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MICHAEL DAVID CRAWFORD and ORION BLASTAR v GOOGLE

By MichaelCrotchford in Meta
Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 08:23:54 AM EST
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MICHAEL DAVID CRAWFORD and ORION BLASTAR
Plaintiffs,
v.
GOOGLE, INC.
Defendant.

COMPLAINT FOR DECLARATORY AND INJUNCTIVE RELEASE. I MEAN RELIEF.


COMPLAINT

Plaintiffs allege and state as follows:

PARTIES

1. Plaintiff Michael David Crawford ("Crawford") is a super debugger. His father was in the Navy, you know.

2. Plaintiff Orion Blastar tried to mortgage his house to pay Crawford's bail. Despite this, Crawford can't be bothered to take 5 minutes out of his extended jack-off session to do anything for him.

3. Upon information and belief, Google, Inc. ("Google") is organized under the laws of Delaware and are a bunch of Ignorant Mother Fuckers.

NATURE OF THE ACTION

4. On or about June 2, 2010, Crawford created the "softwareproblem" Google group ("the softwareproblem"). To date, the software problem has not been solved.

5. When creating the softwareproblem, Crawford agreed the Google groups Terms of Service ("TOS").

6. Per the TOS, Google does not monitor, control or have liability over content posted to the softwareproblem and has no obligation to delete offensive posts.

7. Per the TOS, Crawford, as group owner, does have the responsibility to monitor and maintain the softwareproblem and delete offensive posts.

8. On or about June 10, 2010, user "Gay Masters" claimed Orion Blastar is child molester on the softwareproblem.

9. At some point between June 2, 2010 and February 18th, 2012, Crawford forgot his password and lost control of the email address used to register the softwareproblem.

10. Between June 10,2010 and February 2, 2012, Orion Blastar repeatedly asked Crawford to remove the offensive post.

11. Despite promising to delete the post, Crawford did not.

12. This is somehow Google's fault.

13. On or about February 17th, 2012, Kuro5hin.org user Corey Haim provided instructions on resetting your Google Groups password without email access. To date, Crawford can't be bothered. Maybe tomorrow.

14. Crawford's inability to maintain the softwareproblem, as he contractually agreed to, has caused Orion Blastar pain and suffering.

PRAYER FOR RELIEF

We therefore respectfully request the Court ignore contract law, prior precedents and common sense to enter the following relief against Google:

A. An order granting $1,000,000 to Orion Blastar for pain and suffering.

B. Permanent injunctive relief restraining Crawford from ever using any Google service ever again.

Dated: February 18, 2012

Respectfully submitted,

/s/ Ogg Lawyer

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MICHAEL DAVID CRAWFORD and ORION BLASTAR v GOOGLE | 47 comments (39 topical, 8 editorial, 0 hidden)
Nice Opening. Here's Mine. (1.08 / 12) (#8)
by Zombie Jesus Christ on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 08:40:13 AM EST

For one to form a legally binding contract, one must have the opportunity to negotiate with the opposing party.  I'm not sure whether the law requires the opposing party to give me the opportunity to simply strike out entire clauses, but I have done so a few times in the past.

By not giving me the opportunity to negotiates the Google Groups Terms of Service, those terms of service are not a contract of any sort.

Further, the "Checkbox" contract agreement was made enforceable, if I understand, by a law that was called some manner of Digital Signatures Act.  Anyone with any understanding of undeniability and authentication would hold digital signatures to involve some manner of cryptography, but checkbox signatures do not.

Therefore Google has no way of knowing who checked that box, whether that checkbox was signed by a live human being at all, or that the group was not created by, say, some sporadic corrupt data in a filesystem or SQL database.

I've been meaning for eons to get the Digital Signatures Act overturned, but just haven't had the headspace for it.

I'm quite beat, and am on the verge of hallucination from not having slept enough, so I'll have to wait until early this evening to respond to your next move.

But I will say, that at long last, I have found a worthy chess partner.  My hat's off to you, sir!

--
Mike Crawford for Clark County Commissioner
District 1 North County
mike@communard.org

Paid for by The Communard Party of Washington State


more Craw-excuses ... (none / 0) (#9)
by mumble on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 09:31:42 AM EST

"I've been meaning for eons to get the Digital Signatures Act overturned, but just haven't had the headspace for it."

