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Gaming is Good for you !

By Phage in MLP
Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 11:20:14 AM EST
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Always useful at Christmas. For those argumentative relatives who always state that computer games are fundamentally bad for you (or your kids)

Try this or the PDF of the report is here

Absolute proof that all those hours spent blowing your friends into small bleeding chunks is not only fun, but good for you too !


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Gaming is Good for you ! | 27 comments (25 topical, 2 editorial, 0 hidden)
For those who missed it... (4.25 / 8) (#1)
by enterfornone on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 12:06:14 AM EST

I mentioned this in my diary, but for the few of you that don't read that, this apparantly is being emailed around lately.
"Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if pacman affected us as kids, we'd all run around in a darkened room munching pills and listening to repetitive music..."


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Pacman ? (2.60 / 5) (#2)
by Phage on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 12:11:43 AM EST

Who could forget Sinistar ?

Now that was a classy game !

"I Hunger..."


I don't find Heathens to be sexy, as a general rule.
Canthros
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Sinistar (none / 0) (#18)
by rusty on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 01:15:31 PM EST

I never played it, but this makes me want to.

Oh, and according to Lore it said "I Live..."

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Not the real rusty
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Hear it in 3d (none / 0) (#22)
by Wah on Sat Dec 16, 2000 at 02:42:55 AM EST

Sinistar was one of those games that got the 3d generation makeover. You can download the demo here.

A pretty fun little demo. And contrary to the usually dead-on Brunching commentary, the wizard was the best character in Gauntlet.
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Fail to Obey?
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Well.... (2.33 / 3) (#10)
by Quar on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 08:36:37 AM EST

Maybe that explains the popularity of raves
</joke>

Actually Id rather see people relieve thier stress or need for violence thru a game than upon reality.

Its easier to clean up the mess, and has less negative feedback.

Quar

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Sufficiently advanced tech man not be distinguishable from magic,
but its darn well easier to fix.

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There should be a word for it... (4.33 / 3) (#12)
by Paul Crowley on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 09:52:22 AM EST

...the behaviour of following up a joke whose punchline is implicit with the punchline...
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Paul Crowley aka ciphergoth. Crypto and sex politics. Diary.
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"Cluelessness". (3.33 / 3) (#13)
by StrontiumDog on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 10:37:47 AM EST

Ah well, there goes my mojo.

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Quite Correct... (2.00 / 1) (#14)
by Quar on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 10:53:37 AM EST

All I can say is

DuH!.....

Thats what I get for trying to think before the required 3 cups of coffee.

Note that Im a white collar programer, Ive never actually been to a rave. Plenty of co-workers and roommates go all the time and we will talk about it but honestly no first hand experience. Never had the time, to much demand for embeded software.

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Neologism! (4.00 / 2) (#17)
by rusty on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 01:07:30 PM EST

I love neologism. How bout:

"punchlining the obvious"?

"obliviohumora"?

"begging the kicker"?

Damn, I can't come up with a good word for it. But you're right, there really ought to be one.

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Not the real rusty
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Good yes.. (4.20 / 5) (#3)
by locutox on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 12:13:21 AM EST

BUT!

Like everything else that's good for you it is only good in moderation. There can be no denying that gaming is addictive

In my schools computer rooms most of the computers have Quake 2 on them and it's a bloody battle just to get on one. With some of my friends that's all they ever want to do. They spend all their lunchtimes and recess's in there playing Quake 2! Nothing else. They call me a nerd cause I use a computer at home and what the hell do they do all lunch and recess?

Hmm this turned into a rant quickly eh' :)

Addiction (3.60 / 5) (#4)
by Phage on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 12:16:49 AM EST

The report does mention that games do have a highly addictive nature. But that it also wanes quickly as the skill level of the players increases.

If nothing else, therefore, you can take refuge in the fact that they probably have very poor "skillz"


I don't find Heathens to be sexy, as a general rule.
Canthros
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Quake 2 on school computers? (2.33 / 3) (#7)
by Lance on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 03:12:36 AM EST

I installed Quake 2 on a few of my high school's computers once, and it was controversial to say the least. The CS teacher immediately deleted it because the principal was giving her a hard time. Oh well, at least it gave me something to do for a couple of lunch times.

As for addiction, I find after playing Quake 3 for about an hour I have had enough. How anyone can become addicted is beyond me, I tend to get bored quickly.



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debunk? (2.40 / 5) (#5)
by Signal 11 on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 12:50:23 AM EST

Something worth thinking about - this doesn't prove a connection, nor does it disprove it. It may very well be that the pervasiveness of gaming cannot be judged because it's difficult to find a sample group of people who have not played them...

Reports like this will invariably be mistakenly assumed to "prove" something when, infact, no such proof is ever possible. The best we can do is approximate the truth...


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Society needs therapy. It's having
trouble accepting itself.

Humour (2.00 / 1) (#9)
by Phage on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 07:59:08 AM EST

Geez...So serious !
But if you want to pick this bit of fluff apart, go right ahead !


