3.00 / 4) (#214)
by ElMiguel on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 03:51:45 AM EST

Your really damaging comments are when you're actually trying to make sense.

[ Parent ]
Good Morning (1.33 / 3) (#221)
by circletimessquare on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 08:17:38 AM EST

It has recently come to my attention that you have a viewpoint which is not in agreement with mine. If you would be so kind as to give your inferior point of view a carefully thought out review, I think you will find that YOU CHOKED WHILE YOU WERE SUCKING ON YOUR MOM'S DICK

Best Regards,
cts


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Kinda makes this comment a bit more interesting: (none / 1) (#175)
by Josh Smith II on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 07:11:10 PM EST

http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2007/10/18/163026/28/9#9

-- Josh Smith recommends you take a hulver hike.
This sucks (3.00 / 15) (#181)
by rusty on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 07:45:39 PM EST

trhurler was here since for-fucking-ever. His account has the "default start date" of 2001-06, so it was before that. His first comment is this one, from Tue Sep 19, 2000.

His first story was voted up the next day, on 9/20/2000. Being More Positively Negative was about the value of being picky in story voting. An appropriate introduction, I'd say. He was one of the best at being positively negative, deflating the pompous or ignorant, and smacking down those of us who were talking out our asses.

I don't know what else to say. RIP man.

Also, I can't believe no one else has mentioned band camp. C'mon, if it were one of us, he'd be leading the roast. :-)

____
Not the real rusty

If there'd been guns involved (none / 0) (#184)
by ksandstr on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 08:06:58 PM EST

There'd have been a logical path from firearms to how being in the marching band doesn't actually give one any expertise at all about firearms. In a way, that was the perfect thing to ridicule him about whenever he'd get all huffy and warbloggery about something the US was obviously absolutely innocent about.

On its own though, it's just words without a living context. Unless someone finds band camp as such somehow embarrassing.

--
JA I AM MADE OF DUR GHETTUR UND YOU ARE WORTH 0.005K MONIES
[ Parent ]

I will miss him (2.00 / 3) (#182)
by mybostinks on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 07:49:43 PM EST

though I think it is all very strange. There must have been a hidden health problem that he was unaware of. I certainly hope this is the case. I cannot think of a better death; fast and quick (I hope) and at a place as beautiful as the Ozarks.

I don't know if it's right to speculate (none / 0) (#216)
by nebbish on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 05:48:14 AM EST

But hypothermia fits. You feel really warm in the later stages, hence maybe climbing out of his sleeping bag. But who knows.

---------
Kicking someone in the head is like punching them in the foot - Bruce Lee
[ Parent ]

My guess (1.50 / 2) (#217)
by R Mutt on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 06:55:39 AM EST

He pushed himself hard to reach his campsite, set things up, lay down for a rest thinking he was warm from the exertion and would get in the bag when he'd cooled down, then fell asleep and never woke up.
----
Coward... Asshole... from the start you kept up the appearance of objectively posting interesting links.
[ Parent ]
I hope so (none / 0) (#220)
by nebbish on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 07:47:47 AM EST

That's an OK way to go

---------
Kicking someone in the head is like punching them in the foot - Bruce Lee
[ Parent ]

I doubt it (none / 0) (#230)
by rusty on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 11:46:36 AM EST

I did some research, looked up the weather that day, and it doesn't look like it ever got colder than 30 or so. Chilly, but that's just not really hypothermia territory.

The initial speculation was a stroke, and that still seems very plausible.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

um (2.00 / 3) (#187)
by Liar on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 08:34:56 PM EST

Eulogies suck, because you're required to say "good words", but all I can think to say is: "How sad."

God bless and keep you, trhurler. Or FSM bless, if that's more your style.


I admit I'm a Liar. That's why you can trust me.
missing him (1.00 / 3) (#189)
by guidoreichstadter on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 08:46:43 PM EST




you are human:
no masters,
no slaves.
well, he died like most other posters on here will (2.75 / 8) (#192)
by the77x42 on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 08:54:37 PM EST

alone.


"We're not here to educate. We're here to point and laugh." - creature
"You have some pretty stupid ideas." - indubitable ‮

Bullshit (3.00 / 12) (#194)
by Stjck on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:08:24 PM EST

I'm taking several of you down with me.

[ Parent ]
you assuredly won't bring down trhurler (none / 0) (#199)
by raduga on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 10:29:08 PM EST



[ Parent ]
No (none / 0) (#200)
by Stjck on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 10:31:27 PM EST

But zombie trhurler is another matter entirely.

