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Four Stern Measures to Keep K5 From Dying

By nostalgiphile in Meta
Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 07:51:19 AM EST
Tags: K5 is dying but, K5, YFI, invade China, propaganda (all tags)

According to the K5 troll trolltracker thing--which IS monitoring us btw--we currently suck. Since around early 2004, the K5 Kabal's statistics show, the site's front page content, diary crapflooding, and overall user activity has been dropping ridiculously fast. In other words, K5 is dying, or at least in the worst slump ever according to our ship's scientist, who believe we're traveling at warp speed straight toward oblivion. I, Ensign N0574 believe there are Four Stern Measures which can be implemented to stage a serious khey5 comeback that will keep us from getting sucked into that bigass black hole of oblivion we've been getting readings for.

Legally binding pole inside.


Here are my suggested Four Stern Measures

1) Massively increase diary production (by original users I mean). We make blood vows to post X number of diaries per month and stick to it. Diaries keep us in the loop, boost our google metric, and often spawn FP stories. See Pole @ right.

2) Invade or 'expand overseas operations into' or whatever verb, trollerize China and/or whichever countries you infidels speak the languages of (e.g., sye's commie vaterland, MMM's Russian culture-inspired Finnland, or Egil's Vikingese hinterland [Iceland]). I know, this will seriously de-prettify K5 by including foreign characters some of you can't read, but hey, sacrifices have to be made.

3) Write provocative trolls and one-off MLPs that hammer away at the hypocrisy and lies of other internet 'media outlets', the heresies of the catholics, transhumanism, scientology, or whatever fucked up organization it is you bother to hate. Post things which are intentionally sensational and/or trollistic, I mean.

4) All out propaganda by the deed on each and every blog (not just teh massive ones like slashdawt) in the galaxy--mention K5 everywhere you go, like a dog pissing on tires. No, I'm not talking about spamming...quite, but something more along the lines of graffiti.

If we all adhere to at least one of the above, I believe K5 can once again be as lean and geeky as localroger on an atkins diet, as tastefully odd as LilDeb lifting weights in the dark in his little apartment room not thinking about chicks, as learned and wise as eavier at a pr0n convention, and even, for once, more hip on the internet than maud trolling the ghetto on a Sunday night. I could go on in this vein including lots of you, but I think you get the point, fellow Kurons. We don't want to wind up as the Lemon Juice of the internets, I think, but our mission is in serious jeopardy and we're headed that way. The survival of our particular species of troll hangs in the balance, and it may already be too late. At least we can go down in style, no?*

*Please forgive the hyperbolic writing style of this article, I'm drunk. Oh damn, this note will piss off loteck...I better stfu.

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K5 is dying but
o I will post 5 or more diaries this month (all of them good) 31%
o I will post 10 or more diaries this month (all of them good) 6%
o I will post 15 or more diaries this month (some of them good) 0%
o I will post 25 or more diaries this month (none of them good) 18%
o I will post 2 or more MLPs this month 6%
o I will post 1 or more brilliantly trollish SP article this month 12%
o I will post 1 or more brilliantly trollish FP article this month 25%

Votes: 16
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Four Stern Measures to Keep K5 From Dying | 150 comments (140 topical, 10 editorial, 3 hidden)
I am the only one holding this thing together. (2.14 / 7) (#1)
by Egil Skallagrimson on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:24:15 AM EST


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Enterobacteria phage T2 is a virulent bacteriophage of the T4-like viruses genus, in the family Myoviridae. It infects E. coli and is the best known of the T-even phages. Its virion contains linear double-stranded DNA, terminally redundant and circularly permuted.

okay okay (none / 1) (#2)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:28:44 AM EST

I'll write some mention of you into it...let me get another drink first though.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
I'll need a paragraph and some hawt linx (none / 1) (#3)
by Egil Skallagrimson on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:34:23 AM EST


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Enterobacteria phage T2 is a virulent bacteriophage of the T4-like viruses genus, in the family Myoviridae. It infects E. coli and is the best known of the T-even phages. Its virion contains linear double-stranded DNA, terminally redundant and circularly permuted.
[ Parent ]

I chose the most tasteful viking image on teh net (2.50 / 2) (#8)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 12:29:21 PM EST

I think it rulez.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
I'll get you some more glue and a new stapler (2.00 / 2) (#4)
by dakini on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:52:43 AM EST

so you can continue to "hold" K5 together.

" May your vision be clear, your heart strong, and may you always follow your dreams."
[ Parent ]
All I need are my words and an undying sense of (2.33 / 3) (#6)
by Egil Skallagrimson on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:57:54 AM EST

entitlement.

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Enterobacteria phage T2 is a virulent bacteriophage of the T4-like viruses genus, in the family Myoviridae. It infects E. coli and is the best known of the T-even phages. Its virion contains linear double-stranded DNA, terminally redundant and circularly permuted.
[ Parent ]

the only one screwing it nicely (2.00 / 2) (#20)
by sye on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 01:24:35 PM EST


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
commentary - For a better sye@K5
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ripple me ~~> ~allthingsgo: gateway to Garden of Perfect Brightess in CNY/BTC/LTC/DRK
rubbing u ~~> ~procrasti: getaway to HE'LL
Hey! at least he was in a stable relationship. - procrasti
enter K5 via Blastar.in
[ Parent ]

Yes, that too (2.00 / 2) (#22)
by Egil Skallagrimson on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 01:28:39 PM EST


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Enterobacteria phage T2 is a virulent bacteriophage of the T4-like viruses genus, in the family Myoviridae. It infects E. coli and is the best known of the T-even phages. Its virion contains linear double-stranded DNA, terminally redundant and circularly permuted.
[ Parent ]

-1: not enough baldrson (3.00 / 3) (#5)
by GhostOfTiber on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:53:03 AM EST

My four:
  1.  Try to write something that it's complete hyperbole and submit it to the queue.  Think of it like Wikipedia's NPOV rule.  NPOV articles can stimulate discussion through a factual framework.  Biased crap like "death to Israel" and "why Jews did WTC" and "The Gold Economy:  Using Jew Fillings as Money" don't make for discussion since people either buy the premise of the article or they do not.  
  2.  kill blog-mirrors (this means heathlander, etc).  Being a mirror of blogspot only improves blogspots google pagerank because we're linking to them, not the other way around.  Or, require blog-mirroring users (who essencially contribute nothing) to require mutual linking.  IE:  My content appears on both my blog and K5, but I don't see a need to pimp it (it's in my profile) and my blog hosts much more local content than I post on K5.
  3.  Kill the diary section.  Force people to actually submit stuff.
  4.  Allow images, or at least graphs and charts, in stories.  We can vote down goatse, and we're all old enough to think it's funny.

