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Joey Ramone dies at age 49

By forgey in MLP
Tue Apr 17, 2001 at 11:10:38 PM EST
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Punk rocker Joey Ramone lead singer of The Ramones died Sunday at the age of 49. He passed away after unsuccessful treatment for lymphatic cancer. MTV has a good article about his life and accomplishments.


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The Ramones:
o I wanna be sedated 55%
o Blitzkreig Bop 15%
o Pet Sematary 1%
o Sheena is a punk rocker 18%
o Suzy is a headbanger 2%
o Teenage Lobotomy 7%
o Surf City 0%

Votes: 80
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Joey Ramone dies at age 49 | 62 comments (33 topical, 29 editorial, 0 hidden)
Punk (4.40 / 5) (#4)
by wiredog on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 01:16:41 PM EST

I saw the Ramones in 84 at the late, lamented Bayou in Gerogetown (in DC). Great live act. Those were the days of the tail end of punk. The Dead Kennedeys were still going strong. DRI, JFA, The Clash. Ahhh, the old 930 Club, on 930 F Street in DC. The Ramones had 3 chords, "possibly one too many", and Joey was the lead singer because he wasn't a good enough drummer.

The idea of a global village is wrong, it's more like a gazillion pub bars.
Phage

re: Punk (4.00 / 1) (#6)
by spacejack on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 01:27:49 PM EST

Also (as I heard it), the Ramones originally wanted to play Stooges and Led Zeppelin covers, but the songs were to hard for them to play, so they wrote material they could play.

[ Parent ]
Actually (4.00 / 2) (#7)
by wiredog on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 01:31:15 PM EST

They couldn't play. That was part of their charm.

The idea of a global village is wrong, it's more like a gazillion pub bars.
Phage
[ Parent ]

The good old Bayou... (3.00 / 1) (#8)
by glueslug on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 01:33:38 PM EST

That was a real shame when that was torn down...a great venue, and suprisingly there hasnt been a new venue in DC to really take its place.

[ Parent ]
A quick follow up (5.00 / 2) (#16)
by wiredog on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 01:54:11 PM EST

After I posted the above I remembered that NPR, as part of their series on The 100 most important American musical works of the 20th century did a piece on I wanna be sedated

The idea of a global village is wrong, it's more like a gazillion pub bars.
Phage
[ Parent ]

GABBA GABBA HEY! (2.00 / 1) (#10)
by Captain_Tenille on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 01:38:30 PM EST

Sigh... News of this has been sweeping through my town since yesterday. There are definately a lot of sad punk rockers here.

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A friend of mine wrote a poignant little treatment about Joey and his influence on a lot of us.

Thus, in his memory, I'd just like to say...

GABBA GABBA HEY! GABBA GABBA HEY! GABBA GABBA HEY! GABBA GABBA HEY...
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/* You are not expected to understand this. */

Man Vs. Nature: The Road to Victory!

Baba ba baba, baba ba baba (4.42 / 7) (#15)
by 0xdeadbeef on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 01:47:34 PM EST

I wanna be cremated!

you mean (3.50 / 2) (#19)
by georgeha on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 02:01:26 PM EST

twenty twenty twenty four hours a day I wanna be cremated

[ Parent ]
+1 (4.00 / 3) (#29)
by rusty on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 03:52:17 PM EST

I voted +1 on this story for the above comment alone.

Joey would've wanted it that way...

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

You know... (3.16 / 12) (#23)
by trhurler on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 02:49:39 PM EST

I'm sorry, but I just don't give a fuck. Yes, the Ramones influenced virtually every rock band that has come since and been worth a rat's ass. Guess what? It isn't because they were any good.

You see, rock had become pretentious and foolish in the 70s, for whatever reason. The Ramones discarded the pretense and kept merely the foolishness, which is, of course, what rock should be. Nevertheless, they were hardly some groundbreaking new style, as people claim. They just couldn't play worth a damn, so they had to use a "stripped down sound." Hell, the lead singer only sang because his drum skills sucked ass, and the others weren't much better.

Had they not done it, someone else would have; this is clear. They weren't actually any good, which is why, despite the lament of countless "fans" who never even went to a concert, they never made it very big. They didn't actually have good songs, they played like my brother did when he was five, and their "style" brought far more bad crap with it than it did quality music. A few bands really do/did punk right, and a lot just tried to capitalize on the same thing the Ramones originally "chose" their style for - it takes no talent whatsoever.

