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A Simple Formula for the Rebirth of Kuro5hin

By circletimessquare in Meta
Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 04:28:32 AM EST
Tags: scoop, -b-tards (all tags)
Scoop

The basic problem with Kuro5hin is the mindless, pointless negativity here. It is hard to devote time and energy to writing a good front page story when it is greeted by "LOL WUT?" and a -1. As such, the front page is gradually devolving into a ghost town, or self-satisfied smug navel gazing about Kuro5hin itself rather than any real inherently interesting topics (which makes this story hypocritical, but the idea is to remove the conditions which make this story necessary).


I was recently over at Daily Kos for the first time in months, looking for presidential coverage, and noticed something interesting. Daily Kos is perhaps the most prominent of the scoop engine powered sites. Go there, click on any subject matter with any large amount of comments, such as this one, and notice how all of the comments only sport a positive score, no negative scores, even though the scoring widget still indicates a negative value is possible.

This belies the fact that voting negatively was built into the code, but was disabled at a later point. This is obviously due to a realization at Daily Kos at some point that they were empowering the kind of mindless negativity that would destroy their site, the kind of mindless negativity that has already destroyed this site. Why is Kuro5hin not as successful as Slashdot, or Digg, or Fark, or even Daily Kos? Why is this site devolving? Why is the user base shrinking, where are the excellent front page stories of yore?

Simply because the mindless negativity here runs unchecked. Kuro5hin does not have the hardcore hard working (and paid) admins weeding out such trash as they do on other sites, and so here the ghetto has taken over, due to a flaw in the system. Back to 4chan with you, where /b/tards belong, you mindless legions. K5 has simply become a decrepit backwater where /b/tards who don't know how to use Microsoft Paint congregate.

So, the solution is simple enough, since it is a solution that a scoop engine has already deployed elsewhere. And as a programmer myself, I recognize that the solution is infinitely easier: it involves disabling and destroying code. This is orders of magnitude simpler to implement than writing new code.

So I call upon our benevolent dictator, Rusty Foster, to disable -1 votes in stories. As for grading comments, you once had a spread of 5 possible votes that you reduced to 3 in the past, correct?  Well, how about you reduce that 1? Anyone else reading this story remember that ancient era of "high five"? Remember the amount of comments a story would get? Remember the quality of the front page stories then?

You can simply approve of a comment, or do nothing at all. You can either vote +1 for a story, or do nothing at all. A new, higher threshold for going section or front page is needed as well of course, but that is all. Such simple changes disempowers the mindlessly negative. A very simple, effective solution for reviving our community. Which at this point, is at last gasp.

For those of you still reading who like the way Kuro5hin is now, comment "LOL WUT?" and vote -1. For most of you who would do that though, you've already voted -1 and commented "LOL WUT?", and you've never read these words, and you never will.

And soon, no one ever will.

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A Simple Formula for the Rebirth of Kuro5hin | 136 comments (121 topical, 15 editorial, 0 hidden)
er? (1.50 / 2) (#6)
by boxed on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 04:16:30 PM EST

Isn't part of the problem this entire meme about how k5 is "dying"? You know, despite the obvious non-validity of the meme given that we're still here debating it. The rumors of k5s demise are vastly exaggerated.

it's dying. proof: (1.50 / 2) (#11)
by circletimessquare on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 04:36:01 PM EST

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/kuro5hin.org


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
a few months of data? (none / 1) (#22)
by boxed on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:34:48 PM EST

I'd like to see some longer data sets...

[ Parent ]
shit, they used to do that (none / 1) (#27)
by circletimessquare on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:31:35 PM EST

what the fuck alexa?

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
So, what does it mean that alexa (none / 0) (#68)
by Calalily on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:18:30 PM EST

has those traffic ranks such as Russia 149,997 and China 159,588? If you add all the countries it about one million of course I don't know the time line of the trafficking.

We are maggots tunneling through a rotting corpse. Parent ]
If diaries are correlated to stories (none / 0) (#111)
by Scrymarch on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 07:53:07 PM EST

http://k5.trolltrack.com/stats.php

[ Parent ]
No, you're wrong (2.76 / 13) (#7)
by GhostOfTiber on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 04:21:06 PM EST

And I'll tell you why.

There's nothing to attract new people to write new stuff and there's nothing to motivate old users to post new stuff to the queue.

I'm not motivated to post stuff to the queue, for instance, because I find it easier to serialize entries into my diary. So to motivate old users to post new content to the queue, we would need to kill the diary section. dKos, for instance, is all diary section. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but more of a format preference.

The new users thing is because no-one wants to pay $5 for myspace. Make the site free again, and add ratings to diaries.

Then, take the users who have posted stuff to the queue, and gotten it at least to section, and let their votes count for more in both the diary and the queue. This will stratify the users, but make this fade after a month or so. This provides incentive to post to the queue for both older users to keep submitting and diary sectioners to "upgrade".

[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne

OMG (2.40 / 5) (#8)
by Enlarged to Show Texture on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 04:32:45 PM EST

You actually posted an intelligent and insightful remarks about the state of this site. IHBT.


"Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do." -- Isaac Asimov
[ Parent ]
yeah, but I'll probably waste my mod points (2.25 / 4) (#12)
by GhostOfTiber on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 04:50:38 PM EST

talking about hitler.

