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Opt out of X-10 popup ads!

By delmoi in MLP
Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 09:29:05 AM EST
Tags: Internet (all tags)

Check it out You can opt-out of seeing those annoying pop-up ads for X-10 cameras! Now if only I could get rid of all of those "You're a winner" popups, I'd be happy.

One thing to note, the opt-out only lasts for 30 days. Btw, I got this off memepool


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Opt out of X-10 popup ads! | 40 comments (38 topical, 2 editorial, 0 hidden)
You can also opt-out by turning off JavaScript ... (4.40 / 5) (#1)
by istevens on Thu Jun 21, 2001 at 08:47:05 PM EST

I have JavaScript turned off and only turn it on when I go to a site which is important to me and which requires it, such as the site I use for online banking. This way, I opt-out of *ALL* pop-up ads!

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KDE Konqueror option... (4.50 / 4) (#2)
by Speare on Thu Jun 21, 2001 at 09:11:52 PM EST

KDE Konqueror web browser has a "miscellaneous javascript setting" that disables the "window.open()" feature of JavaScript.

Best of many worlds, it lets me use JavaScript that enhances a site, but kills off the annoying distractions that obscure a site.

[ e d @ e x p l o r a t i . c o m ]
Mozilla (4.00 / 1) (#7)
by LukeyBoy on Thu Jun 21, 2001 at 10:50:46 PM EST

I submitted that exact feature to the Mozilla bug tracker a long time ago, and it started a discussion about how hard it would be to implement a full blown security manager for JavaScript code. Needless to say, I prompty switched to Konq.

[ Parent ]
Now in Mozilla (none / 0) (#39)
by mbrubeck on Sun Jul 01, 2001 at 04:00:41 PM EST

Mozilla can now disable specific Javascript capabilities including Window.open, per-site if necessary. See the release notes.

[ Parent ]
Exactly (none / 0) (#40)
by LukeyBoy on Mon Jul 02, 2001 at 10:24:22 PM EST

The option is buried in the antiquated preferences JavaScript file... why not a nice little check box in the Prefs dialog?

[ Parent ]
Excellent point! (none / 0) (#9)
by sombragris on Thu Jun 21, 2001 at 10:51:37 PM EST

Really, really, the KDE folks did some things right:
  1. The offer to disable window.open();
  2. The offer to turn off rendering of HTML in Kmail; and
  3. The cookie management of kcookiejar that allows for "Always/Never for this site." That's a killer.
It is so difficult for Mozilla/Netscape to have this little three features?

[ Parent ]
IE (none / 0) (#12)
by DeadBaby on Thu Jun 21, 2001 at 11:48:17 PM EST

IE also lets you allow/disallow cookies by site. It also lets you keep session cookies on to make everyday web tasks possible.
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Ok (none / 0) (#14)
by ZanThrax on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 04:22:55 AM EST

splain how. Keeping session cookies enabled is good, but how the hell do you set site-by-site permissions?

If there's nothing you'd die for, then what do you have to live for?

[ Parent ]
SIte by SIte Cookie Settings in IE (3.00 / 1) (#17)
by Tim C on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 05:06:15 AM EST

I don't remember exactly how, as I haven't regularly used IE in a while (no port to Linux yet ;) ), but you'll be wanting the "Security" pane in the Options applet.

From memory, you can edit one of the security levels to allow (or disallow) cookies, and add the site(s) you want to it. Bingo - per site cookie control, of a sort.



[ Parent ]
Well I'll be buggered (none / 0) (#19)
by ZanThrax on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 06:32:14 AM EST

that was right easy. Buh-bye zilla!

If there's nothing you'd die for, then what do you have to live for?

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Re: Ok (none / 0) (#37)
by ncc74656 on Sun Jun 24, 2001 at 01:07:41 AM EST

splain how. Keeping session cookies enabled is good, but how the hell do you set site-by-site permissions?

Use the different security zones IE offers. Put the sites that you know will do Bad Things (TM) in the restricted zone, and set the restricted zone so that about all IE will allow is to render HTML.

(What I'd really like now is to set up a user style sheet to keep websites from fscking with the scrollbar color. There's a reason Microsoft picked the colors in the default scheme...some sites have taken to changing the scrollbar to some hard-to-see colors. The CSS Anarchist's Cookbook has some info on user style sheets, and there's an option (under accessibility settings) that should enable use of user style sheets...but I'll be damned if I can get it to work. It's like it's completely ignored. :-| )

[ Parent ]

I know that feature of IE, but... (none / 0) (#20)
by sombragris on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 07:36:59 AM EST

it is not nearly as usable as the one from Konqueror. Furthermore, you will still have to live with forced HTML renderings of HTML emails in Outlook Express and you can not disable "window.open()".

[ Parent ]
Mozilla has #3 (none / 0) (#29)
by mauftarkie on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 12:03:18 PM EST

It's a feature I use every so often. You can even go back and unblock a site if you want -- handy for testing PHP sessions with track_vars enabled. You can block image sites, too, which I use for blocking most of the major ad banner places (like Doubleclick) since proxy support is spotty for me under Mozilla.

