Well they certainly have not said that there is a real reason that these people are angry with us
Its not the US's fault you aren't paying attention. Everyone knows why they are angry with us. The US (including, by proxy, me) have imposed our will on other people. We have declared our position to be "right" and view their opinions as "wrong".
And you know what? I'm fine with that. I do not support an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Perhaps you believe that the matter should be kept between Iraq and Kuwait. I do not support the extermination of the nation of Israel. Perhaps you believe that its okay for countries to decide that another one should no longer exist.
I guess this is me being evil and imposing my will on others. That is a purely American trait. I'm sure that Iraq imposing its will ("We will have all of your oil") and the anti-Israel countries imposing their will ("You will all die horrible deaths and burn in Hell") is acceptable, because they are ... well... You tell me. Oh wait, I bet we caused Iraq to invade Kuwait, because we aided Iraq against Iran, which was justified in attacking Iraq because we had tried to control them...
Come to think of it. We should just completely isolate ourselves. We'd run into so much less opposition that way. You probably like this idea. Did you graduate from High School? Ever learn about the World Wars? Why did they happen? Isolationism. They happened because people did not want to meddle in the afairs of others.
What happens in the Middle East if we dont stop Iraq? Iraq invades Kuwait. They get the +1 morale, and some experience. So they invade Saudi Arabia. We dont help of course, not our fight, dont want to set foot on the Holy Land. Saudi Arabia falls. More people are conscripted, and now, a dictator has control of a staggering amount of oil. Yes. I know many people bring this up. "The Gulf War was fought for oil!!!" Yes. Yes it was. Control of that much oil can buy many things. Tanks, Guns, Missiles, Nuclear Weapons, Biological Weapons, and of course Troops. They would invade Iran soon after that. Or perhaps if they needed to take some heat off, they could destroy Israel. Down goes Jordan too. When do we step in? How many dead is enough?
No. You learn. You hit aggressors as soon as you can, ethically. But before that, you keep an eye on all areas of the world. You stick your nose in all conflicts. So that no conflict gets out of control. You take bruises from everyone so that no country has to be brutalized like so many countries were in the World Wars.
But my favorite:
Respect the rights? They certainly did not do that. Unless you consider "Pack up your bags and leave, we're moving a different group of people in here based on ethnicity and religion. Come come now, shut your kids up, they will be happy to live in the surrounding nature!"
Where do you live? America? We took this land from the Oh-so-peacefull native americans. Perhaps the UK? The Normans did the same to the Anglo-Saxons. The Russians took their land from whatever germanic tribe existed before them.
And I ignored the Middle East. People have been stealing land from each other for literally thousands of years there. But of course the Palestinians are completely innocent.
Do I support forced deportation of Palestinians? No. I support the groups living together peacefully. But I see that the Palestinians have demanded the bloody death of the entire nation of Israel much earlier and more often than Israel has prevented peace.
I know of no nation composed of people who have not usurped some other groups land. So no one is innocent. However, unless you are an anarchist (in which case this whole conversation should end now, since anarchy is a big joke) you have to at least respect sovreignty. Few middle east countries respect Israel's sovreignty, so I see no reason why they should reciprocate.
Was the creation of Israel done in the best way possible? No. Oooh oooh. I have a solution:
Kill them all!
I thought that is what you were arguing against?
Face it. Israel exists. We cant let it stop existing. We can promote peace in the area. We can force (I prefer: coerce) Israel into granting Palestinians rights and citizenship.
But we can only do it if we have friendly relations with Israel and a presence which would hopefully be friendly in Palestine and the surrounding countries.
Honestly: Do you want to see the nation of Israel die, in a horrible war where many, many people including innocent Israelis and Palestinians will die? I really want to know. If not, what do you propose to do to prevent those deaths?
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