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Normal People Get High

By samth in MLP
Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 10:04:06 PM EST
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Ashkan Sahihi doesn't like the war on drugs. At least that's what the intro copy says. But he does like taking pictures. His newest series is pictures of people while they're high.

The drugs range from ketamine to crack to heroin.

The moral? Do mescaline.


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o What is heroin? 3%
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o What is pot? 45%
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Normal People Get High | 41 comments (39 topical, 2 editorial, 0 hidden)
Poll option (3.77 / 18) (#2)
by codepoet on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 02:06:00 PM EST

What is none?

If it ain't broke, fix it 'till it is.
Poll Optioin (4.25 / 8) (#3)
by threshold on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 02:18:42 PM EST

Where is caffeine?


Open Source, Open Standards, Open Minds
Nor to mention... (none / 0) (#36)
by codemonkey_uk on Thu Aug 16, 2001 at 12:17:40 PM EST

Alocohol, and/or Nicotine.

Not my bag, but some peoples drug of choice...
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"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell
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mescaline (1.85 / 7) (#4)
by Refrag on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 02:24:28 PM EST

Dude, mescaline obviously makes you look gay. Don't do it!

Refrag

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Looks like... (4.50 / 2) (#5)
by Khalad on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 02:40:39 PM EST

Or like Alan Cumming... unless I'm being redundant.

You remind me why I still, deep in my bitter crusty broken heart, love K5. —rusty


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Ketamine (4.50 / 2) (#6)
by Anatta on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 02:43:17 PM EST

Makes you look like Conan O'Brien!
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Don't forget your Towel! (3.62 / 8) (#7)
by ti dave on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 02:43:58 PM EST

"Wanna get high?"

"Oooh Man, I am sooo high, I don't even know what's goin' on!"

"Towlie, you're the worst character ever."
"Yeah, I know."


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"If you dial," Iran said, eyes open and watching, "for greater venom, then I'll dial the same."

Underwater level (4.00 / 1) (#33)
by MicroBerto on Thu Aug 16, 2001 at 09:41:06 AM EST

"Ooh we're going to the underwater sea base level!" (or something like this)

"Don't forget your... hehehe... towel!"

Berto
- GAIM: MicroBerto
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[ Parent ]

Promote responsible drug use. Just say,"somet (3.66 / 3) (#8)
by anansi on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 02:55:24 PM EST

This represents a promising start.

I would have liked to see pictures and accounts of experienced drug users doing their favorite drugs. It's disorienting enough(I know!) to try something new, without some guy with a camera insisting that I remain in my seat.

Still, this is a good beginning. The corperate-owned mass media is going to phrase the drug debate in very narrow terms: "which control method would you prefer, rehab, or prison?" while ignoring the possibility that resposible adults will sometimes choose to get fucked up because it's fun.

Don't call it Fascism. Use Musollini's term: "Corporatism"

Experiances (3.00 / 1) (#11)
by spiralx on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 03:57:17 PM EST

I would have liked to see pictures and accounts of experienced drug users doing their favorite drugs.

I take it you've been to the Erowid experiance vaults?

You're doomed, I'm doomed, we're all doomed for ice cream. - Bob Aboey
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Thanks for the links! (none / 0) (#31)
by anansi on Thu Aug 16, 2001 at 02:19:09 AM EST

Now I can go out and blow my mind away^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H see for myself just how awful and dangerous these drugs are, and why users need to be demonized at every turn.

It's a suprisingly good feeling to see that our government is not just declaring war on some inaniamte object called 'drugs' (which caffiene, sugar, tobacco and alcohol somehow fail to meet the standard) but that 'our' government has in effect, declared civil war on its own citizens. Somehow my ambient level of paranoia seems justified, even though I hardly ever imbibe.

What would it feel like, I wonder, to live in a genuine democracy?

Don't call it Fascism. Use Musollini's term: "Corporatism"
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trip reports (none / 0) (#14)
by treat on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 04:09:35 PM EST

I would have liked to see pictures and accounts of experienced drug users doing their favorite drugs.

The lycaeum trip reports are great. Some of them are very well-written and interesting. You can usually get a pretty good insight into the effects of a drug.

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erowid (none / 0) (#18)
by strlen on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 05:51:50 PM EST

you may want to check out the trip reports on erowid as well. there's a report about a death resulting in seizure of breath from DXM for instance. always suspected that dissasociatives are really bad as trip drugs.

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[T]he strongest man in the world is he who stands most alone. - Henrik Ibsen.
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Video (3.80 / 5) (#9)
by Signal 11 on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 03:13:42 PM EST

Video is much more telling than still pictures. Or at least a series of pictures.

