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Adobe's SVG viewer for Netscape/Linux?

By Dacta in MLP
Tue Nov 28, 2000 at 06:15:51 AM EST
Tags: Software (all tags)

XMLHack has a story about Adobe's position on the release of their SVG viewer for Linux or for Netscape 6 (it is currently available for Windows and the Macintosh).

Essentially, their position appears to be "we haven't decided our position, yet."

For those of you who aren't aware of SVG, it is the W3C's recomendation for XML based Scalable Vector Graphics. It is important becuase of the huge number of potential applications it has. Not only is it a potential standards based replacement for Flash, but it allows entirly new things to be done. For instance, because it is XML based, it is possible, (in theory at least) to use an XSL stylesheet to convert data in an XML document into a graphical representation of that data, without resorting to writing code.

For a look at a (fairly trivial) example of this, look at the antarcti.ca webmap, which produces SVG maps of the web from the DMoz RDF dumps (This site was featured on Slashdot a couple of weeks ago).

It is important to note that this site only works in IE. That isn't because of ignorance on the part of the site's designers - it was designed that way because only IE currently has SVG support. Unless something changes, more sites will be forced to go that way because of the technology lead IE has over Netscape. Having Adobe's SVG viewer available for Netscape would help combat this vendor lock-in.

Here's some further MLPs on SVG:


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Adobe's SVG viewer for Netscape/Linux? | 6 comments (6 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Replacing flash (3.66 / 3) (#1)
by enterfornone on Tue Nov 28, 2000 at 01:52:31 AM EST

PNG is now supported everywhere, but GIF is still more widely used. Even if SVG became standard in all browsers, will people give up the established non-standard of Flash?

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Flash is supported everywhere. (2.00 / 1) (#3)
by kmon on Tue Nov 28, 2000 at 02:24:32 AM EST

At the very least, Flash is supported everywhere it counts. There are plugins for Netscape and IE on Windows and the Mac, and I know there's a plugin for Netscape under Linux. I guess my question is this -- why support SVG? Flash is an open standard, in that everything anyone needs to make a Flash program (to display or create Flash files) has published and documented. SVG, as far as I know, has been "In The Works(tm)" for well over a year now.

My only question is this: Are Netscape plugins for version 4.7 or lower compatible with Netscape 6 or Mozilla?
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Re: Flash is supported "everywhere." (none / 0) (#5)
by Eliezer on Tue Nov 28, 2000 at 02:11:04 PM EST

> And I know there's a plugin for Netscape under Linux.

Binary only, for Linux/x86 only. Not LinuxPPC, or Linux/Alpha, as far as I know, or any other platform. LinuxPPC even has a Netscape 4 binary (unsupported) from Netscape, but no Flash plugin or viewer of which I am aware.

So I'd just as soon not see Flash be considered any sort of standard until there are truly free viewers (i.e., something that can be ported to other platforms at will).

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Flash is not as useful as SVG because... (none / 0) (#6)
by zerowolf on Wed Nov 29, 2000 at 03:09:10 PM EST

...SVG is not intended exclusively as a web animation format. At the moment, I'm using SVG along with XSL stylesheets to make maps and graphics on the fly from dynamic XML content. The power of SVG lies also in the fact that it's a text-based format, which means it's searchable, and that it's XML, which means it can be manipulated with any XML tool. You can't grep a map made in Flash or any other binary format for a place name - in SVG you can. Using XML tools, transformation is a cinch. I can also see possibilities with regards to image recognition-type things - you could conceivably write a text-based search to look for particular shapes. These things are what make SVG so darn cool.


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Why? (4.66 / 3) (#2)
by adamsc on Tue Nov 28, 2000 at 01:52:33 AM EST

Wouldn't all of the effort spent lobbying Adobe be better spent supporting the Mozilla SVG project, since that will be better integrated with the browser and is an open-source implementation that will run on all of the platforms Mozilla supports, instead of the big three?

Also, the antarti.ca stuff appears to be Microsoft's VML, not SVG. VML was Microsoft's attempt to build the whole thing on their own; SVG is the product of VML, Adobe's PGML and industry comments.

Duh! (aka, you're right.. I'm an idiot) (none / 0) (#4)
by Dacta on Tue Nov 28, 2000 at 03:48:46 AM EST

I feel kind of stupid. I looked at the source of the map.net page, saw lots of XML and thought "SVG". Stupid!

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