[ Parent ]
Everyone dies alone. $ (3.00 / 2) (#208)
by Zombie Gautama Buddha on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 01:58:11 AM EST



[ Parent ]
Siamese twins don't. (nt) (3.00 / 5) (#248)
by ucblockhead on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 04:24:33 PM EST


-----------------------
This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
[ Parent ]
Nor do schizophrenics (3.00 / 2) (#256)
by the77x42 on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 10:28:29 PM EST




"We're not here to educate. We're here to point and laugh." - creature
"You have some pretty stupid ideas." - indubitable ‮

[ Parent ]
Millions of Jews didn't (3.00 / 5) (#258)
by Corey Haim on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 07:00:24 AM EST



[ Parent ]
oh that is so taboo i give you a 3 (none / 0) (#265)
by the77x42 on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 11:57:04 AM EST




"We're not here to educate. We're here to point and laugh." - creature
"You have some pretty stupid ideas." - indubitable ‮

[ Parent ]
Proof || STFU $ (none / 0) (#284)
by Zombie Gautama Buddha on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 02:30:12 AM EST



[ Parent ]
RIP, trhurler. You were one of a kind.$ (2.70 / 10) (#193)
by skyknight on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 08:57:50 PM EST



It's not much fun at the top. I envy the common people, their hearty meals and Bruce Springsteen and voting. --SIGNOR SPAGHETTI
An update (2.00 / 3) (#195)
by achievingfluidity on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:18:37 PM EST

from the Times-Record here

--
ANNOY A LIBERAL USE FACTS AND LOGIC


Arrangements... (2.40 / 5) (#196)
by Whizard on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:43:38 PM EST

The visitation has been scheduled, and the obit from the funeral home is here.


--
So Lawrence Lessig, John Perry Barlow, Rusty, and Prince are having dinner...
Damnit (1.50 / 2) (#204)
by milesdavis on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 12:17:41 AM EST

Anybody interested in manning the Pacific Regional ACM programming contest so I can fly to St Louis this weekend?

This sucks.

[ Parent ]

i appreciated his programming advice (2.66 / 9) (#202)
by trane on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 10:41:16 PM EST

when i was whining about not being a good enough programmer to implement my ai visions, he suggested: become a better programmer. I took that to heart. His criticisms of the programming shit I put up here usually made me think hard.

Farewell trhurler (N/T) (2.00 / 3) (#203)
by theboz on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 11:23:07 PM EST

No Text

Stuff.

RIP trhurler (2.00 / 3) (#206)
by hulver on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 01:27:57 AM EST



--
HuSi!
HuSi ----> (3.00 / 8) (#242)
by Josh Smith II on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 03:00:41 PM EST



-- Josh Smith recommends you take a hulver hike.
[ Parent ]
Leb wohl, trhurler. (1.50 / 2) (#210)
by Captain_Tenille on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 02:11:15 AM EST

Well, that's not strictly possible in this case, but leb wohl.
----
/* You are not expected to understand this. */

Man Vs. Nature: The Road to Victory!

bye trhurler (2.00 / 4) (#211)
by Phssthpok on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 02:16:51 AM EST


____________

affective flattening has caused me to kill 11,357 people

who's going to hate us now? (2.00 / 4) (#213)
by khallow on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 02:56:23 AM EST

I'll miss him. Even though I never met him.

Stating the obvious since 1969.

I'll hate you, if that helps (none / 0) (#229)
by milesdavis on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 11:34:24 AM EST

...but I only visit k5 once every few months, so I may need assistance

[ Parent ]
If it makes anyone feel better... (none / 0) (#244)
by beergut on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 03:45:29 PM EST

I've hated everyone here all along.

*snif*

i don't see any nanorobots or jet engines or laser holography or orbiting death sate
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Parent ]

Well (2.75 / 12) (#275)
by MarkAdelsberger on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 03:23:27 PM EST

that's the great thing about an online persona.

John Adelsberger is dead, and would've happily argued to the death that he is, therefore, no more.  Not in the next life hating you, just gone.

trhurler, on the other hand, is a universal constant.  trhurler still hates you.

[ Parent ]

Dammit, Mark... (none / 0) (#282)
by beergut on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 10:16:10 PM EST

... in an odd way, that was beautiful.

i don't see any nanorobots or jet engines or laser holography or orbiting death sate
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Forever treasure hurler (1.33 / 3) (#285)
by sye on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 03:09:23 AM EST

Easter Eve

Wary of time O it seizes the soul tonight
I wait for the great morning of the west
confessing with every breath mortality.
Moon of this wild sky struggles to stay whole
and on the water silvers the ships of war.
I go alone in the black-yellow light
all night waiting for day, while everywhere the sure
death of light, the leaf's sure return to the root
is repeated in million, death of all man to share.
Whatever world I know shines ritual death,
wide under this moon they stand gathering fire,
fighting with flame, stand fighting in their graves.
All shining with life as the leaf, as the wing shines,
the stone deep in the mountain, the drop in the green wave.
Lit by their energies, secretly, all things shine.
Nothing can black that glow of life; although
each part go crumbling down
itself shall rise up whole.

