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By priestess in MLP
Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 09:41:48 AM EST
Tags: Politics (all tags)
Politics

The BBC is running a story about Perth and Kinross council who have made a ruling that schools in it's district must ban parents from filming or photographing their schools christmas concert.

The reason? "film could get into the hands of paedophiles."


Apparently they're not sure what legal jusfitication they might have, either the Data Protection Act or the Human Rights Act, or maybe they do not have the power to enforce the ban.

If I wasn't laughing so hard, I'd probably cry.

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Filming school nativity is dangerous because:
o Paedophiles might get to see the virgin mary 7%
o It'll just embarass the kids when they're older 36%
o It's even more dull than actually being there 47%
o What chu talking about Willis? 8%

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Paedonoia | 27 comments (27 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard! (3.25 / 12) (#1)
by pb on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 06:32:45 AM EST

Dear government: please protect us from ourselves.

I want to hide my children and live in fear. Thank you for keeping us safe.
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You might be laughing, but... (4.21 / 14) (#2)
by garethwi on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 06:34:22 AM EST

...my blood is boiling here. I am British (but have been living abroad for some years), and I think that this is a typical knee-jerk reaction to a problem which is so small it might as well not exist.

I am a parent myself, and the thought of one of my kids being mistreated by perverts is one of the worst things I can imagine, but lets get a sense of perspective here.

If a paedophile wants to see videos of children in a non-sexual environment, then he or she only has to look at the television while the schools programmes are being broadcast, or during something like Grange Hill (British childrens soap opera).

To ban parents from having a permanent record of their childrens lives is just plain cruel and typical of todays overcompensating society.


Deja Vu (4.44 / 9) (#3)
by tumeric on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 06:59:15 AM EST

A few years ago there was a similar fuss about occult/ritual abuse that turned out to be nonsense. Anyone care to bet on what the next fad will be?

ban ALL filming and photographing of ALL children (3.37 / 8) (#4)
by hany on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 07:16:36 AM EST

Ban ALL filming and photographing of ALL children!!!

It's far easier to prove and far easier to enforce if ALL filming and photographing of children is illegal.

And as I'm thinking about this subject, what about making ANY photography or filming activity illegal? Or even better outlaw all camera and media producers so no one can buy cameras? After all, with all that stuff around, malicious pedophiles, facists, pornographers, comunists, dictators, terorists, ... can easily create dangerous photos and films!

...

Well ... this is like Alice in wonderland. Or maybe even worser. :/


hany


Wrong angle (4.88 / 9) (#7)
by Rand Race on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 08:31:37 AM EST

All that is too difficult to enforce. The obvious solution is to ban children.


"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather than that of blindfolded Fear." - Thomas Jefferson
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I've a better idea... (5.00 / 4) (#17)
by Alarmist on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 01:03:10 PM EST

BAN CHILDREN!

It's for their own good, really. If there are no children, then the pedophiles will have no more helpless victims, no one else to torment. Sure, the world population will take a nosedive, but is that too high a price to pay to keep our children safe?

I'm not laughing, I'm just disgusted.


[ Parent ]

Tell me this is not real..! (3.62 / 8) (#5)
by Foul_Irony on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 08:15:01 AM EST

It seems to me that the logical solution is to remove children from society until they are old enough to become pedophiles!

But why should the criminal get to do whatever they want, whereas all victims, or more acuratly, potential victims, are barred from doing anything!

Hopefully, someone will tell society what they don't want to hear, that most of the evil characters are MUCH closer than they want to admit, be it someones Father, Brother, Mother(yes, women can be pedo's as well!) workmate etc. and the same can be said for every other of society's taboos (racists, thugs, spouse hitters etc!)and its always going to be like that!




Overreaction as usual (2.88 / 9) (#6)
by Nickus on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 08:15:14 AM EST

Paedophiles are ofcourse a problem but this happens always when the general public reacts hysterical. They see paedohiles everywhere and the media is out on its usual witchhunt.

I wonder if there will be a day when newsmedia starts to report news in a responsible way.



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Good idea, bad reason (3.28 / 7) (#8)
by schporto on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 08:47:10 AM EST

OK I'll take the unpopular opinion here...

I like the idea that cameras were banned from children's plays. This is great. Unfortunately I really don't like the reason they give. Yes it could get in the hands of a paedophile, but so could any other picture or film. Better ban class pictures, the yearbook, and sports game films.
No the real reason this is a good thing is that all these damn parents with their cameras get in the way. They film it and take pictures and block your view and make a nusience of themselves with the whirring and whining of their electronics as they snap pictures of little Johny and imagine how wonderful the play is. DAMNIT just enjoy the show. Enjoy what they're doing. Enjoy the moment. Don't bother other people just because you want to film it. Don't bug others. Don't make little Johnny sit through your attrocious filming.