"I'm quite beat, and am on the verge of hallucination from not having slept enough, so I'll have to wait until early this evening to respond to your next move."

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[ Parent ]

Jotting Down My Own Moves Does Not Your Own Move.. (1.12 / 8) (#24)
by Zombie Jesus Christ on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 07:42:45 PM EST

... Make.

That's like writing:

ZJC: KP-K4

That's the Old-Skool chess move notation.  The modern notation is easier for newbies, and really while not at in any way a newbie as I've been playing chess since the early seventies, I am as yet definitely clueless about kind of game that most people know as chess.

The modern notation for the above move would be:

ZJC: 42-44

Or something like that.  In any case it uses much simpler to visualize integral grid coordinates.

Yet for reasons I find hard to even undertand myself, let alone explain to others, I find the traditional form of chess notation far more preferable, despite that even I myself find it far more difficult to keep track of which piece is which - the King's Pawn v. the Queen's Rook's Pawn, say, then when using the modern grid notation.

It cannot possibly be because I learned the traditional, I dont know the correct term but let's call it Relational Notation, when I was but a boy, as I was totally flummoxed by that notation whenever I myself ever tried to study those openings I go on about at such length.

What's your take?  Do you yourself know why you prefer one, the other, dislike both or are equally cool with both?

Now mumble, I'm completely cool with not just idle chatter during my games with others, but any manner of Kibbutzing as well.  Despite my enthusiasm for rhetorical chess, it is among the most mentally taxing activities of all for me.  Thus idle chatter or even Kibbutzing is a very good way to relax until the time comes to consider my opponents next play.

But mumble, you know very well, that I know very well, that you are among Kuro5hin's most worthy opponents of all.

Please to be considering MichaelCrotchford's opening move as White, my own responding opening move as Black, then as I continue my game with MichaelCrotchford, I'll take you on as well, but you'll have to satisfy yourself with our two openings as you commence your own take on White by commencing your game with me from your own second move.

mumble, you're a dear friend to me, you know you are.  That script you wrote that experimentally determines all of our Cirdian Rhythms is not only a valuable contribution to the Scientific, Mental Health and Mental Health Communities, but to me personally as well, because I can take my own posting cycle graph as well as those of a few of our colleagues, then show it to those of my own doctors who not only refuse my polite request to look up the literature on Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome, but consider me delusional for even believing that an Endocrine Condition whose basic mechanism won its discover, even exists.

mumble, my friend, don't fail me now.

I won't demand or make it so blunt as I quite commonly do here in the ghetto.

You need not comply with what is not a demand, but a polite request between two friends.

Please take White, that you and I might while away many an evening - or otherwise, in my own case - over a game of Rhetorical Chess.

Your Friend,

Zombie Jesus Christ
Salmon Creek, Washington

--
Mike Crawford for Clark County Commissioner
District 1 North County
mike@communard.org

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[ Parent ]
White's king pawn to king 4 would be written (none / 0) (#44)
by tweet on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 04:03:58 PM EST

"e4" in the modern style, in which omitting the piece name implies it's a pawn move and since two distinct pawns cannot move to the same square (unless capturing) there is no ambiguity.

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Not everything in black and white makes sense.
[ Parent ]

google has a very easy way of knowing (3.00 / 3) (#11)
by balsamic vinigga on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 10:01:15 AM EST

who checked that box.

it's called subpoena crawford and ask him if he checked it under penalty of perjury.

You'd rather perjure yourself than just follow Google's gracious and outstanding offer to simply allow you to recover your password without your email?

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[ Parent ]

Exactly (none / 1) (#14)
by Corey Haim on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 04:14:18 PM EST

"I wish to challenge this law, because there's no way of proving I actually checked that box in person!"

"But did you check the box?"

"Why yes, as it turns out, I did."

[ Parent ]

NO THAT'S TOO DIRECT (3.00 / 3) (#15)
by MDC Protector Protector on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 04:18:36 PM EST

I SEE SOMETHING LIKE

  1. GOOGLE SUBPEONAS CRAWFORD
  2. CRAWFORD POSTS ONLINE ABOUT HOW HE WILL LIE UNDER OATH TO FIX $SOME_SOCIAL_ISSUE
  3. CRAWFORD LIES UNDER OATH
  4. CRAWFORD POSTS ABOUT HOW HE LIED UNDER OATH
  5. CRAWFORD GETS FELONY PERJURY


[ Parent ]
ANKLE BITER! (1.00 / 12) (#26)
by Zombie Jesus Christ on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 08:10:32 PM EST

ANKLE BITERS EVERYWHERE!