Now I say there are new meanings; now I name
death our black honor and feast of possibility
to celebrate casting of life on life. This earth-long day between
blood and resurrection where we wait
remembering sun, seed, fire; remembering
that fierce Judaean Innocent who risked
every immortal meaning on one life.
Given to our year as sun and spirit are,
as seed we are blessed only in needing freedom.
Now I say that the peace the spirit needs is peace,
not lack of war, but fierce continual flame.
For all men: effort is freedom, effort's peace,
it fights. And along these truths the soul goes home,
flies in its blazing to a place
more safe and round than Paradise.

Night of the soul, our dreams in the arms of dreams
dissolving into eyes that look upon us.
Dreams the sources of action, the meeting and the end,
a resting-place among the flight of things.
And love which contains all human spirit, all wish,
the eyes and hands, sex, mouth, the whole woman--
fierce peace I say at last, and the sense of the world.
In the time of conviction of mortality
whatever survive, I remember what I am--
The nets of this night are on fire with sun and moon
pouring both lights into the open tomb.
Whatever arise, it comes in the shape of peace,
fierce peace which is love, in which move all the stars,
and the breathing of universes, filling, falling away,
and death on earth cast into the human dream.
What fire survive forever
myself is for my time.

- From Muriel Rukeyser Reader

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[ Parent ]

videos from trhurler's trip (1.00 / 8) (#215)
by raduga on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 04:15:14 AM EST

u-toob 1:
u-toob 2:

better heard than watched; minimize and you're gold.

More info (3.00 / 3) (#218)
by DoctorBit on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 07:25:00 AM EST

From the St. Louis Post-Dispatch:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stcharles/story/4E574816195E1F FC8625738D001967A4?OpenDocument

"Ruth Adelsberger of St. Charles said her son, a computer programmer, had been planning to hike the 180-mile trail for years, and that he had begun his hike Oct. 27. Adelsberger was found lying atop a sleeping bag and under a tarp suspended between trees. His mother described him as an avid backpacker who decided to make the hike alone when none of his friends were available to join him. She described him an "independent, strong-willed, opinionated, moral and loving young man"

His mother's description: (2.50 / 6) (#222)
by nebbish on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 08:38:49 AM EST

"...strong-willed, opinionated, moral." I suppose we knew him pretty well after all. Unless she's on K5 too.

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[ Parent ]

"your mom's on k5" (2.72 / 11) (#223)
by circletimessquare on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 09:05:50 AM EST

i can't imagine a more indecent insult


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Mine is (none / 1) (#228)
by shoemaker on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 10:20:56 AM EST

you insensitive clod.

[ Parent ]
Mine too (2.00 / 3) (#267)
by rusty on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 01:32:47 PM EST

I hope she doesn't read my comments though.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Hmm... somehow, I think this would delight him. (2.00 / 3) (#243)
by beergut on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 03:43:30 PM EST

You know...

Your mom is on K5.

NO!

K5 is on your mom! And so am I!

i don't see any nanorobots or jet engines or laser holography or orbiting death sate
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Parent ]

trhurler's irish k5 wake (1.50 / 2) (#255)
by circletimessquare on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 09:17:32 PM EST

everyone get drunk and insult each ohter in his name

i'll start

YOU SUCK YOUR MOM'S DICK BEERGUT

in your name john!

bottoms up!

*hic*


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Hey! (2.25 / 4) (#269)
by beergut on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 02:14:22 PM EST

I do not! My mouth's not big enough!

Or did I miss the point?

CTS, you're like e e cummings, only without being interesting.

i don't see any nanorobots or jet engines or laser holography or orbiting death sate
[
Parent ]

i am c t square (none / 0) (#273)
by circletimessquare on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 02:33:37 PM EST

i am c t square i am not interesting
i learned on it on the web
the spider (the spider) and his web (not his)


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Death sux! (1.33 / 3) (#227)
by Cro Magnon on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 09:50:03 AM EST

:(
Information wants to be beer.
Dying is a part of living (none / 0) (#233)
by krkrbt on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 12:21:53 PM EST

Less socially-primitive societies accept it as such. The Australian Aborigines are said to throw a party when a member of the tribe dies, as they believe that the deceased has moved on to a better place. Certain Native American tribes has the 'death walk' (?), where a member of the tribe who has become a burden takes a trip out into the wilderness and enters the spirit world directly (like a Near Death Experience, but without the return to physical at the end).

Chief Tecumseh's words come to mind:

So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart.
Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and
Demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life,
Beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and
Its purpose in the service of your people.

Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.
Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend,
Even a stranger, when in a lonely place. Show respect to all people and
Bow to none. When you arise in the morning, give thanks for the food and
For the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks,
The fault lies only in yourself. Abuse no one and nothing,
For abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision.

When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts
Are filled with fear of death, so that when their time comes
They weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again
In a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home."

-http://www.indigenouspeople.net/tecumseh.htm

Seems to me that Mr. TR Hurler went out singing his song, doing what he loved. Bravo!

