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No Linux for LNUX?

By MSBob in MLP
Wed Oct 31, 2001 at 10:22:55 AM EST
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VA Linux Systems (Nasdaq:LNUX) has filed a request to change its name to VA Software Corporation.


Has VA finally admitted that Linux is not going to bring in enough revenue to sustain the company? This move seems quite risky especially given the initial commitment of some of its founders to the Linux OS. After all VA was the company that deliberately acquired the 'cool' LNUX ticker. One has to wonder whether the company was simply trying to ride the wave of Linux hype and now that Linux is highly unpopular with investors VA are trying to jump off the bandwagon as fast as they can. Here's the report on VA's filing. What do you think?

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No Linux for LNUX? | 25 comments (15 topical, 10 editorial, 0 hidden)
Does it matter? (3.60 / 5) (#1)
by phuqwit on Tue Oct 30, 2001 at 01:03:04 PM EST

Does it really matter what VA calls themselves? I think that the name change has nothing to do with the popularity (or lack thereof) of Linux. But instead is to do with a change in focus. There simply isn't enough business to drum up with just Linux solutions and support. However, if VA is able to provide software support across a wide variety of platforms, then they will be able to generate more revenue. Their name suggests that all they do is Linux, which may not be their focus anymore.
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Change of heart (3.33 / 3) (#6)
by MSBob on Tue Oct 30, 2001 at 01:09:13 PM EST

I'm not questioning the popularity of Linux the OS. What intrigues me is the change of heart towards the Linux community that we've been seeing with VA lately. And Linux is unpopular with the street right now and that's the truth but obviously it has nothing to do with Linux's popularity amognst users.
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What change of heart? (4.00 / 3) (#7)
by Carnage4Life on Tue Oct 30, 2001 at 01:21:41 PM EST

What intrigues me is the change of heart towards the Linux community that we've been seeing with VA lately.

Please clarify this statement. VA Linux has been viciously lambasted in several circles for wasting money on the money pit that is the OSDN network yet they still do it in what is primarily a service to the Open Source community in general and Linux in particular.

They've changed their name because it has little to do with their core business and is misleading to customers. Looking for some sinister motive to what is primarily a simple business decision is gross ingratitude considering all the things they've done for Linux and the Open Source community.

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That change of heart (2.66 / 3) (#8)
by MSBob on Tue Oct 30, 2001 at 01:26:55 PM EST

Like closing parts of SourceForge, selectively accepting new Sourceforge projects, sacking Mesa developers etc. The list is growing.
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you should get a career in PR (3.00 / 1) (#23)
by streetlawyer on Wed Oct 31, 2001 at 06:21:18 AM EST

? I think that the name change has nothing to do with the popularity (or lack thereof) of Linux. But instead is to do with a change in focus. There simply isn't enough business to drum up with just Linux solutions and support.

It was really clever of you to put "But instead is to do with a change in focus" in between "the name change has nothing to do with the popularity (or lack thereof) of Linux" and "There simply isn't enough business to drum up with just Linux solutions". Otherwise it might have looked as if your post was a self-contradictory, vapid piece of spin-doctoring.

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well... (3.40 / 5) (#2)
by rebelcool on Tue Oct 30, 2001 at 01:04:44 PM EST

maybe its because they dont want to be seen as just linux anymore. Makes sense. Why blow off a huge portion of the market that doesnt use linux?

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They used to be (4.30 / 10) (#3)
by wiredog on Tue Oct 30, 2001 at 01:05:51 PM EST

VA Research. Then Linux. Now Software. It doesn't change the fact that they are in a death spiral. Read SJVNs piece in the latest Linux Magazine.

If there's a choice between performance and ease of use, Linux will go for performance every time. -- Jerry Pournelle
Linux in their name is now misleading (4.27 / 11) (#4)
by Carnage4Life on Tue Oct 30, 2001 at 01:06:52 PM EST

The name "VA Linux" made sense when they were a Linux hardware company but now that their primary business is selling proprietary extensions to SourceForge and associated consulting, I believe the name is a misnomer.

This becomes especially true when you realize that SourceForge is OS independent, thus shoehorning themselves into a Linux-only market in the minds of potential customers is just a bad idea business-wise.