[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne
[ Parent ]

the diary ghetto and the front page can coexist (2.25 / 4) (#9)
by circletimessquare on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 04:33:36 PM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
right, but it's a question of economics (2.50 / 6) (#13)
by GhostOfTiber on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 04:56:10 PM EST

people post to dKos because their soapbox stands entirely on the pure hatred of those dirty dirty neocons. It works so well because they're hating something ambiguous and vague - it's a fantastic, Orwellian system. Even if the democrats took a majority in every office, there would still be a minority of these 'neocon' boogeymen to go after, and if the Democrats took 100% of every office the community would turn on itself and start accusing people of switching parties or whatever. It'll just go on forever and make Marcos tons of money Rusty is missing out on.

So how should Rusty make tons of money and how could he make the site competitive? Have the diaries be rateable. Like you pointed out, there's no shortage of crap content flowing around the diary section, and if you denied negative ratings to diaries (no "hidden diary", but maybe a user-configurable view threshold) the ghetto would persist and continue to publish unabated. The minority would hold more power, being the content posters to the queue, but you really could kill stories in the queue which weren't risked in the diary section. It would add an interesting dynamic to the site while still providing a carrot-on-a-stick for users to post to each. And of course, with the users working against one another, it dovetails well into the K5 competitive nature.

[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne
[ Parent ]

this is a wonderful alternative vision (2.00 / 3) (#15)
by circletimessquare on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 05:15:42 PM EST

sort of a nongraphical b

however, my nirvana is about the fantasy of returning to a glorious past, while yours holds out the fantasy of a utopian future

and since that makes me the neocon archetype and you the hippie archetype in this ideological space, all i have to do is grab my gun and shoot you in the face while you go "whoa dude, peace and love" and i win out thataways

;-)


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

TALK ABOUT ROLE REVERSAL (nt) (2.25 / 4) (#17)
by GhostOfTiber on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 05:21:10 PM EST


[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne
[ Parent ]

wtf are you talking about? (3.00 / 2) (#48)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 11:53:25 PM EST

Competitive? Surely you don't think of yourself as competing with me when you write articles about beer? I only post here for my own amusement, and competition figures into it not one jot... To paraphrase Master Lao: "No one competes with the Sage, because the Sage competes with no one."

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
SAGE (none / 0) (#64)
by circletimessquare on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 11:26:32 AM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Barely (none / 1) (#59)
by tdillo on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 10:05:03 AM EST

Hasn't the ghetto and the front page Always been at war?

BTW Didn't this idea come up already?
"It's time to eliminate negative voting in the queue"

The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.[ Parent ]

the ghetto can riot (2.00 / 2) (#62)
by circletimessquare on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 11:25:40 AM EST

we send in our police and bash heads until things quiet down

standard operating procedure


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

DISCOURAGE (none / 0) (#93)
by Zombie Schrodingers Cat on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 07:56:40 PM EST

your comment is racist, t just proves you have a low social IQ

[ Parent ]
but compared to previous yrs at K5 (none / 1) (#46)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 11:45:22 PM EST

the "active" posters (CTS, Delirium, Quantum, MC, Liar, yourself, and about 3-10 others) probably post more than they should because no one else is posting and think "man, I want to see K5 discussing interesting shit for a change." That only works toward quality content if you have a lot of active posters...if not, you just get the same types of interesting shit from the same people more often.

Your suggestion is too hierarchical and "stratifying" users will only kill the site even faster if people start to think this is some kind of competition.

Again, all K5 needs is a set of regular admins who care about the site and no $5. It ain't that complicated really.

j1mmy for Admin in 2008!!

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]

eh, go look at dKos for that rebuttal (3.00 / 3) (#57)
by GhostOfTiber on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 08:45:55 AM EST

The signal to noise ratio there is terrible.

I personally like the diary rating system because if you do have users who you find post interesting diaries, it gives them a bit more feedback. EG: Beeguy posting about bees - interesting. Beeguy talking about how he sucks as badminton, VOTE IT DOWN.

I'm on the fence about the admin thing, when it happens rusty cleans it up (eventually), and it doesn't really bring the site down like it did back in 2000(?) when there was actually an announcement about NIWS(?) in Linux Magazine's web format.

[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne
[ Parent ]

dKos is TWO diary sections (none / 0) (#108)
by pdrap on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:02:35 AM EST

The lower part is where all diaries appear. The upper part is where diaries that were recommended hang around for a while.

As a result, everyone writes diaries with the expectation that it will be read by a few people. But if it's good, it'll get picked up and put into the recommended section.

It keeps the content on the site changing. Here, the main page stays the same for days or weeks at a time. That's the problem right there. The whole process of moving stories through editing is keeping the number of stories too low.

[ Parent ]

Good points all, but (none / 0) (#109)
by tweet on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 02:09:39 PM EST

'gotten' isn't a word.

_______________________________________________
Not everything in black and white makes sense.

[ Parent ]

Rusty, please fix your site. (2.33 / 6) (#10)
by infernalmajesty on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 04:35:24 PM EST

You have to.

Also: -1

I [...] hit submit [...,] repeating a rookie mistake. Oh well. - Kaki Nix Sain

Hypocrite (none / 1) (#14)
by alba on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 05:12:39 PM EST

Some people zero-out comments, others spew out insults. Same effect, just different style.