[ Parent ]

unconvincing (1.50 / 4) (#234)
by circletimessquare on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 12:42:30 PM EST

death still sucks

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Um (3.00 / 4) (#266)
by rusty on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 01:31:48 PM EST

Watch where you're swinging that noble savage myth there, guy.

In the Navajo culture, death was feared and reviled to a pretty absurd degree. If someone died in a hogan, they would have to pull the body out a hole cut in the north wall, burn the hogan and everything in it, perform elaborate burial and cleansing rituals, and basically never speak of the dead person again, lest you invite their ghost (which is always evil, no matter what the person was like in life) back to torment you.

Death was most definitely not a "part of life" to them.

Basically, different cultures have different views of death, and always have. It has nothing to do with some imaginary continuum of more or less "advanced."

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

And in Shinto... (none / 0) (#331)
by codespace on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 12:17:18 PM EST

Death is considered the most unclean thing that can happen. Very unlucky, too.

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today on how it's made: kitchen knives, mannequins, socks and hypodermic needles.
[ Parent ]
This reminds me of animals (none / 0) (#280)
by ksandstr on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 10:14:53 PM EST

You don't see dead animals around much unless they've been flattened by vehicles and such. I figure the reason for this is that animals, knowing instinctively that the end is near, conceal themselves in some hole or nook somewhere and sort of... voluntarily stop living.

This hypothesis is backed up by a anecdotal evidence (lol) about pets' near-death behaviour: hideously ancient cats curling up under dense bushes, mice digging themselves as deeply into their box material as possible etc.

Also, what, don't people in the US have a section of the funeral proceedings where you turn the somber switch to the off position, eat cake, get hammered and have as jolly good a time as can be had at a funeral? Remembering the good times with other people and so forth.

Fin.
[ Parent ]

It's because other animals eat them [nt] (3.00 / 3) (#288)
by Stjck on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 08:40:56 AM EST



[ Parent ]
This is sad (1.50 / 2) (#232)
by stuaart on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 12:11:50 PM EST

because if he'd been with at least one other person he probably would have been ok.

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i wonder what the cause was? (none / 0) (#235)
by circletimessquare on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 12:55:58 PM EST

hypothermia? extertion induced heart attack (aggravated pre-existing condition)? poisoning from eating the wrong mushrooms?

i think one of the worst way a hiker has ever gone is this:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/biowarfare_01

basically, these campers in oregon were making their morning coffee, and overnight a newt had crawled into their coffee pot (probably was warmer/ cooler than the surroundings), or was scooped up out of the stream with water

wrong newt

it was the rough-skinned newt, which produced a tetrodoxin against it's predator, garter snakes. the garter snakes just lose control of their jaw for a few hours if they bite one of these guys, but not so for humans. it is said an amount that would fit on a pinhead of this tetrodoxin would kill a human

so these poor shmucks would wake up in the morning, brew some coffee, take a gulp...

and keel over paralyzed, then, shortly, stone dead

uggh


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

wow holy shit (1.00 / 3) (#236)
by balsamic vinigga on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 01:05:45 PM EST

a newt more toxic than gingrich. That bit about evolutionary arms race in the wiki was fascinating.

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[ Parent ]
Yeah... (2.00 / 3) (#237)
by Whizard on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 01:08:27 PM EST

...and can you imagine just how bad newt-flavored coffee would be?


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[ Parent ]
it's possible (none / 0) (#238)
by circletimessquare on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 01:14:25 PM EST

only a tiny amount of poison is required, it might not affect the taste enough

and aren't there guys who sleep in the desert always getting stung by scorpions who crawl into their boots at night?

lesson being: when you are outside, beware of your objects being invaded by dangerous critters

i went camping in newfoundland once

we left the potato salad out one night on the table (which was really stupid considering the bear, wolves, and angry bull moose around)

in the morning, a dozen 6 inch long jet black slugs were consuming it. you could hear them eat. i have never before and ever again seen anything like that in my life. these slugs must be some sort of species only found on the island

the freakiest was one of the slugs that had a mushroom growing out the side of his head. fucking zombie undead giant slug

undead zombie giant evil black newfoundland slugs

i have seen all there is in this world now


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Anyone ever buy any "trhurler hates you" (3.00 / 2) (#239)
by wiredog on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 02:17:54 PM EST

T-shirts?

The idea of a global village is wrong, it's more like a gazillion pub bars.
Phage

Damn... (none / 1) (#240)
by Whizard on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 02:50:50 PM EST

I wish I had - I would wear it to the visitation tomorrow.


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So Lawrence Lessig, John Perry Barlow, Rusty, and Prince are having dinner...
[ Parent ]
in the event nobody has said it (2.66 / 9) (#241)
by aphrael on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 03:00:40 PM EST

thank you very much for letting us know about this.

knowing bad news is so much better than not knowing and wondering.

