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The Sesame street connection

By delmoi in MLP
Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 01:25:29 PM EST
Tags: Culture (all tags)
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Take a close look at this image (especialy behind Osama's ear in the poster). and then take a look at this one as well. Does this prove once and for all that bert is evil?


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o Bert 8%
o Ernie 6%
o Big Bird 1%
o Elmo 6%
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The Sesame street connection | 48 comments (44 topical, 4 editorial, 0 hidden)
Amazing... (3.20 / 5) (#1)
by Nachtfalke on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 04:42:35 AM EST

OK, now I just want to know, how the hell Bert got on the poster.

Re: Amazing... (2.80 / 5) (#2)
by jobi on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 04:49:51 AM EST

Photoshop? The Gimp? Paint Shop Pro? Illustrator?
Yes, it would be interesting to know which tool they used to doctor that image.

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"[Y]ou can lecture me on bad language when you learn to use a fucking apostrophe."
[ Parent ]
funky (3.00 / 3) (#4)
by MugginsM on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 04:56:15 AM EST

>Yes, it would be interesting to know which tool they used to doctor that image.

Not only that, but get it on a serious news site.

- MugginsM

[ Parent ]
Oh that'd be *GREAT* publicity... (5.00 / 1) (#43)
by odaiwai on Fri Oct 12, 2001 at 01:09:44 AM EST

Al'Lah hu Akhbar! Al'Lah hu Akhbar!
Al'Gimp hu Akhbar! Al'Gimp hu Akhbar!
<footage of Osama Bin Laden sitting in desert talking into microphone with his spokesman and that Egyptian guy>
Translator's voice: Yes, I use the Gimp all the time. It's very good and it's support for making large posters is unsurpassed. Support for Arabic text is good too.
<camera switches to bearded Egyptian guy>
Trans: Yes, all of us here in the Taleban use Linux-based systems, they're more robust and survive the inevitable bombings.
All: Al'Linux hu Akhbar!
Aside from ObL: but not after that kernel 2.4.11 fiasco. A fatwa! A fatwa!

subtitle: this advert sponsored by Microsoft, a good AMERICAN software company. Oh say can you see...

dave "and what about rms? he's got a beard so that makes him a muslim! but only if he floats, of course."
-- "They're chefs! Chefs with chainsaws!"
[ Parent ]
What I would like to know... (3.00 / 2) (#6)
by HiQ on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 05:25:27 AM EST

How you get something on a poster is one question, but how does dis end up in a newspaper is a much bigger question. Although very funny (I have been following the 'Bert is Evil' site for a long time), I think that photo's like this don't belong in an official newspaper.

[ Parent ]
Why not? (4.00 / 2) (#22)
by FriedLinguini on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 01:28:36 PM EST

It's what the protestors were carrying...

[ Parent ]
The answer to your question (4.50 / 2) (#14)
by codemonkey_uk on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 10:00:30 AM EST

Read: This thread. Looks like Someone did a "funny" picture, which somehow got included in a photo montage which was subsiquently used "for real", and has appeared in photos of protests.

I wonder what the origanal artist thinks...
---
Thad
"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell
[ Parent ]

What the original artists thinks. (none / 0) (#47)
by jolly st nick on Fri Oct 12, 2001 at 11:11:39 PM EST

If he's smart, what the original artist will be thinking right now is "I hope nobody traces that damned picture back to me."

Y'know, one test of sanity I've always had is this: can the individual in question laugh at himself? Somehow I can't imagine Osama looking at this picture and chuckling "Haha! They sure got me there!"

[ Parent ]

And when... (4.25 / 4) (#17)
by b1t r0t on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 11:17:04 AM EST

And when is someone going to replace Bert with The Tourist from that hoax WTC photo?

-- Indymedia: the fanfiction.net of journalism.
[ Parent ]
FARK.com (4.50 / 2) (#30)
by J'raxis on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 06:18:11 PM EST

Here you go, from FARK.com.

— The Farking Raxis

[ J’raxis·Com | Liberty in your lifetime ]
[ Parent ]

Evil Bert & Osama (4.25 / 4) (#21)
by Scrutinizer on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 01:01:17 PM EST

Somebody had built a pic of Bert & OBL, and put it up on the net. OBL's net-cruisers found it, and used it as part of their posters.

End of mystery.

[ Parent ]
Funniest MLP EVER! (3.50 / 4) (#3)
by duxup on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 04:50:43 AM EST



Write in vote: (4.00 / 4) (#5)
by duxup on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 05:17:28 AM EST

Honkers

NOT DOCTORED (4.00 / 10) (#7)
by DarkZero on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 05:30:02 AM EST

To those of you that are, y'know, a little slow... those were two legitimate news sites, and the Yahoo one was an official picture courtesy of Reuters which is probably being sent to newspapers around the world. These pictures are thus NOT DOCTORED, but instead very real, much like the pictures of a cloud of smoke resembling the face of Satan appearing in an Associated Press article.

Definitely +1. So odd and so real...