-- Tsutomu Shimomura, Ricketts House, Ex '86


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Mike Crawford for Clark County Commissioner
District 1 North County
mike@communard.org

Paid for by The Communard Party of Washington State


[ Parent ]
Three to keep (none / 0) (#47)
by Del Griffith on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 08:01:37 PM EST

The lost cause afloat

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[ Parent ]

I'll take it to the Supreme Court (1.12 / 8) (#25)
by Zombie Jesus Christ on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 08:08:31 PM EST

To have it made legal precedent that Google has no way to prove I checked that box other than to compel me to state whether I did so while on the witness stand.

Sure I checked that box.

  I don't dispute that, as I am a Man of Honor.  I only asserted that Google had no way to know whether I did to ensure you were all dotting and crossing the Pedantically Correct Vertical Handwriting Strokes.

You know and I both know that you sir are a worthy opponent.  I commend you for your play, but I must remind you that I take the game of Rhetorical Chess far more seriously than anything I do.  It's not that any of my Chess Games stand on their own as the advocacy and education to which I devote the rest of my days.  By taking on every last Kuron simultaneously, and members of other sites as well, such as the two lawyers for those Two Ignorant Mother Fuckers, you help me sharpen as well as prepare my arguments for those of my games of Rhetorical Chess that have real-world consequences such as what would happen were my essays on Mental Illness not to make a difference in the lives of others, or as a result of my own failure to brush up on my openings, midgames and endgames, that I lose the Game of Chess that without a doubt I wont' be playing against Dan Gasparino the Kid, but without a doubt, the Clark County Prosecuting Attorney.

That last, you see, because I'm going to spot Danny-Boy my Queen by advising the prosecuting attorney of every fuckup Danny-Boy ever makes, in hopes that by doing so, he might do a better job of putting behind bars for a good long time those who really have committed crimes.

Given that we both know that my dear friend balsamic vinigga is a worthy opponents, so I won't be so blunt as to advise you to brush up on your teeth, let alone your openings.

But I will advise you to find some way to focus your thoughts that you may concentrate on the game at hand.  Whether you require dead silence in your environment, complete Photon-free darkness as does my - unfortunately former, but at one time best - friend and fellow Scurve, Bruce Tiemann, or as I require, soft yet oddly headbanging music.

Find some way to focus your thoughts before you respond to my next move:

My... let me count them... third move as Black is to freely admit that I did click that checkbox.  I won't dispute that fact, and will happily sign an affidavit asserting that I did, despite having no conscious memory of actually doing so.

After first pointing out that Google quite likely cannot recover any manner of Forensic Evidence of anyone ever checking that particular checkbox, let alone have any way to Authenticate that evidence in any of the written arguments that Google would have to present to the Supreme Court when I do finally have the Digital Signatures Act declared, not in any way Unconstitional, but Constitutionally Unenforceable.

(That last is not the correct Term of Art, but more or less I assert that Congress could have, had it but lifted a finger, enacted a legally unimpeachible Digital Signatures Act that included the requirement that the Federal Bureau of Standards research, open for public comment on, then implement ever-evolving regulations that will enable Digital Signatures to be Forensically Unimpeachable - FOREVER!.)

My Third Move as Black I will assert that I was not, at the time that I might well have, yet do not consciously recall clicking the no-longer-disputed checkbox, was not in a position to execute any manner of legally enforceable contract.

I don't doubt that you think you know what I'm talking about.

Hint Number One is that you might well know, but the chances are pretty good that what you think you know is totally out in left field.

I'll be fetching a new Venti Drip as you contemplate your next move.

--
Mike Crawford for Clark County Commissioner
District 1 North County
mike@communard.org

Paid for by The Communard Party of Washington State


[ Parent ]
I checked that box. I don't dispute that [...] (none / 1) (#38)
by schlouse on Mon Feb 20, 2012 at 01:07:01 AM EST

Hopefully you'll receive the death penalty

[ Parent ]
yes it is good enough (none / 1) (#40)
by Zombie Schrodingers Cat on Mon Feb 20, 2012 at 08:06:02 AM EST

to simply ask you under oath "did you check that box?"