OK sorry its a raw nerve. And yes I can say this cuz I don't have kids. I think I'll feel the same way when I do though.
-cpd

Could be worse... (3.80 / 5) (#10)
by titus-g on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 09:23:28 AM EST

When I was at school, in Perth and Kinross funnily enough, Video Cameras weren't common, if they were publically available at all.

Being blinded by random flashes is way worse.

This whole article is kinda surreal for me though, this is the last place I'd have seen something like that happening.

The tabloids have a lot to answer for...




--"Essentially madness is like charity, it begins at home" --
[ Parent ]

Compromise solution (none / 0) (#26)
by driptray on Sun Dec 17, 2000 at 09:27:01 PM EST

No the real reason this is a good thing is that all these damn parents with their cameras get in the way. They film it and take pictures and block your view and make a nusience of themselves with the whirring and whining of their electronics as they snap pictures of little Johny and imagine how wonderful the play is.

I just attended my 5 year old daughter's end of year school performance here in Japan. The back row of the theatre was lined with video cameras on tripods. The stereotype of the Japanese love affair with cameras reaches ridiculous heights when it comes to documenting their children's lives.

Thankfully, the parents are restricted to filming from the back row. In addition, there is a professional video created of the whole performance which sells very well to the parents.

Internet access is only just coming into the radar of most Japanese people now, and access is not nearly as widespread as in the west. But you can buy schoolgirl porn in the convenience stores.


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They Win (4.18 / 11) (#9)
by reshippie on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 09:12:33 AM EST

By giving in to the fear of pedophiles, we let them have control over ourselves. They don't want pictures of kids on the internet, because they could be manipulated into pornography. Gimme a break!! And the part about not showing kids in any state of "undress", pretty soon there will be no pictures or video at summer camp or the beach.

Somebody has brought up a legitimate concern about parents documenting school events, that they often ignore common courtesy to others. Cameras should be restricted to the back row of the theater. I know, from having done acting at school, that having someone in the front row with a camera is extremely distracting. If they can't get a good shot from the back row, well, get a better camera.
</rant>

Those who don't know me, probably shouldn't trust me. Those who do DEFINITELY shouldn't trust me. :-)

Distracting cameras. (4.75 / 4) (#11)
by squigly on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 09:24:14 AM EST

A good shot from the back often requires a very good camera. The typical 85mm zoom on a 35mm or APS compact will often not be sufficient without a short hall or a wide stage. SLR's are expensive. A telephoto lens for and SLR would cost you more than most people spend on their entire camera.

Its a perfectly legitimate complaint, but your proposed solution is inconvenient and likely to get quite a lot of complaints. "What!? I have to spend 300 on a new camera just to watch my son/daughter perform!!??". Telling them that they should have more courtesy wouldn't get you very far with irate parents who feel that you're some petty beaurocrat whose desperate to step on their rights.

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A solution: (5.00 / 2) (#15)
by Michael Leuchtenburg on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 10:54:45 AM EST

Have the school record it, and sell copies at a small markup. That's what my previous HS did. They already have good cameras, for cinema courses, so they can get good video from the back. Problem solved!

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My kid (5.00 / 2) (#16)
by Nickus on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 11:20:23 AM EST

If I had a kid I would like him/her to be on the video not just some general presentation from the school.

And then if we go into paranoia mode, perhaps the school will start to censor the video and just show people which are decent dressed. Perhaps your kid won't be shown because the dress is one inch to short according to some stubborn principal. But this is only in paranoia-mode and I very seldom live in it :-)



Due to budget cuts, light at end of tunnel will be out. --Unknown
[ Parent ]
nope, they should learn some basic photography (none / 0) (#25)
by odaiwai on Sun Dec 17, 2000 at 09:17:31 PM EST

It could be possible for the school photography teacher (or an interested member of staff) to provide some simple instruction on taking photos without the flash. It's not difficult: just turn the flash off and find somewhere relatively steady to put your camera. Stages can be surprisingly bright anyway and you can get away with handholding (i.e. no tripod) for a typical stage with 400 or 800 ASA film.

Flashes have their uses, of course, but it's the height of bad manners to use them when someone's trying to perform. Also the flash on a little point'n'shoot type camera won't have a very good range.

dave
-- "They're chefs! Chefs with chainsaws!"
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Surely not... (4.38 / 13) (#12)
by ignatiusst on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 09:30:18 AM EST

I do not know what the legal system is like in Scotland, but surely it doesn't allow this level of absurdity??

Anyway, the story quoted above goes on to say "Perth and Kinross Council, which is responsible for 88 schools in all, says it does not have the power to enforce the ban."