[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne

kill the diary section (2.66 / 3) (#7)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 12:19:59 PM EST

you kill the soul of K5.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
eh, maybe (none / 1) (#9)
by GhostOfTiber on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 12:31:40 PM EST

I mean, I understand the diary section lets people who aren't interested in submitting longish articles contribute something tO k5, but I can't help but feel like this also encourages people who might be on the cusp of writing something just shit out their ideas in smaller parcel to the diary section.

Although I understand I may be taking the Kueue way too seriously.  :P

[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne
[ Parent ]

it needs to be both (2.85 / 7) (#11)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 12:39:06 PM EST

but teh ghetto is where things happen and null0s get vetted/indoctrinated into K5ism. On instructional grounds alone it's essential. The other sites think we're elitist because of it, but it's really what sets K5 apart...And plus, many good articles do start out there, sounding them out first and such.

I think the admins need to be changed myself, since they hardly ever come around except to anonymize people. Seems the last trollocaust cut deeply into our user base.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
what other sites? (2.50 / 2) (#19)
by GhostOfTiber on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 01:16:39 PM EST

I nominate you to the title of "Rusty"

[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne
[ Parent ]

clix teh slashdawt link (2.66 / 3) (#55)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 05:41:23 PM EST

wherein CroMagnon says we're elitist asshats.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
Of COURSE we're elitist (2.80 / 5) (#127)
by BottleRocket on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 07:27:26 PM EST

We're better than other people.

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Yes I do download [child pornography], but I don't keep it any longer than I need to, so it can yield insight as to how to find more. --MDC
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$B R Σ III$

[ Parent ]

And those who aren't have learned to shut up (nt) (none / 1) (#145)
by walk on Tue May 01, 2007 at 11:13:22 PM EST


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"Walker, there is no road, the road is made by walking"
- Spanish poet Machado exiled by General Franco
[ Parent ]
Nutshell of above (3.00 / 4) (#92)
by ksandstr on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 02:57:09 AM EST

  1. give the neocon brigade veto power over what goes and what doesn't go on K5.
  2. also, we want to turn K5 into a wasteland of gun porn.
  3. or else.


Fin.
[ Parent ]
trollolize China (2.66 / 6) (#10)
by wiredog on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 12:34:38 PM EST

Should be "trollerize".

Maybe it's time for a "Time To Boycott The Peoples Republic of China" FP article. Must be sure to mention Taiwan as "The Real China" and reference PRC Human Rights Violations and Greenhouse Gas Emissions.

The idea of a global village is wrong, it's more like a gazillion pub bars.
Phage

that's been done (2.50 / 4) (#12)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 12:43:02 PM EST

I'm working on an article about the repression of the Falun Dafa organization and organ harvesting though...What d'ya think?

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
Oooh! Sounds good! (3.00 / 2) (#18)
by wiredog on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 01:10:17 PM EST

Maybe we can get k5 banned in the PRC! That should get us back on the front page at slashdot!

The idea of a global village is wrong, it's more like a gazillion pub bars.
Phage
[ Parent ]

"K5: banned in the PRC but never dead." (2.33 / 3) (#53)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 05:34:03 PM EST

This should be our motto. Btw, everything is always already banned on teh PRCnet.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
trollolize is perfect. (2.50 / 2) (#113)
by tetsuwan on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 11:05:08 AM EST


Njal's Saga: Just like Romeo & Juliet without the romance
[ Parent ]

nostalgiaphile confirms: K5 is dying (2.00 / 9) (#13)
by kitten on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 12:43:52 PM EST

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Kuro5hin community when nostalgiaphile confirmed that Kuro5hin market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all websites. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Kuro5hin has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Kuro5hin is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
mirrorshades radio - darkwave, synthpop, industrial, futurepop.
did you see link 3? (none / 1) (#15)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 12:56:19 PM EST

and yes, this is merely a few arbitrary suggestions for saving it. It is worth saving isn't it?

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
GO BEARS! (3.00 / 4) (#84)
by Peahippo on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 12:07:59 AM EST

My god! K5 is crashing! My poor portfolio! SELL! SELL! SELL!


[ Parent ]
it's corroding... heh. [n/t] (none / 0) (#150)
by haflinger on Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 07:36:43 PM EST



Did people from the future send George Carlin back in time to save rusty and K5? - leviramsey
[ Parent ]
trolling is more passé than cyberpunk or dinosaurs (2.80 / 5) (#17)
by youth pastor on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 01:08:25 PM EST



Yer pass-gay (1.75 / 4) (#28)
by Egil Skallagrimson on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:23:06 PM EST


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Enterobacteria phage T2 is a virulent bacteriophage of the T4-like viruses genus, in the family Myoviridae. It infects E. coli and is the best known of the T-even phages. Its virion contains linear double-stranded DNA, terminally redundant and circularly permuted.
[ Parent ]

dinosaurs used to be cool in the 80s (2.50 / 2) (#30)
by youth pastor on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:34:41 PM EST

they're still cooler than canadians.

[ Parent ]
We are pretty boring. nt. (none / 1) (#67)
by spooked on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 08:16:26 PM EST



Seriously.
[ Parent ]
Who wants to be cool when you can be metal? (1.00 / 2) (#106)
by Egil Skallagrimson on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 07:14:14 AM EST


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Enterobacteria phage T2 is a virulent bacteriophage of the T4-like viruses genus, in the family Myoviridae. It infects E. coli and is the best known of the T-even phages. Its virion contains linear double-stranded DNA, terminally redundant and circularly permuted.
[ Parent ]

Think of the talent that used to be here (2.66 / 3) (#21)
by Kiss the Blade on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 01:28:02 PM EST

Solid contributers all - the ubus, the robotslaves, the streetlawyers - and all forced to slink away, tails between their legs, to some other happy site. All that is needed is a friendlier attitude. I blame people like localroger and trhurler for using reason with them, forcing them to deal with reality.