Comprehensive Muppet Listing (3.25 / 4) (#8)
by itsbruce on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 05:44:47 AM EST

www.netspace.org/~dmacks/pub/muppets/comprehensive_muppet_listing


--I unfortunately do not know how to turn cheese into gold.

More comprehensive listing: (3.00 / 2) (#16)
by Ludwig on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 10:11:20 AM EST

http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~csilvers/muppet-characters.html

[ Parent ]
+1, FP (4.30 / 13) (#9)
by DesiredUsername on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 08:44:34 AM EST

Although it was pretty close. Bert isn't evil, Bert ROCKS. Sure, he's a little grumpy--but wouldn't you be if you lived with Ernie? I mean, the guy puts empty milk cartons in a window box. He makes a sculpture of his best friend and then rips off his friend's nose to finish it. He sings to a rubber duck.

Play 囲碁
That is definitely a minority opinion!! (4.00 / 1) (#31)
by jcolter on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 07:19:38 PM EST

I remember when I was young my little sister was into Burt, whereas I was (correctly) a fan of Ernie. The older I get however, the more Burt like tendencies I acquire (albeit not enough to make a decent living).

[ Parent ]
Say it loud! (none / 0) (#46)
by itsbruce on Fri Oct 12, 2001 at 07:06:58 PM EST

I like Bert and I'm proud!


--It is impolite to tell a man who is carrying you on his shoulders that his head smells.


[ Parent ]
Disappointed (3.60 / 5) (#10)
by DesiredUsername on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 08:53:26 AM EST

I was hoping the "Bert is evil" site would be a list of links to other "legitimate" Bert pics. But now, they are all low quality fakes, hosted right there. Still, I guess this deserves FP just for the two Osama pics.

Play 囲碁
What happened (4.33 / 3) (#11)
by delmoi on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 09:06:52 AM EST

If you do a google image search for "ossama bin laden" the 12th picture you get is of him with Bert. Obviously it was done for the site, which has actualy taken that image down in the wake of 9/11.

What probably happened is that whoever made the sign used that image.
--
"'argumentation' is not a word, idiot." -- thelizman
[ Parent ]
Wait a second....how can that be? (4.33 / 3) (#12)
by DesiredUsername on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 09:20:16 AM EST

"What probably happened is that whoever made the sign used that image."

I agree, that must be the case. The two images are radically different yet the signs are identical, including Bert. Therefore the photo itself was not doctored, the sign must really be that way. And that leads inexorably to your conclusion.

But here's the problem: That poster is in Bangladesh. In order for your theory to work, some Bangladeshi needed to do a Google search for Osama, find that image and print it onto a poster. But why would they use a Google image of Osama--don't they have their own pictures? Add to that the fact that the fake site took the picture down after WTC (presumably right after), so the poster would have to be at least a month old. And why didn't THEY notice Bert in there.

Something fishy is going on...

Play 囲碁
[ Parent ]
No (4.33 / 3) (#20)
by delmoi on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 12:57:19 PM EST

The picture is still there, in places. And it may be that the grahpic designer had a copy on their hard drive. As for doing a google search, is that really unresonable? This may have been a low budget job by a 'fan' rather then any stophisticated al-Qaida propaganda job.
--
"'argumentation' is not a word, idiot." -- thelizman
[ Parent ]
High res picture (4.85 / 7) (#13)
by delmoi on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 09:22:15 AM EST

here. Which I got from here. There's apperently an AP picture going around of an ossama poster sans bert, perhaps a new version?
--
"'argumentation' is not a word, idiot." -- thelizman
But who edited what? (4.25 / 4) (#18)
by MfA on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 11:34:15 AM EST

Was it a new demonstration and did whoever made those posters finally caught on how ridiculous they were? The alternatives arent pretty, if they perform self censorship over something as small as this than how can you trust them on anything anymore ... or if all the pictures were edited from the start then how do we know the march was even what it was said to be?

[ Parent ]
You blew his cover! (4.81 / 16) (#24)
by wiredog on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 02:18:20 PM EST

The only guy the CIA has been able to get close to Osama, and you blew his cover! They'll tear him limb from limb!

If there's a choice between performance and ease of use, Linux will go for performance every time. -- Jerry Pournelle
wired's reporting this too... (3.80 / 5) (#26)
by robot138 on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 02:30:58 PM EST

here.
apparently theres also a pic on one of the posters showing him with a bottle of jack daniels. looks like they grabbed some images off the net without paying much attention to make the posters.
e.b.a.c
a.a.r.o
s.y.t.r
t._._.e

heh (3.33 / 3) (#28)
by jayhawk88 on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 05:01:11 PM EST

I can't wait until someone like CNN picks this up. This is just to weird and surreal not to get mainstream media's attention. And of course we're bound to see about a million other "friends" of bin Laden pictures, as the curse of Photoshop once again descends on us all.

You thought all those All Your Base pictures were bad? You ain't seen nothing yet.

