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The Last Supper

By communista in MLP
Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 10:17:02 AM EST
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Here is a link to a page put up by the Texas Department of Justice listing what death row inmates requested for their last meal. Scroll down far enough and you'll see one of the inmates requested "Justice, Equality, World Peace" for his last meal. Interesting link.


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The Last Supper | 62 comments (62 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
If I bury my head in the sand it will go away. (3.33 / 6) (#1)
by dram on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 08:35:52 PM EST

I'm tired of stories of the death penalty. I don't think it's a good thing and I wish it would go away. The government should not be killing people. (and yes, I'm against war too.) I am tired of stories about it on K5 and else where. I have not turned on the TV or read the news today just because I don't want to hear about it. I am a Poly Sci major so I am all for talking about politics and policy, but K5 should be for technology related things so today lets leave it like that. If I want politics and policy I will turn on CNN or go to Quorum.org.

-dram
[grant.henninger.name]

Understood, but it's all about perception. (3.50 / 2) (#2)
by communista on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 08:40:27 PM EST

The article is about the last meals of the inmates, indirectly dealing with the death penalty. I can understand how you feel, and you chose to interpret the article in the sense that its intention was to dwell on the death penalty. Which is fine, but I assure you was not my intention. :)
/me fucks shit up!!!!
[ Parent ]
Death Penalty Coverage (4.50 / 2) (#15)
by strepsil on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 10:22:34 PM EST

OK, firstly I admit that I turned off the TV last night when I saw they were doing execution coverage. I saw some woman describing McVeigh's death and just ... I don't know. I couldn't take it. Maybe if she'd looked less like a reporter covering the opening of a building and more like she had some sort of human emotions ...

But I'm glad it's going on (coverage, not the executions) since it's right out in the open. Whether people are for or against the death penalty it damned well should be shoved in everyone's face. Nobody should forget for an instant that there are governments out there that kill people.

Sure it's unpleasant for a lot of people to hear about, but it's a hell of a lot better than it being kept quiet.

[ Parent ]
War (3.66 / 3) (#31)
by finkployd on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 08:22:26 AM EST

I'm also against war. I imagine most everyone is but that doesn't mean that it isn't sometimes necessary. In addition to defending your home soil if attacked by someone who didn't share the "war is bad" view there are also cases when it is necessary to come to someone else's defense (WW I and II).

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[ Parent ]
You know dram, (4.00 / 1) (#48)
by ZanThrax on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 05:36:54 PM EST

k5 isn't really a tech site. ("technology and culture, from the trenches" - doesn't exactly sound like the sort of tag you'd see on Anandtech or $randomLinuxSite does it?) Sure, there's a tech section, and some other tech-related sections, but most of the stories here aren't tech stories. Besides, diversity is a good thing, and you can always skip the sections and stories that disinterest you...


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[ Parent ]
Who clicked your mouse for you? (3.00 / 1) (#52)
by CrayDrygu on Wed Jun 13, 2001 at 01:00:49 AM EST

If you're tired of reading stories about the death penalty, why did you click on this one and read it?

[ Parent ]
Damn dude... (3.71 / 7) (#3)
by SvnLyrBrto on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 08:49:25 PM EST

I think I can feel my own artery walls hardening out of sympathy!

With diet preferences like THAT, Texas could dispence with the whole execution thing, and do away with all the issues that come with it. No more protests, no more endless appeals, no more human rights violations...

Just feed the inmates what they want, and they'll drop dead with heart attacks, of their own accord... Probably faster than the death row appeals could be exhausted in the first place.

Except, of course, for Stacey Lawton, who is obviously wrongly convicted... anyone who whould choose a jar of dill pickles as his last meal is obviously WAYYY too cool to be a murderer.


john

Imagine all the people...

If you gotta go, go with a smile... (3.75 / 4) (#5)
by communista on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 08:56:45 PM EST

I thought the same thing when I read this meal: "Twenty-four soft shell tacos, six enchiladas, six tostados, two whole onions, five jalapenos, two cheeseburgers, one chocolate shake, one quart of milk" -- Not so much artery hardening, just...humongous. But I suppose if I were to die, I'd live it up, too. You can click on the links to see the inmate information. Some of these guys look like they couldn't finish a meal like that in a week!
/me fucks shit up!!!!
[ Parent ]
I think the point is... (4.33 / 6) (#7)
by Anonymous 6522 on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 09:13:41 PM EST

...to get such a bad stomachache that you wish you were dead.