Additionally I think this site is a bit old fashioned nowadays. There's a certain trend in the internets - as time goes on, those sites that allow you to naval gaze a bit more tend to triumph over those that don't. Hence slashdot and k5 triumphed over usenet, and then early blogging sites like blogster and crooked timber triumphed over k5, and now sites like myspace, friendster, orkut and youtube have upped the ante even more.

To reclaim the frontier, k5 needs to allow even more naval gazing. Make diaries the whole point of the site! Allow flash videos, or at least youtube hotlinked vids, and fancy social networking. Pack it to the gills with AJAXy features too.

Then k5 will be king again.

KTB:Lover, Poet, Artiste, Aesthete, Programmer.
There is no contradiction.

Yeah, friendlier (2.90 / 10) (#23)
by ubu on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 01:34:37 PM EST

I got scared away by how mean everybody was.
--
As good old software hats say - "You are in very safe hands, if you are using CVS !!!"
[ Parent ]
I like boats too. (2.85 / 7) (#25)
by grargrargrar on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 01:50:38 PM EST

Also: ----->HUSI.

[ Parent ]
but purists will agree (3.00 / 4) (#60)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 06:15:32 PM EST

the "clean" look of K5 remains its saving grace, and by eternally failing to be tacky it maintains its dignity.

Diaries aren't the point of the site, but they are a strong virtue, and I personally think that it's pretty damn cool that you could literally spend days reading thru some users' lives in the ghetto over the past several years (e.g., LilDeb or even Egil if you have a strong stomach).

No the fundamental problem is that anonymization is a crock of shit, and non-democratic (unlike the rest of the site).

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
We need more contents! (2.00 / 3) (#26)
by United Fools on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:01:44 PM EST

We have a source of contents, a golden treasure, here on K5, that we are not utilizing. We have so much material that did not pass the voting stage and went waste!

We shall make them visible to the world, in a different section perhaps, but we should publish them!

We are united, we are fools, and we are America!

I agree with the fool (none / 1) (#31)
by sudogeek on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:39:52 PM EST

Mutliple other users have suggested it but why not have a function where stories which dumped are posted to the diaries, perserving the comments and continuing the comment activity.

There's a sucker born every minute, and you're an hour's worth.
[ Parent ]
you're talking about this story (none / 1) (#54)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 05:39:45 PM EST

aren't yuo? so you think it's gonna get dumped and all these snarky comments get lost to the world forever, eh? Srsly, yer probly right...and I guess this vote to "dump post as diary" ("-1, Diary") sounds good, insofar as it makes the diary ghetto seem like a cesspool where stuff gets flushed to.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
i love k5, but it's fundamentally broke (2.70 / 10) (#27)
by circletimessquare on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:22:58 PM EST

a healthy site has healthy discussion, and unfortunately, getting to the front page is dominated by ideology, not discussion potential

if i write a story on say, abortion, and half agree with what i say, and half don't, but it generates a buttload of comments, it will still peter out and get hidden after days of voting at +2, or -3, or whatever, all because of ideology, even with like 500 comments underneath it

in fact, i vote "correctly" and a few others here do to: i can absolutely loathe what somewone writes, but if it moves me to comment, i will +1 fp it, for the sake of the discussion. unfortunately, very few here abide by this sort of virtuous voting. and who suffers? k5 suffers. it's potential is parmanently hamstrung

this won't stop me from coming to k5, but in november of 2006 i wrote a story exactly like what i described above and decided that k5 was forever broke in my eyes because of this

but don't worry about it, deep inside my troll lab, i'm cooking up a better site

i've gotten a lot of the comment mechanics written already, now i just need a month off from fucking work and it will be complete... grumble


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

for your site to be a success, you will have to (none / 1) (#29)
by insomnyuk on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:34:35 PM EST

reveal your true identity. After all, the reason K5 has lasted is the trust based on that which is Rusty Foster, etc.

---
"There is only one honest impulse at the bottom of Puritanism, and that is the impulse to punish the man with a superior capacity for happiness." - H.L. Mencken
[ Parent ]
i have no problem revealing my identity (none / 1) (#33)
by circletimessquare on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:50:02 PM EST

to a bunch of charming normal likeable people

do you know such a group of people that would inhabit such a site?

remind yourself what prank had rusty close off new user registration

then ask yourself maybe anonymity is better

this site is populated by pure assholes. i am such an asshole myself, and i would never do anything about or care about anyone's real life persona, but most of the assholes here, that's fair game to them.... assholes

besides, who the fuck cares who i am? i have one life, online, and one life, off line, why do they have to be connected? what do they have to do with each other?

asak yourself: why is it so important to know who i really am? it's not. cts only exists online, the real me is nothing like cts, and i prefer to keep them separate

of course, i'm making a movie, and therefore the real me WILL come out in time, and exactly the type of assholes who care about this sort of thing will make themselves known, and start involving the real me in with the online me

the anonymity here allows me to express myself in ways i can't in real life. i prefer it that way. of course, some day, that will come to an end, unfortunately, and attract exactly the type of losers who delight in the connection. i understand the day is coming when my real life and onine identities will be connected. i'm just not sure what i will do when that day comes, as anonymity is part of the fuel that attracts me here

maybe i'll just shrug and get over it and nothing will change about the online me... or maybe i'll never post again. i just don't know yet

my assholeness ends at the keyboard. other people? not so much, they're 100% asshole all the way through. online, who cares if you are an asshole. offline, it really matters. anonymity rules, when it goes, i'll be sad


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

given how you treated my ruger article (none / 1) (#32)
by GhostOfTiber on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:44:06 PM EST

I'm suprised you of all people are bitching.

Try writing something informative, or a HOWTO, or something which isn't advocating a political or moral stance.

[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne
[ Parent ]

hey asshole (1.33 / 3) (#34)
by circletimessquare on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:52:38 PM EST

i don't know about you, but i have passions in life. i don't know how to discuss dispassionately that which i am passionate about. nor do i know how to want to write about something i have no passions in. you may be a robot, but i'm not

you gun fetishizing fuck


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

CTS is run by his emotions, news at -11 (nt) (2.66 / 3) (#37)
by GhostOfTiber on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:19:36 PM EST


[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne
[ Parent ]

you're the one who commented on the fact (1.50 / 2) (#38)
by circletimessquare on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:26:53 PM EST

do you find it strange? silly?

are you a fucking robot?


