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Chuck D on Napster

By heinzkeinz in News
Mon May 01, 2000 at 09:22:44 AM EST
Tags: Music (all tags)
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Chuck D of Public Enemy has an op-ed piece in today's NY Times, where he explains his support of Napster. He attacks the record companies' exploitative attitudes and practices, and suggests that Napster is laying the groundwork for a new, artist-run medium. Hear, hear!

Update [2000-5-1 13:1:43 by rusty]: Ok, lengthy offtopic rant about the New York Times has been removed. Please see the unedited essay by Mr. D on publicenemy.com. (Thanks to jetpack for the link)


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Chuck D on Napster | 30 comments (30 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Wow. I don't listen to his music, ... (3.00 / 1) (#16)
by kovacsp on Sat Apr 29, 2000 at 08:40:58 PM EST

kovacsp voted 1 on this story.

Wow. I don't listen to his music, but I must say, he's definitely got it together.

When the Voice of Power speaks, peo... (4.00 / 1) (#1)
by rusty on Sat Apr 29, 2000 at 09:17:45 PM EST

rusty voted 1 on this story.

When the Voice of Power speaks, people should listen. And BTW, cypherpunks/cypherpunks still works for the login.

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http://www.nytimes.com/00/04/29/ope... (1.00 / 1) (#3)
by del on Sat Apr 29, 2000 at 09:29:27 PM EST

del voted 1 on this story.

http://www.nytimes.com/00/04/29/oped/29chuc.html
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The URL is broken - but at least it... (1.00 / 1) (#17)
by SPUI on Sat Apr 29, 2000 at 10:57:11 PM EST

SPUI voted 0 on this story.

The URL is broken - but at least it doesnt go to goatse.cx :P

The link doesn't work.... (1.00 / 1) (#12)
by r[o]b on Sun Apr 30, 2000 at 12:15:00 AM EST

r[o]b voted -1 on this story.

The link doesn't work.

Whoo ha!... (1.00 / 1) (#9)
by evro on Sun Apr 30, 2000 at 12:25:59 AM EST

evro voted 1 on this story.

Whoo ha!
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No registration is required if you ... (5.00 / 1) (#6)
by [Gold] on Sun Apr 30, 2000 at 01:37:31 AM EST

[Gold] voted 1 on this story.

No registration is required if you change "www" to "partners".
http://partners.nytimes.com/00/04/29/oped/29chuc.html

Ugh, NY Times. Any site that requi... (1.00 / 1) (#8)
by skim123 on Sun Apr 30, 2000 at 02:00:32 AM EST

skim123 voted -1 on this story.

Ugh, NY Times. Any site that requires a login... I wish slashdot wouldn't link to them so often...

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use the url http://partners.nytimes... (2.00 / 1) (#22)
by shonson on Sun Apr 30, 2000 at 02:24:59 AM EST

shonson voted 1 on this story.

use the url http://partners.nytimes.com/00/04/29/oped/29chuc.html to get to the story without needing a login
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Yay! Perhaps there is hope. I won... (4.00 / 1) (#19)
by Fyndalf on Sun Apr 30, 2000 at 05:15:48 AM EST

Fyndalf voted 1 on this story.

Yay! Perhaps there is hope. I wonder if this will cause any small bands to think twice about signing their souls over to a label?

I think the NYtimes just wants more... (1.00 / 1) (#2)
by rongen on Sun Apr 30, 2000 at 08:50:24 AM EST

rongen voted 0 on this story.

I think the NYtimes just wants more demographic data... But they have a right to apply restrictions, just as we have a right (power?) to not go there... And I don't.

That said I would like to see this interview, but am not willing to start a NYT account. Can someone "quote" some relevant passages on a temporary webpage somewhere? That would be much appreciated.

But only of it can be done with a clean concience. I have a feeling CD wouldn't mind as long as you didn't misrepresent his ideas. Also, I am voting zero because I can't actually see the article...
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Re: I think the NYtimes just wants more... (none / 0) (#27)
by rongen on Mon May 01, 2000 at 02:55:47 PM EST

Yup, I am replying to my own comment! :)

What's up with the parteners thing? I had no idea you could access the NYT like this... Maybe I am a dullard. How long has this been possible? :)

WRT the story: I really like what Chuck D has to say. It's not like CD sales have been plummeting lately or something. MP3s are a great way for people to hear a new sound or genre that they may not otherwise be exposed to.

Many of my friends have purchased CDs having heard the artist for the first time on an MP3. For example, it's not like DJ Shadow gets a great deal of radio or club time in my city (as far as I know), so MP3s may be the only way I get to hear much of this stuff. The traditional ways of hearing new music don't always work for me: I don't go out much, and my musical tastes include stuff my friends don't listen to. Does this mean I should go buy a CD on the off chance I might like one of the songs having heard part of a song on Much Music or in a movie? Now it's also true that I could go to a CD store and listen on some headphones to a CD and decide if I want to buy that CD. However, this encourages the impulse buy which I feel responsible people (especially students like myself) shoudl steer clear of.

This issue has been beaten to death but I just wanted to assert that it is possible to want MP3s to be available, without wanting "all music to be free".
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Fight the power!... (1.00 / 1) (#23)
by deimos on Sun Apr 30, 2000 at 10:28:59 AM EST

deimos voted 1 on this story.

Fight the power!
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The new york times thing has always... (1.00 / 1) (#24)
by flamingcow on Sun Apr 30, 2000 at 12:01:55 PM EST

flamingcow voted -1 on this story.