What do you expect from remarks like "Back to 4chan with you, where /b/tards belong, you mindless legions."



completely different effect and style (none / 1) (#16)
by circletimessquare on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 05:19:09 PM EST

ask anyone if they would rather be loved, hated, or ignored, and everyone would rather be loved, and they would choose to be hated if they couldn't be loved

but no one wants ot be ignored

social negativity is something to go on. asocial negativity is simply death

and thats what asocial negative voting is: it destroys the community, because it convinces people to leave and seek out interaction elsewhere

i would much rather be insulted than ignored. as would you, if you had any intellectual honesty in your post


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

while that may be true for you and I (none / 1) (#53)
by Morally Inflexible on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:03:02 AM EST

within the context of discussions on the internet, but not everyone is quite so narcissistic. Many people would rather be ignored than insulted.

even people like us obviously prefer to be ignored rather than hated by entities who hate with force rather than words.

[ Parent ]

psychologically impossible (none / 0) (#61)
by circletimessquare on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 11:23:12 AM EST

all social animals require interaction, and are stressed when ignored


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
There are many lurkers who choose (none / 1) (#69)
by Calalily on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:33:40 PM EST

to read and not comment or contribute. I think  Rusty should add a feature that counts how may views a diary or story gets which would be a passive way to calculate what people find interesting. That also serves the purpose for the poster to see if he is being "ignored" loved or hated by the viewing population. Low views; The posters have to step their game up a notch.

We are maggots tunneling through a rotting corpse. Parent ]
Ma, he's doing it again! (none / 1) (#55)
by alba on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 04:36:27 AM EST

i would much rather be insulted than ignored. as would you, if you had any intellectual honesty in your post

Stephen Hawking's performance in freestyle battling is for sure subpar. But then dissing is just entertainment, not a method of scientific advance.



[ Parent ]
I happen to like unchecked negativity (2.25 / 4) (#18)
by BottleRocket on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:00:17 PM EST

lol whut -1


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$B R Σ III$

yes, what is needed is MOAR (3.00 / 2) (#50)
by nostalgiphile on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 12:05:32 AM EST

k5 will be back on course when the queue is slap full of high quality negativity.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
nice idea and i voted +1 (2.00 / 3) (#19)
by channel on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:13:23 PM EST

but you have to realize that Serious, Well-Written Articles on Matters of Substance are usually pretty boring.

Marriage is a divine rite. It was part of God's design when He created man. - Royal Martyr Empress Alexandra Fedorovna.
yes, serious==boring, but well-written!=serious (1.50 / 2) (#20)
by circletimessquare on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:14:37 PM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
-1, TRASH THIS SHIT (1.00 / 3) (#21)
by lostincali on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:26:39 PM EST


"The least busy day [at McDonalds] is Monday, and then sales increase throughout the week, I guess as enthusiasm for life dwindles."

Dump it! (-1) (2.57 / 7) (#24)
by gr3y on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:57:59 PM EST

When people disagree with you, you write that they are "a retard" or "retarded", like a child:

But other people aren't responsible for how you ultimately choose to perceive them, or respond to them. Your plan will not eliminate "mindless, pointless negativity", because you're a source of it:

Nice try, though.

I am a disruptive technology.

you're retarded (1.66 / 6) (#26)
by circletimessquare on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:30:30 PM EST

given a choice betwen love hate, and silence, everyone chooses love. but they also choose to be hated rather than ignored. its not the same thing, my insults, as voting -1

you retard


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Whatever. (none / 1) (#32)
by gr3y on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:56:31 PM EST

Just because some self-indulgent Internet monkey wants to fling his meta-masturbatory diarrhea onto the front page doesn't mean it should be allowed, or tolerated.

I imagine Crispin Glover delivering your entire response: "given a choice betwen love hate, and silence, everyone chooses love. but they also choose to be hated rather than ignored. its not the same thing, my insults, as voting -1".

Poetic, but delivered in the same tepid, breathless, and pathetic voice as George McFly's: "I'm your density."

And you spelled "between" wrong. There's a button labeled "Check spelling" that does all the work for you. It takes all of five seconds to click on it, fucktard.

Let's not even start with your failures of grammar, syntax, and apparent inability to reach the "shift" key.

Nothing follows.

I am a disruptive technology.
[ Parent ]

and what is being flung on k5 now? (none / 1) (#34)
by circletimessquare on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:19:56 PM EST

if what i am saying means meta-masturbatory diarrhea on the front page, what the hell is on there now and how would you describe it?

i'm proposing to GET RID OF meta-masturbatory diarrhea you fucking tard

LIKE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW

fucking moron

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Rusty is like a kid who hates his pet guinea pig (2.70 / 10) (#29)
by livus on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:58:14 PM EST

but doesn't want to admit it.

So he keeps it locked in its stuffy little cage and doesn't feed it or clean it out as often as he should.

It's not deliberate cruelty, more that he j ust can't bear to look into its goofy, rabid little eyes.  

But subconsciously he hopes one day he'll come out to the shed and we it will be lying there dead.

Yes, this is about the $5 thing. (It's not the money keeping people away, it's the perceived risk of giving your credit card number to a site that has this kind of userbase)

+1 for generating Tiber's comment alone.

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HIREZ substitute.
be concrete asshole, or shut up. - CTS
I guess I skipped school or something to drink on the internet? - lonelyhobo
I'd like to hope that any impression you got about us from internet forums was incorrect. - debillitatus
I consider myself trolled more or less just by visiting the site. HollyHopDrive

Rusty's like a kid forgot he owns a pet guinea pig (2.40 / 5) (#40)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 10:27:53 PM EST

and goes down to the basement to feed it only when his other toys (yacht, bathroom repairs) break.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
you know, I had guinea pigs (none / 0) (#87)
by livus on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 05:33:26 PM EST

when I was about 4. We released them into an apple orchard and they lived there for years. I think our cat kept their population from getting out of hand.