[ Parent ]
Or... (4.00 / 3) (#34)
by codemonkey_uk on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 09:21:30 AM EST

To make is as messy as can be for the guards who clear up...
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Thad
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[ Parent ]
or... (4.00 / 3) (#11)
by majcher on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 10:04:00 PM EST

Two other reasons for the obscenely huge last meals come to mind:

-- In the eventuality tht they have a "final accident" in the chair/on the table/whatever, it'll give the screws a lot more nasty stuff to clean up.

-- If the meal takes a week to finish, maybe they're hoping that they'll get a week to finish it...

Overall, I'm torn. Yes, it's another dollop of humiliation on top of an already distasteful proceeding, but there's the massive rubbernecking draw to it all. Then again, maybe I'm just a twisto that gets off on the suffering of others. Yeah, that's probably it.
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[ Parent ]
consuming justice (4.00 / 9) (#4)
by Delirium on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 08:54:00 PM EST

one of the inmates requested "Justice, Equality, World Peace" for his last meal.

Well then I for one am glad that we are executing the sort of monster who would want to eat justice, equality, and world peace for dinner. These are important ideals that we cannot allow some lowlife to consume as if they were mere bread and wine.

Makes you wonder... (3.00 / 1) (#8)
by communista on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 09:25:44 PM EST

I hope that was not their metaphorical intention. Interesting point though :)
/me fucks shit up!!!!
[ Parent ]
Well... (3.42 / 7) (#36)
by Betcour on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 09:41:15 AM EST

one of the inmates requested Justice, Equality

I'm affraid the food has to be available localy for the request to be accepted. There's no Justice or Equality available in Texas as far as I know.

[ Parent ]
Not much left? (none / 0) (#62)
by WWWWolf on Thu Jun 14, 2001 at 06:32:54 AM EST

Well then I for one am glad that we are executing the sort of monster who would want to eat justice, equality, and world peace for dinner. These are important ideals that we cannot allow some lowlife to consume as if they were mere bread and wine.

You mean there's so little justice, equality and world peace left in the world that one doomed prisoner can eat all of it easily?

Figures... I always wondered what happened to those things.

-- Weyfour WWWWolf, a lupine technomancer from the cold north...


[ Parent ]
Am I the only one taken aback by this? (4.00 / 8) (#6)
by Estanislao Martínez on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 09:11:46 PM EST

The obvious thing I notice is the huge serving sizes. Which just makes me think of the desperation that must be behind these choices-- the desperation of knowing that they will only eat one more time in this life.

I can't decide whether the the fact that the Texas government puts this information up makes me sick or not.

--em

I've made a decision. (3.85 / 7) (#9)
by Estanislao Martínez on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 09:27:31 PM EST

I can't decide whether the the fact that the Texas government puts this information up makes me sick or not.

It does. Not only they have the nerve to execute these people, but also to humiliate them by making the desperation of their final moments a matter of public record. It offends my sense of the dignity of human life.

--em
[ Parent ]

public records (3.66 / 3) (#16)
by rebelcool on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 10:24:21 PM EST

as these meals are paid for with public money, and it being a government affair, it is under the open records act. For perhaps good and bad, the open records act covers all aspects of government documentation.

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[ Parent ]

I'm sure you're right. (none / 0) (#17)
by ucblockhead on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 10:53:12 PM EST

I'm sure it they are required by law to make that info available, but I agree with EM. It is sick. Therefore, -1.
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[ Parent ]
it's good (none / 0) (#60)
by alprazolam on Wed Jun 13, 2001 at 03:05:10 PM EST

it's good its available, because we can see stuff like justice and equality and all that. and because it makes you realize they eat the same thing you do. or whatever. i don't care either way.

[ Parent ]
The taxpayers paid for my physicals... (4.25 / 4) (#25)
by elenchos on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 01:38:32 AM EST

...in the military, but do you really want to know all the awful details? Do you need to know? Does the public have a right to see every single thing that inmates do while they are incarcerated at our expense? The idea that open records apply to every single detail of government activity is simply false. There is a huge volume of government records that are private.