So, in the same spirit, I would like to propose a few bans of my own:

  • Rusty can no longer delete my posts, even if he considers them "spam"
  • k5'ers can no longer refer to Slashdot as "that other site"... They must now refer to it as "The site that Malda built"
  • Anyone offended by my posts will immediately give me +5 for putting a spark in their otherwise boring day

Anyone else?

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. -- Jonathan Swift

Here's your +5 (2.00 / 5) (#13)
by DontTreadOnMe on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 09:43:21 AM EST

OK, your post wasn't offensive, but it did put a spark in my day. :-)
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lol (3.00 / 6) (#14)
by rusty on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 09:52:17 AM EST

I was going to delete this, just to make your point, but then, that'd only be funny to me and you. So, unfortunately, I'm stuck. ;-)

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Assinine logic yet again (3.20 / 5) (#18)
by danimal on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 02:18:28 PM EST

This is like banning spray paint to stop grafitti. It just doesn't work. It still amazes me that governments want to protect people from their own actions. What a bunch of wankers.
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<tin> we got hosed, tommy
<toy> clapclapclap
<tin> we got hosed

Already done. (none / 0) (#24)
by Holloway on Sun Dec 17, 2000 at 08:16:58 PM EST

In New Zealand they don't allow youth to buy spray paint (under 16, I believe). It was for reasons of sniffing the aerosol too, though.


== Human's wear pants, if they don't wear pants they stand out in a crowd. But if a monkey didn't wear pants it would be anonymous

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paedophiles are the witches of the 21 century... (3.90 / 10) (#19)
by joto on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 04:24:45 PM EST

MONKS: [chanting]
Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem.
[bonk]
Pie Iesu domine,...
[bonk]
...dona eis requiem.
[bonk]
Pie Iesu domine,...
[bonk]
...dona eis requiem.
CROWD:
A paedophile! A paedophile!
[bonk]
A paedophile! A paedophile!
MONKS: [chanting]
Pie Iesu domine...
CROWD:
A paedophile! A paedophile! A paedophile! A paedophile! We've found a paedophile! A paedophile! A paedophile! A paedophile! A paedophile! We've got a paedophile! A
paedophile! A paedophile! Burn him! Burn him!
Burn him! We've found a paedophile! We've found a paedophile! A paedophile! A paedophile! A paedophile!
VILLAGER #1:
We have found a paedophile. May we burn him?
CROWD:
Burn him! Burn! Burn him! Burn him!
BEDEVERE:
How do you know he is a paedophile?
VILLAGER #2:
He looks like one.
CROWD:
Right! Yeah! Yeah!
BEDEVERE:
Bring him forward.
PAEDOPHILE:
I'm not a paedophile. I'm not a paedophile.
BEDEVERE:
Uh, but you are dressed as one.
PAEDOPHILE:
They dressed me up like this.
CROWD:
Augh, we didn't! We didn't...
PAEDOPHILE:
And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.
BEDEVERE:
Well?
VILLAGER #1:
Well, we did do the nose.
BEDEVERE:
The nose?
VILLAGER #1:
And the hat, but he is a paedophile!
VILLAGER #2:
Yeah!
CROWD:
We burn him! Right! Yeaaah! Yeaah!
BEDEVERE:
Did you dress him up like this?
VILLAGER #1:
No!
VILLAGER #2 and 3:
No. No.
VILLAGER #2:
No.
VILLAGER #1:
No.
VILLAGERS #2 and #3:
No.
VILLAGER #1:
Yes.
VILLAGER #2:
Yes.
VILLAGER #1:
Yes. Yeah, a bit.
VILLAGER #3:
A bit.
VILLAGERS #1 and #2:
A bit.
VILLAGER #3:
A bit.
VILLAGER #1:
He has got a wart.
RANDOM:
[cough]
BEDEVERE:
What makes you think he is a paedophile?
VILLAGER #3:
Well, he turned me into a newt.
BEDEVERE:
A newt?
VILLAGER #3:
I got better.
VILLAGER #2:
Burn him anyway!
VILLAGER #1:
Burn!
CROWD:
Burn him! Burn! Burn him!...
BEDEVERE:
Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether he is a paedophile.
VILLAGER #1:
Are there?
VILLAGER #2:
Ah?
VILLAGER #1:
What are they?
CROWD:
Tell us! Tell us!...
VILLAGER #2:
Do they hurt?
BEDEVERE:
Tell me. What do you do with paedophilees?
VILLAGER #2:
Burn!
VILLAGER #1:
Burn!
CROWD:
Burn! Burn them up! Burn!...
BEDEVERE:
And what do you burn apart from paedophilees?
VILLAGER #1:
More paedophilees!
VILLAGER #3:
Shh!
VILLAGER #2:
Wood!
BEDEVERE:
So, why do paedophilees burn?
[pause]
VILLAGER #3:
B--... 'cause they're made of... wood?
BEDEVERE:
Good! Heh heh.
CROWD:
Oh, yeah. Oh.
BEDEVERE:
So, how do we tell whether he is made of wood?
VILLAGER #1:
Build a bridge out of him.
BEDEVERE:
Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?
VILLAGER #1:
Oh, yeah.
RANDOM:
Oh, yeah. True. Uhh...
BEDEVERE:
Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #1:
No. No.
VILLAGER #2:
No, it floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1:
Throw him into the pond!
CROWD:
The pond! Throw him into the pond!
BEDEVERE:
What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1:
Bread!
VILLAGER #2:
Apples!
VILLAGER #3:
Uh, very small rocks!
VILLAGER #1:
Cider!
VILLAGER #2:
Uh, gra-- gravy!
VILLAGER #1:
Cherries!
VILLAGER #2:
Mud!
VILLAGER #3:
Uh, churches! Churches!
VILLAGER #2:
Lead! Lead!
ARTHUR:
A duck!
CROWD:
Oooh.
BEDEVERE:
Exactly. So, logically...
VILLAGER #1:
If... he... weighs... the same as a duck,... he's made of wood.
BEDEVERE:
And therefore?
VILLAGER #2:
A paedophile!
VILLAGER #1:
A paedophile!
CROWD:
A paedophile! A paedophile!...
VILLAGER #4:
Here is a duck. Use this duck.
[quack quack quack]
BEDEVERE:
Very good. We shall use my largest scales.
CROWD:
Ohh! Ohh! Burn the paedophile! Burn the paedophile! Burn him! Burn him! Burn him! Burn him! Burn him! Burn him! Burn him! Ahh!
Ahh...
BEDEVERE:
Right. Remove the supports!
[whop]
[clunk]
[creak]
CROWD:
A paedophile! A paedophile! A paedophile!
PAEDOPHILE:
It's a fair cop.
VILLAGER #3:
Burn him!
CROWD:
Burn him! Burn him! Burn him! Burn! Burn!...
BEDEVERE:
Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?
ARTHUR:
I am Arthur, King of the Britons.