Why can't Rusty release us?

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HIREZ substitute.
be concrete asshole, or shut up. - CTS
I guess I skipped school or something to drink on the internet? - lonelyhobo
I'd like to hope that any impression you got about us from internet forums was incorrect. - debillitatus
I consider myself trolled more or less just by visiting the site. HollyHopDrive

[ Parent ]

maybe (none / 0) (#136)
by nononoitaintmebabe on Sat Mar 07, 2009 at 10:11:13 PM EST

he's afraid cats will get us.

[ Parent ]
trolls didn't take over (2.25 / 4) (#30)
by rhiannon on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:23:41 PM EST

trolls were always here, the content generators got tired of being treated like shit from the site admins and left for greener pastures.

Nothing will change until rusty decides that k5 is worth the significant investment it would take to get it self supporting again.

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I continued to rebuff the advances... so many advances... of so many attractive women. -MC

doesnt take significant invest, just takes a tweak (none / 1) (#36)
by circletimessquare on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:23:20 PM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Yup. I said this once before (none / 0) (#107)
by Cro Magnon on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:02:38 AM EST

If you have a site with 100 people and 12 are trolls, you probably won't notice the trolls.

If the site has 20 people, you WILL notice the 12 trolls.
Information wants to be beer.
[ Parent ]

LOL WUT? (2.00 / 6) (#31)
by tdillo on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:25:42 PM EST

k5 is working as designed, maybe not the way YOU would like or even I would like but it still exists and IT is doing whatever the hell it is supposed to be doing. I don't know what the hell that is BUT k5 KNOWS. k5 has evolved into something I barely recognize--kinda like the Internet itself not to mention the World Wide Web--and I reckon it will evolve more until it reaches some FINAL FORM or Capt. Rusty pulls the plug. k5 is one of the first things I read in the morning and one of the last things I read at the end of the day.

It may or may not be growing but I have that rss thingy that shows new users and shit there is always a buttload. EVERY DAMN DAY.

Everybody wants to blame the 'TROLLS' or the negativity/racism/conservatism/liberalism/North vs South/Intelligentsia vs the Idiocracy, but hell there ain't no trolls on this site anymore just TROLL-LITES, wannabee 'hey look at how trollsta I am!' No TURMERIC, TEX BIG BALLS, CTS, well you're here but you just got lazy.-->'LALALALALALA YOUR STUPID, YOU DON"T GET IT' kinda thing. CTS has become the SARAH PALIN of K5, "I'm not going to address the question I'm just going to continue with my talking points."

If you think somebody is being too negative just don't respond to them, don't read them, don't 0 them, don't do anything--my inner voice just told me I should heed my own advice so I SHOT IT IN THE FACE. ON k5, CRICKETS IS THE WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN to somebody.

If you can't get something that you think is good to FP then maybe it's just not as good as you think. Some people post stuff to diary that should be IMHO posted to queue and it ain't even fully done, like MYBOSTINKS and there was that dude Uncle Angry Hands. Everybody has at least a couple favs. Yeah you don't get a diamond shit out every hour but there is still a variety of sapphires, rubies, pearls, there. Yeah you got to wade through some crap--I'd like to say 'literally' but I don't want anyone else's head to explode--to see it but that's ALWAYS been true.

The MOST interesting things always happen at the boundaries, GREAT creativity thrives NOT when the artist has unlimited resources but when they are challenged to bring something forth DESPITE the difficulty.

PEACE!

The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

BULLSHIT (1.50 / 4) (#33)
by Uncle Remus on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:01:23 PM EST



[ Parent ]
it IS working as designed. that's the problem (none / 1) (#35)
by circletimessquare on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:22:22 PM EST

the design is faulty, it rewards mindless asocial negativity

i am making a tweak to the design to make it a better design


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Kos is a mindless circle-jerk (2.40 / 5) (#38)
by QuantumFoam on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:42:21 PM EST

Of course the scores are all positive, everyone thinks the exact same thing. Users get sent for "reeducation" if they don't.

Oh yeah: Fail, -1.

- Barack Obama: Because it will work this time. Honest!

lol good point (none / 1) (#39)
by circletimessquare on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:43:16 PM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Pretty much (none / 0) (#86)
by some nerd on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 05:00:36 PM EST

Kos was recently boasting on the fp about how awesome he'd been for banning everyone who wouldn't drop their ZOMG BUSH STOLED TEH ELECTION theories. It so happens that his analysis makes sense, but obviously banning people just for having contrary opinions --> groupthink echo chamber.

--
Home Sweet Home

[ Parent ]
+1, another "how to save K5 article" (2.50 / 6) (#41)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 10:37:45 PM EST

geez, this is becoming like a genre...Which proves it really is just a gated, dysfunctional, excessively inward-looking community. And if rusty doesn't want to appoint admins to oversee the site (and get rid of $5) it will stay that way and we'll have nothing besides MichaelCrawford fanfic to read.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
also: j1mmy for Admin, 2008!! (3.00 / 5) (#45)
by nostalgiphile on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 11:16:00 PM EST

this advertisement brought to you by the How to Save K5 Reach Around Commission.

