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Sun and Microsoft settle Java case

By Friendless in MLP
Thu Jan 25, 2001 at 04:08:15 PM EST
Tags: News (all tags)

As an avid Java programmer and Microsoft hater, I have been waiting to hear the outcome of Sun's case against Microsoft for trying to corrupt Java. Sadly, rather than ending in Bill's batteries going flat and Microsoft's Visual Basic storeroom burning down, it has fizzled out in a sad case of plea bargaining.

Sun's story Microsoft's story Settlement agreement

The essence of the agreement seems to be that Microsoft has to give Sun $20 million, which is a curiously irrelevant amount for Microsoft. Microsoft is allowed to keep selling existing "Java" products for 7 years, but can't make any new ones.

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It seems to me that Microsoft must be very confident of its .NET initiative, to give up on Java in such a way. As a Linux fan, I think that's a foolish strategy, but who am I to do Microsoft's market research for them?


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Microsoft should:
o do what Sun says 10%
o give up now 17%
o put Windows on Linux 10%
o continue to dominate the world 8%
o buy Sun 7%
o buy Dubya 45%

Votes: 95
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Sun and Microsoft settle Java case | 16 comments (6 topical, 10 editorial, 0 hidden)
7 years (3.00 / 5) (#2)
by rebelcool on Tue Jan 23, 2001 at 11:30:02 PM EST

7 years ago java wasnt a blip on anyone's screen. 7 years from now something new and better will probably be in use. I'm voting this down just because of the "im and avid microsoft hater" and "vb storeroom should burn down"..not because i disagree, but just because they offer nothing but inflammation to the story.

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Poll Results (5.00 / 1) (#12)
by mesh on Thu Jan 25, 2001 at 10:30:45 AM EST

It seems interesting that the "buy dubya" option is currently leading the poll. I guess its the most true.

Options (none / 0) (#13)
by Devil Ducky on Thu Jan 25, 2001 at 03:19:34 PM EST

That's just the option that means the least to us.

As a community we are voting to buy him, he can't pronounce Micorosoft (he can't even pronounce 'W') so how would he promote it?

In all actuallity though, M$ doesn't see Sun as a competitor (with the exception of Java) and they don't need to buy Dubya he's giving himself freely.

And I haven't even read the rest of the options yet...

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Waiting (3.00 / 2) (#14)
by Devil Ducky on Thu Jan 25, 2001 at 03:29:58 PM EST

I've been waiting for a Microsoft story to come along that wasn't too flaming so I could get my views out in a responsible, and calm enviornment. This isn't that story, but if I wait any longer I'm going to forget my views.

Who cares about Java? Sure, it was illegal the way M$ used it, but few cared. I don't even have Java installed. The court case that mattered was the soon to be won by M$ case, DOJ vs. Microsoft.

The only reason that one mattered was not because the DOJ would win (all it takes is a republican president for that hope to be gone) but because the public would be alerted to the goings-ons of M$. I now get fewer strange looks, and questions like "You hate Microsoft? How, they make such nice programs? How can you hate the paperclip guy?" etc... So the case worked. The public now sees the true colors of the evil-empire.

I also no longer have to hear "I would stop using Windows if only there were an option," thanks to Mr. Gates' public statement "Linux is a major competitor to Windows." Now all I have to hear is "So how does Linux work?, Which distribution should I use? (If you have to ask, Redhat), My pants are on fire!, So when is Linux going to get a journaling file system?" Only one of those questions I can't answer...

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Java and .NET (none / 0) (#15)
by SlydeRule on Fri Jan 26, 2001 at 02:37:08 AM EST

It seems to me that Microsoft must be very confident of its .NET initiative, to give up on Java in such a way.
Well, it's not like they have much of a choice. The settlement effectively blocks Microsoft from doing anything with Java except shipping their aging JVM, and rereleasing their many-years-out-of-date Visual J++. They can't even legally use the name "Java". Current plans are that MSIE 6 will not have a JVM.
Sadly, rather than ending in ... Microsoft's Visual Basic storeroom burning down ...
Perhaps you'll feel better knowing that in order to accomodate .NET, Microsoft is radically changing Visual Basic, and the VB programmers seem to be rather upset.

Is this really so good for Sun? (none / 0) (#16)
by dbarker on Fri Jan 26, 2001 at 10:18:32 AM EST

I know this may seem like an odd thing to be saying, but won't this hurt sun & java more than anything? Whilst the MS virtual machine isn't exactly perfect, it did at least let a few people play with some java programs, and so a few people downloaded and learnt it to produce their own applets for web pages (giving the popular impression that it is a programming language only for the web). I can't see many modem users (here in the UK at least) wanting to download the jvm just to play asteroids in an applet. And if it's no longer seen as the programming language of the web after the loss of the MS VM, I can't see many employers regarding it as one of those essential skills required for a job in the IT industry, leaving it behind as a sluggish memory best forgotten... MS probably thinks that buying the death of java for just $20 million is a bargain!
Dave :)
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