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Feature request: Story editing

By Philipp in News
Wed Feb 23, 2000 at 05:28:29 AM EST
Tags: Kuro5hin.org (all tags)
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I submitted two stories yesterday. In one of them I made a spelling error, in the other I would like to clarify a point. I only noticed this, after I read some comments on it. In both cases, it is not really a big deal, but I would like to be able to edit the stories.


For now, a submitted story stays for hours, maybe days in the voting queue, which is good. Comments are made and they may improve the quality of the story. Being able to incorporate them would definitely improve the quality of stories published.

Some more ideas on that: This is how "peer review" works in the sciences: You submit a paper, three reviewers read the paper, make comments and give a recommendation, if it should be published. After you get your paper back, you normaly try to incorporatre some of the suggestions, but you don't have to.

Back to kuro5hin: Besides making changes myself I might want to allow specific story editors to make fixes. Just "rusty". Or "all admins". Or "all users".

If we allow to make changes to be made on a story, after already some voting took place, there is a small chance of abuse: I might wait until I just just enough votes that I only need one more. I change the story into a bogus story "M$ ate my ballz", and vote on it with my second bogus account, pushing it over the threshold. But I guess this is just a theoretic possibility.

BTW: I know quite a bit of Perl, and could implement such editing myself. I just need a OK from you and rusty and I would do it.

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Feature request: Story editing | 20 comments (20 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Yes, and I agree with you on this.... (none / 0) (#4)
by ebunga on Mon Feb 21, 2000 at 06:40:32 PM EST

ebunga voted 1 on this story.

Yes, and I agree with you on this.

redundant... (none / 0) (#10)
by xah on Mon Feb 21, 2000 at 06:50:11 PM EST

xah voted -1 on this story.

redundant

Duplicate... (none / 0) (#14)
by Imperator on Mon Feb 21, 2000 at 07:33:32 PM EST

Imperator voted -1 on this story.

Duplicate

Good idea. Not really a good story ... (none / 0) (#1)
by rusty on Mon Feb 21, 2000 at 08:00:51 PM EST

rusty voted -1 on this story.

Good idea. Not really a good story though! :-) I'll be addressing several such things very very soon.

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Not the real rusty

This goes in scoop.kuro5hin.org, no... (none / 0) (#6)
by bmetzler on Mon Feb 21, 2000 at 09:06:05 PM EST

bmetzler voted -1 on this story.

This goes in scoop.kuro5hin.org, not the main site.
www.bmetzler.org - it's not just a personal weblog, it's so much more.

Story editing brings up the more se... (none / 0) (#7)
by Nyarlathotep on Mon Feb 21, 2000 at 09:11:47 PM EST

Nyarlathotep voted 1 on this story.

Story editing brings up the more serious issue of community editing which I have been thinking about. Sites like kuro5hin geenrate a lot of useful comments, so it would be interesting to present a system to great a document via this process. Example: First, a story is approved and people make comments. Next, the author takes the best comments and reintegrates them into the story. Finnally, the revised story is reposted to get any last comments.
Campus Crusade for Cthulhu -- it found me!

pretty nice idea ... (none / 0) (#8)
by rajivvarma on Mon Feb 21, 2000 at 09:43:41 PM EST

rajivvarma voted 1 on this story.

pretty nice idea

Rajiv Varma
Mirror of DeCSS.

I was thinking of this too. One tho... (none / 0) (#16)
by mattdm on Mon Feb 21, 2000 at 10:04:49 PM EST

mattdm voted 1 on this story.

I was thinking of this too. One thought would be: instead of making changes as the vote goes on, after a certain amount of time (number of votes?) the poster and/or admins could click on something to resubmit the story with changes. Any comments would stay but be marked as comments on the old revision, and existing votes would be either reset to zero or maybe changed to count as 1/2.

Re: I was thinking of this too. One tho... (none / 0) (#20)
by rusty on Wed Feb 23, 2000 at 12:45:35 PM EST

I'm thinking along the lines of just letting the poster decide whether or not a story should be considered a "new" version or not. As in, any submitted story may be edited by it's own author at any time. If the author is merely fixing a typo, they can leave the votes and comments as-is. If they are seriously revising their offering, perhaps in response to suggestions in the comments, they can "wipe the slate clean" and reset the score back to 0, and possibly delete the comments on the old version.

This would allow people to modify their post heavily, if they felt it was warranted, and start off with a score of 0 again, if they got marked down for something that was fixed in the edit. It would also allow people to just fix the typos, and set the topic that they forgot to choose, and stuff.

Of course, it'd also allow people to do the above-mentioned "bait and switch" manuever. But of course I can always delete stories, and soon a few of you might be able to as well. Until it becomes a problem, if ever, I'll expect you all to be above that sort of thing. :-)

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Not the real rusty
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This is a worthwhile discussion top... (none / 0) (#12)
by FlinkDelDinky on Mon Feb 21, 2000 at 10:12:58 PM EST

FlinkDelDinky voted 1 on this story.