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Are there stairs in your house? PAK-CHOO-UMF (2.75 / 4) (#40)
by GhostOfTiber on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:44:37 PM EST

Sure I find it strange.  I don't masturbate to installing the latest linux kernel updates or get wood at the idea of having to install a new service on the network.  If anything I don't like to do it because it's my job and I get all the curve balls which takes the fun of discovery out of it.  I'm sure there's things you could write about which don't make you want to go sit on that big black rubber cock you've got on your computer chair at home.

However it doesn't mean everything I write needs to be passionate.  I'm mature enough that I don't feel a need to tell people if partial birth abortion is correct or tell people how to interpret the second amendment.  I'm certainly mature enough to understand that there may be points I haven't considered and open to hearing other peoples views.  Yes it means running the risk of having to read some hyperbole from some idiot, but certainly you can pick topics that you shouldn't feel strongly about in the first place.  IE:  People might want to know how that horror movie is going, maybe something about lighting and film exposures and whatnot, but these are completely amoral topics.  I have no idea how you could possibly get emotionally worked up over the idea that I might use kodak instead of fujifilm.

I usually think you're manic.  The fact that you say you can't possibly avoid being impassioned about something as banal as posting on the internet means you're probably pretty immature and certainly uncreative or a willing idiot.  You don't even punctuate correctly half the time.  Do you keep a plastic bag over your keyboard to protect it from all the frothing at the mouth you do or did you buy one which is sealed?

[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne
[ Parent ]

that's a lot of words there chief (none / 1) (#41)
by circletimessquare on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:48:19 PM EST

are you feeling defensive about the accusation?

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
hardly (none / 1) (#42)
by GhostOfTiber on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:50:56 PM EST

but I do notice you haven't denied any of it.

[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne
[ Parent ]

denied any of what? (1.25 / 4) (#43)
by circletimessquare on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:52:50 PM EST

i didn't even read what you said

put it more succinctly you gun fetishizing asshole


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

TAMPAX ---> (nt) (2.00 / 5) (#45)
by GhostOfTiber on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 04:18:06 PM EST


[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne
[ Parent ]

man (2.83 / 6) (#49)
by blackbart on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 05:14:55 PM EST

you've turned out to be THE emo crybaby here at k5.

"I use this dupe for modbombing and impersonating a highly paid government worker"
- army of phred
[ Parent ]

Passion != Gilles de la Tourette syndrome (3.00 / 5) (#46)
by jsnow on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 04:48:02 PM EST

i don't know how to discuss dispassionately that which i am passionate about

Might I recommend you use the word "fuck" less often (I consider it more or less equivalent to typing in all caps, or ended every sentence with three exclamation points), and treat others with respect, whether they deserve it or not. Otherwise, you just hinder your own cause. Saying "fuck" as many times as you can is not the same thing as passion. (It may be an unfortunate side effect, but the latter can exist without the former.)

This is merely my advice. I appreciate your contributions to the site, and I don't mean to dissuade you from posting your opinions liberally (not like I could anyways).

[ Parent ]

thanks for the advice, fuckknob nt (1.50 / 4) (#57)
by circletimessquare on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 05:55:35 PM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
You're welcome. nt (2.00 / 2) (#100)
by jsnow on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 04:25:19 AM EST



[ Parent ]
Srsly (2.33 / 3) (#35)
by sudogeek on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:54:07 PM EST

When I first started reading k5 (2003?), the comments and the high quality of the trolling was what kept me coming back anonymously until the users were opened again (2005?).

While the comments still make me laugh and the petty wars that erupt are entertaining enough, I wonder if newer authors get k5. Some of the articles are actually pretty highbrow. We need more trollbait on the FP. And we all need to promote those topics that trigger an active discussion.

There's a sucker born every minute, and you're an hour's worth.
[ Parent ]

i would like to oblige and provide such articles (1.50 / 2) (#36)
by circletimessquare on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:58:12 PM EST

unfortunately, for ideological reasons, they get voted down

therefore instead i would like to provide you with a site, call it k5 2.0, where quantity of discussion, rather than voting, determines fp status

please join me there when i finish sometime in oh... 2034, considering the free time i have to finish writing the thing ;-(


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

cts (2.60 / 5) (#48)
by Sgt York on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 05:06:00 PM EST

If you are referring to your gun law stories, those weren't voted down because of ideology. They just sucked. They were written like your comments, and not like your stories. Your stories are normally pretty good, even when you are wrong. But that was just crap. It was the Exorcism-style bile -spewing we expect from your comments, and sometimes diaries, but not stories.

Also, you posted gun stories among a dozen other gun stories, all in response to a big news event. They all just got voted down as bandwagon. Crap or not, good or not, they got voted down as bandwagon overload. Everybody read the first two or three, then just started voting them down on principle, just like US politics stories in November. Po-1itics. Gun contro-1.

Another thing...you've actually brought me around on this. I once argued that the quantity and quality of the generated discussion should not impact a story's status. But now, I think you're right. The quality and volume of the generated discussion should be a deciding factor. I say "a" deciding factor because things like HOWTO type articles often don't generate much discussion, but are fun anyway. And my stories don't generally get a lot of discussion. And we all know they rock.

There is a reason for everything. Sometimes, that reason just sucks.
[ Parent ]

dear fuckwad (none / 1) (#75)
by circletimessquare on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 10:04:59 PM EST

a lot of other gun stories got voted down besides mine, in just the time since the vt asshole did his thing with your precious guns

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
I <3U2 (none / 1) (#83)
by Sgt York on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 12:06:38 AM EST

That's why I put in all that stuff about bandwagons and people tuning out the overload of reactionary screaming.

Don't get me wrong, nobody enjoys your reactionary screaming more than me. I'm just picky about where I want to see it.

There is a reason for everything. Sometimes, that reason just sucks.
[ Parent ]

Free time? (3.00 / 2) (#66)
by vera on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 07:17:14 PM EST

I know there isn't anyone paying you to play on the internet, so why are you averse to using the time you spend commenting here toward working on your replacement of 'here'. With even 10% of that time spent in such a fashion, we might even deign to call your new place 'there'.

Get to work, soldier.

