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By digger in MLP
Tue Jan 23, 2001 at 09:23:06 AM EST
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A rich and detailed analysis of all aspects of the huge "collaborative database" that is Everything2 has been posted to the Everything 2 site itself. In particular, this section on the Everything 2 community may be of interest to the K5 community.


Over the past few weeks Everything2 has been in the limelight with an article on /. and a mention in the New York Times (registration may be required).

Everything 2 seems to be experiencing some growing pains: the work of the Editors in maintaining the quality and coherence of the site has led to dissatisfaction amongst some of the users and accusations of inappropriate deletion of users' writeups. One user (by no means a novice) was expelled and banned from the site.

How does one create and maintain a site whose content comes from a wider community without "losing touch" and stifling creative contributions?

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About Community | 15 comments (9 topical, 6 editorial, 0 hidden)
Banned? (3.66 / 3) (#2)
by fvw on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 06:36:16 PM EST

A user has been banned from e2? Got any links for that? e2 search didn't turn up anything relevant...

re: Banned User (4.00 / 1) (#5)
by ism on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 09:33:10 PM EST

Check Dman's homenode. I'd also suggest doing a User Search for his writeups, so you can get a better look at the type of things he wrote up (and there's a nice variety).

I had a casual acquaintance with Dman, and never saw any of the alleged hostilities firsthand. Of course, I never really got on his bad side, so I tend to take the editors' words as fact. The thing that really bothered me the most was that he did seem to get a lot of flack purely because he was Dman; his writeups, no matter how well-written, would be downvoted and lambasted. On purely factual writeups, a falsity is rightly downvoted. However, subjective nodes tend to follow the slashdot model - get rewarded for preaching to the choir, downvoted for posing an unpopular perspective.

Now, the reason given for his banning was his constant abuse. I'm willing to accept that. There are others with the same opinions as him, though not as vocal, and they are still there. However, I think it put a lot of people on edge; it sticks in the back of their mind every time they hit the "sumbit" button. I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

i'm ism on e2 as well.

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thnx (none / 0) (#6)
by fvw on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 10:40:18 PM EST

DMan? I'm shocked. I knew he wasn't popular with everyone, but I haven't seen any truely destructive behaviour... Oh well, guess I'm only a very lowly e2er. What I find interesting btw is this:

Permission Denied

You don't have access to that node.

Tough beans.
now _that_ is bad for a community...

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theme settings? (none / 0) (#7)
by ism on Sun Jan 21, 2001 at 11:46:42 PM EST

i think blockstackers is working on a skinnable/themable infrastructure to e2, so if what you sent me has to do with that, it might be being phased out. there's a lot of stuff the developers need to see, but not the average user.

if you're talking about the error message itself, i think it's kinda humourous.

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nope (none / 0) (#12)
by fvw on Mon Jan 22, 2001 at 02:44:37 PM EST

I didn't mean the message, that's fine. However, what worries me a bit is that normal users don't have access to this node. This wouldn't be skin-related (isn't e2 skinnable already?), since it's either there (let me at it) or it isn't (let me create it).

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Heh... (5.00 / 1) (#14)
by WWWWolf on Tue Jan 23, 2001 at 11:18:19 AM EST

I didn't mean the message, that's fine. However, what worries me a bit is that normal users don't have access to this node.

Well, does it bother you then that you don't have access to Rusty's s00per-sekrit comment nuking page and pizza order and retrieval system? =)

Some nodes that embody some strange concept like a theme or some administratory function may be protected just because of this.

I mean, it would pretty silly for normal user to create a node titled "Welcome to Everything" and then give annoying "Duplicates found: Welcome to Everything (e2node) and Welcome to Everything (superdoc)" each time they go to the front page?

-- Weyfour WWWWolf, a lupine technomancer from the cold north...


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Fair point (none / 0) (#15)
by fvw on Wed Jan 24, 2001 at 03:16:40 PM EST

You're of course right, I don't need access to rusties secret files. (Which doesn't mean I don't want it :-) ). However, This looks like a) it's a gap in nodespace in an illogical place b) It's a removal of user-generated content, while not going through the normally advertised nuke-request mechanism... That admins are hiding that kind of stuff is a little bit of an e2-turnoff for me...

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Broken link... (4.00 / 1) (#13)
by WWWWolf on Tue Jan 23, 2001 at 11:07:05 AM EST

Well, try this link instead... =)

-- Weyfour WWWWolf, a lupine technomancer from the cold north...


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reminds me of... (3.00 / 1) (#11)
by ODiV on Mon Jan 22, 2001 at 12:28:16 PM EST

"The thing that really bothered me the most was that he did seem to get a lot of flack purely because he was Dman"

Sounds like Signal 11.

Although I haven't seen much of it lately, so either we've gotten over it or I don't pay as much attention.


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