What are you? A federal agent hoe wants people to think sil is some
kind of bad person?
Sure buddy, whatever you say.
Or why else would you think anyone who use their
freedom of speech to write documents about programs that the
government uses to tap on to that exact freedom deserves jail time
You haven't been following US society too closely have you? Outside
of geek circles, there is a growing tide of approval for laws concerning
behavior in the cyber-realm. Additionally, judging from the tone of your
post, I don't plan to spend much time debating the complex tradeoffs between
freedom and responsibility with you. Hope thats ok with you.
Are you jealous because sil has a brain and you don't?
Let me rephrase that, I don't plan to spend time debating anything with
why else would you think he deserves jail? Do you have any evidence
He sounded like he was guilty of the crime of overreaching. Security is much
more than learning to smash the stack for fun and profit. This is a white hot
field where missteps can be pretty catastrophic to your career. Remember Merlin
the uberhacker? You have to know how to handle the suits, and keep appearances
squeaky clean. How many seemingly illogical guilty verdicts does it take to
convince thick skulls like yours that many legal boundaries in cyberspace are
still a moving target?
Oh yes, guilty of speaking his mind, but that's not a crime,
now is it?
If its in the US, you'd better damn well believe it is. These are treacherous
times for the intellectually clumsy.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty beyond doubt?
Boy, you really have been under a rock haven't you?
I for one think _you_ deserve jail time desperately, since you posted an
Thats the spirit! Dubya wants YOU!
Or wait, that's not a crime is it?
Gee, and you were doing so well.
You say you've never seen a
more deserving fellow. How about people that actually commit crimes?
How about people who rape and kill and torture, who sell drugs to kids,
who beat their wives and children up every weekend? Do you really think
sil deserves jail time more than them? You are one sick puppy.
How about the ass who broke into my computer?
Noones gloryfying anyone here. You say you _have_ to read any
evidence like you were a jury member. Tell me, did you? Were _you_ at
the trial? Or where did you decide that you had never seen a more
Why couldn't I view his page as an argument for his innocence? Or did
he himself believe in his own guilt?
Isn't that exactly the point here? How _do_ you explain advanced
technology to someone who doesn't know anything about anything?
Heres how I explain my innocence. I don't access systems without authorization.
I don't preach circumvention of laws. When I protest or otherwise participate
in civil disobedience, I do my jail time without being a snotnosed little whiner.
They won't understand, unless you have a very good lawyer that
explains it all in simple terms. If you had bothered reading up on this
case, you would have known that sil had a federal defender, since he
lacked the dollars needed to get a _real_ lawyer.
Interestingly enough, I'm not in his shoes. If you put two and two together,
you might figure out why.
You would also have
known that he wrote that document to let people know his views, if not
much more, about this case, and to inform the people that visit his site
why he was going away
And he insulted all my 70 year old relatives. Hope he feels better.
Did he deserve jail time more than anyone else
in the world? No, I don't think so. Bottom line.
And your opinion counts for squat.
He is a very skilled security professional. That's beyond any kind of
doubt. I think you should use these two years to learn that convicting
someone for something without having evidence is wrong.
If he's a very skilled security professional, why's he going to jail?
I've got a better evaluation. He may have had uber-tech skills, but lacked
the other half of the skills, how to guard your reputation when working
in security. This is the most important skill of all, after all, when you think
of it, if I can handle the reputation part of this job, I can let rainforestpuppy
and others do the tech work. Now think about that part, you know, the
sensitive, subjective, above all, difficult part of communicating security
concerns to non-digital carbon based life forms. Oh yeah, thats right,
you forgot about that big part of security work, didn't you?
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