Still, most everyone has a few pictures of themselves or their friends messed up... why not start a new website...

www.AmIHighOrNot.Com ?


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trouble accepting itself.

www.amistonedornot.com (5.00 / 1) (#26)
by plastik55 on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 10:05:22 PM EST

Already done.
w00t!
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Yeah,... (none / 0) (#27)
by Kaki Nix Sain on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 10:11:48 PM EST

... I thought the pictures were pretty lame too. A set of before, during, and after shots might have also been better.



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Give me a break... (2.04 / 22) (#10)
by WombatControl on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 03:51:09 PM EST

Ashkan Sahihi (above) is an Iranian/German photographer who is infuriated by the war on drugs. "I find it despicable," he says. "If the American government was really concerned about stopping drug abuse, things like legalization and free needle programs would at least enter the discussion. In the absence of that, all we have is a silly political tool to please the Christian right."

So if we legalize drugs the problem goes away! Sure, let's legalize rape too, them we won't have any more rapes. This kind of diatribe should best be left to those who actually know what they're talking about. Not only that, but the insinuation that it's only the "Christian right" that's moving these issues is a load of crap. Can we please put the notion of the "Christian right" controlling public policy in with the other racist filth like the "media/bank-controlling Jew" and the like into the dustbin of history where they so rightly belong? I'm fine with the legalization of some drugs, but it should not be justified through diatribes against religion.

Nor should such things as deliberately putting someone in physical harm for a photo shoot to be encouraged. It's unethical and just plain sick. Sure, maybe it's my antiquated "Christian right" system of values that oppresses minorities, women, homosexuals and endangered species, but administring dangerous substances with no medical supervision and then photographing the results is not a valid form of political protest. At least one can see the effects of these drugs and people and why the "Christian right" was correct in trying to stop them.



As long as it's voluntary (4.37 / 8) (#12)
by aphrael on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 03:58:15 PM EST

and the people involved know the risks, why is there a problem?

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Risks (3.00 / 5) (#16)
by yosemite on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 04:45:51 PM EST

and the people involved know the risks, why is there a problem?
First of all, it's not at all clear that everyone that does drugs (legal or not) really does understand the risks.

But perhaps more importantly, there's a vast difference between a sort of cold intellectual knowledge of the risks, and believing they can actually happen to you. Look at tobacco. In the US, for decades, every cigarette package sold has a rotating laundry list of the bad things it can do to your body. If everyone really understood how addictive niccotine is, and the risks of cancer, emphysema, heart disease, etc, etc, why would anyone not already addicted have anything to do with tobacco?

Then, of course, once you are addicted, it becomes very difficult to get clean. Why? Because it's extraordinarly hard to balance the very real pain of withdrawl against the hypothetical pain of a disease that may not fully manifest for years.

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Stupidity (2.33 / 3) (#19)
by Jazu on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 06:31:16 PM EST

Look at tobacco. In the US, for decades, every cigarette package sold has a rotating laundry list of the bad things it can do to your body. If everyone really understood how addictive niccotine is, and the risks of cancer, emphysema, heart disease, etc, etc, why would anyone not already addicted have anything to do with tobacco?
Yeah, well, people tend to do stupid things.

[ Parent ]
Point, counterpoint (5.00 / 2) (#29)
by aphrael on Thu Aug 16, 2001 at 12:40:57 AM EST

First of all, it's not at all clear that everyone that does drugs (legal or not) really does understand the risks.

Of course. I was referring to the people in the photo study, not drug users in general.

there's a vast difference between a sort of cold intellectual knowledge of the risks, and believing they can actually happen to you.

Granted. But I have a hard time swallowing the notion that this justifies throwing people who choose to run the risk in jail (thereby making it difficult for them to find gainful employment when they get out), or --- as they do in Iran --- publically flogging them, or --- as they do in southeast asia --- executing them. In each of those cases the 'cure' strikes me as being worse than the disease.

[ Parent ]

So? (3.00 / 1) (#37)
by ronin212 on Thu Aug 16, 2001 at 03:03:02 PM EST

When I smoked cigarettes I certainly understood what those warnings meant.

And I didn't care, either. When I started to care, I quit.

I fail to see how me ignoring the well-known risks is a cause for you to get your undies in a bunch and start taking cigarettes and the like away from me.

If I enjoy smoking tobacco enough that I don't give a fuck about my lungs, what business is it of yours?


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Now is the time... get on the right side! You'll be godlike.
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Second Hand Smoke, for one. (3.00 / 1) (#41)
by mauftarkie on Fri Aug 17, 2001 at 12:32:34 PM EST

If I enjoy smoking tobacco enough that I don't give a fuck about my lungs, what business is it of yours?