From the article (4.42 / 7) (#5)
by TheophileEscargot on Tue Oct 30, 2001 at 01:08:11 PM EST

The Sunnyvale, Calif., company said the name VA Software better identifies the company's primary business of developing its SourceForge collaborative software development platform. The company said the name VA Linux is identified with its former Linux hardware systems and consulting businesses.

It seems to make sense. Why have Linux in your name if it's not your core business?

Also, if a company was selling stuff that runs under Windows, would it have "Windows" or "Microsoft" in its company name? Maybe Linux isn't a big differentiator any more.
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important questions (4.33 / 3) (#22)
by streetlawyer on Wed Oct 31, 2001 at 06:18:27 AM EST

It seems to make sense. Why have Linux in your name if it's not your core business?

Talk about missing the wood for the trees. The more important question is; "why isn't Linux their core business?@".

Particularly given that they took quite a lot of money from the Americna investing public on the basis that this was the base.

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*Yawn* Try to keep up, jsm (3.00 / 1) (#24)
by TheophileEscargot on Wed Oct 31, 2001 at 07:40:31 AM EST

We debated VA's problems ages ago. This article was about the name change.
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August 1999, a conversation: (4.00 / 9) (#15)
by ennui on Tue Oct 30, 2001 at 04:27:22 PM EST

"How you doing, Charlie?"
"Same shit, different day. How's about you?"
"I got another IPO I like."
"Another? Give me a light. Which one?"
"It's called VA Linux."
"VA what?
"Linux."
"Oh, Lie-nucks. Like that Red Hat thing you screw around with when you're supposed to be working."
"No, Linux. That's how the guy pronounces it."
"Whatever. That guy's selling stock?"
"No, another company."
"They're selling this operating system, then?"
"Linux isn't really an operating system. It's just part of an operating system. Red Hat is more like an operating system."
"Oh yeah, you were right about them. I don't know how you can make money selling software you can just download from anywhere, but what the hell, I made money, so what do I care?"
"You got out, right?"
"Same day, kiddo."
"Good. Anyway, these guys sell computers with Linux on them."
"What, like PC's?"
"No, like servers. Rackmount machines, you'd use them for webservers and stuff."
"What, are they cheaper than IBM or Compaq?"
"No, not really. Just not NT boxes."
"So do they put that Red Hat software on there, or do they have something else?"
"I guess they'd put Red Hat on there. They're not making their own distribution."
"So like here, they have the racks of machines, those Exchange servers. Can I buy one of these Linux systems and run all my desktops with Exchange on them off it?"
"No, most of the Exchange features wouldn't work. You'd buy them for webservers, things like that."
"So they sell servers that aren't cheaper than any other company's, and they don't come with Windows NT, which seems to be what the whole damn WORLD is using for email and stuff."
"Something like that."
"So why can't you or I just go out, buy a rack and some of these servers and put Red Hat on them ourselves? What's different about what they do?"
"I don't know."
"Okay. So they're selling these servers at higher prices than their competition, they're charging you money to put free software on these servers, and it doesn't work out of the box with all Microsoft's stuff?"
"Right."
"Wow. People are totally, totally insane. So how much do you thing I should put in?"


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VA never even SOLD linux (2.00 / 1) (#20)
by delmoi on Tue Oct 30, 2001 at 11:33:41 PM EST

They sold systems with Linux on them. It's one thing to sell something that people can get for Free (in a little more convenient manner ala Red Hat), But selling something that everyone can sell for less, with an added freebie that doesn't cost you or anyone else anything doesn't make any sense. If it's popular, everyone else can just do it, and do it for less.

Red-hat on the other hand is actually making money.
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Getting out while we can... (3.00 / 1) (#21)
by Dirac Tesseract on Wed Oct 31, 2001 at 04:29:23 AM EST

Wow... this actually sheds a whole new light on the story from Rusty (currently in moderation queue as I type this) about OSDN dropping Kuro5hin. Hell, I was generally concerned, but now I think things are pretty clear here as to what is going on. I'm voting this to the front page, mostly since I think it would be rather humorous to see it appear next to Rusty's story there.

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LNUX----Linux (none / 0) (#25)
by mikelist on Wed Oct 31, 2001 at 01:14:33 PM EST

Well, I guess that now that the uncrashable XP is here, people will be losing interest in Linux, at least until the Titanic hits the ice cube. We all have to do something we'd rather not do to earn a living, and that is also true for LNUX. 'Sides they're still doiing SourceForge.

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