Your post is more full of unsupported claims than I thought possible! The mind boggles!
(More people are killed accidently by police weapons in, say, Sweden, than through deliberate usage.)
A link please? Any reference?
Given the scandal of the West Midland's Serious Crime Squad (where torture was routinely used to extract confessions), it's good that guns are NOT more widely available to the police, and a sign of considerable humility. Which is good!
I don't see the connection between torture and guns. Are you saying that if they had guns they would torture people more? That they would shoot them instead? What are you claiming here?
Most of the deaths involving weapons and some form of security organization in Britain and Northern Ireland in the past 20 years, is mostly through political assassinations carried out by the SAS and RUC.
Again, support your claim. Reference?
American police know intimidation, fear and other forms of manipulation through power. But their knowledge of psychology is non-existant.
Actually most US police do receive training in dealing with suspects which includes some psychology. However, you might want to consider that different cultures require different methods. Maybe a British criminal is more likely to just hand over his weapon and go peacefully. Maybe an American criminal is more likely to try to shoot his way out. US police have been dealing with this culture for decades. They probably know better than the British how to deal with it. Remember what happened last time the British tried to deal with pissed off Americans? (ok ok.. that was a joke ;)
A police officer who is heavily-armed, and goes in, oozing barely-controlled rage, a near-psychotic hatred of anyone different (in any sense of the word), and with NO intention of taking prisoners, is going to get shot at. Sure, the criminal still has a choice, but a cornered animal WILL bite. (Well, excluding slugs, which don't have teeth.)
Oh come on! Can you be a little more dramatic and biased please?? I really doubt it. First of all, such a cop probably wouldn't last long on the force as other cops wouldn't want to be around him. Second, most of our police are not heavily armed. They have about the same sort of weapons that the suspects they encounter are likely have. The heavily armed cops aren't called in until the negotiations have failed and something needs to be done or if people's lives are in immediate danger.
If you don't have a gun, you've two choices. Learn to talk, or learn to dodge. The British are natural talkers. They're naturally empathic. It's a part of that culture, right down to the archetype of the little old lady who'll offer to listen to your problems over a cup of tea.
Bottom line: talking doesn't always work. When it doesn't, you'd better be prepared to defend yourself. If you're a police officer you'd better be prepared to kill a suspect who is threatening to kill you or another person. They almost always try talking first. The cop doesn't want to get shot either. If he can talk someone into dropping their weapon, he'll do it. If it looks like he's about to be shot, he'll shoot first. Moral of the story, don't point guns at cops unless you want to get shot.
Now yes, cops screw up, sometimes badly. Yes, there are bad cops, corrupt cops, inept cops, etc. I don't like the thought of coming in contact with them myself. They do sometimes kill innocent people. When that happens I think they should face prosecution if it was through negligence or for some similar reason. Like those cops in New York that shot Amidu Dialla (i'm guessing at the spelling). From all the information that was made public, I thought they should have gone to jail, all of them.
The fact is, those cops did the only thing they've ever been trained to do - apply force. Violently. And lots of it.
Sorry, but what they did is not what they are trained to do. They were out of control. When things like that happen, the cops should be put in jail.
If those police had no tear gas, no water cannons, no guns, no armor to hide behind, just a deep understanding of people, there would have been no "riot", no violence, no injuries.
LOL! How can you say this??? What evidence do you have to support it? Most of the people there WERE peaceful. The cops WERE out of line and deserve to be punished for it. Those that were actually rioting and destroying shops and whatnot would likely have done it anyway. You'd still have violence and injuries. A lot more police would probably have been hurt though.
"Wars do not make one great" is a very true statement. In Star Wars, the test of a Jedi was when you could face your fears, your dangers, WITHOUT the "benefit" of a lightsaber.
Too bad Yoda isn't available to train police forces. Then they could just wave their hands and say "You don't need the weapon. Put the weapon down." Then the criminal would say "I don't need this weapon. I'm going to kick it over to you." And then all would be well.
I will believe that America has freedom when the US Police unilaterally put down EVERY weapon they posess, and confront problems with their mind, rather than their substitute for their manhood. When arrogance is confronted with humility, when violence is fought with peace, when anger is fought with compassion... THEN you will have a country worth living in.
Thank $deity you aren't in charge then. The fact is that there are violent people out there. Plenty of them. Many of them are mentally unstable. They don't see things the way other people do. If the cops did as you suggest, then those people willing to use violence would run the country because nobody would oppose them with anything but words. Words lose out when someone doesn't care to listen to what you have to say.
Personally, I only get one shot at life. I don't plan to let someone take that from me. Guns will always be available to criminals. And even if they weren't, I'm not built to defend myself against a 250 pound guy with an aluminum bat either. The police aren't there to defend me. I have to do that for myself. I can call the 911 emergency number and report a break in, but the police will never be able to arrive in time to do anything about it. If the intruder intends to harm me, I have to defend myself. Guns happen to be the best tool for the job. If I get the oportunity, I'll certainly try talking first. If talk fails, force is the only option left to defend yourself. I intend to be able to do just that.
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