This is a worthwhile discussion topic. However, I wouldn't be to hot on letting other people modify my story (not that I have any stories).

its called email, look into it... (none / 0) (#13)
by renec on Mon Feb 21, 2000 at 10:33:08 PM EST

renec voted -1 on this story.

its called email, look into it

Comparing the story before/after so... (none / 0) (#2)
by lachoy on Tue Feb 22, 2000 at 12:39:33 AM EST

lachoy voted 1 on this story.

Comparing the story before/after someone has changed it and creating a threshold past which the story effectively becomes 'new' might take care of the abuse issue.... I think it's definitely a good idea.
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I agree with the above - yesterday ... (none / 0) (#5)
by hattig on Tue Feb 22, 2000 at 10:00:02 AM EST

hattig voted 1 on this story.

I agree with the above - yesterday I submitted a story in the general category instead of the Technoogy category by mistake (still got put up though).

I would also like to be able to change a vote, at least from -1 to 0 or +1, because after you read other peoples comments you might change your mind. I would also like to be able to set my "Voting Comment" to score 1 instead of 0.

I'd put a "+5" on this if it was po... (none / 0) (#15)
by Pow.R Toc.H on Tue Feb 22, 2000 at 12:07:52 PM EST

Pow.R Toc.H voted 1 on this story.

I'd put a "+5" on this if it was possible. In my case, there were some recommendations I've been received from the voters. Also, I'd like to go deeper on the subject but nowadays this is only possible if I post another article. Finally, it's good to see people voluntarizing to improve kuro5hin's engine. I don't know why, but I think that at /. this is not possible... Cheers!

this peer review idea is a good one... (none / 0) (#3)
by rongen on Tue Feb 22, 2000 at 08:42:31 PM EST

rongen voted 1 on this story.

this peer review idea is a good one. maybe. I think stories should be posted in a way that stimulates discussion... The way a post is worded will do a great deal towards this... Perhaps the voting process could result in a poster being told his story is "ready to post" he then gets to edit the "read more" part but not the original post (to limit the chances of "trick" posters) Umm, see?
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I agree that directly editing the s... (none / 0) (#11)
by Perpetual Newbie on Tue Feb 22, 2000 at 11:29:37 PM EST

Perpetual Newbie voted 1 on this story.

I agree that directly editing the story itself could lead to the "M$ ate my ballz" problem. An alternate solution could be to allow the author to append an update to the end of the story a la slashdot. Then the front page should show what stories have been updated, and how many times.

Then, if we see "Update: M$ ate my ballz", we still would have the original useful story.

I think this is an excellent sugges... (none / 0) (#9)
by peter on Wed Feb 23, 2000 at 05:28:29 AM EST

peter voted 1 on this story.

I think this is an excellent suggestion, although I think some provision should be made to prevent the worst abuse. One possibility is to keep a version tree, and to split the votes (say 1:2) between the old and new version whenever a new version is created. In any one heirarchy, the version of the story with the most votes would show up by default, but the entire history of changes would be avaliable for viewing and voting on. Instead of a tree, we could keep only a linear history, but I don't feel it's right to treat old versions as unalterable once they've been edited once. And I do feel that old versions ought to be kept -- it's the mature thing to do.

And comment editing (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous Hero on Wed Feb 23, 2000 at 06:25:42 AM EST

There have been several times when on Slashdot, I wanted to go back and delete a comment I have made. Usenet and webpages have this feature. And I would have really sweated less for 2 or 3 days if I had been able to do that.

Re: And comment editing (none / 0) (#18)
by driph on Wed Feb 23, 2000 at 07:08:37 AM EST

There have been several times when on Slashdot, I wanted to go back and
delete a comment I have made. Usenet and webpages have this feature. And I
would have really sweated less for 2 or 3 days if I had been able to do that.


Heh...posting those petrified grits comments under yer real account name can be a bitch sometimes, can't it? :]
Although that is what the Preview button is for, being able to edit your posts would be nice.. although itd have to be prefaced by an "Edited at xx:xx on xx/xx/xx" or something to prevent someone from abusing it the same way stories could be abused(if comments are ranked).. Although, the editing of a top comment in a thread could lead to a domino effect of the rest of the comments under it being edited and re-edited etc etc.. In the end I think the Preview button is probably the best way to go about it. Proofread yer comments or cross your fingers and hope for the best..



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Re: And comment editing (none / 0) (#19)
by rusty on Wed Feb 23, 2000 at 12:37:02 PM EST

First of all: Yes, that's what Preview's for. I don't have too much sympathy if people don't use preview, although I have personally posted flames in the heat of the moment that I regretted later.

Secondly: If you really really want a comment removed, email me. I can delete any comment, and will usually respect the comment's author's wish to have to deleted, if they explain why. A better idea, though, would be to think about what you want to say first, so you don't regret it later. :-)

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Not the real rusty
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