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8-bit Wars Revisited (Warning - Violence to Computers Inside :)

By LocalH in MLP
Fri Jul 13, 2001 at 12:55:20 PM EST
Tags: Humour (all tags)

Remember the old 8-bit wars? You know, Spectrum users calling the C64 the 'Commode 64', C64 users calling the Spectrum the 'Speculum' (among other things), and everyone calling the TRS-80 'Trash-80'? Well, those wars are back!

As you may or may not know, there is an annual flamewar on comp.sys.cbm and comp.sys.sinclair. One thing that Spectrum users do in tradition of this is burn a couple of C64s. What I don't get is the fact that there are two C64s, but only one charred motherboard. Maybe somebody got the other one and saved it from an untimely demise?

On the other side of the fence, a few years back, some C64 fans burnt a Spectrum (there's even a video of it). Quite a delightful sight, if you ask me. There's also some other equipment-maiming, such as a dead monitor and a dead videoplayer. Quite fun. Warning, though - these guys are crazy Brits :).


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What would you like to see burnt?
o Commodore 64 3%
o Sinclair ZX Spectrum 7%
o Radio Shack TRS-80 1%
o Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer 7%
o Apple II 6%
o Atari ST 5%
o Amiga 2%
o Bill Gates 62%

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8-bit Wars Revisited (Warning - Violence to Computers Inside :) | 28 comments (19 topical, 9 editorial, 0 hidden)
Smashed windows... (3.80 / 5) (#1)
by Nickus on Fri Jul 13, 2001 at 07:36:53 AM EST

While I was at university one year we welcomed our new freshmen by smashing some Windows computers with hammers. You have to make them understand from the beginning that Windows are not good for you. And too much exposure to Sun will result in cancer. That is why most nerds sit in dark, windowless rooms.

Due to budget cuts, light at end of tunnel will be out. --Unknown
Re: Smashed windows... (3.33 / 3) (#2)
by LocalH on Fri Jul 13, 2001 at 07:38:39 AM EST

I hope you included the Windows CD/floppies :)

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So, (3.33 / 3) (#6)
by pallex on Fri Jul 13, 2001 at 09:03:54 AM EST

where are the retro Amiga vs ST wars due to restart?

To start the ball rolling, wasnt the ST just an Amiga without the funky graphics/sound hardware...?

Rolling, Rolling, tRolling (none / 0) (#10)
by WinPimp2K on Fri Jul 13, 2001 at 09:42:06 AM EST

The ST had real video capabilities out of the box - a port for controlling a fairly high end video recorder. Those Amiga graphics capabilities you are so proud of were mere software "poofery". You had to go buy a Video Toaster before the Amiga could match (well OK, really far exceed) the video capability of the noble Atari.

[ Parent ]
Oids! (none / 0) (#14)
by pallex on Fri Jul 13, 2001 at 10:56:38 AM EST

Top game - got an emulator/image only a few days ago. That was one (the only?) decent game to not come out for the amiga. (defender meets asteroids)

The amiga`s `amiga only` game was Datastorm - a full on defender rewrite!!

[ Parent ]
Ok, let's go... (none / 0) (#27)
by LocalH on Mon Jul 16, 2001 at 06:23:14 AM EST

...apparently you've never used Broadcast Titler 2 on an ECS Amiga. Superhires is used for true 35ns pixel resolution (1472x480), matched only by the Toaster. Using raster tricks similar to those used on the C64 and Amiga by democoders, up to 320 colors on a standard hires screen and more than the standard 4 on a superhires screen (can't remember how many). Look at the output from a BT2-equipped Amiga, and you'll swear you're looking at a standalone chargen.

Besides, this software 'poofery' meant that you didn't have to install a card for the CG (the only thing you needed was a genlock card, and this enabled all applications to key graphics over video). I wonder why Innovision never updates BT2 to use AGA's advanced (at the time) features...

[ Parent ]
Amiga verses ST wars (4.00 / 1) (#12)
by Orion Blastar on Fri Jul 13, 2001 at 10:17:24 AM EST

Atari almost bought out the Amiga company, but The King of the Patato-People told Atari to make their own clone of it using GEM and Sam Tramiel instead of Tripos and Jay Miner and company. Commodore acutally bought out the Amiga company while Atari was being raided by Jack Tramiel, the guy who founded Commodore.

You remember Sam, he worked on the Commodore line of computers like the C64 and the 1541 drive.

Anyway the King of the Patato-People got his jollies seeing the ST verses Amiga flamewars start up, despite almost being the same machine! He fed on their hate, and used it to sell T-Shirts and Bumper Stickers. Also with the ST and Amiga users hating each other, he was able to get the Macintosh moving so that it was finally profitable. He kicked Steve Jobs out of Apple and put Jonh Sculley (his new stooge at the time) in place of Jobs. He needed Jobs to start up a new company named NeXT that used MACH kernel Unix on cube type system cases. It was all part of his plan to control the market. :)

If you believe any of this, I have a Golden Gate Bridge for sale. :)
*** Anonymized by intolerant editors at K5 and also IWETHEY who are biased against the mentally ill ***
[ Parent ]

Better yet: *preserve* your classic computers. (4.80 / 5) (#15)
by xdc on Fri Jul 13, 2001 at 11:23:46 AM EST

Am I the only one who thinks that it sucks to destroy classic computers and other increasingly rare bits of history? I mean, this is clearly not as bad as a book burning, but it's on the same vector, IMHO. Keeping alive some ancient platform rivalries may be fun(ny), but burning early microcomputers is lame, at best.