"Depending on your perspective you are an optimist or a pessimist[,] and a hopeless one too." --trhurler
[ Parent ]
yay $ (3.00 / 3) (#73)
by j1mmy on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:24:20 PM EST



[ Parent ]
Excellent points (2.25 / 4) (#42)
by levesque on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 10:58:50 PM EST

No -1 I find interesting

I don't like the voting nomenclature "Dump it!"

I think Abstain can serve purpose

Sometimes there's just crap (none / 1) (#106)
by ensignyu on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 04:45:12 AM EST

That pretty much everyone agrees should be MTV, VTD ASAP.

-1 serves a purpose too.

[ Parent ]

I'm not disagreeing (none / 0) (#110)
by levesque on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 07:33:36 PM EST

I found the idea implicated interesting avenues of thought that may be of use, or not, in the context of story voting and elsewhere

I find MTV, VTD is a good context to consider the efficacy of ASAP admeasurements*

but at this point I have strong feelings against the use of Dump it!, i.e. Dump it! (-1).

* Admeasurement, n.: The adjustment of proportion, or ascertainment of shares, as of dower or pasture held in common.


[ Parent ]
LISTEN YOU DEVIANT WORTHLESS FUCK (1.00 / 3) (#43)
by BonitaCrawford on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 11:03:02 PM EST

"NO -1 VOTES EVERYONE GETS A WORK" WORTHLESS LIBERAL NIGGER-LOVING BULLSHIT

NOTICE: THIS STORY IS UNDERGOING SEVERE MODERATION (1.00 / 3) (#44)
by BonitaCrawford on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 11:04:00 PM EST

BOMBING

the more you speak and mod bomb (none / 1) (#49)
by circletimessquare on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 11:59:46 PM EST

the more i am proven right

please, keep it up


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

your idea has one fatal flaw (2.40 / 5) (#47)
by osm on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 11:53:20 PM EST

rusty doesn't care.

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better formula (3.00 / 5) (#51)
by balsamic vinigga on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 12:19:24 AM EST

CTS*0=Rebirth

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we just need an archive and the ability to keep (3.00 / 2) (#52)
by rhiannon on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:53:30 AM EST

voting on stories, nothing should get deleted, just buried.

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+1 FP, will contribute to death of k5 (3.00 / 4) (#54)
by GrubbyBeardedHermit on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:12:37 AM EST


GBH

-1, weak ass troll (none / 1) (#56)
by Hiphopopotamus on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 07:38:20 AM EST


_________________

I'm In LOVE!

Just for the record (3.00 / 5) (#58)
by Harry B Otch on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 10:01:09 AM EST

Slashdot and Digg are for morons, the once innovative Daily Kos has turned into a deeply bland group-think exercise for liberal sheep, and Fark has just gotten way too big for its own good.  If anything, the latter is a example of what happens when a good site becomes a victim of its own success--it gets bloated to the point that meaningful conversation can't happen anymore, and everyone is totally anonymous.

Speaking from the perspective of someone who is NOT a long-term Kuron (ok, I used to post as "Booger" but got tired of that name for some reason) I've only known the site since it's been dyingTM, but frankly I'd rather have it stay relatively small and full of assholes that I know rather than having a huge turnover all the time.  

Just try to tough it out, cowboy.

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right (none / 1) (#60)
by circletimessquare on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 11:21:32 AM EST

slashdot and digg and fark are utter failures. kuro5hin is a model of meaningful conversation

fucking retard


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

sure it is (none / 0) (#63)
by Harry B Otch on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 11:25:54 AM EST

see, we're having a meaningful conversation right now!

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[ Parent ]

meaningful conversation: (none / 0) (#65)
by circletimessquare on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 11:28:39 AM EST

http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/16/1325215

no meaningful conversation:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2008/9/20/14025/0248


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

well I'm not going to attempt (none / 0) (#66)
by Harry B Otch on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 11:34:47 AM EST

to wade through all that shit.  but it looks like you and rusty had a pretty good thing going there, so what's the problem?  I think you just don't like the content of what passes for conversation around here (not that I blame you), but I still don't see anything wrong with the format.  

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[ Parent ]

the racism really bothers me (none / 0) (#71)
by circletimessquare on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:53:05 PM EST

its not a new low, its entering new territory


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Ah (none / 0) (#102)
by white light on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:58:30 AM EST


And as a programmer myself


meaningful conversation:
http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/16/1325215

Ah i see.

Hey, whatever happened to that uber-k5 you promised you would "program"?

Did rusty promise you some cut of k5 so you wouldn't build it?



..do you really want to help foster this type of laziness?
[ Parent ]

did you see my comment in that story? (none / 0) (#103)
by circletimessquare on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 01:22:15 AM EST

and i'm still rpogramming my uber-k5. but its like my movie, half done. one of these days ill finish everything i started


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
What I can't figure out: (1.50 / 2) (#67)
by Hiphopopotamus on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 12:49:55 PM EST

Why you don't just leave. You add nothing anyway and you are clearly delusional. Just go to PETA or Fark or whatever you were on about and be happy. Just make sure to tell us when you go 'cuz we're not likely to notice.
_________________

I'm In LOVE!
[ Parent ]

holy crap (none / 1) (#70)
by circletimessquare on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:51:59 PM EST

i just had a flashback to 8th grade

hey here's a crazy idea: why don't i do whatever the fuck i want to do, and you shut the fuck up and deal with it?

how's that approach strike you bitch?

at what point did you imagine you were some sort of authority around here?

your job is to suck my dick, and shut the fuck up

you think you're in charge

funny


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Deal with it? (1.50 / 2) (#72)
by Hiphopopotamus on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:08:54 PM EST

Are you one of those guys that says, Hey, DEAL, man!