[ Parent ]

I did (none / 0) (#247)
by ucblockhead on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 04:22:01 PM EST

I'm wearing it now.
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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
[ Parent ]
sigh (none / 0) (#257)
by R343L on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 01:24:10 AM EST

I had one. No idea where it went.
"Like cheese spread over too much cantelope, the people I spoke with liked their shoes." Ctrl-Alt-Del
[ Parent ]
Holy crap. (2.57 / 7) (#271)
by MarkAdelsberger on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 02:24:10 PM EST

Well, I for one would like to acquire one of these shirts.  Suppose the odds of a reprint are pretty long.

If anyone has a spare they're willing to part with, we can talk.  But should you even think of profiteering, forget about it.  I may have lost a brother, but I'm not stupid.

And the odds are fair that I hate you too.

[ Parent ]

I apparently only argued with trhurler once (2.00 / 3) (#250)
by Pentashagon on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 04:49:55 PM EST

About guns, appropriately.

With all his posts, we should be able to build a construct of him or something.

damn (2.25 / 4) (#251)
by thekubrix on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 04:57:06 PM EST

I take a day off the tubes and all hell breaks loose.

I really liked trhurler, he was one of the VERY few people here that I considered interesting AND intelligent. I would absolutely read anything he posted. He will be missed.

RIP

:~(

RIP dude (2.00 / 3) (#252)
by gumbo on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 05:04:25 PM EST

I don't really post anymore, but I'll post for this.

I guess I'll post it one more time: (2.83 / 6) (#254)
by Brogdel on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 08:34:42 PM EST

Heh heh. His name makes me think Turd hurler.

Oddly, (none / 0) (#270)
by MarkAdelsberger on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 02:20:47 PM EST

I have to think he'd appreciate that.

For those who don't know, I'm reasonably certain it was an x-pilot reference.

[ Parent ]

Curious (none / 0) (#277)
by Mealy Potatoes on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 04:45:34 PM EST

Did you know he had this trhuler persona on K5?

Also - any word yet as to the cause of death?

[ Parent ]

Yes. No. (none / 0) (#290)
by MarkAdelsberger on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 03:01:20 PM EST

I was aware that he had been here years ago; I wasn't aware he was still active here.

No new information on cause of death yet.  Preliminary report should be in soon, but the fact is under the circumstances we're not giong to get a complete picture.  That's one of the drawbacks when a person dies alone.

[ Parent ]

I mean no disrespect. (none / 0) (#278)
by Brogdel on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 07:01:37 PM EST

It's a reply I would make to his comments/diaries every now and then.

[ Parent ]
No disrespect taken. (none / 0) (#291)
by MarkAdelsberger on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 03:06:04 PM EST

I'm reasonably aware of the local culture, and of how John interacted here himself.  You realize he'd mock you endlessly for even coming close to an appology, don't you?

[ Parent ]
Any update on the cause of death? (none / 0) (#309)
by Josh Smith II on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:38:59 PM EST



-- Josh Smith recommends you take a hulver hike.
[ Parent ]
Here is all we will know for a while. (3.00 / 6) (#310)
by MarkAdelsberger on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 07:19:30 PM EST

On Sunday, I traveled to Dyer, AR with our parents and sister to retrieve John's belongings.  A few things (cell phone, camera) they won't release until they get word from the medical examiner; a few other things weren't readily available but will be sent to us.  Most of his camping gear is in our possesssion now.

This was not expected to be an information-gathering trip, and indeed we learned little.  In fact, I know less now than I thought I did before.  That is the nature of a situation like this.  You get fragments and contradictory stories, and you don't know who to believe, who is making assumptions, who knows what he's talking about, or who might for some reason mislead you.

In light of the growing uncertainty around the situation, I opted not to hike into the site at this time, as I had originally planned to do.  The risk would probably have been small; but when you step into the woods, you step outside the safety net of civilization -- and I choose to do so only in situations I understand.

There are some possible sources of information we're debating about, but ultimately these too may lead to more questions than answers, or they may simply lack value.  The next definite source of trusted facts will be the medical examiner's report.  

A preliminary report will be made to the sherif in Ozark soon (from what I'm told, I expect later this week); so if they pass information along to us, we may learn something from that.

We expect the full report to take months.  In situations like this, they routinely run toxicology tests that can take a long time, and depending on the doctors the final report may wait on all of those tests.

When the full report is released, we can obtain a copy of it, and will learn what we can from that.  It still won't tell us everything, but maybe it will tell us enough.  Whatever "enough" is.

So, what can I tell you, really?  I could run through every range of possible truth we have, but to what end?  I'm not interested in fueling speculation.  See elsewhere my note about the difference between news and entertainment.

To those who would ask for news: I'm truly sorry, but you have all that there is at this time.  You have all that there will be for some time to come.  Naturally those of us who were closest to him want to make sense of this; but the facts just aren't there.  Pieces are missing, and the pieces we have are unclear.  If you truly want to konw, then I could only do you a disservice by spreading the guesswork currently at my disposal.