I suppose I'm sorry the guy is dead young, but lots of people die young all the time, and they aren't all getting k5 stories...

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'God dammit, your posts make me hard.' --LilDebbie

What made the Ramones (3.50 / 4) (#33)
by Miniluv on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 04:19:27 PM EST

The reason the Ramones stood head and shoulders above many other bands of their ilk was attitude. The Ramones did their thing the best they could and partied through every damn minute of it. They had zero pretension and their fans loved them for it.

That's probably the only important thing they managed to pass on to any other band.

"Its like someone opened my mouth and stuck a fistful of herbs in it." - Tamio Kageyama, Iron Chef 'Battle Eggplant'
[ Parent ]

Hey! I just figured out who you are... (1.66 / 3) (#36)
by elenchos on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 05:57:45 PM EST

Something about the all-knowing edict of musical taste and your anassailable knowledge of the history of punk rock (a scene which happened while you were between the ages of zero and five) reminded me of a certain person. And then everything you've ever said suddenly came together into an image of one guy: Buddy Bradley!

Who knew?

Adequacy.org
[ Parent ]

Taste? (2.80 / 5) (#37)
by trhurler on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 06:09:36 PM EST

I carefully avoided all but one comment on the Ramones as a matter of taste. I did say that they didn't have good songs. Go back and listen sometime. They DON'T; you might like them because "you were there, man," but pretty much nobody else ever has or will. Some people liked the Beegees too, you know; that doesn't make them "good."

Other than that, what I said was, they couldn't play worth a damn(factually true; they were a three chord outfit with a singer who washed out of percussion duty. His "signature voice" as so many people call it was in fact a "lousy" voice, which fact was translated into a "feature" by the band's fans for some unknown reason. I know tons of people with more talent who will never get a recording contract,) and if they hadn't done what they did, someone else would have(not knowable in the literal sense, but almost certain, in any case.)

In short, they were the Mr. Bean of the musical world; they didn't really so much start a revolution as stumble into one by accident. They had attitude? That's it? So what? So did the early metal pioneers, but where they might have failed stylistically - in matters, as you put it, of taste - they at least knew how to play. That's a key distinction.

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'God dammit, your posts make me hard.' --LilDebbie

[ Parent ]
You've got him down cold. (3.33 / 3) (#41)
by elenchos on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 06:46:14 PM EST

Or to quote Buddy Bradley*:
    Your going to see the Ramones? Why? You're only encouraging those fools to postpone their long overdue retirement! That's worse than going to see the Who or the Stones fer God's sake...


    * Owned every Rolling Stones, Who and Ramones record ever made at age 16... Sold them last month to pay rent.

From Hate #3 by Peter Pagge, back page.

Adequacy.org
[ Parent ]

Oh? (1.66 / 6) (#42)
by trhurler on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 07:00:42 PM EST

I've never owned any Stones or Ramones records, and I never will. They both bite ass and always have. At any rate, if having an opinion and expressing it mixed in with a few facts causes your mouth to grow to be bigger than your body, I have not as yet noticed, but I certainly agree with the sentiment that a lot of really old fuckers need to quit touring before fans steal their false teeth:)

You're missing an important point here: I already knew I was an arrogant opinionated asshole; I'm not going to be embarassed by that fact, no matter how cleverly you point it out. You might as well mock the sun for shining, for all it will matter. In fact, that might be more amusing to watch...

--
'God dammit, your posts make me hard.' --LilDebbie

[ Parent ]
Go man, go! (2.33 / 6) (#45)
by elenchos on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 07:44:32 PM EST

No, the point is that you are the end of the years-long quest to find the actual real-life Buddy Bradley! Do you have any idea how many have searched, and for how long, to find the one guy who could just automatically spew out Buddyisms without the least affectation? You have The Buddy in you, man. He is you and you be him!

How often in anyone's life do you get to converse with a comic book character brought to life? This is a magical moment that I will treasure for ever and ever.

Adequacy.org
[ Parent ]

Invention (2.00 / 1) (#50)
by khallow on Tue Apr 17, 2001 at 11:57:06 AM EST

You see, rock had become pretentious and foolish in the 70s, for whatever reason. The Ramones discarded the pretense and kept merely the foolishness, which is, of course, what rock should be. Nevertheless, they were hardly some groundbreaking new style, as people claim. They just couldn't play worth a damn, so they had to use a "stripped down sound." Hell, the lead singer only sang because his drum skills sucked ass, and the others weren't much better.

Necessity is the mother of invention.