When there is a contract dispute and they enter into evidence a document with someone's signature on it, they will ask in court "did you sign this document?". If the witness says yes, then that's it. The witness signed the document. Now if the witness says its not his signature, then they might bring in a handwriting expert to counter that.

So get it through your head right now: There will be no expert testimony entered into evidence proving that google is not absolutely sure that you clicked that box. They WILL ask you if you clicked the box and you will be compelled by law to answer that you did. Just as they don't bring in experts to verify a signature after a witness has confirmed its his/her signature. As soon as you say "yes I clicked that box" or "yes I signed that document" there is no need for any more court time to be used on the subject.

[ Parent ]

how is there a next move after you've been (none / 0) (#41)
by balsamic vinigga on Mon Feb 20, 2012 at 09:55:56 AM EST

checkmated?

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[ Parent ]
shake his hand, give him your business card, (3.00 / 3) (#43)
by MichaelCrotchford on Mon Feb 20, 2012 at 05:11:42 PM EST

and ask for his vote. Do you know nothing of buddy booth etiquette?

[ Parent ]
Risible nonsense. (3.00 / 3) (#12)
by HollyHopDrive on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 11:08:09 AM EST

A contract consists of an offer and acceptance. Google offered you terms, and you clicked 'accept'. Google was under no obligation to negotiate terms with you or any of the other bajillion people who use its Groups service, just as it's under no obligation to provide any service to the public at all. If you didn't like the terms, you didn't need to agree to them.

Just do what Corey Haim suggested. It might not work but it'll only take five minutes to try, and the Digital Signatures Act can wait.

I make too much sense to be on the Internet.
[ Parent ]

Sadly google couldn't give a shit (none / 0) (#16)
by sholden on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 05:28:26 PM EST

And the publicity of going up against a mentally ill homeless guy wouldn't be wise either.

But in an ideal world, google would have him charged and prosecuted for "computer hacking" since he accessed and used their computer resources without authorization (given that agreeing to those terms is how you get authorization and apparently he didn't do that) as soon as he filed his ridiculous claims.

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[ Parent ]
Maybe in the UK (1.12 / 8) (#27)
by Zombie Jesus Christ on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 09:32:59 PM EST

But my understanding is that in the United States, legally-binding contracts have to meet certain requirements.  Just as there are certain rights which you may not sign away, such as bodily organ sale being forbidden, there are certain rights which you possess no matter what you agree too.

But I readily agree that I cannot cite Chapter and Verse that declares the requirement that defines legally binding contracts to have offered not just myself, but both sides the opportunity to negotiate.

Neither side need actually avail themselves of that opportunity, but that opportunity needs to have been presented by both sides.

I know very well how and where to obtain that Chapter and Verse.  A compact yet authoritative legal dictionary that I purchased the other evening will get me started, the legal section of Powells City of Books will get me the citation and the United States Supreme Court will provide the legally-binding majority opinions.

(Fuck Me!  The US Government isn't very quick on the draw.  After the "whitehouse.com" debacle, you think the Feds would have snapped up "supremecourt.com".  At least it's not a Pr0n site!)

That's not quite enough, because what I really need are authoritative discussions as to how those opinions apply to cases that fall after the relevant opinions were written.  For those I have both the Reed and Lewis and Clark Law Libraries in Portland.  (There may be a Law Library in Vancouver as well, but I have yet to hunt one down.)

As a self-employed owner of a corporation, the understanding of contract law is far more important to me than any kind of criminal law.  I contemplated asking you to agree to set our game aside, but no, my career itself cannot be set aside, so hitting the books on contract law I will be.

Contracts also require what is known as "consideration".  That is, one has to pay someone some amount of real value for something.  It need not be actual money, but loosely speaking it has to be something that someone at least would consider worthy of exchanging money for, quite often barter.

  Contracts are not in any way binding unless they include consideration.

That's why professional photographers sometimes carry around packs of gum.  Please to be looking up the legal requirements for what constitutes a Model Release Agreement.

I always enjoy our Chess Games together, Holly.  I do feel bad that I've driven you to question my own loyalty to our friendship, but I have for many years considered you one of the very finest friends I've ever known.  Don't think I'll ever forget what you one did for me.  If you yourself have forgotten, I'll dig up the needed citation in diary search RSN.

