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History Channel show on technological blunders

By fluffy grue in News
Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 03:46:41 PM EST
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Normally, a TV show wouldn't be apropos for this site (in fact, there isn't even a TV category), but tomorrow night (Sunday) at 8 PM EDT, the History channel will be showing a look back at collossal technological blunders - including our favorite conversation piece, the Tacoma Narrows Bridge. Check local listings for showtimes.


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History Channel show on technological blunders | 34 comments (34 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
How can this not be a good article ... (2.50 / 4) (#15)
by jetpack on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 12:37:04 AM EST

jetpack voted 1 on this story.

How can this not be a good article for this site.

And I agree, there should be a "TV" or "media" category for this sort of thing. Both for announcement of the event and for post-event discussion.

BTW, we also need a preview option for these vote comments. I can never remember if I should be putting html tags in here or not :P
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/* The beatings will continue until morale improves */

Re: How can this not be a good article ... (none / 0) (#25)
by skim123 on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 10:08:43 PM EST

I agree, there should be a "TV" or "media" category for this sort of thing. Both for announcement of the event and for post-event discussion

Me too! Add a TV category!

Money is in some respects like fire; it is a very excellent servant but a terrible master.
PT Barnum


[ Parent ]
Looks kind of interesting too bad I... (1.00 / 1) (#10)
by zforce on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 01:37:40 AM EST

zforce voted 1 on this story.

Looks kind of interesting too bad I don't get the History channel.

Yay! Now everyone can watch the sho... (1.00 / 1) (#1)
by rusty on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 01:39:35 AM EST

rusty voted 1 on this story.

Yay! Now everyone can watch the show and stop asking me. :-)

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Shame we dont get the channel here ... (1.00 / 1) (#12)
by CyberPuppet on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 01:50:34 AM EST

CyberPuppet voted 0 on this story.

Shame we dont get the channel here in Australia.
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The Teenage Computer Network

This is so incredibly inappropriate... (3.00 / 5) (#5)
by Velian on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 02:10:31 AM EST

Velian voted -1 on this story.

This is so incredibly inappropriate for here. I can't even begin to describe how much it doesn't belong here.

Put it as the topic in an IRC channel or e-mail some buddies about it. Make a post about it in a forum.

Cool! I've only seen a lil info her... (1.00 / 1) (#2)
by driph on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 04:49:42 AM EST

Driph voted 1 on this story.

Cool! I've only seen a lil info here and there on the bridge... This will be good to see...

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History Channel rocks...if you have... (1.00 / 1) (#8)
by buzzbomb on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 06:47:44 AM EST

buzzbomb voted 1 on this story.

History Channel rocks...if you have it and don't watch it, you're missing out!

errors are the most valuable source... (2.00 / 1) (#14)
by cavok on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 09:11:18 AM EST

cavok voted -1 on this story.

errors are the most valuable source one can gain knowledge from, maybe someone browsing kuro5hin could be interested in it but i don't think this is the right place for this stuff. still not anyone can look for the "History channel" around the world. definitively it is not a good idea to publish that here.
-= cavok =-

I have seen this show and it was ve... (1.00 / 1) (#6)
by scorpion on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 09:39:20 AM EST

scorpion voted 1 on this story.

I have seen this show and it was very interesting. Fun to see the bridge go down and find out why :-)

It probably would be a good show, b... (1.00 / 1) (#9)
by psicE on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 09:40:09 AM EST

psicE voted -1 on this story.

It probably would be a good show, but I couldn't bear the thought of setting my eyes on a TV (I wish I didn't own one, actually).

It seem that this channel is only a... (1.00 / 1) (#16)
by GeeJay on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 10:20:21 AM EST

GeeJay voted -1 on this story.

It seem that this channel is only aired locally

Content? Where?... (1.00 / 1) (#4)
by alisdair on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 10:27:54 AM EST

alisdair voted -1 on this story.

Content? Where?

Keep in mind that not all readers o... (2.80 / 4) (#7)
by inspire on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 10:47:58 AM EST

inspire voted 0 on this story.

