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Microsoft source code stolen

By skim123 in MLP
Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 08:33:40 AM EST
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Seems that Microsoft was hacked and some source code was stolen. According to this ABCNews.com article, the hacker got in by emailing a program (QAZ Trojan) to a computer on Microsoft's network. There's also short blurb on WashingtonPost.com.


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Microsoft source code stolen | 27 comments (25 topical, 2 editorial, 0 hidden)
Cnet story (3.00 / 5) (#2)
by hany on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 03:08:52 AM EST

http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-3308084.html?tag=st.ne.1002.thed.ni

hany


BBC story (3.00 / 5) (#3)
by Burb on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 04:00:25 AM EST

Just to add to the MLP: BBC story

Why? (1.40 / 5) (#4)
by FeersumAsura on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 04:56:54 AM EST

My only question is why. Why would anyone want to steal buggy code? Yes it's nice exploit but it it Windows after all. If they'd cracked a decent well secured Linux box I would be much more impressed. The other bit is that the article says code was stolen while the Washington Post story has M$ claiming that no new, innovative, ground breaking and fatally buggy code has been stolen.

I'm so pre-emptive I'd nuke America to save time.
Chinese Whispers (none / 0) (#6)
by Holloway on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 06:29:05 AM EST

I've been in several IRC channels and the talk is that it's Microsoft's new thin-client OS, Microsoft.NET.

Of course, there's no proof. So ignore this.


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HA Ha ha ha hah ha.... (2.28 / 7) (#5)
by pb on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 05:27:32 AM EST

If anyone has more details about this, let me know; I find it hilarious! I couldn't make up a better fake news article if I tried, and if it's real, that would be even funnier.

Mostly, I just enjoy seeing them get bitten by their own bugs. Microsoft got cracked because someone e-mailed them an executable? Please. That's like pushing a note under someone's door that says "Unlock your door and give me your TV, please". It's pathetic that it worked...

Also, the possible innuendo of "Russian espionage" is amusing, but somewhat dated. And really, what would the Russians do with this information? Now, any decent cracker should be able get an e-mail address anywhere on the net, so this is really just extraneous information, but it's definitely a nice touch.

Here's a description of <A HREF="http://www.pchell.com/virus/qaz.shtml">the QAZ Trojan</A> program. It sounds pretty insidious, like the paranoid speculation in virus books where a program silently infects the world, just waiting to destroy all our computers...

Well, in this case, it just destroys Windows security from the inside, which isn't nearly as big a loss, but is still somewhat impressive since most of the truly successful viruses have been *very* obtrusive, lately. (Paranoid: unless there are some that we don't know about? :)

Oh, and here are the plans. Total world domination. There, I spilled the beans. Arrest me. Somehow, I like the crackers better... ;)
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Register analysis (3.00 / 1) (#7)
by Paul Johnson on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 06:33:04 AM EST

The Register analyses the question of what anyone could do with the code. It also notes that MS now have to audit all changes made over the past 3 months in case the baddies stuck a back door in.

Paul.
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This is just a conspiracy . . . (3.66 / 3) (#9)
by acceleriter on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 07:53:41 AM EST

. . . for Microsoft to be able to explain the back doors they have placed in software when the get found. Golly! There's a back door in Win2K?! Those nasty Russian Mafia people must've put that there. We'll comment that out in the next upgrade! (lame attempt at humor, but, hey, it's before 7AM here.)

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Yahoo Coverage (2.00 / 1) (#10)
by diskore on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 08:26:06 AM EST

Yahoo always has some good news coverage with lots of contextual links.



Kuro5lashdotin (none / 0) (#15)
by MonkeyMagic on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 10:05:56 AM EST

Yes, I knew this would happen eventually. There's an article on both sites and people (not just <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=00/10/27/1147248&cid=8 ">diskore) are starting to just post the same comments.

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And before... (none / 0) (#16)
by MonkeyMagic on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 10:08:03 AM EST

... anyone slags off my HTML, blame M18 not me!

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This is the second time! (none / 0) (#22)
by skim123 on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 03:44:44 PM EST

That makes two stories that I posted here first, also got posted on /. (although I was not the one to submit them). I like the fact that stories are "livelier" here, since there's no wait for Taco or Hemos to approve the story...

Just in case you were curious, those two stories were:
Microsoft Cracked
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Air-powered cars

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The next step (2.83 / 6) (#11)
by reshippie on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 09:23:12 AM EST

I'm really interested in what the crackers do next. Odds are they won't be able to extort any money from MS, they'd just get arrested very quietly in the middle of the night.

What would be REALLY cool would be to find the source for Windows and Office posted someplace. It wouldn't be up for long, but once something like that starts to spread, you can't stop it.