I didn't know (3.00 / 2) (#20)
by metachimp on Fri Dec 15, 2000 at 05:34:34 PM EST

I didn't know Scotland had so many pedophiles. I dunno, when I was living there, I didn't notice any more than the normal amount of pedophiles that one would naturally expect to find in any British municipality. Maybe in Glasgow, sure, mainly because they don't even speak English there, but Perth and Kinross, man, don't raise kids there...

This disturbs me... (4.50 / 2) (#21)
by nurglich on Sat Dec 16, 2000 at 01:28:50 PM EST

So if the pageant is acknowledged paedophilia, as is implied, what does that make the parents that actually attend it?

------------------------------------------
"There are no bad guys or innocent guys. There's just a bunch of guys!" --Ben Stiller, Zero Effect

Pedophile Play? (3.50 / 2) (#22)
by Seumas on Sat Dec 16, 2000 at 01:42:31 PM EST

Maybe I'm missing something here, but what is a school doing putting on a play that could be sexualized by a pedophile? What, are all the kids playing reigndeer wearing bikini's and oiled up?

If the school districts are producing plays with young children in them that could be consumed by pedophiles in a sexual way, then perhaps they should reconsider the play they're putting on.

The Man Show has women jumping on trampolines in skimpy clothing and it's likely that it could give a lot of men a woody. But likewise, just because Lesie Meyers is a woman doesn't mean you get a hard-on every time you watch MSNBC's news-coverage.
--
I just read K5 for the articles.

my god (3.00 / 2) (#23)
by el_guapo on Sat Dec 16, 2000 at 04:51:10 PM EST

just when i thought the word "pedophile" couldn't be more abused....(not the comments). it amazes me how many rights we're willing to give up for the cause of "protecting our children".
mas cerveza, por favor mirrors, manifestos, etc.
Panic over pedophilia serves a purpose (none / 0) (#27)
by driptray on Sun Dec 17, 2000 at 10:50:13 PM EST

I've said it before in this comment, but the panic over pedophilia is fundamentally misdirected. This misdirection serves a purpose. By demonising "the internet", and strangers in general, people are able to avoid looking closer to home (maybe at themselves) for the real perpetrators.

Blame the outsider, whether it be the stranger lurking on the internet or in the playground. Its psychologically easier than facing the reality.


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We brought the disasters. The alcohol. We committed the murders. - Paul Keating
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