Nah. Texas is running on a collective ego trip and they need to humiliate and dehumanize these people they kill every chance they can get to keep their nerve up. Remember, they have to beleive that these convicts don't deserve to live, and allowing them any dignity makes that all the more difficult.

The Brain, within its Groove
Runs evenly -- and true --
But let a Splinter swerve --
'Twere easier for You --
--Emily Dickinson, #556
[ Parent ]

please. (3.00 / 2) (#38)
by rebelcool on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 10:02:38 AM EST

of course open records doesnt cover things like medical records of a living person and other confidential documentation. I would hardly call a list of last meals confidential information, or meant to humiliate. Good god on a gravy boat, its a list of food.

Why would they put it online? Because with every execution, im sure dozens reporters from around the world ask to see a list. Rather than printing and mailing this list out, they simply point the reporters to the webpage.

"A collective ego trip." For the love of god.. I bet if you go looking around at other states you'll find a similar list.

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Yes, it is just a list of food. (3.00 / 1) (#44)
by elenchos on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 02:59:37 PM EST

And so why exactly is it necessary to spend tax money to puclicize a list of food? It didn't put itself on the web for free you know. What social or governmental funciton is served by putting that out? The only effect I see is to chip away a little bit at the dignity and humanity of the condemned. To let us have a little chuckle at their expense. Perhaps we should also post which TV shows they watch. That would make them look kind of small too, wouldn't it?

Imagine if someone made a list of every single thing you ate, or every pop song or TV show you listened to or watchewd and put it on the web. Almost everyone who saw it would get a little laugh out of it, at your expense. What other effect could it have? Perhaps in a few rare cases it would be constructive, but in most, it would be a joke. A joke on you. And... that is cruel. Cruelty towards prisoners is unconstitutional.

Sure this is a very small cruelty. Petty in fact. A petty little joke at the expense of the condemned. And incidentally, doens't this petty little joke also belittle the victims of the crimes these people are condemned for? These are heavy issues, and everyone involved still suffers from open wounds over them. While some irresponsible fratboy might see the humor in this, a state department of corrections -- in any state -- ought to move with far more gravity.

You're right that death penalty supporters in other states are probably just as low and juvinile, and just as much in need of dehumanizing these condemned human beings to shore up their resolve. Texas just happened to have sounded the depths of infntile macho posturing first. Shame on them.

The Brain, within its Groove
Runs evenly -- and true --
But let a Splinter swerve --
'Twere easier for You --
--Emily Dickinson, #556
[ Parent ]

this is absurd (4.00 / 2) (#46)
by rebelcool on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 05:00:18 PM EST

though hilarious, I hope its satire.

First of all, you seem to have ignored the point I made about reporters asking about last meals. Given that abcnews devoted a good paragraph to mcveigh's last meal, I think we can safely assume it's a question that prison officials get asked often when an execution comes up. Further uses of this can be research by students into the eating preferences of prisoners. I noticed alot of double meat cheeseburgers there.

Rather that spending oh-so-precious taxpayer money printing the list and mailing (or faxing) it around the world several times, they put it on the web. This is probably cheaper. It's also easier to find that way than trying to determine just who in the prison has this information.

As for if someone made a list of what I eat and listen to, I wouldnt exactly CARE. I'm not so self-conscious about myself that I consider my playlist and items in my pantry confidential. I will gladly provide you with a list, if you so desire. Further, who laughs about food? Honestly. "HA! HE EATS CHEESE! HA HA HA!"

If making a list of food is humiliating, then by god cut up your grocery lists before someone finds them.

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[ Parent ]

If it isn't fodder for mocking them, (none / 0) (#49)
by elenchos on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 05:52:40 PM EST

...then what is the basis for the a dozen or more posts here mocking their eating preferences? You may try to make up some plausible-sounding reason why this serves a purpose, but that doesn't change what purpose this stuff is primarily used for. That TV news is interested in something does not make it valid. If anything, the fact that TV news wants it shows that it is wholly for base sensationalism. The research angle is cute. No doubt thousands of research dollars were saved by having all this valuable data available in a convenient format. I would bet there are many times more research projects being done on how frequently men masturbate than what prisoners eat. Should that information be given out too? Or should they keep it private until ABC news asks for it, and then post it?

Who laughs about food? Bored wankers who are looking for someone even more wretched and unfortuante than themselves to ridicule.