[ Parent ]

we are not ideologically against you (none / 1) (#104)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 07:10:33 AM EST

Srsly, this level paranoia is not like you--though it's an interesting development--and I bet 7/10 of your articles still make it to the FP. Aslo, while I've called you a radical moderate in the past, you AGREED w/me on that one!

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
it's not about me (1.50 / 2) (#108)
by circletimessquare on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 07:43:31 AM EST

any contentious story, ideologically: abortion, guns, iraq, etc.: the issue needs discussing, but the conclusions of the author is not to everyone's taste. so everyone comments, but half vote up, and half vote down. when a vote isn't for the conclusions of the author, or shouldn't be, but the vote should be for the necessity of discussion. so the story goes nowhere up and nowhere down with tons of comments attached. it happens to tons of stories i've seen in the queue. this observation is not about me

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
okay, true enough (3.00 / 2) (#109)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 08:29:59 AM EST

but I don't think you can expect everything to pass muster just because it has lots of comments. If it worked that way we'd have less to be proud of as Kurons. For this reason, I think, I can honestly say I've never seen junk on the FP of K5...well, a few times, but that was because I was too tired to edit it properly.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
"junk"? (1.50 / 2) (#119)
by circletimessquare on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 03:37:05 PM EST

if hundreds of people comment on it, how can it be junk?

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Easy. (none / 0) (#149)
by haflinger on Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 07:28:27 PM EST

It leads to no useful comments. Quantity != Quality.

Did people from the future send George Carlin back in time to save rusty and K5? - leviramsey
[ Parent ]
but the thing is (none / 1) (#51)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 05:28:00 PM EST

many of us have a serious investment in friendships and/or personality disorders (userids) at K5, and few of those will be willing to abandon ship this late in the voyage.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
everything dies (3.00 / 2) (#58)
by circletimessquare on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 05:58:27 PM EST

i think k5 will be around for a long time more, so there is no need to get worried

but even so, you need to accept that everything dies, eventually


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

so sayeth Lord Buddha anyways (none / 1) (#59)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 06:01:16 PM EST

I agree, but that's not what I meant--rather, I meant that what makes K5 unique is that you can actually form such dysfunctional relationships in the first place, and even maintain them over several years. Youre a great example--you'll never find so many people to hate you (and debate you) on another site, cts. Sry, that's probly not news to you.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
it's true (2.00 / 2) (#73)
by circletimessquare on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 10:02:47 PM EST

but if i lose k5, i lose the likes of baldrson and peahippo

so, in the larger scheme of things, i'm not really losing that much

don't overvalue the wonder of connecting mentally with retards


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

this, coming from a tard? (1.66 / 3) (#76)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 10:50:57 PM EST

Yeah, okay, but never misunderestimate how much K5 values yer stupid ass either. You're more of a K5 Engine than Egil or just about anyone is, and we could probly stand to have about 3 more CTSes around her.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
So You Think (2.50 / 2) (#81)
by Peahippo on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:34:12 PM EST

Losing Peahippo would be like losing a kidney or a lung. Sure, when things are calm, everything seems normal and OK, but once you start exercising, you start to see what you're missing. Peahippo is the missing link, and the vital component. And ... he's modest, too!

Since you're supremely good at delusion (for yourself and upon others), I don't bet that you'll admit to all that.


[ Parent ]
i would have prefered baldrson to answer the claim (none / 1) (#82)
by circletimessquare on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:39:39 PM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Comment potential is one thing (2.50 / 4) (#71)
by regeya on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 08:52:32 PM EST

Good writing is another.

Not that I'm even a writer (let alone a good one) but a mentally retarded chimp might be able to come up with comment-worthy stories. Not everything needs to generate heated debate, does it?

[ yokelpunk | kuro5hin diary ]
[ Parent ]

good wiritng means shit, comment potential is king (1.66 / 3) (#72)
by circletimessquare on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 10:00:05 PM EST

if it doesn't provoke a reaction, whatever is written, in whatever format, is worth zero

if something provokes a reaction, whatever is written, in whatever format, it has value

what is the whole point of communication but to provoke your fellow dumb violent naked apes to thought and action?

i'd much rather be on a site salted with stupid violent content that gets people talking, than some dead placid site full of gorgeously written, absolutely banal snore inducements

so you're 100% wrong


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Taking your algorithm to its final conclusion, (3.00 / 4) (#85)
by debillitatus on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 12:41:18 AM EST

So what you're saying is that Britney Spears' labia splashed all over the tabloids has more inherent worth than, say, Kierkegaard?

Damn you and your daily doubles, you brigand!
[ Parent ]

yes, 100% (2.00 / 3) (#96)
by circletimessquare on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 03:53:51 AM EST

if people respond to something, it matters more than something people don't respond to, or respond to less. kierkegaard has a higher response rate amongst a subculture, but not amongst humanity at large. if you champion that subculture over the response of the average man, you are an elitist, and bear no influnece over the common man, nor hsaould you think you do. on what basis do you suggest is important to you is intrinsically more important than that which is important ot the average man? you have nothing but your own subculture to back you up, and its arbitrary standards

not that there's anything wrong with that, but i would suggest you go back to ivory tower of superior culture" and stop assuming in arrogance that what is important to your subculture is supposed to be more important than what is important to your common man

on the contrary: importance is a purely democratic function. if something is important to more people than something else, it is more important, period, end of story. human culture derives its content and importance from the middle of the bell curve, not the higher or lower end along whatever axis of supriority/ inferiority you imagine to somehow matter

i am a populist, 100%. if the common man responds to something, then whatever it is, it is important to me too. elitists can go to hell. so take your kierkegaard and go fuck yourself

and as for britney spears labia: you are confusing the low end of the bell curve with the middle of the bell curve. classic elitist mistake. you're excused, you're blindness and arrogance is typical. run along now you elisist fuck

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

explain then how, (none / 1) (#98)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 04:03:37 AM EST

despite our elitism and your populist bitching to the contrary, you remain one of the most successful authors on K5? Now, if we're really such snobs, that ought not to be the case...I think you know there's a serious disjunct between the way people talk and the way they vote on K5. In fact, I'd say that because there are so many people JUST LIKE YOU on K5 you're able to say all sorts of weird stuff and get it on the FP.

Anyway, about comments vs. good writing--I think a lot of comments too, but it's not the only criteria, cts, it's an important one sure, but not the sole benchmark for voting. Some things ARE trolls, and some are not (e.g., the excellent fiction section, which also sets K5 off from mefi and /.).