BTW, I voted -1 because I couldn't care less about the Ramones.


Stating the obvious since 1969.
[ Parent ]

You know... (1.00 / 1) (#54)
by deefer on Wed Apr 18, 2001 at 07:49:53 AM EST

I really couldn't give a fuck you don't give a fuck.

You appear to be setting yourself up as an arbiter of good taste in music... Who died and left you that crown?

And as far as "sucking" went, you ever played at a rock/metal/punk gig? Because let me tell you there is one whole load of other things that go into a live gig other than technical merit. I've played gigs where my guitar kept going out of tune, where I have been attacked by cymbals, where the drummer kept falling off of his stool because it kept sinking into the mud, where the other guitarist was so pissed he couldn't find an E Major if I showed him... And some of these gigs we've gone down a storm, had to play our entire catalogue because the crowd were bellowing for more. And I've played gigs where we've played *flawlessly* to a dead audience who couldn't give a toss if we just put down our instruments and walked off. So called "flopsweat" (where you are busting your balls to get across to the audience but never do, in spite of the extra effort) is the worst enemy of a live musician...

So, trhurler, where's your credentials for your fascinating insight into live music? Because I've been there, seen it done it and got the hangover... And I think you're wrong. Live performance does not consist solely of technical merit; there are far more subtle influences than that.
So, if playing music that is new is just "stripped down sound" I suppose that someone like Hendrix was just playing "effects applied sound"? Nope, a musician plays what they like to hear, and that is limited by their technical prowess. But frequently you discover new things when you mess up trying to do something beyond you, and if it pleases you then you do it some more.

Your point of claiming that "someone else had would do it" may be valid... Except that the Ramones got there first. And as far as Joey getting a K5 obitu-story, well maybe they were just a bit bigger than you claim.


Strong data typing is for weak minds.



[ Parent ]
Taste? (2.00 / 1) (#55)
by trhurler on Wed Apr 18, 2001 at 12:34:26 PM EST

It isn't about taste. It's about crude incompetence. Yes, there is more than technical skill to being a good band. That doesn't mean that a band utterly lacking in technical skill can be good. When all you can play are the three chords you learned from your buddy while the two of you were smoking pot last weekend and your song structures are designed to keep you from having to memorize anything more complicated than 1-2-3, and when your drummer ends up being your singer despite having no voice just because he can't play drums and you don't want to run him out of the band, and when you're known more for being different than being any good, those are bad signs. I could describe any number of local loser bands in the same way, and you'd have no comment, had you ever heard them, because you wouldn't want to defend them. You're defending the Ramones because they're famous. Being famous doesn't make you good.

--
'God dammit, your posts make me hard.' --LilDebbie

[ Parent ]
Naah... (3.00 / 1) (#56)
by deefer on Wed Apr 18, 2001 at 01:41:31 PM EST

Now, how do you rate "technical skill", exactly? Do you think it consists of weird mutant 7th and 9th chords, of lightning fast solos in the key of Dmin with a lovely vibrato finish high up the scale, complex harmonies and arrhythmic arrangements, or being able to write a simple bridge/chorous section that has people tapping their feet and humming along to in the shower? AC/DC haven't done too bad out of a few power chords, are they talentless, too? Different is sometimes also a talent, you know? Like Napster; IMHO that is one of the worst desktop clients I've ever used (UI is too bitty, no resume failed download, no search history list and that's just off the top of my head), yet I like the bigger picture it fits into. Technically, it's not great, but it goes down well with a large number of people... Much like The Ramones, in fact. Now as far as the loser bands you are on about - I would defend them if they could move a crowd. I'm sure you have plenty of words to go around, but I've enough for myself so please don't try to put your words in my mouth. Because these "loser bands" know what it's like to get up on stage, and it doesn't matter if you're playing to 100 people or 100,000 - you're still on stage, everyone is watching you, and crap or not, you're still a little bit famous for a little while. Try it sometime, I cannot describe it in words, playing music for a crowd that is singing along with you...

Like I said in my first post on this thread - it doesn't matter if you're technically crap if you can move or entertain an audience. A comedian over here called Tommy Cooper actually got started like that - at a local talent show when he was starting out, he kept fluffing his magic tricks and the audience laughed, he worked on that aspect and was a well - loved family entertainer for many years until his tragic early death. Was he talentless, too, because he couldn't get his rabbit out of the hat each time?

Honest question - how much do you like jazz?


Strong data typing is for weak minds.