The Brain, within its Groove
Runs evenly -- and true --
But let a Splinter swerve --
'Twere easier for You --
--Emily Dickinson, #556
[ Parent ]

bleh (none / 0) (#50)
by rebelcool on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 07:36:58 PM EST

"I would bet there are many times more research projects being done on how frequently men masturbate"

You're probably right, simply because food is..well..boring. Though I think its hardly fair to compare masturbation to a last meal, as humanity's association with food is so much deeper ingrained within culture than masturbation is. Everything in a human's life revolves around food. Hence the innate curiousity as to what a person eats last before they die.

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Since we agree it matters, (none / 0) (#51)
by elenchos on Wed Jun 13, 2001 at 12:20:19 AM EST

...we can conclude that using it for some voyeuristic entertainment is cruel, in its own small but non-trivial way. And even a small amount of cruelty is as unconstitutional as a great cruelty.

If they had at least been given a choice about it they could have retained some dignity, because they would not be a passive object of derision but would, like you, have made a decision about the matter. It's funny how much it bothers some people to give condemned criminals any control or choice; killing them just isn't enough for some people.

The Brain, within its Groove
Runs evenly -- and true --
But let a Splinter swerve --
'Twere easier for You --
--Emily Dickinson, #556
[ Parent ]

maybe they are given a choice. (none / 0) (#55)
by rebelcool on Wed Jun 13, 2001 at 10:10:19 AM EST

much like a family can request an autopsy be sealed (and that can still be challenged in court), a family (or inmate) can decide if they want the last meal public or not. I'm sure most simply DO NOT CARE. In which case, it's not cruel if YOU DONT CARE.

I disagree that this is cruel. Compared to other things that humanity does this is not small time cruelty or anything of the sort. It's a goddamn list of food.

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[ Parent ]

Last meals == corporate infotainment fodder? Whee! (1.00 / 1) (#54)
by Estanislao Martínez on Wed Jun 13, 2001 at 03:19:24 AM EST

Given that abcnews devoted a good paragraph to mcveigh's last meal, I think we can safely assume it's a question that prison officials get asked often when an execution comes up.

So? I don't happen to think that "making the job easier for corporate infotainment producers" is a valid reason to deny some privacy to an executed inmate.

Further uses of this can be research by students into the eating preferences of prisoners.

Please explain to me what's the benefit to society that can be had from students researching executed prisoners' last meals, and how this benefit surpasses the expense incurred in putting these records up on the web. If you can show a benefit to society, does it still justify the denial of privacy to the prisoners?

--em
[ Parent ]

not in texas (none / 0) (#59)
by alprazolam on Wed Jun 13, 2001 at 03:02:08 PM EST

First of all, you seem to have ignored the point I made about reporters asking about last meals. Given that abcnews devoted a good paragraph to mcveigh's last meal, I think we can safely assume it's a question that prison officials get asked often when an execution comes up

not in texas. there's about an execution at least once a week here. it's not a big deal usually, and reporters probably don't care what some guy who raped and killed a 70 year old lady has for his last meal.

[ Parent ]

Prison and humiliation. (2.50 / 2) (#26)
by Estanislao Martínez on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 02:21:09 AM EST

One thing I didn't express quite well is that the government is not only making this public record, but is incurring in an expense to put these perticular records online, where they can satisfy our base voyeuristic drives (as in this story).

Even so, what's the big problem with setting out a budget for each last supper, and just keeping track of how much was spent? This balances the privacy of the prisoner with the public's right to be informed of how its money is being spent.

Of course, that assumes we take prisoners to be human beings with a right to privacy. And "correction" as is currently practiced in the US is all but that. "Correction" is about sadistic humiliation and punishment of "monsters", right?

--em
[ Parent ]

does the prisoner care? (3.50 / 2) (#37)
by rebelcool on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 09:53:41 AM EST

I'm sure if you asked most of them "do you care if the public knows what you eat?" Most of them would say no. I dont see how posting a listing of a final meal is 'dehumanizing' and humiliating.

Certainly, I wouldnt care. After all, I would be dead. Even if I were alive by some miracle..I still wouldnt care. "That cheeseburger is my business and noone elses!". How ridiculous.

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[ Parent ]

Were they *asked* if they cared? (none / 0) (#53)
by Estanislao Martínez on Wed Jun 13, 2001 at 03:08:17 AM EST

And more importantly, let me point out that your ideas on the likelihood of them caring are completely irrelevant. Who gives a damn if you think they care or not?