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
it's very simple (1.50 / 2) (#99)
by circletimessquare on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 04:17:32 AM EST

if something gets a response, it gets a response. period. end of story. determination of quality has just been made, and that determination has just ended

now you want to go in and qualify the type of responses. ok, fine... and what do you hope to determine? according to what arbitrary judgment is my response to comment x better than my response to comment y, therefore determining comment y is a troll and comment x is an insightful contribution? what is the criteria? it's arbitrary and therefore meaningless

a response is a response is a response. if you get someone to care about something, and respond to it, quality has just been achieved. you say that some of those responses are troll victims. ok. what's a troll? someone who gets someone to respond? how's that work- the troll has magic abilites? if he gets someone to respond to his comments, he is no better or worse than however anyone else gets a response out of an audience

how can i say this? because you deserve the content creators you respond to. if you respond to something, you get the "trolls" you deserve. the "troll" didn't point a gun at your head and force you to type a response. you have to take personal responsibility for who you respond to, and whoever you respond to, you are no better or worse than them. according to what determination can you say your response to person x is valid and your response to person y is invalid? if the person is beneath you, WHY ARE YOU RESPONDING? take personal responsibility for what gets a rise out of you

this is the only fair and impartial way to determine quality: quanitity of response. all other determiniations are arbitrary and spank of irresponsibility after the fact: "yes, you made me respond to you, but you are beneath me." no, if someone is beneath you, you should never respond in the first place. you should ignore them. but you didn't do that did you?

that's the only way to kill your "troll": ignore him. but once you respond to a "troll" you've just given them vindication and validity. so now the "troll" is all your fault. you've just given whoever wrote whatever that is "beneath" you an emotional reaction. you failed, it's your fault if you respond to that which you should not respond to, and then calling things troll/ not a troll after the fact is just revisitionist bullshit. you responded to them, the horse is out of the gate, the determination of quality is over

quality = number of responses. period, end of story. all other measurements of quality are purely arbitrary and retroactive and invalid


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

so you agree with me then? (2.50 / 2) (#101)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 04:38:15 AM EST

production levels (stories, diaries, comments) need to be dramatically increased?

Also, I think we agree about the meaning of trolls at least--and since this is the troll site par excellence, you belong here cts. Quit it with separatist talk.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
"troll site par excellence" (2.00 / 3) (#102)
by circletimessquare on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 04:57:22 AM EST

k5 has a dampening effect on that ideal: ideological voting

due to ideological voting, stories with hundreds of responses can be voted down. the point is to do away with voting such that # of responses = chance to go front page. in other words, your reponse = your vote. a better system

to get to this troll nirvana, one could wait 500 years for rusty to fundamentally change the way k5 works, as if he has the desire to do that

or, just build your own goddamn site

so that's what i am doing


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

You know... (2.00 / 2) (#139)
by debillitatus on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 04:33:30 PM EST

If it takes 300 words to say "yes", then you're not even doing a good job of convincing yourself.

Admit it, even you don't believe the tripe you wrote up there.

Damn you and your daily doubles, you brigand!
[ Parent ]

Here's something with comment potential (3.00 / 3) (#142)
by regeya on Fri Apr 27, 2007 at 01:11:30 PM EST

FUCK YOURSELF WITH A BARB-WIRE-ENCRUSTED POLE, YOU POMPOUS PRICK

Just trying to provoke discussion.

[ yokelpunk | kuro5hin diary ]
[ Parent ]

Yes, Yes, Mistress! Please, some more! (2.80 / 5) (#44)
by MichaelCrawford on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 04:04:17 PM EST

What Kuro5hin needs is stern discipline!


Looking for some free songs?


indeed, properly speaking (3.00 / 2) (#52)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 05:30:32 PM EST

we need to quit fucking around and gear up teh production levels.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
We got outtrolled (2.85 / 7) (#47)
by Sgt York on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 04:49:41 PM EST

by a lawyer chick from Arkansas. We're done. Toast.

Game over, man. GAME OVER!

There is a reason for everything. Sometimes, that reason just sucks.

shameful indeed (none / 1) (#50)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 05:24:59 PM EST

I don't want to be a Kuron anymore.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
Odds are (none / 1) (#56)
by tetsuwan on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 05:44:31 PM EST

that story would have ended up at -5 of 110 votes, and then dumped by autopost.

Njal's Saga: Just like Romeo & Juliet without the romance
[ Parent ]

Quit interesting (2.00 / 2) (#62)
by Labor Rations on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 06:37:17 PM EST

your writing seems to be that of a person suffering from schizo affective disorder. Quite run together, and stream of conscience and all of that. I like your use of pictures in with the descriptions.

If this goes to vote, +1 FP from me.

stream-of-drunken-consciousness (none / 0) (#79)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:13:52 PM EST

I refined this style through the use of Japanse whisky and a serious re-consideration of the works of Gustav Mahler and Cowboy Junkies. I'm glad you liked it.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
Note: Japanese whiskey is spelt with an 'e' (none / 0) (#88)
by spasticfraggle on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 01:55:29 AM EST

As in 'eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeurghghghhhh.......'

<flush>

--
I'm the straw that broke the camel's back!
[ Parent ]

au contraire (none / 0) (#90)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 02:40:06 AM EST

w/out an e: "Suntory Yamazaki 10 yr Single Malt Whisky," quoth the label on teh bottle.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
I havent been on K5 all that long, just over a (3.00 / 4) (#64)
by dakini on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 06:49:29 PM EST

year. I enjoy K5 and all the comments and stories. As of late though, I find that even a good story that generates a lot of discussion, both pro and con, will get voted down because of who it was written by. It seems there are various groups who "pack" together and vote more on the author then the article itself. As far as cts goes, I know I have disagreed with some of his stuff and agreed with some. I actually enjoy reading his writings.

" May your vision be clear, your heart strong, and may you always follow your dreams."
those "packs" are most likely (3.00 / 2) (#80)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:24:03 PM EST

members of a roaming dupe horde. Watch out for those, dakini.