Without you I'm one step closer to happiness without violence.
Without you I'm one step closer to innocence without consequence.

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And site-by-site Javascript (none / 0) (#31)
by msphil on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 01:54:15 PM EST

That combination: no popup windows, cookie control by site, javascript by site (still want CSS by site), plus the niceness of AA fonts, has caused me to switch for my primary browser.

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30 days? Nope (4.80 / 5) (#3)
by Matthew Bafford on Thu Jun 21, 2001 at 09:37:08 PM EST

Just copy and paste the opt-out link into your address bar, and change =30 to =3680 to give yourself 10 years of ad freeness.

10 years should be enough. I doubt the ad will last THAT long.

Or, click here if you happen to be adventure impaired. Ignore where the webpage says 30 days; the server actually does set the cookie to however far ahead you want.

Of course, you could just edit the cookie to never expire, but why not get their server to do it for you?


Blast, foiled again (none / 0) (#13)
by J'raxis on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 12:30:08 AM EST

Beat me to it; I just discovered this myself and was about to post it. :)

I'm sure they'll remove this "feature" as soon as they realise people are employing it. This is about as dumb as those eCommerce sites that saved pricing info in "hidden" elements in forms, passed back as POST data.

-- The Redundant Raxis Raxis

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I must admire x-10... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
by rebelcool on Thu Jun 21, 2001 at 09:39:52 PM EST

if you regularly peruse websites, everyone has heard of them. That has to be the most successful internet marketing campaign yet. And by letting you opt out of them, thats just good relations too.

they seem to be pretty sophisticated too, considering they allow opting out. Hm, maybe some clever entrepreneurs can take note of this method of advertising and put a good business behind it...

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Entrepreneurs (5.00 / 1) (#23)
by Signal 11 on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 08:34:36 AM EST

Hm, maybe some clever entrepreneurs can take note of this method of advertising and put a good business behind it...

Or maybe an even more clever one will write a fool-proof proxy to stop stupid entrepreneurship like this.

Society needs therapy. It's having
trouble accepting itself.
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stupid? (5.00 / 1) (#35)
by rebelcool on Sat Jun 23, 2001 at 01:43:01 AM EST

how is being effective stupid? Because you want the internet to be a free and virgin land of blissfulness? Wake up. Theres no free lunch.

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TINSTAAFL (none / 0) (#38)
by Signal 11 on Wed Jun 27, 2001 at 11:09:56 AM EST

Theres no free lunch.

No, but I get sex for free whenever I want.

Society needs therapy. It's having
trouble accepting itself.
[ Parent ]

the cookie (4.50 / 2) (#6)
by xriso on Thu Jun 21, 2001 at 10:02:41 PM EST

The cookie is too simple:
.x10.com TRUE FALSE 995767727 PopUnder 0
As such, they have no way of keeping track of when it really should expire. Simply change that 995767727 to 2147483647, and you've got no ads until Jan 17, 2038. As for me, however, I've never seen one of the ads in the first place, as they are not compatible with lynx.
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Sadly... (3.50 / 2) (#8)
by rusty on Thu Jun 21, 2001 at 10:50:52 PM EST

It's unfortunate that X10's marketing is so annoying, because their home automation stuff really is pretty cool. Except the "wireless camera" which is *not* wireless (only the video transmission is wireless -- it still needs to be plugged in) and has terrible picture quality.

But the little radio plug sockets and stuff are very cool. :-)

Not the real rusty

wireless (1.00 / 1) (#30)
by majcher on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 12:12:54 PM EST

Actually, the cameras are available with a battery pack, instead of the power cord, making them truly wireless. If you get their 3-camera deal (yeah, yeah, I eventually caved to the irresistable power of pop-up ads), it comes with one "free" battery pack, or you can order them seperately. The cameras *are* very cool, by the way - it's a shame that X10 has chosen to brand themselves as the "annoying pop-up window guys".
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Ad campaign backfires for me (and probably others) (4.00 / 1) (#33)
by octothorpe on Sat Jun 23, 2001 at 12:22:22 AM EST

I think that X10 has wasted a whole lot of money on this campaign to hawk these cameras and in the process annoyed and alienated potential customers. Thinking about the kind of people that would want to buy home automation equiptment, it seems to me that they are exactly the sort of customers that would be pissed of by this kind of ad overkill. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that I'm the demographic that X10 is aiming for; techie, some spending cash, just bought a house, loves gadgets. But they have gotten my so annoyed so many times with those pop-up ads that I may never buy anything from them for just that reason.

[ Parent ]
And all this time... (none / 0) (#11)
by Quequeg on Thu Jun 21, 2001 at 11:11:49 PM EST

I've had X10.com in my host file mapped to

Not a great solution, but empty popups are better than none at all.

Use the squid-proxy... (4.00 / 1) (#18)
by cnvogel on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 05:07:56 AM EST

The 'squid' http-proxy has a nice feature to change requests that flow through it. Then there is the 'squirm' URL-rewriting program.