To those who would ask for entertainment: kindly fuck off.

[ Parent ]

Would you be willing to post the info (none / 1) (#311)
by Josh Smith II on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 07:31:40 PM EST

in the queue when you do find out? Or failing that a diary. I think a lot of us are still curious. Humans always want answers after all. BTW, if you're offended by the treatment of him here, understand this place has pretty well given him a viking funeral, in their own way.

-- Josh Smith recommends you take a hulver hike.
[ Parent ]
Hm. (3.00 / 5) (#312)
by MarkAdelsberger on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 10:57:33 PM EST

It is, and has been, my intention to post information as it becomes available.  We'll see if you're still curious in three or four months.

To your other point: If you have read what I have written and take from it that I am offended, then perhaps you are a fool.  If so, I likely cannot improve your lot in that regard.

Still, if it helps, consider this:

I have more direct lines of contact with John's friends than this forum.  They might see what I write here and take it as they will, but were I speaking principally for their benefit, I would speak to them in person.

I post here for the benefit of the group as a whole.  If I found the group offensive, then for all I would care it could go to hell never having heard a word from me.  If you think I would waste words trying to edify a mob, then you think me a fool; and in that case, again, I can't help you.

Yes, people are curious by nature.  And there are two kinds of curiousity that appear in a time like this.  I'm quite certain that both are present in this forum, and in any other sufficiently large group.  I think I addressed each suitably in my previous message, but to avoid any confusion:

Some understand that these are real events affecting a real family and their real friends.  Those who truly commiserate want the same answers we want.  They would like them now, as would we, but they (and we) will have to wait, because real events take time to unfold.  I appreciate their inquiries but cannot satisfy them at this time.  It is for their benefit that I will post more information when I can, and it reflects a rare state of natural justice that they will probably be the only ones who remain curious enough to read those posts when finally I can make them.

Others are experiencing this as a web-based serial; a bit of morbid voyeurism in which they want loose ends tied up before the next episode ends.  This sort of selfish curiosity may be natural, but it is neither my duty nor my desire to address it.

So no, I do not find the general reaction here offensive.  As I've said before, I have understood this place longer than you have known that I exist.

I don't even find the questions themselves offensive.  That's not the point.

The point is, as you ask your questions, think a bit about why you want to know.  Based on that, either go in peace, knowing that I want answers too; or kindly fuck off; as appropriate.

If you are still unclear on my thinking, then are you perhaps too busy seeing what you assume is around you to open your eyes and check?

[ Parent ]

You're definitely brothers. (none / 0) (#314)
by Josh Smith II on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 10:27:16 AM EST



-- Josh Smith recommends you take a hulver hike.
[ Parent ]
heh i know right? (1.50 / 4) (#317)
by balsamic vinigga on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 06:39:25 PM EST

can you imagine thanksgiving pre-hike? ror

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[ Parent ]
Yep, absolutely his bro (none / 0) (#318)
by LilDebbie on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 08:47:34 PM EST

You should hang out sometime. I think you'd like it here.

My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
- hugin -

[ Parent ]
cell phone (2.40 / 5) (#313)
by skyknight on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 11:40:07 PM EST

The first thing I felt when reading this piece by Whizard was shock. The second, which followed only moments after, was disbelief. I very nearly called John's cell phone, hoping to find out that all of this was a horrible hoax. I then came to my senses and realized that it would probably be an incredibly crass thing to do if the story were real. Slogging through the comments, and eventually seeing the news articles with his real name, my heart sank.

Having trhurler disappear so suddenly is just surreal. I had some incredibly deep conversations with him on K5 over the years, but the last exchange I had with him was utterly unremarkable. I thought for sure we'd be poking holes in each other's arguments for years to come in the grand tradition of things. Not so...

In the last week I've been communing with John's ghost by perusing old comment threads we shared. The really discomfiting thing in all this is that they don't feel that unlike when trhurler's meat space avatar was still with us, the only difference being that he can never add anything more.

I can't bring myself to press the delete key on his contact info in my cell phone.

He will be missed.



It's not much fun at the top. I envy the common people, their hearty meals and Bruce Springsteen and voting. --SIGNOR SPAGHETTI
[ Parent ]
Thanks (none / 0) (#316)
by Mealy Potatoes on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 01:17:29 PM EST

Thanks for taking the time to update us in any way you feel is appropriate.

[ Parent ]
RIP (1.50 / 2) (#264)
by Big Sexxy Joe on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 10:06:02 AM EST

I would like to extend my condolences to his friends and family.

Hey I was wondering, what did the name trhurler mean?  I always assumed his name was T.R. Hurler or something.