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Mike Crawford for Clark County Commissioner
District 1 North County
mike@communard.org

Paid for by The Communard Party of Washington State


[ Parent ]
Your understanding is incorrect (3.00 / 2) (#32)
by Corey Haim on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 09:52:14 PM EST

Contracts for services in the US are subject to the Mirror image rule.

Under that rule, you are offered a contract and are free to accept or reject it. However, if you accept it, you must accept it without modification.

If you make any changes to a contract, the rule states that this is a rejection of the original contract and is instead an entirely different contract, a counteroffer, which you are now offering to the other party for acceptance.

Look it up in your legal dictionary. It's under "M".

[ Parent ]

Now Your Cooking with Gas! (1.12 / 8) (#39)
by Zombie Jesus Christ on Mon Feb 20, 2012 at 02:35:53 AM EST

I had more of a comment all typed up but the poorly thought out UI of the iOS just deleted it all.

I'm getting ready to root all of my ios devices so I can install some manner of Linux distro.

A brand new copy of Steven H. Giftis' Law Dictionary Sixth Edition from Barron's Legal Guide has stellar production quality with a clearly expensive and durable plasticized, textured and foil embossed cover.  it has more than 5000 definitions, most importantly with citations, top quality paper with the pages having rounded corners so they don't get dog eared, and 595 pages.  it's too big for a shirt pocket but would fit in a coat pocket and is clearly meant not just for students to carry throughout their day, but for trial lawyers to bring to hearings every single day.  I know I will.

$14.99 at Powells City of Books.  Compare that to OReillys Pocket SQL Guide.  About the same height and width but half the thickness, good quality thick paper cover, but my law dictionary will serve my needs forever whereas technical books become obsolete quite quickly,   184 pages, also at $14.99.

We are being robbed blind by the technical book publishers, folks.  I once thought legal books were expensive, but compared to what you and I have to constantly shell out to keep our chops current.

without further ado. page ... fuck.

for all that, it doesn't have an entry for the mirror image rule.  interestingly right befeore where it ought to fall is the longest definition I've seen so far, that being on the Miranda rule.  we have many other rights than to remain silent, but the cops don't, uh, cop to the.

one more.. no.  it doesn have counteroffer either.  this suggests to me that I ought not put off buying a much weightier and so much more expensive hardbound legal dictionary that I found on the same shelf as this one.

I'll look into the procedure for making counteroffers to click through agreements.  hurling registered letters at the Agents for Service of Process for any corporation would likely do.  Once I have a good answer,  while k5 would no doubt shit all over it the discussion during Edit would enable me to tighten my arguments so that I might well get it Slashdotted.

The mind simply reels at the thought of every Slashbot that walks the Earth FedExing a counteroffer to every EULA we can lay our wart covered hands on.

Where did you come up with the Mirror Image Rule?

I do know there are lots of free online resources, but I really do prefer dead trees.

Thanks for your help.  I need a bite to eat, then I'll recover that password, back up the group with wget, then delete the offending posts.

--
Mike Crawford for Clark County Commissioner
District 1 North County
mike@communard.org

Paid for by The Communard Party of Washington State


[ Parent ]
The thing about technical books (none / 0) (#45)
by Morally Inflexible on Mon Mar 12, 2012 at 03:27:42 PM EST

you see, is that they become obsolete rather quickly.  As you point out, this makes them less valuable to the user, but it also makes them rather more expensive to produce.   Anyone remotely qualified to write a technical book can make pretty good money, you know, working;  and to keep a tech. book up to date, you have to have the author come back and re-write the dang thing every few years.

Add to that printing costs;  the more of one thing you print at once, the cheaper it is.  With a technical book, you can't print as much at once, 'cause you know that after a few years, it'll be worthless.  Add to that, you don't know how many years it will be.  I mean, some technologies change faster than others, and quite often it's difficult to predict what technology will obsolete what other technology until after the fact.  

From my adventures with the technical publishing industry?  they are not the ones making the money here.  

[ Parent ]

why can't you just make the ATTEMPT to try to (3.00 / 2) (#13)
by squirrelmaster on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 11:14:11 AM EST

recover the password to google groups.

Stop this masturbatory talk about playing chess. You can't play chess, you can't win arguments, you can't do shit. You are an utter failfuck. Fucking kill yourself.