[ Parent ]

Jazz? (2.00 / 1) (#57)
by trhurler on Wed Apr 18, 2001 at 02:52:58 PM EST

I feel the same way about it that I do most everything else. There's great jazz, there's good jazz, there's jazz, and there's crap. As it happens, I think there's very little great jazz, a lot of good, very little that's so-so, and an ungodly amount of crap. This is pretty typical for me, although in rock I find that there's a lot more so-so, and in country, I tend towards more crap. You really have to have an amazing country song to get my interest.

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'God dammit, your posts make me hard.' --LilDebbie

[ Parent ]
Hmm, just wondering... (3.00 / 1) (#58)
by deefer on Wed Apr 18, 2001 at 03:21:39 PM EST

Because jazz fanatics are the most close minded people in the world IMHO... Still, you're safe on that one... But what, to you, makes jazz "good"? Is it the obscure 13th-sus x chords, the "everybody does their own thing", or what? 'Cos I'll bet you that your criteria and others are different.

Myself, I mostly hate jazz, to me it is atonal senseless rubbish for the most part. But I keep my mind open, and have found a track or two that I like... That's music; find something that blows your hair back, kick back in your chair/moshpit/whatever floats your boat, and enjoy it for yourself. Apparently it soothes even the most savage beast...




Strong data typing is for weak minds.



[ Parent ]
Good jazz? (4.00 / 1) (#59)
by trhurler on Wed Apr 18, 2001 at 03:46:09 PM EST

Typically it has two qualities. First off, while it doesn't have to be amazingly difficult to perform, it has to "feel" like it really moves fast, and second, I don't go for the people who improvise so much that there's no discernable pattern. Improv is nice, random noise is not. Good jazz is usually hard to listen to without smiling. Some of what I like has been called "Chicago style," if that helps you any, but that is hardly the limit. There's some confusion here, though, because I also admit to liking certain recordings of music that I ordinarily am somewhat indifferent to, simply because the recording in question is so incredibly well done. This is rarer in other forms of music; if I don't like a given classical piece, no amount of skill will improve it for me, and frankly, there's not enough really difficult rock, country, or whatever to make pure technical skill stand out all that much to me there - Rush is a notable exception. As far as I'm concerned, whether you like their music or not, those guys are unbelievably good. Try one of their solos sometime. You'll lose:)

In any case, I am not purely a technical skill fanatic. I listen to various forms of "electronic" music, and much of it is really quite easy to record once you've decided how you're going to do it(which is a bit trickier:) I like some of the older, slower moving rap, which, frankly, any fool can perform - the trick there was in the writing. However, I do tend to find that regardless of whether they need it for their work, more talented performers tend to produce music I like better; I'm not quite certain why this is true, and there are exceptions, but it is a pretty good rule of thumb. Even genres I normally dislike(country,) can be interesting if they're ridiculously well done and the song in question isn't too obnoxious. I admit, though, mainstream "modern" country is really bad. Pretty much all of it. Yuck.

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'God dammit, your posts make me hard.' --LilDebbie

[ Parent ]
Good qualities of jazz... (4.00 / 1) (#60)
by deefer on Wed Apr 18, 2001 at 04:03:17 PM EST

1) Short.
2) Played at very low volume, so that only dogs can hear it...

Trouble with me and jazz is I can hear all the instruments playing at once - I'm used to stripping out drums, bass, guitar, piano to listen to one of the instruments - and they're all trying to do their own thing, which annoys the hell out of me. And I agree, there is so much noise in jazz, that the skill required to play good jazz is lost in a mash of everybody wanting to play a lead line. Try listening to Zappa's "Jazz From Hell" and see how many tracks you last... Technically, it is unassailable, but man I still have nightmares about it... Yeah, used to play some Rush, Red Barchetta IIRC, had me stretching but I could just about keep up... Now, Joe Satriani; that's a different kettle of RSI...

I know exactly what you mean about Country... It mostly seems to be along the lines of "Been lonely in the saddle since my horse died" type stuff... Then again, I *do* like "Jolene" - stirring stuff, IMHO. Fortunately we don't get to much of that over here in this green and pleasant land... Then again we don't get much rock either... IIRC, Iron Maiden had a number one hit for a couple of weeks (Bring your daughter I think) that still didn't make the daily playlist for the national radio station...


Strong data typing is for weak minds.