I'm like Jesus, only better.
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So sayeth a former co-worker, at the visitation: (1.50 / 2) (#279)
by beergut on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 09:46:35 PM EST

"If they found him in his sleeping bag, he probably farted."

Damn. Now that's a great tribute.

*snif*

i don't see any nanorobots or jet engines or laser holography or orbiting death sate

RIP (none / 1) (#281)
by crayz on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 10:15:16 PM EST

Been a while since I've been active at K5, but I still remember trhurler. Often wrong, and always worth listening to

It has to be said (1.50 / 2) (#286)
by psychologist on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:14:45 AM EST

This just proves that K5 is dying. I don't remember ever intercting directly with hurler, but I remember him as one of the characters with character on this site.

Fuck him (3.00 / 8) (#287)
by godix on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:37:16 AM EST

he hated me, why shouldn't I return the favor?


- An egotist is someone who thinks they're almost as good as I am.
Damn that's cold, (none / 0) (#289)
by Brogdel on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 01:04:17 PM EST

but honest. Gotta expect that here.

[ Parent ]
It's also a joke (none / 0) (#294)
by godix on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:33:19 PM EST

and, in a way, a tribute to the type of comments he always made. But this is the internets so I guess it's not surprised it was misinterpreted.


- An egotist is someone who thinks they're almost as good as I am.
[ Parent ]
I'm slow sometimes.nt (none / 0) (#295)
by Brogdel on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 05:28:22 PM EST



[ Parent ]
don't worry (none / 0) (#297)
by rhiannon on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 11:20:20 PM EST

It wasn't a particularly good or funny joke.

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[ Parent ]
Of course not, this is K5 (2.00 / 3) (#298)
by godix on Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 01:54:52 PM EST




- An egotist is someone who thinks they're almost as good as I am.
[ Parent ]
Damn (1.50 / 2) (#293)
by razzmataz on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 04:21:33 PM EST

trhurler was one of the few fellow stl k5 people.  Now, I will never meet him.  I'd always wanted to talk with him, whether it be about computers, guns or making fun of the zit faced kids with their ricers...




RIP, dude. Or at least give them hell...
-- I love the smell of fdisk in the morning...
How fitting (2.57 / 7) (#299)
by shinshin on Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 01:33:23 AM EST

that his death would be announced in the Meta section, as that was the section that he purported to be responsible for creating.

I'll miss arguing with him.

____
We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons --Dick Cheney, Meet the Press, March 16, 2003

You can still argue with him (3.00 / 6) (#300)
by Stjck on Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 11:45:15 AM EST

And it's much easier to win now.

[ Parent ]
As shown by the failfuck Johnny. (1.50 / 2) (#308)
by Josh Smith II on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:37:29 PM EST



-- Josh Smith recommends you take a hulver hike.
[ Parent ]
and so it goes. (none / 0) (#301)
by zenofchai on Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 04:30:21 PM EST

well-titled article, i agree whole-heartedly.

-z
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RIP (none / 0) (#302)
by cbraga on Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 09:06:24 PM EST

nt

ESC[78;89;13p ESC[110;121;13p
Is it wrong... (2.25 / 4) (#303)
by WonderJoust on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:20:49 AM EST

...that I opened a reply to one of his comments, typed out "Yea, well, you're dead, who's right now BITCH?!" and hovered over Post for 30-45 seconds before deciding against it?

_________________________________
i like your style: bitter, without being a complete cunt about it.
-birds ate my face

yes, quite..... (2.40 / 5) (#307)
by balsamic vinigga on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 12:52:09 PM EST

...wait, do you mean the sentiment or the fact that you didn't post it?

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[ Parent ]
Oh man. (none / 1) (#304)
by Ta bu shi da yu on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 08:27:49 AM EST

Truly a sad day :(

Vale trhurler.

---
AdTIה"the think tank that didn't".
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condolences (none / 1) (#315)
by toilet on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 12:59:20 PM EST

That sucks.  My condolences,

Donny was a good bowler, and a good man. (none / 1) (#321)
by the77x42 on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 08:03:14 PM EST

He was one of us. He was a man who loved the outdoors... and bowling, and as a surfer he explored the beaches of Southern California, from La Jolla to Leo Carrillo and... up to... Pismo. He died, like so many young men of his generation, he died before his time. In your wisdom, Lord, you took him, as you took so many bright flowering young men at Khe Sanh, at Langdok, at Hill 364. These young men gave their lives. And so would Donny. Donny, who loved bowling. And so, Theodore Donald Karabotsos, in accordance with what we think your dying wishes might well have been, we commit your final mortal remains to the bosom of the Pacific Ocean, which you loved so well. Good night, sweet prince.


"We're not here to educate. We're here to point and laugh." - creature
"You have some pretty stupid ideas." - indubitable ‮

I think I argued with him once (1.50 / 2) (#323)
by starX on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 10:46:39 PM EST

And the bitter irony of it all was that I was arguing in favor of Hobbes' view of life outside society being nasty, brutish, and short. I didn't like him much, but I don't want to speak ill of the dead so I won't get into that.