Keep in mind that not all readers of the site are from the US, or have cable TV :)
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What is the helix?

Dis is gud, ya... if there's anythi... (2.00 / 1) (#11)
by StatGrape on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 01:18:28 PM EST

StatGrape voted 1 on this story.

Dis is gud, ya... if there's anything more entertaining than poorly designed technical marvels falling down or remarkably expensive projects that have no hope of working as planned, I certainly haven't found it.

But, is it worth adding the History Channel to my cable package specifically for this show? Nah.

NerdPerfect

That damn bridge is too funny..... (1.00 / 1) (#17)
by stardot8 on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 01:31:35 PM EST

stardot8 voted 1 on this story.

That damn bridge is too funny..
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Re: That damn bridge is too funny..... (none / 0) (#23)
by Anonymous Hero on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 09:13:24 PM EST

True enough...shame about Tubby the dog, though.


[ Parent ]
finally, something on TV worth watc... (1.00 / 1) (#13)
by Inferno on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 02:26:03 PM EST

Inferno voted 1 on this story.

finally, something on TV worth watching.

Television programming like this ju... (2.00 / 1) (#3)
by Alorelith on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 02:56:32 PM EST

Alorelith voted 1 on this story.

Television programming like this just goes to show that the best channels on TV are the ones that do documentaries (such as History Channel, The Learning Channel, Discovery, A&E, etc..). I'm sick of all the sitcoms and boring heart felt romance crap, gimme knowledge!

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Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies. -- Nietzsche

Re: History Channel show on technological blunders (2.00 / 2) (#18)
by henrik on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 04:26:37 PM EST

1) I don't live in the US 2) I dont have cable 3) I don't even own a TV.
Maybe i should rethink all those choices - now that i heard there's acctually possible to find intelligence on the airwaves ? ;)

-henrik

Akademiska Intresseklubben antecknar!

Re: History Channel show on technological blunders (3.00 / 1) (#20)
by rusty on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 05:37:10 PM EST

Despite popular opinion, there *are* channels worth watching on American TV! History channel (when it's not masquerading as the WWII channel), A&E (Biography rocks), Discovery always has a good show on ("Raising the Wolly Mammoth", "Walking with Dinosaurs"), Animal Planet will often feature lemurs, and who can resist lemurs? Then there's the occasional PBS gem like Code Rush. All in all, I still think it's worth having a TV. And if I didn't have a TV, I couldn't have watched eXistenZ ("little e, big X, big Z") last night.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Re: History Channel show on technological blunders (none / 0) (#22)
by jetpack on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 09:12:00 PM EST

You mentioned a few shows I hadnt heard of before that sound rather
interesting.  I think this is another good argument for having a section
devoted to tv and radio programming.  And of course, non-north-american shows
can be listed too :)

BTW,  as it turns out, the History Channel show is not about technological
blunders, but merely, historical blunders.  It's not nearly as interesting as
it sounds.  Yes, the bridge incident is on one of the shows, but most of the
other episodes being shown seem rather less than "technological blunders", more
like "Humans being idiots in a big way".  Not saying it's your fault that this
got posted, just pointing it out for others that might not want to waste their
time on this particular show.  (it's moderatly interesting, but not really
relevant to K5, as it turns out - the original submitter was a bit bit
misinformed, if not ingenuous)

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[ Parent ]
Re: History Channel show on technological blunders (none / 0) (#28)
by fluffy grue on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 11:13:12 PM EST

Just misinformed. Sorry about that. I honestly thought it was on technological disasters, and I ended up missing the one technological disaster, the whole reason it got posted to begin with. :/
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[ Parent ]

Re: History Channel show on technological blunders (none / 0) (#29)
by skim123 on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 11:52:59 PM EST

Make a TV topic group! :)

I don't own a TV, but when there's good stuff, I make it a point to visit a friend who has one. Since I don't have a TV, I don't regularly check the listings, so it would be nice to be informed of when a cool program was about to come on.