Agreed! (5.00 / 3) (#21)
by WWWWolf on Fri Jul 13, 2001 at 02:44:38 PM EST

Am I the only one who thinks that it sucks to destroy classic computers and other increasingly rare bits of history?
Certainly not! I always find destroying computer hardware pointless - even broken computers. And this history aspect is one of them - one day, the machines we are using will end up in museums (with label "1000 times faster than Apollo program computers, barely powerful enough to boot the OS" =). My rule has always been simple: If it's too slow, get a new one and find a better use for the old machine. If it boots, it's usable for something. If it doesn't boot, fix it. If it can't be fixed, elevate it on pedestal with label "our tireless workhorse (1989-2062), RIP." =)

-- Weyfour WWWWolf, a lupine technomancer from the cold north...

[ Parent ]
Hear hear (4.50 / 2) (#24)
by cpt kangarooski on Fri Jul 13, 2001 at 05:15:05 PM EST

While we obviously shouldn't place so much emphasis on the past that we ignore the future, I loathe the destruction of our history for such mindless purposes.

Besides, there are plenty of people who could probably derive some small use out of 8 bit machines. Personally, I'd like to see someone design one that was very easy to understand in both hw and sw, dirt cheap, reliable, and with a lot of documentation. Then we could use them to teach kids on. (so that they regard computers as a tool they can customize and use, and not something that is impenetrable and best left to geeks and Microsoft to control)

All my posts including this one are in the public domain. I am a lawyer. I am not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice.
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Absolutely! (5.00 / 1) (#28)
by CrayDrygu on Mon Jul 16, 2001 at 07:30:28 PM EST

That's precisely the reason I rescued a few computers from the local high school -- an Apple IIc+, an Apple IIe, and two Apple IIgs systems, one with a Woz signature.

The IIc+ has already been sent to a new loving home =) I'm still searching for people who want the rest, since they're just sitting in my closet and on my floor now.

[ Parent ]

A crappy of options (3.50 / 4) (#17)
by delmoi on Fri Jul 13, 2001 at 02:10:52 PM EST

Damnit, I want to se a mac burnt up!
"'argumentation' is not a word, idiot." -- thelizman
Instead of Fire, Consider an Explosion (3.00 / 2) (#22)
by Phil Gregory on Fri Jul 13, 2001 at 04:03:51 PM EST

No flaming macs, but will an exploding mac do? (Sadly, the site doesn't seem to have the video of them blowing the thing any more. You do have pictures, though.)

--Phil (I remember when this was featured on the (now defunct) Geek Site of the Day.)
355/113 -- Not the famous irrational number PI, but an incredible simulation!
[ Parent ]
Shades of AI (3.00 / 1) (#18)
by goosedaemon on Fri Jul 13, 2001 at 02:35:06 PM EST

Anyone else reminded of the flesh fair? I know I am. Besides, this is pretty wasteful.

What the...? (3.00 / 1) (#19)
by WWWWolf on Fri Jul 13, 2001 at 02:36:29 PM EST

Remember the old 8-bit wars? You know, Spectrum users calling the C64 the 'Commode 64', C64 users calling the Spectrum the 'Speculum' (among other things), and everyone calling the TRS-80 'Trash-80'? Well, those wars are back!
What do you mean? Did those wars end??? Why didn't anyone tell me about the end of the war?

But nice to see that the rest of the world has not forgotten the war. C64 beats everything else! Including the new computers! I will never surrender! The victory draws near...

-- Weyfour WWWWolf, a lupine technomancer from the cold north...

Re: "Trash 80", et. al (4.00 / 1) (#20)
by broken77 on Fri Jul 13, 2001 at 02:38:24 PM EST

Here's an acronym for Macintosh:

Most Applications Crash, If Not, The Operating System Hangs.

I used to have a bunch more, but that's the only one that sticks in my head :-)

I'm starting to doubt all this happy propaganda about Islam being a religion of peace. Heck, it's just as bad as Christianity. -- Dphitz

Another... (3.00 / 1) (#25)
by ramses0 on Fri Jul 13, 2001 at 06:05:10 PM EST

Most Intelligent Consumers Realize Our Software Only Fools Teens.

And not even that with all the h4x0rs.

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this thread belongs on the "other" site, (1.50 / 2) (#23)
by Quietti on Fri Jul 13, 2001 at 04:06:57 PM EST

Geez, an 8-bit war! Some people really need to learn the meaning of the word "vacation" and get a life. Besides, flame baits like this should be posted on this other site, where they belong, not here.

The whole point of civilization is to reduce how much the average person has to think. - Stef Murky
Perhaps I'm just weird (none / 0) (#26)
by Nurgled on Sat Jul 14, 2001 at 08:27:26 AM EST

I owned two Commodore 64s, a Spectrum and a VIC-20. Both the Commodore boxes and the Spectrum had their merits, and I did like the whole "BASIC commands are characters" thing the Spectrum had going on.

I still have the C64s and the Spectrum, but the C64s are both knackered in a similar way, and the Spectrum has a dodgy power connector which causes it to 'reboot' periodically.

For those who like blowing stuff up, you can find some guys burning more 'modern' components up at LetsBlowItUp.com. I have no affiliation whatsoever with it, but it does have some humour value I suppose.

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