I go out on the trail alone a lot, and I can think of a few times where I almost didn't make it back. I can't help but feel I'll have more respect for him in death than I ever would have had in life. So I'm going to go pour one out for him. Not because I liked him, but because I'd like to think that if I met him out on the trail in person rather than here on k5 I would have.

"I like you starX, you disagree without sounding like a fanatic from a rock-solid point of view. Highfive." --WonderJoust

Basically why I came here (none / 0) (#324)
by Spendocrat on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 04:38:11 AM EST

Trhurler was the only reason I've been coming here for the past year or two (since CBB and rusty have stopped putting out diaries). He inspired me to check my facts and ultimately was part of the reason I started taking philosophy courses.

By far the most interesting poster here. Thanks to those who let us know about his demise.

I hope he was *enjoying* the hike, at least.

RIP. (none / 0) (#325)
by spooky wookie on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 07:26:44 AM EST

Seems every time I check back someone has died. Life is a fragile thing indeed...

Rest In Peace trhurler (none / 0) (#326)
by Scrymarch on Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 02:49:47 PM EST

Too young.

I must admit a tiny twinge of loss at this news. (none / 0) (#327)
by OzJuggler on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 06:05:15 AM EST

The last time I tangled with him I reckon I fended off his attack okay. The time before that I basically shut him down.
So I think the long-timers of k5 have seen, shall we say, Peak Hurler, after which his troll production rate went into decline.

His style was to never stick around in the debate for very long. He'd chuck his troll bomb in at the top level and leave without answering his critics and detractors. On the other hand when you've got an army of like-minded proteges who will pick up the ball and run with it you can afford to do that.

It would be great to get eLuddite to revive his account and say a few words because those two had such fierce debates back in the day. Oh well.

Yeah, like the other ppl have said, there's a whole lot worse ways to die. I mean, he could have jerked off to death. It would be more typical of a kurobot, for sure. But instead it appears he was getting back to nature, going on some sort of personal inner journey too perhaps.

But I think the main sense of loss we have is the loss of a worthy adversary in the cut and thrust of online debate. He would take one or two facts, the most relevant and hard hitting of all those available, and form them into a spear of logic that could seldom be dodged.

-OzJuggler.
"And I will not rest until every year families gather to spend December 25th together
at Osama's homo abortion pot and commie jizzporium." - Jon Stewart's gift to Bill O'Reilly, 7 Dec 2005.

I'm not convinced (none / 0) (#333)
by Spendocrat on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 02:48:07 AM EST

that you saying something totally irrelevant to the argument and him not replying to you is you "shutting him down" (except that you get the same net effect.)

[ Parent ]
an old trhurler vs eLuddite match. (none / 0) (#328)
by OzJuggler on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 06:31:45 AM EST

What Human Rights really means

There are more if you care to look, but unfortunately most of them have been lost to the mists of time due partly to our site's history of server incidents and also to our dictator's retention policies.

R. (1.50 / 2) (#329)
by gdanjo on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 04:37:48 AM EST

I doubt trhurler believed in an afterlife. Memes like Rest In Peace contain far too much redundant bullshit for a man that got to the crux of his point, only meandering enough to get you and your mama.

Rest, friend.

Dan ...
"Death - oh! fair and `guiling copesmate Death!
Be not a malais'd beggar; claim this bloody jester!"
-ToT

Tribute to an asshole (none / 0) (#330)
by itsbruce on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 08:01:43 AM EST

I once predicted how trhurler's life story might be commemorated in film. Perhaps it is time begin that project. Hmm. I also offered to shoot him, as an act of mercy, in that post. This should not be taken in any way as a confession.

--

It is impolite to tell a man who is carrying you on his shoulders that his head smells.
can cts be next? (3.00 / 2) (#334)
by flaw on Sun Dec 09, 2007 at 02:25:48 AM EST

plz

--
ピニス, ピニス, everyone loves ピニス!
I will miss trhurler. (2.25 / 4) (#335)
by mr strange on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 08:21:56 AM EST

Even though he was always wrong about almost everything.

BTW, A friend of his has posted a photo montage. Holy shit, he stole my beard!

intrigued by your idea that fascism is feminine - livus

Thanks for posting that link.$ (none / 0) (#336)
by skyknight on Fri Dec 21, 2007 at 08:56:03 PM EST



It's not much fun at the top. I envy the common people, their hearty meals and Bruce Springsteen and voting. --SIGNOR SPAGHETTI
[ Parent ]
Goodbye troll (none / 0) (#337)
by FattMattP on Tue Jan 01, 2008 at 05:37:32 PM EST

trhurler was a royal jackass who was occasionally entertaining. The fact that he's dead doesn't suddenly make him any less of a jackass. At worst he doesn't have a chance to redeem himself. One troll gone, at least.

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