[ Parent ]
Rush/Satriani/etc (4.00 / 1) (#61)
by trhurler on Wed Apr 18, 2001 at 04:17:19 PM EST

Try playing yyz or one of the other Rush purpose-written solos sometime. I'm not saying you can't do it, but some of that stuff will make your head hurt just looking at it:) My brother's not bad, but he looks at La Villa Strangiato(sp?) and just freaks. Satriani has the same effect on many people, I'm told... that man rules. Steve Vai too.

By the way, if you're looking for something that's decent country (even though it isn't exactly full of feel-good hits,) look up the Handsome Family. I won't promise that they're the best ever, and there's lots of music I prefer, but they're a whole lot less horrid than most of the genre, and live they're actually quite a good show, as long as you don't insist that good shows have to have mosh pits.

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'God dammit, your posts make me hard.' --LilDebbie

[ Parent ]
Vai does indeed *ROCK*...but,.. (4.00 / 1) (#62)
by deefer on Wed Apr 18, 2001 at 07:05:31 PM EST

IMHO, he goes for scales too much... Satch... He goes for the *feeeeeel*... But still rocks his scales... Saw them both live... Satch won hands down...

I will indeed look up HF as soon as...

On your recomendation.... And no, I don't mind the absence of mosh pits; must be getting old ;
Anyway, look up the thread - isn't it great we're talking instead of arguing? I like it anyway... :)


Kill the baddies.
Get the girl.
And save the entire planet.

[ Parent ]

Superfilous Simpsons quote (4.73 / 15) (#24)
by skim123 on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 03:07:53 PM EST

Smithers: Here are several fine young men who I'm sure are gonna go far. Ladies and gentlemen, the Ramones!
Burns: Ah, these minstrels will soothe my jangled nerves.
Ramone 1: I'd just like to say this gig sucks!
Ramone 2: Hey, up yours, Springfield.
Ramone 1: One, two, three, four!
[Abrasive guitar music begins]
Happy Birthday to you! (Happy Birthday!)
Happy Birthday to you! (Happy Birthday!)
Happy Birthday, Burnsey,
Happy Birthday to you!
Ramone 3: Go to hell, you old bastard.
[The curtain falls]
Ramone 4: Hey, I think they liked us!
Burns: [toward the Ramones] Have the Rolling Stones killed.
Smithers: Sir, those aren't --
Burns: Do as I say!

Money is in some respects like fire; it is a very excellent servant but a terrible master.
PT Barnum


It finally happened... (3.00 / 1) (#26)
by inpHilltr8r on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 03:37:17 PM EST

...someone sneaked up behind Joey Ramone while he was on a crosswalk, and shouted "1 2 3 4" in his ear.


Rock away beach (3.00 / 1) (#27)
by Zeram on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 03:48:32 PM EST

*sigh*


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Poll (4.66 / 3) (#30)
by GreenHell on Mon Apr 16, 2001 at 03:59:42 PM EST

ok, ok, so I shouldn't be bitching about the poll options, but here we go, because you're missing my favorite Ramones songs...

first: Judy is a Punk - if only for the lines 'Second verse, same as the first' and 'Third verse, different from the first'

second: The KKK Took My Baby Away - not much to say here, just rather catchy and goofy... and speaking of goofy

third: Gimme Gimme Shock Treatment.... nothing cheers me up quite like the lines 'I was really sick, losing my mind, heard about this treatment from a friend of mine. He was so happy, smile on his face, said he had a great time at the place'

and finally, fourth: Commando....
First rule is: the laws of Germany
Second rule is: be nice to mommy
Third rule is: don't talk to Commies
Fourth rule is: eat kosher salamis

-GreenHell
This .sig was my last best hope to seem eloquent. It failed.
Likewise, but... (4.00 / 1) (#53)
by keyeto on Wed Apr 18, 2001 at 05:30:12 AM EST

...my favourite was always Somebody put something in my drink. I used to jump up and down like a loon to that one.


--
"This is the Space Age, and we are Here To Go"
William S. Burroughs
[ Parent ]
He doesn't want to be buried .... (3.00 / 3) (#51)
by gridwerk on Tue Apr 17, 2001 at 01:32:16 PM EST

in a pet cemetary!

I saw the Ramones 5 times in 7 days (3.00 / 2) (#52)
by peeping_Thomist on Tue Apr 17, 2001 at 11:29:05 PM EST

at 4 different venues in Southern California in 1980. I was 17, and they were awesome. I couldn't get any of my friends interested after the first gig, so I had to go by myself to the others, but it was a blast! 1-2-3-4!

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