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The Great Experiment

By rusty in News
Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 08:13:42 AM EST
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I have to say I'm surprised. Story moderation seems to have worked much better than I expected, much sooner than I expected. As of Monday, I figured it would be some time before anything even got posted by story moderation alone, and here it is Thursday and I haven't posted anything myself since Monday. Bravo! But now is the real test. I'm off to New Hampshire for the weekend to have fun in the snow, and I don't have a laptop or any kind of internet connection there. So the site is in your hands. Keep the articles and the great discussion coming, and I'll see you all on Monday.


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The Great Experiment | 23 comments (23 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: The Great Experiment (none / 0) (#1)
by Strange Charmed One on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 08:49:20 AM EST

Have a great time, and good luck with the continuing experiment Rusty!
It should work as long as the trolls don't start appearing (if they do, is there anyone to hit them?)
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Have Fun (none / 0) (#2)
by hattig on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 09:50:12 AM EST

Have Fun.

Nice to have an automatic system isn't it! As long as stories are submitted, then it is great. The problem comes when no stories are submitted, or the number of users climbs to a point where the number of votes required to post a story has to be increased... :-)

Nice to see the warning message about Trolls.

Re: Have Fun (none / 0) (#15)
by bmetzler on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 02:02:02 PM EST

...or the number of users climbs to a point where the number of votes required to post a story has to be increased... :-)

Well, I believe Rusty said that it was set to require 5% of registered members voting yes, to go on the front page. So, as more people register, more votes will automatically be needed to post it.

-Brent
www.bmetzler.org - it's not just a personal weblog, it's so much more.
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Bad boy.. (none / 0) (#3)
by Inoshiro on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 10:42:50 AM EST

"Posted by Inoshiro on Tue Feb 15th, 2000 at 01:45:24 AM
[editor's note, by rusty] I posted this myself, because it cracked me up.
"

;-P

But the story submission thing still works. And it's great, because there's no H/CT/CN/JK/etc bottleneck. It's all peer review. So the main problem with /., is gone. And since only a few of us (wink, nudge) seem to be using this site, the SNR is way, way lower. Although /. can still be read is you set your threshold to 3..

I'll probably start pining for the days when kuro5hin.org having 20 posts in a story meant it was a hot topic once we get big.. It'd be nice to be able to see our user numbers, like in slash, so we elders can brag to the youngsters ;-)

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User Numbers (none / 0) (#4)
by joeyo on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 11:03:28 AM EST

You can see your user numbers, albiet in a roundabout way:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=user&tool=info&uid=83

Nice to meet you uid #83.

going to look up my own...
/joeyo

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Re: User Numbers (none / 0) (#12)
by Paul Dunne on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 01:45:48 PM EST

Hah! User number *12* waves his private parts at you! Your mother was a hampster, and your father smelt of elderberries! (You're not archiving this stuff, Rusty, sure you're not? Rusty? Rusty??)

Besides, it's not fair! I wanted to be user number 6.
http://dunne.home.dhs.org/
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Re: User Numbers (none / 0) (#14)
by bmetzler on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 01:53:57 PM EST

Besides, it's not fair! I wanted to be user number 6.

Well, if you go through the UID's below 12, you'll find that no one else, except Rusty who is 2, has posted anything. I guess that would make you the first active member. How does that make you feel?

-Brent
www.bmetzler.org - it's not just a personal weblog, it's so much more.
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Re: User Numbers (none / 0) (#16)
by Paul Dunne on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 02:28:03 PM EST

It makes me feel ELITE (I can't do the funny spelling).

Actually, it is interesting to be in at the start. I can't say I was with /.; by the time I created an account, I was #5xxx -- not *quite* the same.

Anyway, I wanted to be number six so I could have a sig that said "I am not a number, I am a free man!". Doesn't anyone here remember The Prisoner?
http://dunne.home.dhs.org/
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Re: User Numbers (none / 0) (#19)
by joeyo on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 02:46:40 PM EST

I've been on /. long enough to have a uid in the tripple digits (several hundred were given out in the first day accounts. were activated) and, as scary as it sounds, this site reminds me a lot of what /. used to be like in its infancy.

I guess I'd better shut up now before I jinx something.

/joeyo
disgruntled /. user #173

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"Give me enough variables to work with, and I can probably do away with the notion of human free will." -- demi
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Re: User Numbers (none / 0) (#21)
by Inoshiro on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 08:05:40 PM EST

Ahh, to be user 31337 !! :-)

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Re: The Great Experiment (none / 0) (#5)
by Emacs on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 11:58:41 AM EST

This is a terrific idea. It will let the "personality" of the site really shine through and hopefully stop some of the redundency(sp) that seems to happen on /. I don't mean to bag on slashdot, but it's really taken on a "bash the evil enemy" flavor which is really turning me off.

Re: The Great Experiment (none / 0) (#6)
by bmetzler on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 12:07:08 PM EST

I don't mean to bag on slashdot, but it's really taken on a "bash the evil enemy" flavor which is really turning me off.

Actually, it's more like everything's the "evil enemy" and should be destroyed. I like something a little more positive.



-Brent
www.bmetzler.org - it's not just a personal weblog, it's so much more.
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Re: The Great Experiment (none / 0) (#7)
by Demona on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 12:35:57 PM EST

Hilarious -- two of the latest stories on Slashdot have already been posted here (the Knuth interview and the "Internet isolation" one). You're already setting the trends, man!