I bet you are.

I never read anything you write because it's unreadable and always written for a 1st year poli-sci lefty crowd. i.e. there's nothing to read. It's all hot air air.

So, yeah, why not just go to Daily-Kos or something where you won't be so thoroughly trolled all the time?
_________________

I'm In LOVE!
[ Parent ]

fascinating (none / 0) (#74)
by circletimessquare on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:50:27 PM EST

i will ascribe your comments the proper consideration due them as someone of your obvious authority and legitimacy in determining my relevancy and adequacy

zzz


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

Should I find a link for you? (1.50 / 2) (#75)
by Hiphopopotamus on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:54:32 PM EST


_________________

I'm In LOVE!
[ Parent ]

find a room (none / 0) (#76)
by circletimessquare on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:57:41 PM EST

all this fucking you in the face in public is embarassing for me


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
You really think you're something, don't you? (1.50 / 2) (#77)
by Hiphopopotamus on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:06:33 PM EST

Why does every loser on the internet talk like they have giant arms, but they always have a bunch of zits, no friends excepts their cool older brother's friends and the ability to repel females (even the WoW fans) from miles away?

Guys like you are lucky I even hang around here due to extreme boredom at work.
_________________

I'm In LOVE!
[ Parent ]

(snicker) (none / 0) (#78)
by circletimessquare on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:12:55 PM EST

FAIL

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
See what I mean? (1.50 / 2) (#79)
by Hiphopopotamus on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:17:19 PM EST

Losers like you always describe what they are doing. It's so gay. Why not put down the mouse, take your hand off the pencil-dick and go outside and see what the world looks like. It's changed since 1998.
_________________

I'm In LOVE!
[ Parent ]

See what I mean? (none / 0) (#80)
by circletimessquare on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:21:39 PM EST

Losers like you always describe what they are doing. It's so gay. Why not put down the mouse, take your hand off the pencil-dick and go outside and see what the world looks like. It's changed since 1998.

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Now have a slap fight! (none / 1) (#82)
by The Atomic Kung Fu Panda Bandit Inquisition on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:53:01 PM EST

gogogogogogogogogogogogo

[ Parent ]
Holy crap, weak. I guess you're admitting defeat? (2.00 / 3) (#96)
by Hiphopopotamus on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 08:25:27 PM EST

Cuz that was some gay-ass shit from a slanty-eyed bad-ass like yourself.

Queue racist accusation........NOW!
_________________

I'm In LOVE!
[ Parent ]

Just? (none / 1) (#126)
by ucblockhead on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 11:45:04 AM EST

Kuro5hin has been the eighth grade for about six years now.
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[ Parent ]
in college there was a party where you smashed (3.00 / 2) (#91)
by sllort on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 06:16:28 PM EST

an old car and watched it burn

it was fun
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[ Parent ]

Hey, that sounds like CTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!! (none / 1) (#97)
by Hiphopopotamus on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 09:18:43 PM EST


_________________

I'm In LOVE!
[ Parent ]

The problem comes from 0, not just negative (1.50 / 2) (#83)
by NMC spammer on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 04:04:10 PM EST

WE MUST ONLY RATE WITH NATURAL NUMBERS.

I AM CONSIDERING N to be N - {0} for those of you (some kin of stupid engineer or something) who foolishly use a definition of N that contains 0.
Vote me down, bitches.

+e (none / 1) (#85)
by circletimessquare on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 04:13:46 PM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
logicians also include 0 in N (3.00 / 2) (#100)
by The Atomic Kung Fu Panda Bandit Inquisition on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 11:42:08 PM EST

and now I look on wikipedia and see that those fucking euros include it in Z+. WHAT THE FUCK

[ Parent ]
how it has been, and how it shall always be (3.00 / 3) (#89)
by sllort on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 05:53:34 PM EST

http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2003/10/21/161232/94/10#10

Come, nail thyself to my planks!
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hey cts (3.00 / 4) (#90)
by sllort on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 06:07:56 PM EST

party like it's 2004:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2004/5/15/183557/824/110#110

i invented digg.
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the voting-fu is strong in this one padme (none / 0) (#92)
by circletimessquare on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 06:33:13 PM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
+1FP But I'd be disappointed if it worked (3.00 / 3) (#94)
by harrystottle on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 08:09:17 PM EST

I thoroughly agree, of course. Everything you've described explains why you haven't seen much of me around these parts of late.

Nevertheless, if it turns out that the only way we can control our primate imbecility is by restricting free expression, albeit to a limited extent, it will mark a huge defeat for the human condition.

I think there is an innate intelligence within the K5 community which could solve this problem if it could organize itself to do so. The question is, does it really want to?

Mostly harmless

nothing is being restricted (none / 1) (#95)
by circletimessquare on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 08:14:35 PM EST

it would just get shoved further down to the bottom of the page the way a lot of the vomit you see prominent here should be shoved down to the medulla oblongata, if some of the twatstains here had any greater mental capacity

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
the problem with k5 (3.00 / 4) (#99)
by achievingfluidity on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 10:01:24 PM EST

is that it could be said it was "the place where the smart get mean" which is hardly the case anymore. More recently, it's more like "where idiots and morons get mean by the boatload."