Myself, I can't say that I've seen any sort of herd mentality at all on K5, which is actually why I've grown to like it over the years.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
you never see the groupthink from the inside (none / 1) (#86)
by anonymous-66714 on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 01:29:29 AM EST



[ Parent ]
touche (none / 1) (#89)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 02:37:12 AM EST

but as I've said repeatedly, the Sage does not obsess on other Kurons.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
he does when he's masturbating (2.00 / 2) (#94)
by anonymous-66714 on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 03:03:12 AM EST



[ Parent ]
he does not masturbate (1.00 / 2) (#95)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 03:33:40 AM EST



"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
k5 in reflects humanity shock! (none / 1) (#87)
by spasticfraggle on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 01:53:38 AM EST

News at (-)11

--
I'm the straw that broke the camel's back!
[ Parent ]
It seems like a forever already. /nt (2.75 / 4) (#91)
by ksandstr on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 02:54:36 AM EST



Fin.
[ Parent ]
Don't worry guys. (2.83 / 6) (#68)
by spooked on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 08:22:13 PM EST

I started a facebook group.

Seriously.
Oh shit, you weren't joking. $ (3.00 / 2) (#103)
by Scott Robinson on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 06:42:35 AM EST



[ Parent ]
This is why my sig is what it is. nt. (none / 1) (#130)
by spooked on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 04:47:55 AM EST



Seriously.
[ Parent ]
Clarification (3.00 / 3) (#69)
by horny smurf on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 08:23:56 PM EST

this graph is *only* diaries.

I should have indicated as much (none / 1) (#77)
by nostalgiphile on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:10:02 PM EST

Do you like your avatar, btw?

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
it's a very good likeness $ (2.50 / 2) (#107)
by horny smurf on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 07:19:32 AM EST



[ Parent ]
I promise to write at least two diaries a day! (3.00 / 2) (#70)
by insomnyuk on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 08:49:58 PM EST

I can do it.

(note: I'm an inveterate liar)

---
"There is only one honest impulse at the bottom of Puritanism, and that is the impulse to punish the man with a superior capacity for happiness." - H.L. Mencken

I support these notions (2.66 / 3) (#93)
by ksandstr on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 02:59:24 AM EST

Particularly number three. Seriously people, we can't leave "Fuck Natalee Holloway" as the sole peak of K5, can we? (by we I of course mean the lot of you. I'm uncreative by birthright.)

Fin.
Maybe I'll start diarising again (none / 1) (#110)
by nebbish on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 09:37:00 AM EST

That'll save us!

---------
Kicking someone in the head is like punching them in the foot - Bruce Lee

only if you post hirez (2.00 / 2) (#112)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 10:51:43 AM EST

of me riding your mamma like a mare with firecracker up her ass.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
What else would I write! $ (none / 0) (#114)
by nebbish on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 11:30:07 AM EST


---------
Kicking someone in the head is like punching them in the foot - Bruce Lee
[ Parent ]

let's see whatcha got then (none / 1) (#117)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 01:15:39 PM EST

post away, and especially, I was thinking, something about cross-species sexual relations.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
Hasn't K5 been dying for like five years now? (3.00 / 5) (#118)
by lonelyhobo on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 03:17:49 PM EST

on the "i'm dying" timescale it's gone from gunshot wound to the stomach to third degree burns all over the body and infection will set in in a few days to stomach cancer and now i guess this new k5 is dying timescale is the aids timescale?

K5 has teh AIDS -rn (2.66 / 3) (#124)
by Sgt York on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 05:02:37 PM EST


There is a reason for everything. Sometimes, that reason just sucks.
[ Parent ]

Acquired Internet Dipshit Syndrome? $ (none / 1) (#143)
by skyknight on Fri Apr 27, 2007 at 09:12:48 PM EST



It's not much fun at the top. I envy the common people, their hearty meals and Bruce Springsteen and voting. --SIGNOR SPAGHETTI
[ Parent ]
according to horny smurf's (none / 1) (#138)
by nostalgiphile on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 01:38:30 PM EST

data, I'd say the dying has begun to 'telescope'--check the graphs at trolltracker to see actual rate of decline.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
haha fremont troll (none / 1) (#128)
by trane on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 07:35:45 PM EST

my old buddy.

K5's already dead to me... (none / 1) (#129)
by D Jade on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 08:36:55 PM EST

... why would I save it?

You're a shitty troll, so stop pretending you have more of a life than a cool dude -- HollyHopDrive
-1, K5 Is Still Dying Once More Again (2.00 / 2) (#131)
by Corwin06 on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 05:36:07 AM EST

Didn't RTFA. What need? This has been addressed before.

(I wanted to put one link to one such "OMG K5 IS DYING" story per word : this. has. been. addressed. before. , but there is one very dead feature here : the search function.)

"and you sir, in an argument in a thread with a troll in a story no one is reading in a backwater website, you're a fucking genius
--circletimessquare
now read the article (none / 1) (#132)
by nostalgiphile on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 06:07:16 AM EST

this one has a slightly different conclusion/solution, asshat.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
Been there. done that (3.00 / 2) (#135)
by Corwin06 on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 09:25:04 AM EST

I wasn't replying very seriously...

I don't think k5 is dying. I come here mostly for the stories. The system here that stories have to be approved by standing in a long queue awaiting votes ensures that most stories are at least a little thought-out. Like blogs done more right.

Sometimes I learn things here. Localroger's Plant and Food Plant articles for one. (A dead comma key means it's more difficult to compose readable enumerations. Moreover I'm very stoned.) Oh and the absolutely mind-blowing one by Keith Henson about the origin of war : that one places his ideas (iMo) at the same order of importance as Pasteur's or Darwin's and such.

Hmm ... got carried away here. What I mean is that even though there haven't been many articles that recently there is still quite a huge archive here. I don't think there has been much people who have read them all. (Is that correct English?) So when you're bored. Go read the archive. :-)

(Question mark button is dead too.)

"and you sir, in an argument in a thread with a troll in a story no one is reading in a backwater website, you're a fucking genius
--circletimessquare
[ Parent ]
I read the archive religiously (none / 1) (#137)
by nostalgiphile on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 01:31:09 PM EST

and I'm glad you are stoned--it's always the best way to really appreciate K5. And btw, I wouldn't misunderestimate the power of a wider user pool. The problem is, in case you didn't notice it you stoner, almost all of those users are no longer active on K5. Srsly, we appreciate the comment.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
a long time ago... (3.00 / 2) (#133)
by jettero on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 08:47:59 AM EST

I used to subscribe. I forget why. I was addicted and I hit this site 19 times a day, like it was a drug. I read every article. I rarely visit here, though I still watch the RSS so I can giggle at the titles.