As an example:

  • Ask proxy for: http://www.spammer.com/popup/annoying.html
  • Proxy returns (instead): http://my.local.webserver/antipopup/close.html
  • ...which only consists of: {html}{body onload="close()"}{/body}{/html}

Whenever a known annoying popup is loaded by the webbrowser it is closed immediately.

As squirm allowes to use regular expressions to rewrite the URL you can use it to rewrite the MSN or NETSCAPE search-pages to use google instead :-). No need to change the standard-homepage in IE or Netscape anymore.

[ Parent ]
application pop-ups (none / 0) (#21)
by Refrag on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 08:16:42 AM EST

How does squid distinguish annoying advertizement pop-ups from pop-ups used in a Web application?


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[ Parent ]

application - popups (none / 0) (#26)
by cnvogel on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 09:47:38 AM EST

Squid can't distinguish between them, you just have to tell the rewrite-program the URL of the popups that annoy you.

Then you can replace the contents of the popup-window with something else, for example a close()-javascript.

[ Parent ]
URL (none / 0) (#32)
by Refrag on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 04:28:55 PM EST

Aren't the URLs of the annoying pop-ups unknown until the pop-up actually... pops up?


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question (none / 0) (#25)
by interiot on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 09:47:22 AM EST

Does anyone know of a unix-based proxy that can rewrite pages via user-specified regular expressions? (like perl's s/blah/blah2/ operator) Proxomitron does an excellent job of this for windows, but I wanted to run it under linux.

[ Parent ]
use internet explorer to block (none / 0) (#15)
by Highlander on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 04:38:12 AM EST

Put the annoying site(www.qrtspammer.com) into the list of sites with restricted security ( Tools/Internet Options/Security/Select restricted sites/Click on sites to add a site ) and a lot of annoying stuff will not be loaded.
The restricted setting should disable receiving content across different domains.
FYI, netscape had a similar concept, in ns4 or ns3 I think, but it was annoying(warning boyes).
Annotation: In short term, you are taking away revenue from the sites you visit by disabling banners.

Moderation in moderation is a good thing.
Damn, Kuro5hin remembers the menu settings for me (none / 0) (#16)
by Highlander on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 04:39:15 AM EST


Moderation in moderation is a good thing.
[ Parent ]
You need IE power tools. (none / 0) (#22)
by Signal 11 on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 08:32:04 AM EST

You need Internet Explorer Power Tools to do that. It's not part of IE5/6 by default...

Society needs therapy. It's having
trouble accepting itself.
[ Parent ]
How about those "You have 1 message" (none / 0) (#24)
by Orion Blastar on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 09:32:12 AM EST

Those "You have 1 email message waiting for you" ads? How do you opt out of those buggers? I see them all the time, with the evil "Shock the money" ads!

Junkbuster, take them away!
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Opt out for 30 Days... or 40... or 300? (4.00 / 2) (#27)
by cnvogel on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 09:55:30 AM EST

The URL used to disable the ads looks like this:


And it will set a cookie like this:

Set-Cookie: PopUnder=0; expires=Sun, 22-Jul-2001 14:02:00 GMT; path=; domain=. x10.com:80

You can replace the DAY=30 with anything you like, it will directly change the expire-value of the cookie.

So just opt out for 300 days

Disabled, but not disappeared (4.00 / 1) (#28)
by chromag on Fri Jun 22, 2001 at 11:54:16 AM EST

Has anyone else noticed that the X10 ads still pop up after one has opted out? They close immediately, but someone still gets the impression count and can see that you've gotten it and so forth. Just a little addendum.

dump the zeros

if you want the pop-ups to stop (none / 0) (#34)
by prostoalex on Sat Jun 23, 2001 at 12:43:59 AM EST

get a real opt-out tool - Panicware's Pop-up stopper. It's free from their site, and if you want a popup to take place, or a browser to open in a new window, just hold the Shift when clicking.

Bah, get The Proxomitron. =) (none / 0) (#36)
by Kasreyn on Sat Jun 23, 2001 at 02:33:20 AM EST


The Proxomitron - a customizable multipurpose http proxy by Scott R. Lemon.

The Proxomitron beats out Junkbusters and most other web "enhancers", IMHO. I've been using it for nearly 6 months without the slightest problem (ie basically bugless), and it's lived up to all my expectations and more. It operates as an http proxy, sitting between your browser and the web, and rewrites html by the criteria of rulesets you can define, before the html is ever rendered in the browser. Not only can you make custom rules to modify webapges however you like (within the bounds of html), and not only does it come with a large collection of useful rules that can be applied "out of the box", but it can also dynamically edit http headers and alter cookie behavior. On top of all this it's all but transparent: it uses a very small amount of system resources and doesn't have to have visible effects if you don't want it to.

This is an absolute must-have program for anyone trying to have an enjoyable time web surfing without all the hassles that corporations and html-know-nothings inflict on the web. It's also just plain useful, in that it gives you FAR more control over how your browser renders the data it receives. This is analogous to Microsoft's upcoming "SmartTags", where XP's browser will insert Microsoft code into every page viewed - however the Proxomitron gives you that power over any page you view, now. It even comes with a helpful "testing" interface to quickly write new custom rules.

Here endeth my gushing praise.


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