[ Parent ]

PLEASE DO NOT KILL YOURSELF CRAWFORD (none / 0) (#17)
by nateo on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 05:39:28 PM EST

until you fix that Orion Blastar thing, then go ahead.

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[ Parent ]
That's Not the Point. (1.12 / 8) (#28)
by Zombie Jesus Christ on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 09:41:45 PM EST

It's not that I can't, but that I must not until both of the attorneys I'll be contacting have discussed with each other as to whether THEY think - and not KURO5HIN thinks - that Lexx Core - the one with actual standing to sue, and not myself, has a Snowflake's Chance in Hell of, not so much winning the case, but obtaining a settlement for all the pain and suffering he has undoubtedly endured.

I need to prove not just to a court, but to both those attorneys that that defamation not only occured but has been ongoing.  

The very instant they provide their opinions, whatever they may be, I'll use wget to pull down the entire Solving the Software Problem Google Groupd, digitally sign up, back it up with multiple offsite backups then - and only then - delete the offending posts.

A reasonable play, but I must point out that I long ago made clear as to why I didn't, and these days will not remove the offending posts.

Until the attorneys have had there say, there simply is no point to recovering my password.

--
Mike Crawford for Clark County Commissioner
District 1 North County
mike@communard.org

Paid for by The Communard Party of Washington State


[ Parent ]
this is the ultimate excuse (none / 1) (#37)
by squirrelmaster on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 11:13:56 PM EST

you are a worthless shit stain of a person. Norman is experiencing serious anguish over the situation as is and you will make no effort to help him.

[ Parent ]
crawford you suck (none / 0) (#42)
by balsamic vinigga on Mon Feb 20, 2012 at 10:07:14 AM EST

Blastar doesn't want to pursue a case, he just wants the posts deleted. And it's lucky for you he doesn't want to pursue a case, because this case you think he has agains google he actually has against you.

He's not asking you fer legal help. HE'S FUCKING ASKING YOU TO DELETE THE POST.

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[ Parent ]

It's not the game you think it is (none / 1) (#18)
by Blarney on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 05:42:38 PM EST

What the game people are playing is, is that they are testing to see whether you can be emotionally moved enough to exert some moderate effort in order to please someone who obviously cares about you. In other words, they are testing your capacity for empathy - not for intellect.

The right answer, in my view, is twofold. First of all, don't play. Don't discuss this publically, don't defend yourself, don't give any public advice to Blastar either.

Secondly, go ahead and contact Google and try to get that stupid group taken down. Keep in touch with Blastar by email to let him know. But don't go posting to K5 about it. You win that way, I think.

[ Parent ]

I never intended this to be a game or a test (none / 1) (#21)
by Corey Haim on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 06:46:12 PM EST

of Mike. I didn't bring this up to attack him or cause any drama. The only reason he's involved is because I thought he had a simple, quick way of solving Blastar's problem.

After Blastar left the site, he mentioned those posts, I suggested contacting Mike, he said he'd done that a couple of times over the last year with no results.

I promised that when Mike started posting again, I'd catch his attention and try to get it sorted.

In my (naive, perhaps) imagination, it was a case of making one post, followed by Mike taking two minutes to login and delete the offending material.

I had no idea it would turn into a cat-herding expedition.

[ Parent ]

he's made it a game (none / 1) (#22)
by Blarney on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 07:00:55 PM EST

He somehow thinks that you're all insulting his technical acumen, or disrespecting his righteousness.

He honestly doesn't seem to see that this is simply about doing something nice for someone who would definitely do it for him, were their places changed.

[ Parent ]

OK (none / 0) (#23)
by Corey Haim on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 07:08:09 PM EST

I was just making it clear that this isn't a case of "let's use this a pretext for winding Mike up". The ideal outcome would have been having the posts deleted without the secondary shitstorm.

[ Parent ]
You sir are a worthy opponent (1.12 / 8) (#30)
by Zombie Jesus Christ on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 09:44:07 PM EST

But what Orion wants for himself is not the pain and suffering damage he is owed.

I eagerly await your next move.

--
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District 1 North County
mike@communard.org

Paid for by The Communard Party of Washington State


[ Parent ]
What he wants is for those posts (3.00 / 5) (#34)
by Corey Haim on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 10:12:12 PM EST

to be removed.

I know this because I asked him today. I gave him a summary of the situation. Direct quote: "Yes tell Mike I do not want to sue him or Google, I just want the posts removed."