--em
[ Parent ]

on that note (none / 0) (#56)
by rebelcool on Wed Jun 13, 2001 at 02:00:09 PM EST

who gives a damn whether YOU care or not?

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[ Parent ]

It Should Be Available (4.50 / 2) (#30)
by Merk00 on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 08:13:00 AM EST

Personally, I think that posting something like this for the public to view is important. All to often the only thing we hear about executions is that so-and-so was killed. Reading a list of the last meals of many different prisoners brings the horrors of an execution closer to home so to speak. Reading the list (and I did this well before this article was ever posted as I had found the link myself one day) made me imagine just exactly how horrible it is to be executed. To know the exact time and day when you will be killed. To know how much time you have left to live. That is a horrific punishment. In all honesty, I doubt I could eat a last meal because I would be too scared. But it is important to show exactly how terrible this punishment is in order for the public to decide whether or not the punishment fits the crime.

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[ Parent ]

Humiliation is the point (3.50 / 2) (#32)
by Simon Kinahan on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 08:30:22 AM EST

Why else all the bizarre ritual around capital punishment ? If the point were merely to kill these people, why deprive them of the means to kill themselves ? Why make sure the event is witnessed ? Why not just lock them in a cell with a suicide pill ? If the point were just to get them out of the way, life without possibility of parole is cheaper, easier and less controversial.

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[ Parent ]
heh (none / 0) (#58)
by alprazolam on Wed Jun 13, 2001 at 02:57:22 PM EST

It offends my sense of the dignity of human life

I think if we just ignored the fact that our government kills people, we could live in a happy happy pokemon world!

[ Parent ]

Desperation? (4.20 / 5) (#22)
by communista on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 12:19:45 AM EST

I honestly doubt the reason for the larger meals is desperation of knowing it's their last meal in life. These people knew years ago (some several years ago) that they were going to die. They have commited crimes heinous enough to warrant death (as decided by jury, usually) and a lot of them, don't care. Timothy McVeigh, for example wasn't distraught or sad to be dying...he'd made his point. He told the press he regretted killing those people, but not that he blew up the building. These people on death row were in control of their destiny...Murder/Rape/Heinous crime = Jailtime and possibly death. They know this.

I respect your opinion but I am curious...Are you as disgusted at the thought of the photos and names of child molesters that live in your neighborhood being posted on the web? Are they any less/more aware of the choices they have made in life? Just curious....
/me fucks shit up!!!!
[ Parent ]
Well... (3.00 / 1) (#35)
by Betcour on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 09:25:32 AM EST

as decided by jury, usually

That's the problem - there's usually no definite trust that the guy going to die is really guilty. A lot cases are not clear cut with genetic testing - and even with thoses test we have seen the police sometimes swap illegaly samples so that their case looks more convincing. So there are, in this list of last meal, some of them who were ordered by innocent people.

AS for child molesters, I think making their identity so public similar to calling for public stoning. Not very different than someone shooting in public "kill this guy". Not my idea of civilization and justice.

[ Parent ]
Well... (4.00 / 2) (#43)
by communista on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 01:22:45 PM EST

It is in very rare instances that a person is actually executed and is not guilty, but I see your point. The judicial system is not infallible, and it's a disturbing thing when innocent people are put in jail, and sometimes killed.

And for the child molesters bit (I can see this becoming a very long thread but I don't mind) I think that there is a wide spectrum of opinion. And that opinion is affected by several things. I personally would like to know if a convicted rapist, child molester, etc... lived in my neighborhood. Not to "kill him" but to be able to make the choice of whether or not I wanted to continue to live there, and raise children there. And I think that's the purpose of having such lists and photographs. The thought of killing such a person might cross the mind of a person who might have directly or indirectly been impacted by one of these convicted felons. Someone rapes your 8 year old daughter and then moves in next door and you're not gonna be happy. But again that hasn't happened to me, so I can't really say whether I would act aggressively against that person.
/me fucks shit up!!!!
[ Parent ]
Long thread looming :) (4.66 / 3) (#45)
by Betcour on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 03:19:18 PM EST

Actually I think we shouldn't start debating about child molesters in particular. To have a fair and equal justice, one has to abstract from his emotions. Child molesters are sick people doing abominable things - but they are still humans (eventhough we don't like the idea). Hence they are entitled to the same justice, the same fair defense as a thief or a drug dealer or someone who just got a speed ticket or a parking fine.