Money is in some respects like fire; it is a very excellent servant but a terrible master.
PT Barnum


[ Parent ]
competing theories on the collapse (4.00 / 4) (#19)
by xah on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 05:19:38 PM EST

An interesting paper by an engineer on this subject is here. Apparently physicists say the bridge collapsed due to resonance, while engineers say it was the bridge's structure itself that was the cause. Neither side has yet convinced the other.

Re: competing theories on the collapse (none / 0) (#21)
by SPUI on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 06:34:51 PM EST

Maybe they should build another to test it out.

[ Parent ]
Re: competing theories on the collapse (none / 0) (#33)
by Commienst on Mon Apr 24, 2000 at 03:45:22 AM EST

The bridge cost $3 million to build and that was back in the 1930s. A supsension bridge costs few hundred million dollars nowadays. It is safe to say no one would build a bridge just to see why Tacoma Narrows Collapsed. They already are pretty sure it was wind and the poor aerdynamics of the bridge that led to disaster.

[ Parent ]
Re: competing theories on the collapse (none / 0) (#24)
by joeyo on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 09:21:38 PM EST

There was a brief section about the bridge disaster in my differential equations textbook (which sadly, I can not find right now). The book's authors were leaning towards the theory that resonance was NOT the cause.

I don't remember all the arguments but one was the fact that it's exceedingly unlikely that you would get wind at just the right frequency for any appreciable length of time. A pretty good case was made for the bridge acting in a chaotic fashion...

There was also a diagram which showed a design that would add stability to a suspension bridge. It looked like a regular suspension bridge on top of an upside down suspension bridge. (Think of the Cisco logo flipped over a horizontal plane of symmetry)

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Re: competing theories on the collapse (3.30 / 3) (#26)
by xah on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 10:25:39 PM EST

Remember. Never go on a bridge that's swaying back and forth like (WARNING: MPEG and Quicktime links ahead) this.

Okay, just to prove that I have too much time on my hands, I will prove that the bridge wasn't swaying quite that fast. Check out this Quicktime movie, with the orginal music, with swaying that is noticeably slower, and yet weirdly fast for a bridge. According to that engineering article I linked to earlier, it would be physically possible to stand on the bridge (even drive on it) during many such oscillations, but most ordinary humans wouldn't venture onto such a bridge. Leave that for the Indiana Jones wannabees, I guess.

BTW, the nickname for the bridge is the "Galloping Gertie," and apparently the bridge that replaced it (and still stands today) is still called that.

I don't have cable. How was the show?

[ Parent ]

hey! (3.00 / 1) (#31)
by rusty on Mon Apr 24, 2000 at 01:10:38 AM EST

It's pretty cool how prominently the word Scoop is featured at the beginning of that MPG clip. :-) I'd never seen that before (well, I've seen the footage-- it used to be on Mtv promos in the 80's, but not that clip w/titles).

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
What I learned (1.00 / 1) (#27)
by fluffy grue on Sun Apr 23, 2000 at 11:10:28 PM EST

I learned a number of things from this show.

  1. Remember to watch shows you're looking forward to - I missed the first hour, meaning I missed the whole point to posting the article :)
  2. Don't trust any project the British Government is worth more than $3 million
  3. Luxury doesn't sell
  4. People don't like being reminded of shows on channels they don't get
:)
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"Is not a quine" is not a quine.
I have a master's degree in science!

[ Hug Your Trikuare ]

Re: History Channel show on technological blunders (3.00 / 1) (#30)
by Anonymous Hero on Mon Apr 24, 2000 at 12:02:05 AM EST

Does anyone have a video of the bridge?

Scroll down a bit (none / 0) (#32)
by rusty on Mon Apr 24, 2000 at 01:14:03 AM EST

There's a couple here.

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[ Parent ]
Re: History Channel show on technological blunders (none / 0) (#34)
by Paul Dunne on Mon Apr 24, 2000 at 12:20:54 PM EST

TV sucks. Just say no.
http://dunne.home.dhs.org/
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