Subject says it all. I care about my lungs. If you don't care about yours, that's your option, but don't smoke around those of us that do. Find somewhere where I'm not going to walk by. This especially includes public doorways and sidewalks. Go as far away as possible. It's your right to smoke as much as it's my right to breathe clean, smoke free air. Don't tread on my rights and I won't tread on yours. :)


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Without you I'm one step closer to happiness without violence.
Without you I'm one step closer to innocence without consequence.


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precious little isnt "voluntary" (1.00 / 1) (#40)
by eLuddite on Thu Aug 16, 2001 at 08:03:12 PM EST

I think its naive to think social problems are a matter of strictly personal choices. Why does the West have a problem with drug addiction and not the Golden Triangle? Why are there more fat alcoholics in the US than in a food loving, wine worshiping country like France? Clearly there are social forces at work which cannot be explained by an appeal to causally incoherent notions of voluntariness. If we are so willing to accept the outcome of one set of social forces, why should we throw up our hands and pretend, from this moment onwards, it will be settled as a matter of "voluntary" individual decisions instead of instituting a field of choices according to a different social outcome?

I'm not saying drugs should be a criminal offense or that addiction should be cured by prison, I'm saying this notion of "if it hurts no one, what does it matter" is the reason why we put users behind bars when they do or are perceived as doing wrong to someone. Very few people in prison got there because they are evil.

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God hates human rights.
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legalization of drugs v. rape (4.87 / 8) (#15)
by Signal 11 on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 04:41:56 PM EST

One is involuntary, forced, by another person through physical means (I'm ignoring statutory rape in this definition, yes), and leaves definite physical and psychological trauma, which is supported by empirical and clinical observation.

The other is voluntary, and rarely forced onto someone (no, "peer pressure" does not constitute force - regardless of what the 'victims of society' crowd think). In addition, many illegal (schedule I) drugs have not been proven to cause any long-term physical problems. With ecstacy (MDMA), there has been no strong link between MDMA use and brain damage - mostly due to the fact that most people who use drugs heavily use multiple drugs heavily, and therefore cannot isolate which drug (or the combination) that is causing damage. Even when damage has been documented (with MDMA), there is only a weak correlation between heavy use of MDMA and cognitive disfunction / emotional problems. In other words, it's statistically insignificant. Marijuana is another one of those drugs where there have been few proven (physical) long-term side-effects - many researchers question the common belief that long-term use of marijuana can cause personality shifts. The only research I'm aware of on side-effects of marijuana that could be damning is that smoking it causes diminished lung capacity (similar to smoking cigarettes), and that if heavy users of the drug stop using it suddenly they can experience an increase in aggressive tendancies for up to 5 days after.

This is why people who go to jail for rape are usually kept physically seperate from the rest of the inmates - they often wind up dead. Drug dealers and users, by comparison, don't get that kind of treatment, and society at large is much more tolerant of drug use than rape - for good reason. So the legal system, as well as society, views rape as dramatically different than drug use.

In the future, please don't try to make sweeping generalizations like that in the future to buffet your argument, you only look like a fool when the analogy fails.




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Society needs therapy. It's having
trouble accepting itself.
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strawman (4.71 / 7) (#21)
by speek on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 07:21:57 PM EST

So if we legalize drugs the problem goes away! Sure, let's legalize rape too...

No, that's a strawman.

If the American government was really concerned about stopping drug abuse, things like legalization and free needle programs would at least enter the discussion

What he's saying is that it's obvious that the government isn't interested in having an effective program to stop drug use. If they were, they would listen to suggestions other than stiffer and stiffer penalties. The debate would include legalization of drugs and regulation. Doctor prescriptions to those addicted. An interest in listening to what science has to say about the real dangers of the drugs. The fact that such strategies aren't even acceptable to be discussed in the political realm strongly suggests that some other agenda is being pursued.

Regarding the Christian Right, you didn't say anything to demonstrate why people are incorrect in assuming the Christian Right is one of the strongest backers of the war on drugs. In fact, you pretty much demonstrated the truth of that impression with your last sentence. I'm also not clear on why the term "Christian right" is racist. Which race is that, exactly? Christian Right is a moral and religious stance that one takes voluntarily - it isn't a category that one involuntarily finds oneself in (excepting deliberately false insults, of course). It's no more racist than the terms "Libertarian", "Communist", "Socialist", "Liberal", "Pro-choice", etc.

Are you a member of the "Christian Right"?