Now of course any parent would like to know who is a child molester and who's not - and that's very understandable. But once sex offenders finish their prison sentence (let's consider it was a fair sentence), they have, like any other criminal, paid their debt to society and are therefor entitled to get a new chance and being a decent citizen. Forcing them to display a sign or tell about their sentence to neighbours is denying this universal right that you can have a second chance. This is a dangerous precedent because if they can do that with sex offenders, next thing you know ex-thieves will have to tell about it whenever they enter a shop, and people who got a speed ticket will get this tatooed on their forehead and so on... the abuse are endless.

Another point : what kind of rehabilitation can you expect if, once you are out of jail, your neighbours throw stones at you in the streets, people throw their garbage in your garden and no one want to hire you anymore ? Don't think this a good way to become a new "productive member of society". This is totally counter productive.

Last point about sex offenders : not all sex offenders are child molesters. Some states make anal sex illegal. Some make oral sex illegal. I'm sorry but if a cop gets you and your girlfriend having oral sex somewhere (don't lie - everybody does it and loves it ;), you don't want to have to tell your neighbours about being a "sex offender" all you life - and having people start saying you are a child molester in your back (rumors are nasty).

[ Parent ]
Could someone please explain ... (3.33 / 3) (#10)
by strepsil on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 09:55:59 PM EST

... what "all the way" means in the context of a hamburger description? It shows up an awful lot in that list. I've never heard the expression before.

It's probably obvious if you're not an Australian vegetarian, right? :)

It means a hamburger `all dressed' (3.00 / 1) (#13)
by Estanislao Martínez on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 10:15:34 PM EST

I thought it was obvious from context.

--em
[ Parent ]

and "all dressed" means? (3.00 / 1) (#19)
by enterfornone on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 11:02:26 PM EST

I was guessing it meant "with the lot".

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[ Parent ]
There used to be a topic around here somewhere (3.00 / 2) (#21)
by strepsil on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 11:59:52 PM EST

I thought it might have been "with the lot", but I saw some references to cheeseburgers "all the way". In my universe, a "hamburger with the lot" and a "cheeseburger" are two different things.

Maybe this should get posted to Ask Slashdot. :)


[ Parent ]
who prepares the last meals? (4.00 / 4) (#12)
by jrh on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 10:05:57 PM EST

I'm less disturbed by the volume of the requests than by the kind of food requested. Fried chicken, cheeseburgers, eggs, steak, etc. Don't they get that kind of food, even in prison?

If the food is just made by the prison staff, it's going to be pretty bad no matter what, but you'd probably want to stick with something they wouldn't screw up. Would they even satsify a request for, say, caviar or foie gras or expensive sushi?

More seriously, the request for the meal to be given to a homeless person is oddly touching. I wonder if it was carried out.

Hopefully this doesn't come out the wrong way... (3.50 / 2) (#20)
by enterfornone on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 11:07:22 PM EST

but I would expect most of the people being executed (poor black texans) would be fairly limited in their knowledge of gourmet food.

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[ Parent ]
depends (5.00 / 2) (#24)
by rebelcool on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 12:58:21 AM EST

it seems the texas rules may be a bit more relaxed, but for mcveighs last meal the following stipulations were placed:

No more than $20

Must be available locally.

The prison cooks dont cook it, rather a guard or someone goes out, purchases it and brings it back - usually. Unless the inmate requests that his mother or someone cook it for them. Which does happen from time to time.

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Texas has $20 rule (4.00 / 1) (#29)
by Merk00 on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 08:06:17 AM EST

I believe Texas also has the $20 rule. So there is quite a limit to what you can get. Then again I don't think I'd want something incredibly elegant for my last meal. Rather, I'd prefer something more comforting. But that's just me.

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$20 joint (none / 0) (#57)
by alprazolam on Wed Jun 13, 2001 at 02:54:16 PM EST

that would probably be my choice.

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heh.. (none / 0) (#61)
by rebelcool on Wed Jun 13, 2001 at 03:43:14 PM EST

they wouldnt even give the inmates cigarrettes or beer. I think if you're about to die, you should be allowed at least a cigarette.