The difference is noticeable.

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Your vote (0) was recorded. (none / 1) (#105)
by ensignyu on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 04:34:38 AM EST

This story currently has a total score of 10.

You were the last vote. We've considered the votes and comments, and decided the story should be posted. Thank you!




So the threshold is ten now. (none / 0) (#124)
by Entendre Entendre on Wed Dec 24, 2008 at 02:27:52 AM EST

By "now" I mean, "since the last time I noticed," which was quite a while ago. Ten is an awfully small number compared to back in the day. I knew there was some truth to all of the K5-is-dying crap - obviously, since I don't come by much anymore either - but wow. Ten.

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[ Parent ]

apathy$ (none / 1) (#112)
by skyknight on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 09:25:35 PM EST



It's not much fun at the top. I envy the common people, their hearty meals and Bruce Springsteen and voting. --SIGNOR SPAGHETTI
old failtroll is old (none / 0) (#113)
by loteck on Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 02:21:33 AM EST

also, fail.

no one bites on your shit anymore you fucking downsbaby. you never could contribute to a real discussion, and now you want the dumb noobs to come back so that you can have something to shit on again.

fucking leave.
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"WHAT AN ETERNAL MOBIUS STRIP OF FELLATIATIC BANALITY THIS IS." -Harry B Otch

i resent being called a fucking downsbaby (none / 0) (#114)
by circletimessquare on Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 02:30:42 PM EST

i am baby downsfucker

get your slurs right douchebag

furthermore, here's a crazy idea: why don't i do whatever the fuck i want to do, and you shut the fuck up and deal with it?

how's that approach strike you bitch?

at what point did you imagine you were some sort of authority around here?

your job is to suck my dick, and shut the fuck up


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

you and all the other asstards around here (none / 0) (#115)
by kbudha on Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 04:57:30 PM EST

I'll bite.

To quote you and a handful of other geniuses.

"Its a public forum. Don't open your mouth and expect silence in return."

The many arguments of CTS including:

"You have the right to freedom of speech, except when you offend anyone."

Funny you mention 4chan.
After having been there I seriously believe that many K5ers originated there but left after getting their feelings hurt.

[ Parent ]

i don't support censorship (none / 0) (#116)
by circletimessquare on Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 06:13:47 PM EST

the current system on k5 supports censorship (voting -1 on stories, 0 on comments)

what i propose leads to less censorship. it lets all stories and all comments stay visible forever, simply ranked by number responses

so it take a special fucktard (that's you) to use censorship as a reason to condemn me, when my way is all about less censorship


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

here's a crazy idea: (1.50 / 2) (#117)
by loteck on Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 07:15:01 PM EST

why don't we do whatever the fuck we want to do, and you shut the fuck up and deal with it?
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"WHAT AN ETERNAL MOBIUS STRIP OF FELLATIATIC BANALITY THIS IS." -Harry B Otch

[ Parent ]
EXACTLY fucktard (none / 0) (#118)
by circletimessquare on Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 07:33:58 PM EST

you deserve to be free of me hiding your comment, or your story. you deserve to do whatever the fuck you want to do, regardless of what i think of it

which is EXACTLY what i am proposing, moron

meanwhile, the current system means someone could not like what you are doing, and hide your comment, or vote it down

so it takes a special kind of retard to criticize someone's idea... by supporting their idea

(that's you, btw, in case you were too dim to realize the description)


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

You're a fuckin idiot (none / 0) (#119)
by kbudha on Wed Oct 22, 2008 at 09:22:47 AM EST

No wonder you support the iraq occupation.

We are pointing out the irony of your comment in a post about eliminating censorship.

"why don't I (you, CTS) do what I want and you (meaning anyone who disagrees with you) shut the fuck up".

Its not about censorship anyways, its about those mean old trolls nulling the drivel you attempt to the front page.

And I don't support any of your ideas, including homemade vampire emo flicks.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN - CTS, PROUD GRADUATE OF THE NEOCON COLLEGE OF POINT REVERSAL AND FAULTY LOGIC.
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[ Parent ]

dude (none / 0) (#120)
by circletimessquare on Wed Oct 22, 2008 at 06:39:31 PM EST

your flailing

accuse me of something coherently. right now you got cnesorhisp, and neocon, and troll, etc...

pick a line of attack and stick with it

i think you'll find in life that the best attacks on people are the pointed attacks, not the throw everything you got attacks

good luck kid, you'll get it someday


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

OP is right, K5 *is* dieing. (2.50 / 6) (#121)
by brunes69 on Sat Nov 01, 2008 at 08:21:15 PM EST

I used to read K5 all the time, back from 200-2003. Heck, I even got a story or two posted to the front page.

But around 2003, I started bcoming immensely bored, both with the lack of both decent original pieces, and intensely unjustified negativity toward people posting MLP items (ironic isn't it that Digg is now so much more immensely popular than K5, and all Digg is is a giant MLP site...)

I still come back to K5 every few months, hoping something has changed... but it just seems to sink further and further into oblivion... Look at some of the sections here people, there is only one story being posted every couple of months in most of them. It is a pretty sad state of affairs if I can scroll down just one page and go through an entire year's worth of postings on any website.