I think the site is already dead. The problem is really simple: Everything on the site is completely irrelevant. There's no possible way this site can compete with the fast aggregation of sites like: Del.icio.us, Spurl.net, Simpy.com, Newsvine.com Blinklist.com, Furl.net, Reddit.com, Blogmarks.net, ... blah blah blah. Hell, even stumbleupon.

The stories stay in the approval queue way too long.

Personally, I think it might help if there were no fundamental difference between approved and unapproved stories and if they just had some kind of thresholds (possibly even user configurable ones) for appearing on the various section pages or something.

Whatever. There are way too many fast ways to publish things now to be bothered with getting your writeups approved though slow approval queues like k5 has. So it'd be very difficult to attract good writers like the site used to.

It's true that nobody will read your blog, but that's kinda true here as well. Unless you're desperate to have k5 trolls read your stuff.

this isn't social bookmarking (3.00 / 3) (#134)
by tetsuwan on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 09:22:40 AM EST

None of the sites you mention are even slightly similar to K5. But I do agree that stories sit in the queue for too long.

Njal's Saga: Just like Romeo & Juliet without the romance
[ Parent ]

Don't compete with aggregators (3.00 / 2) (#136)
by thasmudyan on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 10:15:17 AM EST

Yes, K5 is not built to compete with fast news aggregators, but it doesn't have to! Its strength should be in creating content, not bookmarking stuff that lies around elsewhere.

While I agree with the general assessment in this article, it's also clear to me that provocative and trolly attention grabbing (aka. advocacy style) is not going to cut it.

Quality, quality, quality! If we only could find it in ourselves to produce genuine quality content...

[ Parent ]

Wow. (none / 0) (#140)
by CanSpice on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 10:00:52 PM EST

According to that trolltalk site I'm the 37*th oldest member of k5. I knew I've been around for a while, but I didn't know it was that long.

* In a row?

dying is living. you are alive until you are dead (none / 0) (#141)
by r1chard on Fri Apr 27, 2007 at 10:16:33 AM EST

I don't mind dying. Takes most people a lifetime to complete. Shit joke. Dying is a phase of life all of it's own. Strangely I find myself coming back here to K5 a bit, have on a cyclic basis found it or myself bored shit-less at some stage of my life. Well this time I am no longer bored shit-less. I'm studying philosophy and psychology definitely not bored. However each time I come back after a year of two, this time K5 really is dying. The thing is, it's not. It's you who are moving around in your life, interested by different things, not recognizing boredom. Maybe people are moving on, people stay, whatever. _R Right now, at least, I don't mind it. If it pays it's server hosting fees and excites a few people enough to run it, then it is still alive. I imagine the nice team who run it have got it pretty much down after all these years. -R

signs of death have been noted since 2003 (none / 1) (#144)
by razzmataz on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 09:53:34 AM EST

If you want to get k5 back into shape, start getting some of the old school people that posted stories from back in 2000-2001.  Those days were the heyday of k5.


-- I love the smell of fdisk in the morning...
Schedule a regular laundry day, (3.00 / 2) (#146)
by postDigital on Fri May 04, 2007 at 05:46:10 AM EST

and never ever put on dirty socks which were all stuck together when you pulled them from the hamper.

The intent for my muse will probably be meat for Miss_ConScrew, but transgendered socks need nourishment too, even if falsely tagged through a process of eyeDentMisFixation. Here's a clue though: It ain't about trolling; because as Playtoe knows, trolling without context is neutral. Trolling is sphere music clarity looping in my head; a construct of Muzak's Ideal of the mind, unable to exist in the real. Sock-puppetry is not trolling though. It is masturbatory spitefulness by the vainglorious, who are also inept. I am antisock, and have always been attracted to antiSock divinations. The product from socks is often naught but a wanker's derivative meat on a string derogation, triggered by a compulsive defense mechanism.

Choose one or a combination of the following, and then go to the mirror:

  • Denial
  • Projection
  • Suppression
  • Repression
  • Compensation
  • Displacement
  • Regression
  • Sublimation
  • Rationalization
  • Undoing
  • Dissociation

For many, it's just too scary contemplating who or what is at the end of that jerking chain attached to the ring in their nose.

There is dirty sock evidence which can be found; even an admin admission to acceptability. There are also confessions, transparency in Pseudo nomenclature, which ironically, post broken promises. Socks have made unveiled threats, and engaged in flights of fantasy. They are from the past, and exist in the present. Is there a quantifiable difference between sock_power factored in threes or in fives? What is implied by a poster adding heft to a vacuous threat with a claim of beingness as a syndicator?

Kuro5hin is not in eminent danger of collapsing. I've never had much use for crack of doom theories anyway; instead have a strong predilection for getting up at the crack of Dawn. Even though Kuro5hin is not in mortal danger, it does show symptoms of impuissance. My prognosis is that if the site's sock voluminosity always trends upwards, and does not follow a more natural cyclic frequency, it will eventually lead to a criticality of mass departures, concomitant with n00Bs paucity.



why not just lower the threshold for an article (none / 1) (#147)
by ProfessorBooty on Wed May 09, 2007 at 03:10:35 PM EST

why not lower the threshold for an article to be posted to 15 or so.

in terms of reading interesting stories/comments, regardless of the quality of the original story they disapear to quickly if it doesnt conform to idealogical norms of the group.

People still care about this? (none / 1) (#148)
by Gloria Privatus on Thu May 10, 2007 at 06:26:44 PM EST

Get a life, dude. Seriously. It's time.

--
Blaine, Blaine, James G. Blaine, The Continental Liar from the State of Maine.

Nah. (none / 0) (#151)
by haflinger on Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 07:43:31 PM EST

Nearly everybody here is wrong. I'm an oldtimer who went through a few months of being a total k5 addict a few years back, and I keep on checking out the old haunt to see what's new.

Nothing is new, except that the trolls are a little smarter now and there are fewer women on the site.

But that's probably just because I'm not around so much. :) Anyway: if more people would rate stuff like me, the problems would disappear. Or so I think.

Did people from the future send George Carlin back in time to save rusty and K5? - leviramsey

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