I don't find Heathens to be sexy, as a general rule.
Canthros
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Welcome to the Television-Society (2.33 / 6) (#8)
by mattc on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 03:54:21 AM EST

Whatever happened to kids playing baseball, football, war, etc with the neighbor kids? .. and people wonder why Americans (or in this case, Australians) are such fat out-of-shape slobs... Why do kids feel the need to have machines entertain them when they are perfectly capable of entertaining themselves? Have our brains so degenerated that we can't even think up simple games that our ancestors were able to?

Here's a question that is sort of related:

If you could hook your brain up to a machine or drug that provided you endless pleasure for an unlimited amount of time (with no effort on your part), would you do it?

slow down a second.. (4.00 / 1) (#11)
by ignatiusst on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 09:13:32 AM EST

Don't shoot the messenger (even if you don't like his news). Your um..topic is a different story altogether. Why not do a write-up on it and post it to k5?

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. -- Jonathan Swift
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Please enter a subject for your comment. (none / 0) (#24)
by mattc on Sun Dec 17, 2000 at 01:22:01 PM EST

Nothing against the author of the original story. I was just going off on a rant.. Maybe later I will make it into a decent story.

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of course I would (3.00 / 1) (#16)
by speek on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 12:25:01 PM EST

If you could hook your brain up to a machine or drug that provided you endless pleasure for an unlimited amount of time (with no effort on your part), would you do it?

Is this a trap? As you state it, why wouldn't I? I'm guessing your going to pull out a downside that isn't part of your original question.....

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al queda is kicking themsleves for not knowing about the levees
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Re: of course I would (none / 1) (#19)
by Sigma 7 on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 01:31:49 PM EST

Is this a trap? As you state it, why wouldn't I? I'm guessing your going to pull out a downside that isn't part of your original question.....
If you expose yourself to that machine long enough, you will get used to the pleasure, and it will eventually feel to be more normal. The effect of the machine will appear to be less potent over prolonged usage, since it is becoming part of your normal routine.

When the source of pleasure is no longer present (e.g. maching gets broken), you would have a depression caused by the absence of such pleasure.

The original statement could have been given an argument stating which side the poster would select...

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the rug is pulled out from beneath me (2.00 / 1) (#20)
by speek on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 02:01:55 PM EST

See, you ask me if I want unending pleasure, I say yes, then you say, well, you can't have it, cause it's impossible. Thanks for playing though!

Such clever arguments I've only ever seen ... elsewhere on K5 :-)

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al queda is kicking themsleves for not knowing about the levees
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Re: the rug is pulled out from beneath me (none / 1) (#21)
by Sigma 7 on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 10:28:39 PM EST

See, you ask me if I want unending pleasure,
No, that's another user. I just stated that the effect dimishes over time.

The original poster did not think his posting that well. Aside from the fact that such a machine/drug is physically impossible, the machine would not cure any of the problems surrounding you, which will cause the negative feelings to build up inside you. The result will not be healthy.

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it IS possible (3.00 / 1) (#26)
by dabadab on Mon Dec 18, 2000 at 07:01:51 AM EST

I can't see why would it be impossible.
I can recall some experiments, where rats could request either food or an impulse to their brains' pleasure center. Of course, the rats starved to death, but man, were they happy! :)
[and we are not talking about some coke, it is something that you would be high on 7/24, probably not aware of your surroundings, so you would not have any problems]
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Real life is overrated.
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response (none / 0) (#25)
by mattc on Sun Dec 17, 2000 at 01:38:54 PM EST

Really it is a question of what someone feels the purpose of their life is.. so there will be many different answers and no "right" answers. If the goal of someone's life is to obtain pleasure, then they'd certainly answer yes. Another person might not agree to it because they feel the most important thing in life is discovering truth (whether positive or negative) or perhaps another person would say the purpose of their life is serving a god, or another person might say that it is more important to die for their country than search for endless pleasure.. etc.

I don't have an answer to that question because I am largely undecided on it, I guess. But if my past is any record, pleasure is only a secondary goal for me. If I had a "correct" answer I would have given it.

There is also the quote "better Socrates dissatisfied than a pig satisfied" -- a sort of statement that there is a higher quality of pleasure in intellectual anguish than in simple happiness. I generally disagree with this point of view.

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it is pleasure (none / 0) (#27)
by speek on Mon Dec 18, 2000 at 11:02:12 AM EST

My take on it is that we all want pleasure, and that it is always primary. What gives us pleasure, however, is a complicated thing. If intellectual anguish is what gives you pleasure, than your lifestyle is going to differ from a hedonist.

You're original question just hid all the complexities of the question of "what is pleasure", so, it led to an obvious, logical answer, that has no bearing on reality.

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al queda is kicking themsleves for not knowing about the levees
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Violent Media is Good for Kids (4.00 / 3) (#23)
by Wah on Sat Dec 16, 2000 at 02:49:00 AM EST

Mother Jones ran this article last summer

I might have picked this up on /. (one gathers so many links these days) so it might be a retread, but there ya go.
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