-dj

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Re: The Great Experiment (none / 0) (#8)
by ramses0 on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 12:38:46 PM EST

The only thing we need to do is keep up the story submission queue. -That- will be really slick. Stories to talk about are good, but lots of stories to talk about are better. ;^)=

--Robert
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Re: The Great Experiment (none / 0) (#9)
by Emacs on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 12:56:54 PM EST

Things that I would like to see/read about:

1) Book reviews... not just "new" books, but "favorite" books too. I have found many great books from recommendations on the net that I never would have read otherwise

2) Software reviews.. The mozila piece was a nice start. The explosion of open source software make it hard to keep up with all of the interesting stuff that's coming out.

3) Techy stuff... not just MS vs Linux, but how about stuff like IPV6 vs IPV4...etc...

4) Lets make this a cool site, I'm going to try to do my part...

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Re: The Great Experiment (none / 0) (#13)
by bmetzler on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 01:46:53 PM EST

1) Book reviews... not just "new" books, but "favorite" books too. I have found many great books from recommendations on the net that I never would have read otherwise

Me too. Of course, this is a community driven site, so that means that if there's going to be book reviews you and I will be the ones to do them. On my part, I plan to write a few books reviews soon, pending time restraints.

2) Software reviews.. The mozila piece was a nice start. The explosion of open source software make it hard to keep up with all of the interesting stuff that's coming out.

Yes, in fact, there's so much software, that sometimes I don't know which to pick, and I don't have the time or resources to evaluate all of them. So I have to pick on and go with it. It'd be nice to have reviews by people who have tried some of the other choices out.

3) Techy stuff... not just MS vs Linux, but how about stuff like IPV6 vs IPV4...etc...

AI, space, quantum mechanics, math, nanotech...

4) Lets make this a cool site, I'm going to try to do my part...

Submit stories :)

I've got to get Rusty to swap the [ Parent ] and [ Reply to This ] links. I got more bad habits from slashdot then I realized.

-Brent
www.bmetzler.org - it's not just a personal weblog, it's so much more.
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Re: The Great Experiment (none / 0) (#17)
by Paul Dunne on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 02:44:15 PM EST

"How-to" software articles, pointers to new and useful stuff, book reviews: that's a concise description of what I mainly got out of slashdot. If we can get a regular flow going here, it will be something well worth while. Discussions are all very well, but I like the hard facts! Even something as simple as the little piece on X fonts recently taught me something I didn't know. I like that; gaining and (hopefully) lending knowledge.
http://dunne.home.dhs.org/
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Re: The Great Experiment (none / 0) (#10)
by bmetzler on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 01:00:59 PM EST

Hilarious -- two of the latest stories on Slashdot have already been posted here (the Knuth interview and the "Internet isolation" one).

Not only do we get to read it here first, with an insightful discussion, but here don't get it from Jon Katz. :)

You're already setting the trends, man!

Think about it. We get it here, with story moderation, before it's finally decided to be posted on slashdot. Of course, it probably somewhat occurs because of the low number of submission stories and the low number of members. But I still think it shows that the story moderation is working.

-Brent
www.bmetzler.org - it's not just a personal weblog, it's so much more.
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Re: The Great Experiment (none / 0) (#11)
by joeyo on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 01:41:10 PM EST

Agreed. I'm very impressed with how well the story moderation is working. I have been suggesting story moderation to Malda for a long time but I hadn't even dreamed it would work this well. I had thought of story moderation existing in addition to CT, H, RL, JK posting stories but I see now that story moderation can potentially replace those guys.

IMHO, this is why /. has been reluctant to implement story moderation. CT would loose a lot of editorial power and Katz would probably never get a story posted again ;)

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"Give me enough variables to work with, and I can probably do away with the notion of human free will." -- demi
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Re: The Great Experiment (none / 0) (#18)
by Paul Dunne on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 02:46:18 PM EST

It will be interesting to watch for the time on kuro5hin when we stop comparing ourselves to slashdot. It is inevitable in the beginning; but I'm looking forward to a time when /. will be borrowing ideas from here!
http://dunne.home.dhs.org/
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Re: The Great Experiment (none / 0) (#20)
by Paul Dunne on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 03:32:30 PM EST

> Hilarious -- two of the latest stories on Slashdot have already been
> posted here (the Knuth interview and the "Internet isolation" one).

Indeed. A useful rule-of-thumb for story moderation might be: wait a day or two, to see if it'll be posted on /.; if it pops up there, then *don't* vote for it. Yeah, alright, a bit extreme. But the /. `article' "Lonelynet" is a splendid example of what's wrong there: 81 pages and counting of personal problems (well, apart from "Jon Katz's Lonely Hearts Club thread", which was very funny). Don't they have counsellors in schools and universities any more?
http://dunne.home.dhs.org/
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Re: The Great Experiment (none / 0) (#22)
by Dast on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 08:35:47 PM EST

I have to say I really like this method of seeing stuff posted.

As far as trolls showing up, I suggest a waiting period on being able to submit/moderate stories from a new account. Unless they start coming in huge groups that should take care of most of them.

Sure it isn't perfect, but it seems like it should stop most trolls at least until the volume gets too hight.

Postings (none / 0) (#23)
by Strange Charmed One on Thu Feb 17, 2000 at 09:30:30 PM EST

There is only one drawback that I can see of your posting system- the comments that get carried across to the story thread often are comments about the thread being posted rather than about the thread itself. This will probably be olved with time but a comment of

"Oh, dear Lord, no, please, spare us."

referring to the fact that someone did not want this story about win2k posted looks mildly silly once it has been posted.

Other than that, the system appears to be working very well. Happy Holidays.
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