Why, then, should we grant government the Orwellian capability to listen at will and in real time to our communications across the Web? -- John Ashcroft
[ Parent ]
I sure hope so (3.50 / 2) (#29)
by KnightStalker on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 06:13:30 PM EST

That can only be a good thing, as it will reinforce to the masses (who are already no doubt aware of it, but maybe don't think about it) that the images they see on TV can be easily manipulated, and they shouldn't necessarily trust what they're shown.

[ Parent ]
It is a traditional Yemen knife (none / 0) (#39)
by codemonkey_uk on Thu Oct 11, 2001 at 04:55:38 AM EST

Its not a bottle of whisky, its a traditional Yemen knife, as is explained on this page. Just past half way down there is a section titled: "Johnny Walker?".
---
Thad
"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell
[ Parent ]
Links to bin Laden (4.44 / 9) (#27)
by epepke on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 03:47:35 PM EST

Given all the allegations of people who were linked to bin Laden with less evidence, I wonder whether the government has frozen the assets of the Children's Television Workshop.


The truth may be out there, but lies are inside your head.--Terry Pratchett


I am confused, help me... (2.00 / 2) (#32)
by darthaya on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 07:33:48 PM EST

Where is bert on the poster? Can't seem to spot him. :(

bastard (none / 0) (#42)
by delmoi on Thu Oct 11, 2001 at 07:49:18 PM EST

Looks like the cropped the image. here's another picture.
--
"'argumentation' is not a word, idiot." -- thelizman
[ Parent ]
It very well could be a message. (3.00 / 1) (#33)
by tarsvp04 on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 07:33:55 PM EST

I am surprised no one here has postulated that it could be one of his "prearranged messages". It seems a quite plausible explanation to me. These people have quite obviously thought thru their actions far in advance. This could be one more sign of that. They could simply recognize that a stupid picture like this would cause a lot of consternation/amusement and thus garner lots of attention. Who knows....

Bert's gone from first link (4.00 / 2) (#34)
by tudlio on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 07:40:32 PM EST

Looks like they've cropped Bert out of the image on the first link (Tubantia).




insert self-deprecatory humor here
Screenshot (5.00 / 2) (#35)
by FriedLinguini on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 07:45:16 PM EST

here [lindqvist.com]. Incidentally, I got this from a good write-up at the same site.

[ Parent ]
The Ministry of Truth has been at work (3.00 / 1) (#36)
by b1t r0t on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 08:50:47 PM EST

It seems that the photo in the original link has been cropped so that Bert doesn't show any more. Hmmmmmm........

-- Indymedia: the fanfiction.net of journalism.
Chronology... (5.00 / 5) (#37)
by quam on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 09:39:48 PM EST

I would be fascinated to read the mind of the person who created the collage. Maybe it would have read something like this...
To images.google.com for photos of Osama bin Laden for a poster. Ok, I'll print the first 20 or so images and throw them on a large poster. Ho hum. Oh, there is an image of Osama with a yellow humanoid creature with large eyes and a large orange nose, and funny hair. His mouth is odd. His eyebrows are much like Osama's though. Well, the humanoid must be good even if he does not have the customary beard. He is with Osama. Fine. Osama and yellow humanoid.


-- U.S. Patent 5443036 concerns a device for encouraging a cat to exercise by chasing a light spot.
Bert and Osama have a new friend... (2.00 / 1) (#38)
by Duketor on Wed Oct 10, 2001 at 11:19:15 PM EST

The WTC Tourist!

Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.
Hrm (none / 0) (#41)
by delmoi on Thu Oct 11, 2001 at 07:45:51 PM EST

Whoever did this should have put the tourist behind bin-laden.
--
"'argumentation' is not a word, idiot." -- thelizman
[ Parent ]
Disturbing merchandising implications (4.00 / 1) (#40)
by Scrymarch on Thu Oct 11, 2001 at 05:56:43 AM EST

It won't be too long until we see a stuffed Osama bin Laden toy. Come to think of it, if you take a Bert doll and add a beard and turban, you've got him. Osama bert Laden, soft, cuddly and keeping you safe from American imperialist pig-dogs.

How many Muslims are there? It's a ready made market ...

Bert is evil -- other links (5.00 / 1) (#44)
by Nitesurfer on Fri Oct 12, 2001 at 03:25:59 PM EST

Check out these websites: Wired Article , LindQuist article and comments , Fox News , Yahoo article , Slashdot


David Byrd

CEO --- Twenty First Century Technologies, Inc.
Home of the Nite-Surfer Illuminated Keyboard

The explanation (none / 0) (#45)
by p0ppe on Fri Oct 12, 2001 at 05:47:10 PM EST

Yahoo news


"Democracy is three wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner."
what about the front man? (none / 0) (#48)
by demaratus on Sat Oct 13, 2001 at 08:08:11 PM EST

What nobody bothers to point out is that Bert is merely the unwittingly dimwitted front for Ernie's Al Mueppeta organization.

What other mastermind could be the front for the notorious bombing of Oscar's can, or the Mr. Hooper incident?

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