Maybe I'm just insane, but I'd like to have a copy, just for shits and giggles

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Why? (2.00 / 1) (#13)
by Woodblock on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 09:51:28 AM EST

Why are you so ready to break licencing. Microsoft has the right to licence it's copyrighted matierial in any way it sees fit, just like the rest of us. I'd bet dollars to donuts that you wouldn't be so happy if Microsoft used some GPL licenced code in their next version of Office and didn't release the full source.
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It's not breaking license (4.00 / 1) (#14)
by Mr. Penguin on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 10:05:11 AM EST

The dude there didn't say anything at all about using the code, just obtaining it. I haven't seen a license agreement yet that disallows anyone from looking at source code, if they can get their hands on it. If M$ wants to look at GPL code all day long and not actually use it, that's their perogative, and though IANAL, I don't think that breaks the rules.



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RE: My post you responded to (1.00 / 1) (#18)
by reshippie on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 10:30:40 AM EST

Maybe I'm just insane, but I'd like to have a copy, just for shits and giggles

I'll admit, proudly, that I am anti-MS. I'm not a terribly great , or experienced programmer, in this case I'm just taking the anarchistic view of exposing their preciously held source code. I personally wouldn't do very much with it, I just think it would be cool to have.

Those who don't know me, probably shouldn't trust me. Those who do DEFINITELY shouldn't trust me. :-)
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RE: My post you responded to (2.00 / 1) (#19)
by reshippie on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 10:30:44 AM EST

Maybe I'm just insane, but I'd like to have a copy, just for shits and giggles

I'll admit, proudly, that I am anti-MS. I'm not a terribly great , or experienced programmer, in this case I'm just taking the anarchistic view of exposing their preciously held source code. I personally wouldn't do very much with it, I just think it would be cool to have.

Those who don't know me, probably shouldn't trust me. Those who do DEFINITELY shouldn't trust me. :-)
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I'll bet.... (1.50 / 4) (#12)
by minusp on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 09:36:47 AM EST

... it was RMS, trying to see if any of Win ME source has any "Free" bits in it.... and therefore in violation of [L]GPL...

It *would* be interesting to see, though "just outa curious" as my old boss used to say.
Remember, regime change begins at home.
Nahhh (none / 0) (#17)
by hardburn on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 10:09:14 AM EST

Any half-way decent programmer who actualy looked at Windows source code would die laughing :) Microsoft has nothing to fear.


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This is NOT entirely true... (2.50 / 4) (#20)
by TheLocust on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 11:32:41 AM EST

goddamnit folks, read the entire article before POSTING it, and before VOTING for it. No one knows FOR SURE if the source code was stolen or not... also, MS hasn't said FOR SURE that it was the QAX trojan.


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the source code HAS been stolen (4.33 / 3) (#21)
by Anonymous 242 on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 01:03:02 PM EST

From the NYtimes article.

"They did in fact access the source codes,'' the company's chief executive, Steve Ballmer, said during a meeting in Stockholm. "You bet this is an issue of great importance. I can also assure you that we know that there has been no compromise of the integrity of the source codes, that it has not been tampered with in any way.''


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howdy doo! (1.33 / 3) (#23)
by drinkybear on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 05:28:51 PM EST

the only reason i wanna see M$ source code, is to see if they have any background processes running when you use windows. stuff that keeps track of a users habits, online shopping, downloads and other stuff. bet they do. then again, i'm paranoid.

Maybe they were just frustrated users... (2.33 / 3) (#24)
by itsbruce on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 06:14:02 PM EST

and they broke in to fix a few bugs on the sly.

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A fake break-in? (1.33 / 3) (#25)
by Stitch on Fri Oct 27, 2000 at 11:23:50 PM EST

What are the chances this is a slyly executed "Media manipulation move" by MS, so that the next time there's a major exploit to a MS product they can say "It was the Russian hackers, who surrepticiously(sp?) inserted this bug into our code. Damn those russkies!". It wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Why, if real, this is bad (2.00 / 2) (#26)
by Thaeus on Sat Oct 28, 2000 at 12:38:54 AM EST

Sure, on one level, it's pretty funny. The problem is that these guys could release modified versions of Microsoft programmes that have an ulterior purpose. I doubt that the functionality would be changed, but their might be a trojan horse, DoS programme, etc. hiding under the surface.

Imagine if something like that got out to the warez sites.

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Crazy question for the lawyers (1.50 / 2) (#27)
by Vetinari8 on Sun Oct 29, 2000 at 11:51:53 AM EST

Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but after this farce, won't Microsoft not have any problems suing, say, the Samba team, or the Wine team, off the bat if they feel like it? Oh sure, you could say "First you need evidence they read it, and they make an effort to not read anything like that"; but M$ could say, "Well, it's on the net, and anyone knows all these hackers work together." All it would take is one stupid judge and we're off to major litigation. The case probably wouldn't wash in the end, but it's still extremely, extremely annoying.

And it's not like your average USA'ian knows what the hell is going on, and I say that as a US citizen. The media here doesn't either. My non-technical friends believe Linux is an illegal operating system. I don't want to know what other non-technicals believe, apart from "Duh, what's Linux?"

But IANAL. Is there someone here who is?

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