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Pictures (3.66 / 3) (#13)
by ucblockhead on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 03:59:54 PM EST

I have an extremely amusing picture at home which I unfortunately cannot share (because I've lost track of many of the people in it) that is just a classic. It was taken right around 1986, just before X (which you young 'uns call 'E') became a schedule one drug. The picture is a classic. There is one poor guy on a couch, with a dour expression (stone sober) surrounded by eight other people, all with that blissed-out X look, drapped on, around and in front of him. You can almost feel the waves of saccherine niceness come out of the photograph.
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Give me a break (2.66 / 6) (#17)
by /dev/trash on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 05:22:01 PM EST

This guy clams 'normal' people came and got high? What normal person would say "yeaaaah, I've never smoked crack but today I will just for the hell of it." Give me a break.

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Well, (4.00 / 3) (#22)
by spacejack on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 08:05:24 PM EST

How does anyone ever decide to smoke crack?

[ Parent ]
Good point (4.00 / 1) (#23)
by /dev/trash on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 09:08:19 PM EST

But I am under the impression that these people are aware of teh dnagers associated with drug use. To go to somebody who claims to be doing it as a project or whatever and then let him give you what he *claims* is heroin or crack is insane.

I just don't think the people he had try say LSD had never dropped acid before. the risk is too high for sudden death if you ask me. ( Not with LSD mind you but with crack for sure.)

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but (4.00 / 1) (#25)
by spacejack on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 09:49:27 PM EST

Hard drug is hardly uncommon amongst the rich and educated. I admit, I probably wouldn't have tried crack for that experiment, but even if I did I probably wouldn't be too worried about it. I'm also pretty queasy about needles or the thought of snorting stuff up my nose, but lots of people aren't so inhibited.

[ Parent ]
sudden death? (4.00 / 1) (#28)
by treat on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 10:54:29 PM EST

the risk is too high for sudden death if you ask me. ( Not with LSD mind you but with crack for sure.)

What is the risk of sudden death from crack or other forms of cocaine? Your comment is the first I've heard that there is a substantial risk. You would think that there would be people dropping dead left and right if this were the case.

[ Parent ]

Heart problems (4.00 / 1) (#32)
by /dev/trash on Thu Aug 16, 2001 at 05:57:00 AM EST

If a person has unknown or even known heart problems, there is no way to tell if one line or 5 lines of coke would be enough to mess up the heart. Granted it's a stretch but it could happen and I'd not want to risk it.

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More discussion (3.50 / 2) (#20)
by A Dapper M on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 06:57:22 PM EST

Smokedot's got a discussion of this website here. Includes an interesting discussion about www.dammadd.com (you'll see why this is interesting when you read it...), among other things.

"I sought only myself." - Heraclitus


I went to dammadd.com and narced on ... (none / 0) (#39)
by pyramid termite on Thu Aug 16, 2001 at 06:34:50 PM EST

... The CIA, for sponsoring Latin American drug cocaine smugglers. Wonder what my reward will be?
On the Internet, anyone can accuse you of being a dog.
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funny that he's... (5.00 / 2) (#24)
by jbridge21 on Wed Aug 15, 2001 at 09:41:43 PM EST

... using PHP files on a web site talking about drugs.

These people look messed up.... (3.00 / 1) (#30)
by Blarney on Thu Aug 16, 2001 at 01:22:45 AM EST

Do I look like that when I'm high? Oohh, they look completely bombed.

Haaa... Haaa... Haaa... HaSHISH! (4.33 / 3) (#34)
by X-Nc on Thu Aug 16, 2001 at 10:08:53 AM EST

I spent my "fun" years in Europe so I got lots of hash and only the occational bit of pot (which usually cost twice what the hash did). It's been nearly a decade since I've taken anything that hasn't been perscribed by a doctor. Sometimes I think I miss those days of being so stoned out of my mind I couldn't see. But then I see my 4 & 1/2 year old son and I don't. I can't say that drugs were a detriment on my life (except for the brain cells that were killed) but I was lucky in that I had a very strong family and a good foundation in life to start with so I always was able to keep from going to far.

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Picture -= Thousand Words (3.00 / 1) (#38)
by maveness on Thu Aug 16, 2001 at 05:39:48 PM EST

You have to read the photographer's captions to the pictures. The pictures are mostly "pretty" studio shots. But the captions talk about him being scared, about a guy puking his guts out, etc.

Image is not automatically substance. All these photos tell you is what somebody looked like for the 1/1000 of a second when the shutter was open. All photography is an edit of reality. Why don't we have any images of the guy puking, for example?

I used to be a professional photographer, and I know only too well how selective a view of reality every photograph is. I also have a close relative who's a heroin junkie, and I'm here to tell you that the ongoing reality is nowhere as attractive as these photos (although she sometimes takes a good picture, and can pass for healthy from time to time).

None of which is an argument for or against legalization of drugs. Personally, I'm in favor of highly regulated legalization and huge gov't spending on rehab.

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