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Check this out! (3.00 / 1) (#14)
by Gutza on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 10:19:17 PM EST

If you want to see how to file a report, check this out:
"As Rohus began to walk away, Smith called him back and fired a shot as Smith pleaded for his life." The next sentence doesn't make sense either if you suppose (as I did) that he only fired one shot which went through the heart. But I could be mistaken on this one.
Anyway, morbid idea...

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Heh (3.00 / 1) (#23)
by delmoi on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 12:23:44 AM EST

Looks like they called the victem by the defendants name, should have said "as Rohus pleeded for his life" Makes much more sense that way.
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Why is it (4.00 / 8) (#18)
by enterfornone on Mon Jun 11, 2001 at 11:00:40 PM EST

That the reports all note the race of the inmate and the victim, even when few other details of the victim are noted?

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Because much has been made... (4.00 / 1) (#28)
by michaela on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 08:00:14 AM EST

about minorities getting sentenced to capital punishment disproportionately more than caucasians.
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Hm (3.66 / 3) (#27)
by haiiro on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 03:44:45 AM EST

This page made me sad, but it was interesting to try and think about what the inmates had in mind when they made their choices.

Personally, I think I'd either decline my final meal, ask for one relatively simple thing (olives perhaps) or screw things up by ordering too much and not enjoying it at all.

The notion of deciding what you want the last thing you taste in life to be (aside from whatever you may taste between then and when you get killed, I suppose) is a strange one. I suspect most folks won't get to decide that, and those that do (like these DR inmates, or old folks in homes, etc.) have already lost so many other priveliges that it would either be meaningless or very meaningful.

In any case, it would be a difficult decision, and likely to make me very reflective.

(This is my first post on K5.)

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I know what I would ask (3.50 / 2) (#33)
by Betcour on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 09:13:31 AM EST

A woman ! This would be refused unfortunately but it's definitely what I'd like to have before dying. Hamburgers and fries are fine but that isn't the best thing life has to offer.

Funny to see that cigarets are forbidden... are they affraid the poor guy is going to get cancer ? Even before death, they have to keep enforcing politicaly correctness.

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WARNING: sexist flamebait ahead (4.00 / 3) (#41)
by mikpos on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 12:18:01 PM EST

Keeping in mind that the limit is $20, you may wish to reconsider your request for a woman.

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Casualness (2.00 / 4) (#39)
by silentz on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 10:44:31 AM EST

I love (is that the right word?) the way the staff at this place are so casual about legal murder that they just scrawl Executed 12/3/01 or whatever on the "offender's" file, scan it and probably stuff it in a box in a small room.

I also like the way the crimes are all glamourised ...
Billy-bob shot bobby-ray-sue-ellen in the face as she begged for mercy in the car park of K-mart
just the facts please, you texan freaks.

Glamourized? (3.00 / 1) (#40)
by jabber on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 12:17:44 PM EST

That is a completely factual description. A glamourized one would have been :

The ruthlessly malevolent scoundrel Billy-bob, remorselessly and in cold blood shot poor and defenseless bobby-ray-sue-ellen, a former and possibly future Miss Texas runner-up, in her quasi-angelic face, ruining her judiciously applied make-up and Big Hair, as she repeatedly, but to no avail begged for mercy, while sobbing tears that would have wrenched the heart of even the most cold-hearted, and soul-less miscreant, in the newly paved, and asphalt-scented, car park of the popular area attraction, K-mart, as the dying blossoms of surrounding cherry and apple trees fell all around them in a Noreaster-like blizzard of pink and white, which transformed the horrific tabeau into a peaceful and serene moment not unlike that found inside of a snow-globe, available for purchase right inside the aforementioned K-mart for only $4.95.

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fiction (4.00 / 2) (#42)
by silentz on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 12:23:00 PM EST

You know, there are a lot of creative people who submit comments to kuro5hin - there should be a new section for "Fiction"... perhaps I will suggest it.

Mind you, half the diaries are just that, so maybe it's already covered.

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my order (none / 0) (#47)
by coffee17 on Tue Jun 12, 2001 at 05:33:31 PM EST

Pot roast, hold the roast, herb toast, hold the toast and hash browns, hold the browns. It should be noted that denny's has (had?) a main entree with pot roast, hash browns and herb toast.

-coffee


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