The new york times thing has always annoyed me.

http://partners.nytimes.com/00/04/2... (2.00 / 1) (#7)
by Imperator on Sun Apr 30, 2000 at 12:42:40 PM EST

Imperator voted 1 on this story.

http://partners.nytimes.com/00/04/29/oped/29chuc.html

I thought everyone knew that if you s/www.nytimes.com/partners.nytimes.com/, you can avoid the login requirements.

balanced piece, although i'm beginn... (3.00 / 1) (#4)
by ramses0 on Sun Apr 30, 2000 at 12:47:16 PM EST

ramses0 voted 1 on this story.

balanced piece, although i'm beginning to think napster is the porn of the 90's for the internet ;^)=
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I don't care what Rusty says, I'm v... (1.00 / 1) (#10)
by fluffy grue on Sun Apr 30, 2000 at 12:54:33 PM EST

fluffy grue voted 1 on this story.

I don't care what Rusty says, I'm voting this up anyway. ;) Maybe for this site, it'd be better to wait until the article's already been pumpkined so that we can just post the archive URL instead.
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Chuck has a point, one which I thin... (5.00 / 1) (#14)
by warpeightbot on Sun Apr 30, 2000 at 01:16:48 PM EST

warpeightbot voted 1 on this story.

Chuck has a point, one which I think we need to thrash out. The record industry fat-cats are having a field day on new young talent, and most of the rest of the media is going along with it. There are still a few houses around that will press your CD for cheap, but they're taking a lot of pressure.... so folks are resorting to the Internet to get the music out. Good on'em.

getting sick of this mp3 nonsense.... (1.00 / 1) (#20)
by thelaw on Sun Apr 30, 2000 at 04:36:28 PM EST

thelaw voted -1 on this story.

getting sick of this mp3 nonsense.

Chuck's old school wisdom should be... (4.00 / 1) (#5)
by Demona on Sun Apr 30, 2000 at 05:52:27 PM EST

Demona voted 1 on this story.

Chuck's old school wisdom should be a real wake up call to his fellow musicians. BTW, I have no idea why Slashdot still won't use "partners.nytimes.com" instead of www -- they must realize by now how much it annoys people, and they are supposedly -- or used to be? -- the kind of guys who also get annoyed at people who try to be clever on the web (and only end up revealing their ignorance or malevolence).

Metacomment: The NY Times is an old... (1.00 / 1) (#11)
by eann on Sun Apr 30, 2000 at 07:51:32 PM EST

eann voted 1 on this story.

Metacomment: The NY Times is an old media company that doesn't quite get it yet. Sad to say, though, they're doing better than some. I'm not going to vote against this just because it ran in the Times. Chuck D picked a major media outlet that would get to both listeners and music company execs.

But I do agree with Rusty that this should have had a better write-up summarizing Chuck D's views, and encouraging some discussion. As it is, this really just feels like preaching to the choir--does anyone here actually think Napster is a bad thing?

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Even though rusty doesn't like nyti... (3.00 / 1) (#18)
by cgray on Sun Apr 30, 2000 at 09:38:26 PM EST

cgray voted 1 on this story.

Even though rusty doesn't like nytimes, I think that this story should be read. It makes me want to go out and buy some of Chuck D's records, just to support him.

Re: Even though rusty doesn't like nyti... (none / 0) (#28)
by mledet on Mon May 01, 2000 at 05:22:04 PM EST

If you really want to support HIM, download his music via napster and send him a check directly.

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Re: Even though rusty doesn't like nyti... (none / 0) (#29)
by cgray on Mon May 01, 2000 at 09:19:31 PM EST

Good point. In fact, I do have one public enemy mp3. Maybe I'll get a few more, consider the amount I have an album and send him that cheque.

[ Parent ]
Buh-bye... It's been beaten to deat... (1.00 / 1) (#15)
by StatGrape on Mon May 01, 2000 at 01:03:45 AM EST

StatGrape voted -1 on this story.

Buh-bye... It's been beaten to death.

NerdPerfect

I can see it. Wish others Could.... (1.00 / 1) (#21)
by Saint Zero on Mon May 01, 2000 at 03:59:25 AM EST

Saint Zero voted 1 on this story.

I can see it. Wish others Could.
---------- Patron Saint of Nothing, really.

When dealing with such sites, maybe... (1.00 / 1) (#13)
by marlowe on Mon May 01, 2000 at 09:22:44 AM EST

marlowe voted 1 on this story.

When dealing with such sites, maybe we could post a relevant excerpt? Try to stay within fair usage, of course. This way at least a paragraph or so of the the story will have some permanence, by virtue of existing on Kuro5hin.
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get the unedited version (5.00 / 1) (#25)
by jetpack on Mon May 01, 2000 at 12:26:39 PM EST

The unedited version of that article can be found elsewhere.


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NYTimes (none / 0) (#26)
by xah on Mon May 01, 2000 at 12:50:15 PM EST

HTTP'ing to partners.nytimes.com does not require authentication or an ID. Search /. for more on this.

publicenemy.com - feedback? (none / 0) (#30)
by zotz on Tue May 02, 2000 at 08:38:11 AM EST

Did anyone who went to publicenemy.com see a link for feedback of some kind? Perhaps I was up too late and it is stareing me in the face, but I see no email links, no fill in forms, no way to send feedback to ChuckD on his writings.

Seems a bit odd to me if it is indeed not there...


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