Please respect his wishes and take a few minutes to attempt password recovery. It might not work, you have to at least try.

I have no wish to be an "opponent". This isn't a zero-sum game, rather I had hoped that with your cooperation we could achieve a mutually-desired goal. I gave him my word that I would try. And I have tried, but you're putting obstacles in the way of my attempt to help another human being.

If you're more interested in playing games and stroking your ego, let that be on your conscience.

[ Parent ]

OK But Before I Do... (1.12 / 8) (#35)
by Zombie Jesus Christ on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 10:34:45 PM EST

I still feel the need for a Forensic Backup of the entire group.

I'll be back to you after I've actually recovered the password.

But I really do have have more pressing work on my plate.  My Mom only has dialup, and Starbucks closes in two hours.  There are certain things I really do need lots of bandwidth for.

It's not that dialup doesn't normally work for that stuff, but something has always been totally borked with my Mom's dialup, that I've never been able to figure out.

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District 1 North County
mike@communard.org

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I understand you are busy. (none / 1) (#36)
by Corey Haim on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 10:54:06 PM EST

I did a brief scout of the questions they ask you.

They recommend you use "locations" (IPs, I presume) that you previously used to access the service - I don't know how doable that is for you.

Most of the questions are about dates - when you signed up, the last time you logged in etc. They don't expect you to get everything right but for the best chance, you give your closest guesses. You can try the whole process multiple times.

If that fails, softwareproblem.org is up for renewal in May. The current owner has a bunch of similar sites with little content and a few ads; if it's unprofitable, hopefully he'll let it expire.

Or we could hope that, say, a bunch of porn gets posted to the group. Google say somewhere that the group mods have to actively flag such posts. If they don't, Google reserve the right to close down the group. But I think it's highly unlikely that porn would just randomly start getting posted there.

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I withdraw. (1.12 / 8) (#29)
by Zombie Jesus Christ on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 09:43:04 PM EST

You sir, are an international grandmaster.

Care to take White for our next game?

Any topic of your hearts desire, posted to the Queue or a Diary!

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Mike Crawford for Clark County Commissioner
District 1 North County
mike@communard.org

Paid for by The Communard Party of Washington State


[ Parent ]
good point (3.00 / 3) (#20)
by MichaelCrotchford on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 06:18:16 PM EST

contracts can be void due to mental incompetence.

[ Parent ]
Yes, but only under certain conditions. (1.28 / 7) (#31)
by Zombie Jesus Christ on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 09:49:54 PM EST

Even the inpatiently admitted have the right to manage their own financial affairs, for example to buy and sell their own homes via postal mail or the like from a Psychiatric Intensive Care Unit.

On the other hand, people who do not appear to be in any way incompetent often are incompetent despite, say, holding down responsible jobs.

I had been contemplating something like softwareproblem.org since grad school in early 1994, but did not actually register my domain until I was writing a furious letter of resignation, not quitting my job at Sony Ericsson so much, but terminating my 1099 Sole Proprietorship with Manpower Professional for not having the G-d Given Sense that is possesed by a bloodletting fluke.

I don't recall quite when I established the Google Group, but I have a bunch of tarballs backed up and will start unrolling them then looking at them to see.  I usually include the date as part of any tarball I ever roll.

I'll be back to you soon with a range of a week or two during which I agreed to those Terms of Service.

My opening move not for you but to Google will be to send a registered letter, return receipt requested, to their corporation's Agent for Service of Process, requesting that they supply me with the ToS that actually were in force on the precise date that I readily admit that I clicked that checkbox.

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Mike Crawford for Clark County Commissioner
District 1 North County
mike@communard.org

Paid for by The Communard Party of Washington State


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What is this? I don't even....$ (none / 1) (#19)
by V on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 06:08:22 PM EST


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It's a recursively descending, infinitely branchin (1.08 / 12) (#33)
by Zombie Jesus Christ on Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 09:52:56 PM EST

-g game of Rhetorical Chess.

Please take White on any topic of your heart's desire, whether in the Queue or your Diary.

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District 1 North County
mike@communard.org

Paid for by The Communard Party of Washington State


[ Parent ]
Jesus you are such a fucking (none / 0) (#46)
by Del Griffith on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 04:56:31 PM EST

Nut job, have a jab of speed on me ( the taxpayer ) you dirty addict

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