I agree with all of the proposals in the OP's post. People have to stop being so negative and allow some content to actually become published on the site - otherwise, the site will cease to exist altogether, and then of what use was all this intense guardship ?

---There is no Spoon---

thank you, voice of reason, voice of the past (none / 0) (#122)
by circletimessquare on Thu Nov 06, 2008 at 12:49:11 PM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
i haven't been posting here long (none / 1) (#123)
by totmacher on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 05:46:55 PM EST

but i've read front page articles for a couple of years now and yeah, the site content has declined but honestly i enjoy this site more than other "geeky social news/content sites". k5 doesn't have this moronic voting mechanism that leads to political groupthink and if it turns to that, it's only because the population is so small and ineffectual when it comes to votes. votes on other sites that say the same thing but are weighted equally.

anyway

keep it as is, whatever you're doing, it's working for me

-- I'll sum it up for yo: You = Douche bag ~ Butthurtapotamus

as an occassional visitor (none / 1) (#125)
by m a r c on Fri Jan 09, 2009 at 04:28:27 PM EST

The thing which I think is fundamental here is not posting scoring, but content. Personally the lack of frequent and interesting content is what determines the frequency of my visits here (monthly). If you have more intersting content, the tempory visiters will be more tempted to visit, and therefore comment more frequently.

Maybe i'm missing something, but I don't view the people here as a sad little lot who are overly concerning with the ratings imposed by their virtual peer group. There is intrinstic value in posting something that you took the time to create to other people. Even though I have not posted any articles, I would be more pleased if it generated some interesting comments than any rating it so achieved.


I got a dog and named him "Stay". Now, I go "Come here, Stay!". After a while, the dog went insane and wouldn't move at all.

circletimessquare... buddy... (none / 1) (#127)
by Graeme Rasputin on Tue Jan 20, 2009 at 11:03:01 PM EST

nothing can revive k5. the fundamental idea that made k5 work in the beginning is that it allowed people to publish to a moderately large audience on a somewhat prominent, somewhat prestigious (as blog-type things go) website. the audience is gone and every shred of prestige left long ago.

if k5 retained a large readership or a decent reputation, you might be able to overcome the basic insanity of the queue system, in which someone brings something they worked on and in exchange is insulted and very likely rejected. but you can't. k5 offers nothing to authors, except maybe those who retain some bizarre sentimental attachment to the place. you might as well make a blog on blogspot -- you'll get a similar number of readers without any effort and if you do well, you could actually gain a place amongst the pantheon of popular bloggers. that's far more than k5 offered even in its best days.

long story short, k5 was a pretty bad idea at the outset that worked largely because of frustration with slashdot around the time of its inception and the early appearance that it might make a worthy replacement. the magic conditions that allowed this bad idea to work no longer exist. there's no going back.

circletimessquare... buddy... (none / 1) (#128)
by Graeme Rasputin on Tue Jan 20, 2009 at 11:03:06 PM EST

nothing can revive k5. the fundamental idea that made k5 work in the beginning is that it allowed people to publish to a moderately large audience on a somewhat prominent, somewhat prestigious (as blog-type things go) website. the audience is gone and every shred of prestige left long ago.

if k5 retained a large readership or a decent reputation, you might be able to overcome the basic insanity of the queue system, in which someone brings something they worked on and in exchange is insulted and very likely rejected. but you can't. k5 offers nothing to authors, except maybe those who retain some bizarre sentimental attachment to the place. you might as well make a blog on blogspot -- you'll get a similar number of readers without any effort and if you do well, you could actually gain a place amongst the pantheon of popular bloggers. that's far more than k5 offered even in its best days.

long story short, k5 was a pretty bad idea at the outset that worked largely because of frustration with slashdot around the time of its inception and the early appearance that it might make a worthy replacement. the magic conditions that allowed this bad idea to work no longer exist. there's no going back.

Actually, I go to a few other sites... (none / 1) (#129)
by dakini on Mon Jan 26, 2009 at 03:16:01 AM EST

and they have the ratings locked, once they hit a positive side. There had been problems of trolls going about, as usual, and minus rating everything, so the rating system is locked once it hits the magical five. Also, comments are removed by the person who owns the "story" only. I find it works wonders to keep the trolls somewhat at bay.

" May your vision be clear, your heart strong, and may you always follow your dreams."
Is localranger still here? (none / 0) (#130)
by skim123 on Tue Jan 27, 2009 at 10:34:18 AM EST

He used to write some interesting stories. Get him to write some more stories and this place will be poppin' in no time.

Money is in some respects like fire; it is a very excellent servant but a terrible master.
PT Barnum


they chased him away (none / 0) (#131)
by circletimessquare on Mon Feb 02, 2009 at 01:42:02 AM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
no, they didn't (none / 0) (#132)
by N0574 on Mon Feb 02, 2009 at 07:38:58 AM EST

he still bloviates to the ghetto from time to time, but you wouldn't know that because they chased you away.

- NCCTG N0574 CANCER PROTOCOL
[ Parent ]
you're right (none / 1) (#133)
by circletimessquare on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 01:15:18 AM EST

i'm chased away

where am i?


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

not where you should be (none / 0) (#134)
by N0574 on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 07:30:05 AM EST

i.e., in the queue fighting for Atheism.

- NCCTG N0574 CANCER PROTOCOL
[ Parent ]
i should fight (none / 1) (#135)
by circletimessquare on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:33:17 AM EST

for that which says there's nothing to fight for


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
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